Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:05 PM

WillyT (72,631 posts)

Serious Question... (And I'm Gonna Take Hell For This) What If....

Obama got out in front of the NSA story by publicly joining Leahy and Wyden for hearings to "fix" the NSA/Patriot Act.

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19 replies	Author	Time	Post
Serious Question... (And I'm Gonna Take Hell For This) What If.... (Original post)	WillyT	Aug 2013	OP
He already stated his willingness for a public advocate, but	JaneyVee	Aug 2013	#1
Of course he would get "credit" for it.	MNBrewer	Aug 2013	#3
4 years to go. Enjoy!	JaneyVee	Aug 2013	#7
4 Years To Go... Hmmm... What Then ???	WillyT	Aug 2013	#17
Ya Can't Fix It In Secret... And... He's Already Said He "Welcomes The Debate"...	WillyT	Aug 2013	#5
Obama has zero credibility on this issue	davidn3600	Aug 2013	#8
Unfortunately neither does Greenwald. It's too bad such a flawed messenger got involved.	KittyWampus	Aug 2013	#11
Didn't take long	Andy823	Aug 2013	#14
well then fuck it ...	GeorgeGist	Aug 2013	#19
Too late. He already said there's no spying on Americans	leftstreet	Aug 2013	#2
yeah, that really sealed it	burnodo	Aug 2013	#4
And, invite the ACLU and Daniel Ellsberg to testify.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2013	#6
I Know... The Hope Burns...	WillyT	Aug 2013	#9
Since there is no wide-spread spying upon Americans, why should he want to "fix" it?	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2013	#10
Ya Know...	WillyT	Aug 2013	#16
He has made it difficult for himself to be sure!	Vinnie From Indy	Aug 2013	#12
What if we had a president who WANTED to do that?	FiveGoodMen	Aug 2013	#13
Didn't Obama just call for warrantless wiretaps of cell phone communications? n/t	Fire Walk With Me	Aug 2013	#15
Yeah... There Is That...	WillyT	Aug 2013	#18

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:07 PM

JaneyVee (19,877 posts)

1. He already stated his willingness for a public advocate, but

Even if he fixes this problem which is 40yrs old he will get zero credit for it.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:08 PM

MNBrewer (8,462 posts)

3. Of course he would get "credit" for it.

But he won't do it.... and for that he deserves credit for NOT fixing it.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:14 PM

JaneyVee (19,877 posts)

7. 4 years to go. Enjoy!

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #7)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 08:06 PM

WillyT (72,631 posts)

17. 4 Years To Go... Hmmm... What Then ???

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:10 PM

WillyT (72,631 posts)

5. Ya Can't Fix It In Secret... And... He's Already Said He "Welcomes The Debate"...

So join those who do, in a very public way, and provide whatever is necessary, and I'll sure as hell give him credit.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:17 PM

davidn3600 (6,342 posts)

8. Obama has zero credibility on this issue

He came out and claimed the NSA is not spying on Americans. That's a lie. Everyone knows that is a lie. So he's lost all credibility on this.

Obama, Clapper, Alexander, and Feinstein have lied.

Im sorry but I dont trust a damn thing any of those 4 say concerning the NSA or concerning the intelligence apparatus of this nation. And it's not about national security. It is AGAINST THE LAW and against regulation and against the 4th amendment for the NSA to be spying on American citizens on American soil. PERIOD! There is no excuses! It's not the job of the NSA to spy on us! That's illegal!

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:21 PM

KittyWampus (55,894 posts)

11. Unfortunately neither does Greenwald. It's too bad such a flawed messenger got involved.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:42 PM

Andy823 (11,455 posts)

14. Didn't take long

For all the nay sayers to show up. I think they have just proved your point!

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 09:25 PM

GeorgeGist (24,612 posts)

19. well then fuck it ...

credit is everything!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:07 PM

leftstreet (34,526 posts)

2. Too late. He already said there's no spying on Americans

Obama To Leno: 'There Is No Spying On Americans'

by Greg Henderson
August 07, 201312:44 AM

President Obama defended the US government's surveillance program, telling NBC's Jay Leno on Tuesday that: "There is no spying on Americans."

"We don't have a domestic spying program," Obama said on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. "What we do have is some mechanisms that can track a phone number or an email address that is connected to a terrorist attack. ... That information is useful."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/08/06/209692380/obama-to-leno-there-is-no-spying-on-americans

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:09 PM

burnodo (2,017 posts)

4. yeah, that really sealed it

Obama was NOT interested in a real debate about this issue

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:13 PM

Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)

6. And, invite the ACLU and Daniel Ellsberg to testify.

Nah.....that would indicate he was actually serious about a "debate".

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:17 PM

WillyT (72,631 posts)

9. I Know... The Hope Burns...

I'd invite EVERYODY... show the world we ARE ALL THAT...

And that we made a mistake, and we're making a course correction.

Sorry... I'm a Skeptical Optimist.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:19 PM

AnotherMcIntosh (11,064 posts)

10. Since there is no wide-spread spying upon Americans, why should he want to "fix" it?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #10)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 08:03 PM

WillyT (72,631 posts)

16. Ya Know...

That's always been the real question for me.

Pick the most obscure non-political nation...

Luxemberg... Tahiti...

What would WE do if we found out that THEY were monitoring us ?

Yet... WE... Have no problem doing it to the ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:21 PM

Vinnie From Indy (10,800 posts)

12. He has made it difficult for himself to be sure!

I have a difficult time trying to think of an event that would give him the cover he needs to backtrack on his "Americans are not being spied on" remark. He didn't give himself much wiggle room for later action. And, that is all supposing he even considers a serious review and reform of the NSA is needed.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:23 PM

FiveGoodMen (20,018 posts)