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[villager]

1. "The U.S. military can use Snowden, Greenwald, and Miranda as pinatas for all I care."

And thus, the MIC has you right where they want you.

[PowerToThePeople]

2. He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. n/t

Or originally,

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

[ret5hd]

3. You're not very good at this.

[TBF]

5. +1 nt

[Aerows]

36. +2

[Union Scribe]

48. +3

[Katashi_itto]

52. +4

[AnotherMcIntosh]

54. +5

[silvershadow]

55. +6. nt.

[QC]

58. +7

[ileus]

61. +8

[WorseBeforeBetter]

62. +9

[Puzzledtraveller]

4. This is a good one!

[XemaSab]

6. Yeah, why should we waste time worrying about bullshit like

THE BILL OF RIGHTS?

[uponit7771]

15. Yeah, ALL OF it not just the 2nd and the 4th

[Aerows]

39. I guess that is anathema

when Obama is in the White House. Toss the first amendment in there, too, because that doesn't seem very welcome, either.

[Fire Walk With Me]

7. Your appetite for apathy appears fulfilled. n/t

[uponit7771]

12. More adhominems ....sounds like a patern with the Paul righties

[Fire Walk With Me]

14. How is your reply not an ad hominem? And how is the OP not a troll? n/t

[uponit7771]

16. Pointing out facts not attacking you

[villager]

22. Attacking him, not pointing out facts

And neither attacking, or "fact" pointing particularly well, in either regard.

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. Why did you type "sounds like a patern with the Paul righties"

Are you claiming that it wasn't an attack - did your fingers slip about 20 times or something?

[Quantess]

57. You don't get to use the snappy line "pointing out facts" when no facts were pointed out.

Yes, it's an effective retort, but only when facts were actually presented.

[randome]

20. More like an appetite for triage. OP has his priorities straight. You do not.

This NSA crap isn't even on the radar for most people outside a few Internet bubbles.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[uponit7771]

8. Yeap, Most of these type of attacks are from Paulian FUDr...to even suppose the right of any

...kind owns the issues of civil liberties and rights while OVERTLY supporting the stompping of civil liberties and rights is how I can tell they're are full of shit

[Marrah_G]

9. yawn

[dkf]

10. If you can't make the government responsive to following its own constitution...

Then solving all that other stuff you want is even more of a pipe dream.

You don't get that the surveillance state is in lieu of fixing problems.

They want to make sure when you get fed up they will know who you are.

[uponit7771]

13. In all cases?! Nah, fuck it...just the 2nd and 4th....14th and 15th?! fuck em, who needs em

...and that's the reason I can tell most of this is full of shit.

They overty run over the 15th and "COULD" be running over the 4th based off what some wingers say...

right...

[MannyGoldstein]

11. Talk to the President - he's the one who

keeps insisting on mooning the Constitution and international law.

I'm not sure that it makes sense to yell at people who want our laws to be followed.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

17. I agree to the extent that Obama shouldn't have made his Presidency about spying.

He's the person who continued and expanded Bush's domestic surveillance program. He didn't have to. He owns this problem, this problem that trumps politics for many of us. I don't care what the President's legislative priorities are right now, not when we need to put a halt to business as usual while addressing this democracy-killing spying. So yes, I'm angry about the situation too, but not in the same way you are.

[pnwmom]

21. He didn't expand Bush's program; he cut it back in 2011. n/t

[DisgustipatedinCA]

24. No. He's expanded the programs.

[pnwmom]

27. How did he expand them? Would you be specific about that? n/t

[uponit7771]

31. [SnowGlen affiliated link from somewhere sayin some bullshit]

[DisgustipatedinCA]

46. Sure.

You already know the NSA is building the largest data center in the history of data centers, and the extra space isn't for daycare. You already know about the Verizon warrant covering EVERY customer. In March of 2012, Holder expanded the warrantless portion of the spy program. It's expanding, not contracting.

[pnwmom]

56. Building a bigger data center doesn't mean anything. It could being built to anticipate future

needs, or it could represent a centralization of numerous centers that already existed.

Metadata was already collected on all phone calls during the Bush administration, which was also engaged in warrantless wiretapping against US citizens. Bush was forced to end warrantless wiretapping against US citizens in 2008 and Holder hasn't expanded it. Since 2008 warrantless wiretapping has targeted foreign citizens, not US citizens.

[The Link]

18. "The U.S. military can use Snowden, Greenwald, and Miranda as pinatas for all I care."

"lose any credibility as liberals"

[JVS]

33. +1

[msanthrope]

19. I suppose it's better than a blue dress, but not by much. nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

23. Thank you for your concern (nt)

[Little Star]

26. Oh brother. Your just too obvious. You took a left not a right turn & ended up in the wrong place.

[Capt. Obvious]

28. Not me. It's all about his new dog.

[NuclearDem]

29. Yes, we're well aware of the actions of the GOP in slaughtering voter rights

And the actions of the NRA in blocking gun legislation. And the actions of the conservative assault on women's rights.

But if the president, a member of our own damn party, can get away with continuing the same Bushian surveillance state bullshit, and we disregard that in favor of focusing on how ebul the GOP is, then we lose all credibility as liberals and simply become team players.

[KittyWampus]

30. There's a specific reason Assange/Greenwald are doing this. It's why spotlighting their agenda

pisses off so many of their kneejerk followers who refuse to really look into their behavior.

[Aerows]

45. It *shows* up too many people with agendas

and that is really where the anger comes in. Normal people think spying is wrong, and needs to be curtailed. The handful of people that believe in the surveillance state get their panties in a bunch when scrutiny is directed at them.

Which is ironic. "Don't watch me watching everyone else, or I'll be a victim."

[Matariki]

32. Everyone should be concerned and try to take action

when their government is heading down a dark path. Before it becomes too late to take action.

There are things FAR more important than party politics. Far more important sometimes than our own personal comfort.

As far as Obama's second term legacy being 'about' the NSA - well he could change that. He could do the right thing regarding the NSA, the Fourth Amendment, drone killings, etc.

[FirstLight]

60. +10000

Yes, exactly.

I am pissed about the economy and other things....but the Surveillance State should be the first issue, otherwise all other freedoms for activism and shift are gone. And yes, our dear, perfect, POTUS could have done more regarding Gitmo, drones, and the loss of civil liberties...(oh, and calling in the DHS to thwart Occupy). Instead, he speaks to us as if we are children, telling us "I'm not spying on you, but it is for your own good"

[snappyturtle]

34. I can multi-task. nt

[kentuck]

35. Short-sighted

....and undeveloped argument.

[uponit7771]

37. This "scandal" ..... too .............................shall past

[quinnox]

38. Meh, take a hike

[leftstreet]

40. 'Brazilian prick?' Fuck off n/t

[Autumn]

41. Excellent name. It suites you well.

Welcome to DU.

Apathy (also called impassivity or perfunctoriness) is a state of indifference, or the suppression of emotions such as concern, excitement, motivation and passion. An apathetic individual has an absence of interest in or concern about emotional, social, spiritual, philosophical and/or physical life.
They may lack a sense of purpose or meaning in their life. An apathetic person may also exhibit insensibility or sluggishness.

In positive psychology, apathy is described as a result of the individual feeling they do not possess the level of skill required to confront a challenge (i.e. "Flow&quot .

It may also be a result of perceiving no challenge at all (e.g. the challenge is irrelevant to them, or conversely, they have learned helplessness)

the rec list is priceless

[marions ghost]

42. LOL

[corkhead]

43. Enjoy your visit. Be sure to exit through the gift shop.

[Th1onein]

44. If the shoe fits, wear it.

I am not going to throw away my Fourth Amendment rights in order to win a fucking election. I'm not going to see a Republican in office, using these Draconian powers against us, without having done all that I can do to see to it that NOONE has these kinds of powers.

[cthulu2016]

47. You joined DU on Saturday to share this bursting boil of animus?

Cool.

[bowens43]

49. So how do you decide which important issue you will ignore?

As a long standing member of 4 days please share your wisdom....why is it that you 'honestly do not give a fuck' about the 1st and 4th amendments' ?

[cthulu2016]

50. "if not caring enough about this issue makes us lose any credibility as liberals"

Try, "as human beings."

[mick063]

51. Forgetting the NSA for a moment

The list of accomplishments is vast.

For the financial moguls.

[sagat]

53. +1

Fuck Ron Paul.

[AZ Progressive]

59. This is NOT just about the NSA but the US Government subverting the Constitution, Democracy...

and adopting Fascism.

The NSA is a tool that can be used (and who knows, probably already is used) to make sure the Government can continue to protect the 1% and itself from the 99%, as well as protect the developing fascism in this country. The only democracy we have is a smoke and mirrors democracy. Seriously, a lot of people in this country don't like or don't agree with the foundation of America and would want America to be reshaped to their desire.