From Facebook - Alan Grayson: "I stand with Glenn Greenwald. Do you?"

[L0oniX]

https://www.facebook.com/alangrayson?ref=stream

ref: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald-guardian-partner-detained-heathrow

I'm sure you all know about this but wanted give some here the chance to throw Alan Grayson under the buss ...oh come one now ...we know you want to ...doncha!

Well I won't join you! You are welcome to your republiDem Stasi state modus apparatus with all its obsessive compulsive shills.

Oh yea ...YAWN ...another story from Democracy Now about the UK Stasi destroying hard drives at the Guardian.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/8/20/uk_media_crackdown_greenwalds_partner_detained

It's the end of journalism as we have known it ...and the end of Democracy ...as we have known it. The terrorists have won. US government bows down under its own weight of fear mongering and succumbs to the destruction of Democracy's illusion. Zombie Dem voter apocalypse ensues. How to destroy a democracy in only a few short steps ...It's so easy a fundy terrorist can do it.

[NYC_SKP]

1. I hope Alan Grayson, DU member, will chime in and kick this post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251320020

[L0oniX]

10. Kicking that post. n/t

[tridim]

2. Proof that good people are wrong sometimes.

Hey Alan.

[totodeinhere]

90. Maybe you are the good person who is wrong. n/t

[tridim]

93. I've never been wrong about ID'ing scams and scammers. Not once.

Grayson is wrong about GG.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

94. There's a first time for everything. nt

[tridim]

95. Yes, he is wrong this time, as is neo-DU. nt

[Fantastic Anarchist]

133. That made no sense.

So, you struck out in five different ways.

[HangOnKids]

136. Ah the Neo DU Strike Out

It is fucking amazing.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

143. Is that a "Neo" meme?

Indeed, fucking amazing.

[HangOnKids]

144. Well Gosh It Might Be Send It To The Neo Board For Examination!

Who knows, maybe Canada will be interested!

[rhett o rick]

112. Absolute certainty is the opposite of open-mindedness. Just sayin. nm

[totodeinhere]

115. Grayson is a far cry from a scammer. You can disagree with him and that's fine but

it's distressing to actually see somebody at DU call Alan Grayson a scammer.

[HangOnKids]

137. Is Grayson sending emails about Nigeria now?

I haven't got one but who knows?

[Blanks]

146. It looked to me like the poster was calling GG a scammer. eom

[lark]

135. Maybe you're just wrong about the privacy part?

Actually, there's no maybe in that, I was just being nice.

[mimi85]

148. Definitely agree.

We've all been wrong from time to time. I admire Alan enormously, but I think he's wrong on this one. GG is far more concerned about himself than the US or well, just about anything I can think of. If he truly cared about what was going on now, he'd be here, not shacked up in Brazil.

I have absolutely no respect for him whatsoever.

[MotherPetrie]

4. Thank you.

[enough]

5. Grayson, almost incredible from a politician in these times. Amazing.

Somebody who isn't putting re-election ahead of everything else in the universe.

[L0oniX]

7. ^^^THIS!^^^

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. So far as I know Grayson, I stand with him on this and on the TPP. n/t

[East Coast Pirate]

21. And that's why he was elected.

[ananda]

71. Yep.. a Democrat being a Democrat.

Very electable!

[railsback]

6. If you try to throw Grayson under the bus here

you get banned from those threads. You know, 'STFU, you STASI loving, Freedom hating Mao lover'.

[Little Star]

8. Alan is the sharpest tool in congress's tool shed! Love him!!!!!!

[Jackpine Radical]

9. I'll bring the bus.

It's really no trouble. I'm under here already anyway.

[roguevalley]

81. I will join you, Jackpine. I already offered an opinion on another thread about

this and will probably get blasted. the reagan generation members have no memory of what a real dem is really like.

[RC]

99. Even the Republicans of old were better Democrats than most of the current crop of Democrats.

[Summer Hathaway]

12. Excellent mixed-salad of BS talking points!

"welcome to your republiDem Stasi state modus apparatus with all its obsessive compulsive shills.

"the UK Stasi"

"the end of journalism"

"the end of Democracy"

"the terrorists have won."

"US government bows down under its own weight of fear mongering and succumbs to the destruction of Democracy's illusion"

"Zombie Dem voter apocalypse ensues."

"How to destroy a democracy in only a few short steps"

"It's so easy a fundy terrorist can do it."

I love the smell of over-the-top, paranoid hysteria - and DU is becoming the go-to site when I need a good whiff of it.

[L0oniX]

13. Well thanks for adding the salad dressing. What would we do without you? n/t

[Summer Hathaway]

15. The question is more a matter of

what would I do without the never-ending entertainment this site provides.

[L0oniX]

17. Maybe you could start your own op with your question. n/t

[Summer Hathaway]

18. I just comment on the idiocy

I don't invite discussion thereof.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

33. Hey! That's MY job!

[L0oniX]

46. I must be pissing off the assholes. Only 55 recs so far. n/t

[Fantastic Anarchist]

53. I forgot to rec!

Fixed now.

[lark]

140. Up to 177 now,

Wow, there are still some real Dems on this board and some really do care about privacy. Of course, there are still those who have blinders on and who really don't care about policy at all, it's just about the D.

[L0oniX]

145. Yea ...a D that continues what Bush started and expanded it even more.

We thought cointelpro was bad enough but apparently that was just a learning session for the Fed. They were waiting for the chance to instigate a mass surveillance Stasi state and 911 gave them that ...a sort of disaster economics on steroids.

[RetroLounge]

65. No, just derision

RL

[Number23]

70. I know! I was all set to read what Alan Grayson said and got caught up in a blizzard of nonsensical

word salad. I guess the OP didn't think Grayson's words were compelling enough so s/he decided to toss in some totally unrelated, completely unnecessary flamebait in to make it sexier.

[Summer Hathaway]

73. I have a feeling ...

just a 'feeling, mind you - that we won't be seeing a reply to this OP saying, "I'm Alan Grayson, and I approve this message!"

[Fantastic Anarchist]

14. I stand with Greenwald, too.

Of course, I was chastised earlier on this board by someone more servile to authority than I am. He told me I didn't belong on Democratic Underground.

Well, I suppose when those don't agree with your position, they just don't want you around anymore. Quite Stalinesque, actually.

[Summer Hathaway]

19. As opposed to when you don't agree with someone's position

and simply label them as "more servile to authority than you are", and implying they are being "quite Stalinesque".

Nice to see you taking the high road here ...

[Fantastic Anarchist]

25. Yes, of course I'll state my opinion.

Haven't told anyone to go elsewhere, though. There's a difference.

[L0oniX]

48. Summer Hathaway - "I don't invite discussion thereof." Ah ...that must be your "high road". n/t

[lark]

141. Your reply was the high road?

I couldn't tell.

[Summer Hathaway]

142. I simply quoted the poster's own words back to him.

They speak for themselves.

[idwiyo]

16. K&R

[Mike Nelson]

20. "Like"

...and yes!

[cantbeserious]

22. Kick And Recommend

eom

[uponit7771]

23. NO !!!

[one_voice]

24. Oh Christ...

After reading this I'm gonna just go jump off a bridge..

It's the end of journalism as we have known it ...and the end of Democracy ...as we have known it. The terrorists have won. US government bows down under its own weight of fear mongering and succumbs to the destruction of Democracy's illusion. Zombie Dem voter apocalypse ensues. How to destroy a democracy in only a few short steps ...It's so easy a fundy terrorist can do it.

[zeemike]

41. That is the problem with listing to one voice.

When you hear another one is scares you.

[one_voice]

43. If you have more than one voice

runnin' around in your head you need to get help. Seriously, it's a problem. Glad I could help.

Let me clear this up for you: I am but one voice.

[zeemike]

51. Well pleased to met you.

But I have lots of voices in my head, and it is not a problem for me...I like them there...they remind me of what is right and wrong.
Sometimes they take to song
I know it is funny
But is it all that wrong?

And this has triggered a new voice in my head....Bob Marley singing
One Love / People Get Ready

[one_voice]

56. Nice to meet you...

Good tune!

No, I was being a bit of a smart ass, about the voices.

I go over things in my head all the time. I don't have too many voices going at once that could get a bit confusing.

My comment (about jumping off the bridge) was because of how 'dark doom and gloom' that part of the OP was. Again, being a bit of a smart ass.

Music is always a good option. I think music is one of the few things that can bring people together.

[zeemike]

62. Yep, music does have that quality.

But these are dark and gloomy times...some people can point it out with no fear and others can't bear to hear it...and I sympathies with both sides.
We need to hear it but it sure does suck when we do.

[mimi85]

110. I think the eight years

that Bush was prez were dark and gloomy times. Sheesh, sounds like the classic bad opening for a bad novel. It was a dark and gloomy night. Things just aren't THAT bad.

[zeemike]

123. No I think it is more like The Tale of Two Cities.

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way – in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only"

But things ARE that bad for some....if you have no job and are on the street it is that bad....but if you have investments that bring in millions life is good, and those on the street mean nothing to you because you never see them and have law enforcement to keep them far away where they will not trouble you.

[HangOnKids]

139. Are you kidding me?

Things are quite bad.

[mimi85]

147. I try - it's hard

to think as positively as I can. I have cancer, don't know how many years left, but I try to make the best of it. I'm currently volunteering at the local library to help adults learn to read and it's a very rewarding time for me. Of course, we could be in medieval times, that might be just a tad worse. Or be black in 1925. Or a woman - well just about any time. Yes, things could be much, much worse.

[L0oniX]

104. Some can choose which of the voices in their head to listen to. Drugs can help too. n/t

[L0oniX]

54. By all means ...keep doing the same thing that fails. n/t

[one_voice]

57. No I'm not high...

are you offering?

[Whisp]

77. Who wrote that? I tried to follow the links but couldn't find

what lunatic wrote that shit.

[one_voice]

96. I don't know...

As far as I know it was the OP.

I'm not sure but I think in his reply here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3502109

after asking if I was high, he told me if jumping off the bridge failed to keep trying.

I told him I wasn't high and asked if he was offering. He never responded. Seems a shame to write something like that and not give up some smoke.

[wildbilln864]

26. I do! n/t

[840high]

27. Count me in.

[backscatter712]

28. Oh, didn't you know? Alan Grayson's a right-wing racist Paulbot!

[RC]

100. He must be. Why else would he be for what Snowden and Greenwald did/are doing?

I mean having your every communication saved and inspected by a government agency is so freedom loving, ya knoe?

---> for those "Liberal Democrats" with the far Right mind-set, that think toadyism totalitarianism dictatorships are a good thing.

[99Forever]

29. K&R

[forestpath]

30. K&R

[WillyT]

31. Oh Yeah...

& Rec !!!

[Dustlawyer]

32. "... succumbs to the destruction of Democracy's illusion.

Someone in Congress admitting that our Democracy is an illusion! It's not hard to figure out that unlimited campaign cash can sway a politician, or Judge, or the media. Oh wait, they own the media!
Way to go Grayson!

[DirkGently]

34. That's my Congressman!

[iandhr]

35. I stand with him on some stuff not on others.

The part where is partner got detained was atrocious.

[mick063]

36. The bus is huge!

It is the magic bus!

[RetroLounge]

68. "Authoritarian taint licker posse"

Oh, man, that sums them up perfectly.

"ATLP" should be our response to all their posts.



RL

[BrotherIvan]

75. That thread was despicable

And I expect this one shall be too.

[SamKnause]

38. Indeed I Do !!!

I stand with Glenn Greenwald.

I stand with Bradley Manning.

I stand with Julian Assange.

I stand with Wikileaks.

I stand with Alan Grayson.

I stand with all the brave leakers and whistleblowers.

I stand for freedom of the press.

I stand for separation of church and state.

I stand for truth in government.

I stand for the rights of we the people.

.........................................................

I stand against warmongering, or empire building.

I stand against the U.S. policing the world.

I stand against the corporate control of government.

I stand against the destructive and insane war against marijuana.

I stand against the militarization of the U.S. police.

I stand against Citizens United.

I stand against the Patriot Act.

I stand against free trade deals that damage the U.S. workforce and take advantage of workers in foreign countries.

[rtracey]

98. Assange

Nice that you stand for everything in the world, but as you stand by Assange, you stand by Manning too... Sorry, but Assange F'd Manning and now Manning is in for 35 and Assange is out.....

[tritsofme]

39. This guy is an absolute joke.

[mick063]

42. He is the first of many that will realize it is time to jump ship

There will be many more. Wyden has already improved his stock.

The next campaign will be about Democrats sprinting away from our President's surveillance policy. This mad evacuation will include distancing from other policy as well.


There will be folks looking around saying "Where did everyone go?" As soon as the President's term nears it's end, the fealty will begin to diminish and all that will be left will be those that typed hundreds of words to defend failure.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

55. go on....

....

[SammyWinstonJack]

40. Uh Oh

[jazzimov]

44. FUCK Greenwald. I NEVER liked him

or trusted him!

I don't care who supports him now, I never trusted him. He has always had a personal agenda. DESPITE his appeals.

FUCK GREENWALD!

And FUCK his hero, Rand Paul.

[Swagman]

49. too bad. Greenwald will go on writing and having influence and

we will listen and fight the attempts at suppression of speech and support those who expose government actions and you can't do a thing about it.

[sagat]

72. +1

Fuck Snowball too.

[Maedhros]

76. Thank you!

For the sweet, sweet tears if incoherent, impotent rage! They are so refreshing!

[limpyhobbler]

86. What's his personal agenda ?

[RC]

101. That's nice. Now tell us why the NSA spying on the communications of American citizens is such a

good thing?

Even though he is helping to expose a terrible, over reaching, corrupt wrong in our government, that action is over shadowed by him not being a "Good DU Democrat"? Me thinks you need to rethink your priories.

[L0oniX]

106. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[nashville_brook]

129. blahaahahaha!

[bhikkhu]

45. I'd stand with better regulatory oversight

I don't wish Greenwald ill or anything, but he seems more like a tabloid writer.

[Swagman]

47. why is that those who oppose Snowden

..oppose every single aspect of what followed ?

they denigrate Snowden...they claim Morales is a dramatist when his jet is side-tracked..they claim Greenwald is an 'egotist' (as is Assange)..they now denigrate Greenwald's partner he is detained..

it's always the same DUers who flatly oppose every twist and turn in this tale of the secret recording of your personal details...

there is no grey area in their thinking, no doubts that some parts may be true and some false and bad things are happening...this blanket opposition seems organised to me.

[L0oniX]

52. They must be just fine, dandy and warm all over with the Stasi NSA and DHS sort of USA thingy.

I think really what it is ...is their failure to accept the truth about the fact that this admin has been and is still expanding what was handed to him from the repukes. IE republiDems.

[HooptieWagon]

60. Nope, just the personality cult...

...and closeted supporters of a fascist state.

[Scootaloo]

50. And that thumping you just heard is what it sounds like when a good politician goes under the bus

I'm with Grayson, and wish there were a thousand more like him.

[RC]

102. If we had a thousand more just like him, we would not be in this mess.

If fact, half that many would be enough. Can you imagine Alan Grayson as Speaker in either or both houses?

[Puglover]

108. If we had a 1000

more like him the House of Representatives would be 3.29 times bigger.

I keed I keed. I also totally agree.

[gopiscrap]

58. Thank you Alan

[DeSwiss]

59. The creme always rises to the top.

- K&R

[HooptieWagon]

61. KnR! I stand with Grayson!

And Greenwald, Snowden, et al.

[Douglas Carpenter]

63. knr

[Oilwellian]

64. I stand with Grayson and Greenwald n/t

[Cha]

66. Of course Grayson stands with GG.. he's just like him. two hyperbolic

peas in a pod.

[RetroLounge]

69. There we go! What took you so long?

No one is immune from the under-the-bus crowd!



RL

[Fuddnik]

79. It took them a while to crawl out of the woodwoork.

[bvar22]

125. They had to wait for the Talking Points,

....so they could find out what their opinion was.

[totodeinhere]

91. Your insulting remark about one of the few bona fide progressives

in Congress is duly noted, and very telling.

[nashville_brook]

128. wow -- true colors.

[Michigan-Arizona]

67. K&R n/t

[livingwagenow]

74. knr nt

[Pretzel_Warrior]

78. no, no I do not.

[Fuddnik]

80. The US govt, and the British gov't are the terrorists now.

Joined at the hip.

[felix_numinous]

82. K&R!! Thank you to Mr. Grayson

These are very challenging times and it is comforting to know that there are a few representatives that disagree with the overreach of the NSA.

[blackspade]

83. I stand with Grayson.

[JDPriestly]

84. K&R.

[limpyhobbler]

85. hell yeah I #standwithglenn

It's possible to be a real human being instead of a corporate robot. Alan Grayson and Glenn Greenwald prove that.

[Douglas Carpenter]

87. knr

[Nanjing to Seoul]

88. I stand with Alan Grayson and everything he does! I stand with Bernie Sanders and everything he

does.

Alan supports Glenn Greenwald. I support Glenn Greenwald!

Just like I support all labor actions, no matter how much it inconveniences me!

[Enthusiast]

89. Kicked and Recommended! nt

[totodeinhere]

92. It's very disheartening to come to a site like this which is supposed to be a safe haven

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for Democrats only to read "fuck Alan Grayson." I don't think that this is the type of discourse that most of us came here for. Alan Grayson is an articulate and fearless progressive and we need about 217 more of him in the House. Yet at this supposedly progressive site I read expletives directed at him.

[RC]

107. Progressive site? Where have you been?

Except for the sign over the door, this place is turning in Conservative Central.
Make up your own facts. When it get to the point where you can't defend it any longer, say that it was just your opinion anyway, then insult the person responsible. Blue links to your past posts in support, help too.

[totodeinhere]

114. I completely agree. That's why I said "supposedly progressive."

Also, I corrected a couple of typos.

[LiberalLovinLug]

130. I can't believe that

Although I agree that on DU more and more of new and closeted conservative authoritarians feel braver in coming out of the woodwork...which coincides with Obama and his appointees moving more brazenly to the right and authoritarian themselves.

Its easy to give up and declare DU overrun, because even one "republiDem Stasi state" supporter causes such a jolt in here compared to the seemingly One Voice in here during the Bush years. But have heart...I am encouraged that whenever one of them tries to disrupt a thread with red herrings or unsubstantiated emotionally based personal opinions, there are many more that will reply and defend the traditional Democratic principles they seem all too willing to throw by the wayside.

[RC]

134. Yeah, OK.

But they are still all over the place.

[Daniel537]

132. This site, and the Progressive movement as a whole, is a FAR cry from what it was

back during the darkest days of the Bush regime. The more i see all these NSA apologists, be they on this site or MSDNC or what have you, the more i'm certain that most of the opposition and supposed "anger" at the violations committed by the Bush regime were just because he had an R next to his name. When its Team D, everything is fair game apparently. Whatever, i stand with Grayson and anybody who stands up for the universal right to privacy.

[Capt. Obvious]

97. AND AGAIN THE FAR LEFT WINS NOTHING

It's time to Kucinich Grayson!

[L0oniX]

103. Being right does not mean you always win ...obviously. n/t

[treestar]

105. That last paragraph is so overdramatic

that it could have come from Glenn himself, as new dialogue for his soap opera.

Grayson should be more specific about the issue, not talking about the reporter/editorialist and standing behind such a person. Someone in Congress should be way above that and introducing bills or something, not supporting a reporter.

And explaining why he thinks it is OK to reveal classified documents over the WPA, which was available to Eddie.

[xiamiam]

109. I stand with Greenwald, Grayson, Manning, Assange, Snowden..anyone else who believes in truth

justice and defending the constitution..

[mimi85]

111. I like Grayson

however I think he's way off base on this one. I wish GG and friends would disappear off the board for just a couple of days. There must be something else going on to discuss.

[JNelson6563]

113. No, I stand with the constitution.

I say thanks to GG for breaking the story and now tune out the subsequent drama.

I have never taken GG seriously as a journalist, he writes opinion pieces. This Snowden thing is to him what Monica Lewinsky was to Drudge, a claim to fame and a way to really nail a President he's hated all along.

On the upside the citizenry has been reminded that there are things in place that can pretty much track everything you do. Good to know. So sad to see a big chunk of the few who gave it more than a passing yawn are mostly squandering time on forums like this fighting for GG's "honor" and taunting the multitudes (who I have not yet seen) that defend the NSA spying program. Oh, and accusing those who aren't willing to canonize GG of being, wait for it...homophobes.

Yep, that's what the "informed" among us are choosing to do (in large part) while the rest (the uninformed or those who don't care) just turn up their TVs and open a fresh bag of chips.

Yes, and the bourgeois are quaking in their boots.

Julie

[Maedhros]

116. Yes, indeed.

I also stand with the Constitution.

Manning, Snowden, Greenwald, Miranda and Grayson stand alongside us.

Of note are those who do not.

[JNelson6563]

117. I would be thrilled if

GG started making this more about the constitution and less about him. So sad to see many who should know better helping to blur the focus of what is most important here (it ain't Greenwald).

Julie

[Maedhros]

118. I disagree with your assessment of Greenwald's motives.

I've been reading his column since he was blasting Bush and Cheney, and through it all he has demonstrated a surprising consistency in his support of civil rights and freedom of the press.

The UK and US governments just used the vast powers of the state to illegally detain and make and example of Greenwald's spouse, in an attempt to intimidate the Guardian into suppressing the leaked Snowden information. I can forgive Glenn for getting a bit hot about that. Were it my spouse, I would be hopping mad. In this particular case, it is GHGQ that is making the story about Greenwald by targeting Miranda.

[JNelson6563]

119. Then we'll have to agree to disagree.

However I am happy to stand with you on our common ground; that of believing our constitution is worth protecting.



Julie

[Maedhros]

121. I'm happy to do so.

What matters is what the information is telling us, not who is telling us the information.

Cheers!

[Puzzledtraveller]

120. k&r!

[Rex]

122. Sir, we have a fourth bus arriving...can we pencil you in?

nt.

[Doctor_J]

124. Grayson - newest member of the Rand Paul coalition

Under the bus with him! Getting crowded, but at least everyone under here believes in actual Democratic principles

[L0oniX]

126. Well we wouldn't want to have our Dem admin extending the Bush NSA and DHS.

Oh ...uhm ...ooops

[bvar22]

127. Proud to STAND with Grayson.

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You know, I used to be able to avoid those vile, bitter, Swiftboating attacks on Liberal Democrats like those at the top of this thread by NEVER going to FreeRepublic.

Sadly, that no longer works.

[brooklynite]

131. ...but apparently not with Edward Snowden

He's spoken out against NSA abuse, but hasn't said anything about supporting what Snowden did.

[railsback]

138. Or.. Send money nt