It could be a landslide for Obama and Democrats

[Stuart G]

1. Obama Got us Out of Iraq
2. Republicans indeed protect the One Percent..It takes time for that one to get through. IT GETS THROUGH..
3. Obama tried to tax Millionaires
4. Employment has picked up, when Bush left things were getting much worse
5. Obama got Bin Laden
6. Reform of Health Insurance Helps People. More people insured..especially pre-existing conditions gone..(that matters to most)
7. Republican attempt to change Social Security and Medicare backfires...THAT GETS THOUGH TOO.
8. Republican attempt to define Obama as "big spender" fails.
9. Average worker finally realizes that All Republicans are against his interest
10. Republican freek show of primaries, debates, and candidates turns off huge majority of voters. Obama seems stable and
competent in comparison..

Bottom Line
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Landslide for Democrats across the nation....

Hey. Lots of gloom and doom, for a moment, maybe, let's think otherwise...won't hurt???

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. I like how you think!

[Stuart G]

5. Thank you ..but let's look at number 10..Freek Show..

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Donald Trump, Rick Perry, Bachmann, who was that guy who had trouble with the Libya question? and something about
an affair? What was his name? ...I remember ...Herman Cain???
Oh, and Gingrich ...isn't hr the same one who went had trouble with some wives..did he?

[The Second Stone]

55. Now make up stupid replies to all of them

and send it out as a right wing idiot chain letter.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

64. What a wonderful idea!

[truebrit71]

2. You must be joking...with the M$M doing their corporate overlords' bidding with 24/7 Obama = Satan

...not bloody likely...

This is going to be the toughest, nastiest election in US history, and the rethuglicans will pull out all of the stops a la 2000 Florida "surprise" to make sure he doesn't get re-elected...The fact that more people actually vote for him won't matter...

I think this November is going to get very ugly...

[RZM]

7. I don't agree with a lot of this

But I do agree with your central point, that this is going to be nasty. Way nastier than 2008.

Republicans did learn a lesson from 2008. McCain actually played pretty nice during the campaign. He didn't go after Obama nearly as hard as I expected him to. That won't be the case this time. The gloves are going to come off and it's going to get ugly, especially if Newt is the nominee.

[ellisonz]

21. I'm ready for a real scrap.

Time to break out the rhetorical sledgehammer!

RZM, see my edit for an apt comparison.

[MrModerate]

54. Yes but . . .

The 'Licans have been rolling out nasty for a couple of years already. In doing so, they are already finding themselves on very mucky, smelly ground. I mean, once you've called the president an illegal alien who's devoted to the overthrow of the very government he heads, how much further can you go?

Which is not to say that the wingnutariat won't try to go even more negative. However, the country's sick of them already. Upping the crazy is likely to cost them votes more than it wins them. And it's likely to also cost them downticket votes, in that the whole Republican party is being tarred with the zealot brush (which is sadly, not untrue). Just about any Dem can run on a platform of "My opponent is a crackpot, and should never be given influence over issues that matter to sane people."

It will come down to three things, I predict: 1) The Obama campaign's ability to get the issues (including those raised by the OP) out to the people; 2) the robustness of the GOTV effort (where Dems appear to be leading at present); and the degree to which votes can be fairly cast and counted.

This last is the 'Licans' ace in the hole. If they can't win on merits, they'll win on stealing the vote and we all know it. We need to not do what Gore did, which was to make the contest close enough to steal.

And concentrate on local/state races!!! Obama needs a Congress he can work with. If Tea Party Congressmen get shown the door, the survivors will be more tractable. And citizens in the 50 states need legislatures *not* devoted to shoving a broken bottle up the workingman's ass.

[Stuart G]

56. In Illinois, at least one Teaparty Puke will lose..Joe Walsh vs Tammy Ducksworth..

Walsh has gotten very bad publicity, and the district was redrawn. A couple of others here look very close. Turnout is the key.
Paul Ryan could go down in Wisconson, and I know of a few others that are very close. But, to me, the clown show has presented the
truth to the nation that no ads, or speech could. They care only about themselves, and their one percent. We will see if this happens.
Hope so, but I have been wrong in the past, too many times. But a few times, I have been correct.

[Scuba]

28. Sadly, I suspect you are correct. Relaxing would be a fatal mistake. n/t

[PatrynXX]

58. well if Mitt were to win

I find it like automatic that Obama wins... The Christian right would thus sit this election out because most would not vote for a pro choice, moron. Me well I really don't care. To Lutherans.. the pope is the anti christ so if your a Catholic like Newt Pretends to be... that might be a problem. If your Mitt, you might as well belong to the Muslim faith. Both of which is rooted out of the Christian religion. They spent all this time butchering Islam.... I don't think they'd vote for a Mormon. So I think Obama assumes that and doesn't seem to care about the left. So ignoring him the primary goal in 2012 is to actually vote for Progressives/Liberals. (the republicans started this name calling so we'll just vote the Dino's out. (hi ben nelson..)

[toddwv]

3. I'd love to agree BUT

I don't think you realize just how PROFOUNDLY ignorant a significant portion of the US population is. I mean, Bush was voted into office TWICE! After just 2 years, the American people handed control of the House of Reps back to the Republicans!

I ALMOST wish that there WAS massive voter fraud. It would make me feel slightly better about the political choices the electorate has made over the past 10-15 years.

[Rozlee]

45. You got that right.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity, Robert A. Heinlein said. We elected Reagan and Bush twice. States have elected representatives that have voted against their own best interest time and time again just because they talked the talk instead of delivered. Look how demogogues like McCarthy held the nation hostage by instilling fear and terror of the Red Threat. Straw men, scapegoats, and faked or exaggerated threats have always flocked a terrorized public to the polls. Look what happened to Jimmy Carter because he was painted as weak against the Ayatollah. Republicans love frightening the masses and this has always gotten them a lot of traction. Gawd only knows what kind of propaganda they'll use on Obama. The corporate media loves right-wingers. They ignored Bush's flip-flopping to paint Kerry as a flip-flopper. They excoriated Gore for being "wooden" and sighing. How could they have even thought that Palin and Biden's debate was a draw? Unbelievable! She did nothing but spout talking points to every question asked ("free markets", "our liberties," "our founding fathers" "integrity" "we can't allow our enemies to ___(insert dire threat)".

[PatrynXX]

60. he wasn't voted in twice

he was voted in once on cheating in 2004 via voting machines. in 2000 al gore was voted in. But the Supreme Court ruled for the loser.

[Summer Hathaway]

4. I think we will do extremely well indeed!

We see a lot of the 'lesser of two evils' meme. This election, it's the Clowns -v- the Smartest Guy in the Room.

I think we've got it. Now let's big it up.

[Estevan]

48. If by "getting his ass kicked"

you mean managing to get through numerous legislative victories in the face of relentless opposition.

Then I think he's in pretty good shape.

[MrModerate]

57. It may BE victory . . .

But it doesn't FEEL like victory. The compromises seem to be unbalanced in favor of regressive forces.

[Estevan]

59. The cure for that

Vote more Dems. President can't do it all. Besides I don't think the 3million more people now covered under Obamacare would agree with you.

[RZM]

6. I don't see a landslide as possible in this environment

An Obama victory? Absolutely. A landslide? I don't think the stage is set for that. Let's take it point by point.

1) Yes. That does help.
2) Ehh. Business as usual. Not game changing or landslide inducing.
3) Yoda rule here. Do or not do. There is no try.
4) Not qualified to analyze. But unemployment is high enough that it's going to be drag on him, no matter whose fault it is.
5) Yes, he will get a little bump from that.
6) Health care reform is kind of a wash. Got some good things done, but took a lot of flak too.
7) This may be a big help for Obama. Slashing benefits just doesn't play well.
8) They hear everyday from their side that he's spending like crazy. Whether or not that's true, keeping spending low won't be something Obama will campaign on.
9) This one is odd. Why would it that happen now? Are 'average workers' just going to magically awaken in 2012 and decide they are good Democrats? I don't think so.
10) People overestimate this every cycle. Clinton and Obama went at it for a long time and it didn't really hurt him at all. Once the nominee is chosen, the primaries will be largely forgotten. Thet other candidates will endorse the nominee wholeheartedly and campaign for him in the hopes of favors in the future.

[Stuart G]

8. Anything is possible..One example to prove this idea.

Four years ago, I (and many others believed) it would be impossible to elect an Afro American to the office of President.
We were wrong. Who knows what the enviornment will be in eleven months.

[RZM]

16. For the record, I never thought that was impossible

It just took the right person. Previous AA candidates for the presidency were people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Figures like them never had the capability for mass appeal and never will. Obama represents an interesting confluence of traits and backgrounds (yes, plural) that made him eligible for mass appeal.

The next AA president will actually probably be a Republican. Somebody like Cain, minus the idiocy and philandering that did him in.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. "Could" be but he's a black guy

That's the elephant in the room you forgot to mention.

[Stuart G]

33. Well.........he is a black guy..but I am being honest.. most of us think he is ok.

Most is a iffy question..Who is most..

This country, has gotten past this, not all, but most.
Those that would vote against him cause he is black, are in the minority.
He is a centerist, intelligent, respected, articulate..
furthere,

He has proven he can do this job. Certainly better than the last one

It really isn't that difficult to forsee a landslide. He is better than Mitt?
Isn't he?

[elleng]

10. Could be, BUT FOR

screwing around with voter registration laws, and likely 'theft,' that repugs do.

[GoCubsGo]

31. And, throw in....

...the paperless, hackable electronic voting machines most states have. Add to that a mainstream media that is basically a propaganda arm of the GOP. Kiss that landslide good-bye.

[elleng]

40. Right, included in 'theft.'

[joshcryer]

11. Replace your entire equation with one thing: Newt.

Newt will completely obliterate the Republican run.

[tblue]

12. A landslide could well happen, but will the votes be counted?

I don't trust Republicans to let the people decide.

[joshcryer]

13. That's what poll observers are for.

Of course, if we toss the Democrats under the bus there won't be a lot of them and the results can be easily gamed.

[Stuart G]

15. I don't trust them either...but,

if this senario holds true, it won't matter.
65 percent go for Obama and the Democrats..that is a landslide.
You know, the freek show is getting on lots of peoples nerves..Much too much, not just us...oh that doesn't matter..
average voter..is beginning to see it as a freek show...yea, really...and if Ron Paul does better than expected. in Iowa...well what does he
really stand for... no social security, no medicare, no social net at all..nothing ..

[RZM]

18. 65 percent? Is that really your prediction?

That's not going to happen, unless the Republicans nominate Satan himself.

[ThomWV]

14. Wishful thinking

Another school of thought is saying that this is a 'throw the bums out' year which means that we lose the Senate and maybe get back the house. As for the Presidency, the only thing that will keep Obama in office is an incredibly poor Republican Candidate. His record won't do it, for many it has been a continuous string of disappointments punctuated by occasional bouts of honest to christ stupidity.

[oldhippydude]

17. i like the way you think

but im terrified at the unlimited money that citizens United generates, the changing of voting laws in many states, and outright election fruad..

having said that if in fact a landlide happened, we would most certainly take back the house, and maybe pick up a senate seat or two.. in addition to re-electing the POTUS.. we need to work for Elizabeth Warren and others downticket.. after all we have seen what happens with a republican house..

[applegrove]

19. I'm begining to think that too.

[Kablooie]

20. You are only looking at one side of the equation.

If you look at the conservative view none of that makes a bit of difference.

The winner of the election will go to whoever Our Lord God in Heaven decides .

That is unless the Devil gets involved and forces people to vote Democratic.

[Douglas Carpenter]

25. no President has won reelection with current levels of unemployment in 75 years. However I think

President Obama may very well be an exception. The Teaparty movement has pushed the Republicans into embracing positions so far out of the mainstream - particularly on Medicare that it might very well cause them to grab defeat from the hands of victory. Also the Republican Party will likely be nominating a candidate that most of them really don't like which is bound to have some effect on depressing the enthusiasm of their foot soldiers. Also, I remember how in 1994 it looked for awhile that Teddy was genuinely vulnerable. But a series of negative ads concentrating on Romney's roll in buying up businesses, laying off massive number of their staff and then selling these enterprises lead to Sen. Kennedy winning another landslide reelection. Still I don' think this election will be any cake walk for the Democrats. I see Intrade is now giving Romney a 63.1% chance of winning the Republican nomination - but only a 46% chance that the Republican nominee will win the general election - and a 51.9% that the Democratic nominee will win the general election. I think this is a pretty accurate estimation of the current possibilities as they exist at this time. Of course things could change in either direction by November. http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/?eventId=84328

RCP Poll Average
President Obama Job Approval
44.9 Approve / 49.3 Disapprove

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

[NNN0LHI]

29. The November unemployment rate was 8.6 percent

The November a year before the election during Reagan's first term the unemployment rate was 8.5 percent.

I can remember this because I was laid off then.

Don

[PufPuf23]

26. I hope 2012 is a landslide for the Democratic Party.

I dont consider POTUS Obama positive for a Democratic plurarlity in 2012.

I want the end of neoconservative and neoliberal economic and foreign policy.

[B Calm]

27. .You're forgetting the electronic voting machines

[greytdemocrat]

30. It could happen!

There is a very real chance. November is a way off though...

[Stuart G]

32. Yes, November is a long way off, you are correct.

But this freek show, Trump, Cain, Bachmann, etc. one debate and cadidate after another is going to be glued into people's minds
The Pukes believed that a show like that would rouse people up for their cause, week after week of interesting debates and
platform talk..etc, that We the PUKES Allow this to happen, and they, the Democrates are ruled by a dicatator..."Obama"

Now the freek show, demonstrates that Obama is not a dictatator and he is relatively calm and intelligent in relation to the
..."freeks" He seems to have a wife that he loves, a couple of kids, came from a modest background..and represents
much of what we admire..OK..believe it, he ain't perfect..

....but look at the freeks?....and when Sara starts to rattle on and on again, it will just highlight the show.
Sure they will try to cheat, that is what they do...This time there could be a landslide..if there is..it will be fun..

[jimlup]

34. It certainly could be if we play our hand right /nt

[41mag]

35. A victory

if it happens at all will only come if there is a complete turn around in the economy. The general public is NOT worried about any of the accomplishments of this administration, they are worried about whether they will be laid off next week, and if they will be able to eat. Pure plain and simple, the majority of the voting public couldn't care less about politics, they worry about their family.

[tabasco]

36. Republicans own the propaganda machine.

Only thing that really worries me anymore.

[Stuart G]

37. They sure do..but they don't own all of us.

You go into that voting booth, and wonder for a moment.
Who is the better person for the entire country?
Maybe most, (that is what I am saying here) will say..We don't need to change,
Obama is ok for me.

Most will see through the propaganda. Hard to believe?
Well, they did last time..
Didn't they?..

[AlinPA]

53. And 10's of billions in free ads because of the "Citizens United" SC ruling.

[jwirr]

38. I certainly hope so.

[Scurrilous]

39. Let's hope so.

[a kennedy]

41. Gawd I needed something posted like this......thank you so much.

There, I feel a little better. *hugs*

[GETPLANING]

42. The Behavior of Congressional Republicans Is Turning The Country Against The GOP

This is the biggest factor in the Democrats' favor. The numers are absolutely staggering if you are a Republican strategist. Mitch McConnell may have sunk the entire party. Americans really don't like Republicans, no matter what the liberal media tells you.

http://www.people-press.org/2011/12/15/section-1-congress-the-parties-and-the-anti-incumbent-mood/?src=prc-section

[Stuart G]

43. They are going to go into that voting booth and say to themselves..

maybe this......................

We gave them a chance last time, I voted for them..
All that they did was say "NO..
Obama ended the war,
tried to tax the rich, they said "NO"
tried to pass a tax cut..they said "NO'
Obama got Bin Laden..
screw the Republicans........and their show.....

Let's give Obama's party another shot..they did get rid of pre-existing conditions...you know, that is important.............

[WheelWalker]

44. Recommended for ambition of imagination.

[On the Road]

46. For all the Criticism Obama Has Taken, Some of it Justified,

he has quietly racked up an impressive record of achievements for his reelection campaign.

I don't think we really know yet. All the polls say it will be a tight race with Romney. I think Gingrich would simply turn off too many independents -- that might easily result in an Obama landslide.

Ultimately, I think it's going to depend on the economy. If the tepid recovery continues and gets a little steam, I think Obama is in. If the Europeans trigger another global crisis that extends to the US, Romney might beat him.

[Duct Tape]

47. I hope so. Please people, don't let them screw us over even more!! nt

[Sherman A1]

49. It could indeed be so

or perhaps not.

[secondvariety]

50. Maybe

If people actually can get out and vote. Here in Florida, the roadblocks have been set up to squash voter registration and early voting.

[cadaverdog]

52. The two words missing from this discussion are "voter turnout"

The Dems lost the house and numerous governorships because registered Dems stayed home in huge numbers versus 2008. The fight over voter registration is most likely lost for the next election, in large part because Eric Holder and company didn't see it as a threat a couple years ago, and now there is not enough time for the necessary court challenges to run their course, and hopefully prevail. That's not the end of the world, however; Republicans are going to have their own problems with voter turnout, given the schism in their party.

The real tragedy, however, will be if the Democratic base sit on their hands moaning about all that Obama didn't do that he promised, along with a number of real bone-headed missteps.

As for me, I will hold my nose as I march into the voting booth, select "Barack Obama", and make certain there is no hanging chad, and hope that all my fellow disillusioned Democrats do the same. It will be difficult, but truth is, we must do it. To do otherwise would be a foolish act of pique that could lead to disastrous consequences. Remember what all those votes for Ralph Nader cost us? Not our finest hour. And don't tell me about the SC deciding the election. We decided the election when we didn't kick George W. Bush's ass back to that phony ranch in Texas.

Of course, when I'm in that voting booth, a little voice will be gnawing in the back of my head, "fool me once, shame on you......" But unlike GWB, my little voice will get it right; "fool me twice, shame on me."

[roamer65]

51. I expect stalemate again after the 2012 elections.

The Rethugs will manipulate the vote through fraud and retain the House on a lesser majority.

[Ikonoklast]

69. How would you like to be a down-ticket Republican congressman with Newt at the top?

Or Mittens, lackluster support or outright "No way I'm gonna vote for that jerk" spills over right down the ticket.

[dflprincess]

61. "Reform of Health Insurance Helps People. More people insured.."

More people paying more for coverage they can't afford to use as deductibles and maximum out of pocket requirements increase. Fewer people, including those with chronic conditions, getting the routine care they need while the insurance companies post record profits and still raise your rates.

I don't think many people will all that impressed when they find out they will be required to buy the same old crap from the same old crooks with no guarantee of access to care. Good thing that doesn't kick in until 2014.

[ScreamingMeemie]

63. Thank you for posting this. As a pre-exister, who also has to buy temp insurance for her son because

he can longer be insured by the major insurance co's (thanks law loophole that now has them not covering any kids), no...reform of health care insurance actually worsened an already rough situation. 2014 will not change that, unless they close that loophole.

[Pryderi]

62. Republicans control more states, have gerrymandered, passed voter suppression measures, we have more

Senators up for election.

We could lose the House, the Senate and the Presidency.

[paparush]

65. The media does not want a landslide. Who watches the news when one candidate has a 20+ point lead?

The media will keep it close to keep people glued to their tv sets (and subject to an endless stream of expensive ads).

[JDPriestly]

66. Thanks, Stuart G.

Instead of the usual bashing of anyone who disagrees with one of Obama's many policies, instead of a post that simply attacks a DUer for stating his or her opinion, you have finally given your reasons for supporting Obama.

That is the approach we need to see.

The Republican freak-show really is turning off voters.

Obama does seem stable and competent in comparison. I wish he had better advisers on the economic front, but I agree with most of the things you point out as strengths of Obama -- except his payroll tax cut does not demonstrate dedication to the concept of Social Security. I think he is weak there.

I wish his health insurance plan could be in full force before the 2012 election. I think people will like it much more than they now expect.

I think that Obama is working with leaders in other countries. Bush made a mess, a huge mess of our foreign policy, but Obama has done positive work in that area. That is where he has his greatest expertise. He has worked well with Hillary Clinton on improving our relationships with countries around the world.

Just think. We aren't at war with the Soviet Union over Georgia. There but for the grace of God would we be had John McCain been elected. Obama has a cool head about foreign policy.

[center rising]

67. Going to be a lot closer than 08.

[TreasonousBastard]

68. Notice all the "buts" and negatives in this thread? Around my neighborhood we...

know all about this, and we remember how almost got beat up by the teabaggers two years ago and how we got our asses kicked in last month's local election.

Our answer to this is simply to bust our asses harder to keep what we got and get some new ones in. Redistricting is a key problem, and Republican "stop the vote" is another one, but we've got a campaign to run around here and and anyone harping on the negatives is shown the door.

Could be a landslide. Probably won't be unless the other side stays home.

But, yeah, we have to think positive and NOT give the other side hope or ideas. Isn't that the way you do things in real life?

[AnOhioan]

70. Thanks for the laugh

[Sky Masterson]

71. It wont be. A lot of us are pissed

I will still vote dem but I may have to hold my nose when I fill in the little circles.