Serious Question... (And I'm Gonna Take Hell For This) What If....

[WillyT]

Obama got out in front of the NSA story by publicly joining Leahy and Wyden for hearings to "fix" the NSA/Patriot Act.

[JaneyVee]

1. He already stated his willingness for a public advocate, but

Even if he fixes this problem which is 40yrs old he will get zero credit for it.

[MNBrewer]

3. Of course he would get "credit" for it.

But he won't do it.... and for that he deserves credit for NOT fixing it.

[JaneyVee]

7. 4 years to go. Enjoy!

[WillyT]

17. 4 Years To Go... Hmmm... What Then ???

[WillyT]

5. Ya Can't Fix It In Secret... And... He's Already Said He "Welcomes The Debate"...

So join those who do, in a very public way, and provide whatever is necessary, and I'll sure as hell give him credit.

[davidn3600]

8. Obama has zero credibility on this issue

He came out and claimed the NSA is not spying on Americans. That's a lie. Everyone knows that is a lie. So he's lost all credibility on this.

Obama, Clapper, Alexander, and Feinstein have lied.

Im sorry but I dont trust a damn thing any of those 4 say concerning the NSA or concerning the intelligence apparatus of this nation. And it's not about national security. It is AGAINST THE LAW and against regulation and against the 4th amendment for the NSA to be spying on American citizens on American soil. PERIOD! There is no excuses! It's not the job of the NSA to spy on us! That's illegal!

[KittyWampus]

11. Unfortunately neither does Greenwald. It's too bad such a flawed messenger got involved.

[Andy823]

14. Didn't take long

For all the nay sayers to show up. I think they have just proved your point!

[GeorgeGist]

19. well then fuck it ...

credit is everything!

[leftstreet]

2. Too late. He already said there's no spying on Americans

Obama To Leno: 'There Is No Spying On Americans'

by Greg Henderson
August 07, 201312:44 AM


President Obama defended the US government's surveillance program, telling NBC's Jay Leno on Tuesday that: "There is no spying on Americans."

"We don't have a domestic spying program," Obama said on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. "What we do have is some mechanisms that can track a phone number or an email address that is connected to a terrorist attack. ... That information is useful."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/08/06/209692380/obama-to-leno-there-is-no-spying-on-americans

[burnodo]

4. yeah, that really sealed it

Obama was NOT interested in a real debate about this issue

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. And, invite the ACLU and Daniel Ellsberg to testify.

Nah.....that would indicate he was actually serious about a "debate".

[WillyT]

9. I Know... The Hope Burns...

I'd invite EVERYODY... show the world we ARE ALL THAT...

And that we made a mistake, and we're making a course correction.

Sorry... I'm a Skeptical Optimist.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

10. Since there is no wide-spread spying upon Americans, why should he want to "fix" it?

[WillyT]

16. Ya Know...

That's always been the real question for me.

Pick the most obscure non-political nation...

Luxemberg... Tahiti...

What would WE do if we found out that THEY were monitoring us ?

Yet... WE... Have no problem doing it to the ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET.

[Vinnie From Indy]

12. He has made it difficult for himself to be sure!

I have a difficult time trying to think of an event that would give him the cover he needs to backtrack on his "Americans are not being spied on" remark. He didn't give himself much wiggle room for later action. And, that is all supposing he even considers a serious review and reform of the NSA is needed.

[FiveGoodMen]

13. What if we had a president who WANTED to do that?

This one is on the other side.

[Fire Walk With Me]

15. Didn't Obama just call for warrantless wiretaps of cell phone communications? n/t

[WillyT]

18. Yeah... There Is That...