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People Who Got Shorter Sentences Than Bradley Manning: Spies Selling Secrets To Russians & Active Terrorists
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130821/18434224275/people-who-got-shorter-sentences-than-bradley-manning-spies-selling-secrets-to-russians-active-terrorists.shtml
Take, for example, the case of David Henry Barnett, a CIA agent who directly sold secrets to the Russians, including but not limited to outing around 30 active CIA agents to the KGB. Oh, and at the urging of the KGB, he also tried to get a job on Capitol Hill in order to get access to more secrets. He was eventually caught and charged with espionage in 1980... and received an 18 year sentence. Got that? Directly sell the identity of CIA agents to the KGB and you get about half the time that Manning got, not for revealing the identity of any intelligence agents, but basically for embarrassing the State Department and the military. That doesn't seem right.
Okay. And how about people, including Americans, who actively tried to hurt America? Remember, Manning made it quite clear his goal was to help America. But that's not true for these five people who joined the Taliban or teamed up with terrorists working on plans to attack America. Those people actively wanted to harm America. And they got shorter sentences.
David Hicks: An Australian national who was captured fighting alongside the Taliban and sent to Guantanamo Bay prison in 2002, Hicks plead guilty to material support for terrorism in a Gitmo military commission in 2007 and was sentenced to seven years confinement. That sentence was reduced to nine months given time already served.
John Walker Lindh: Lindh was convicted of a slew of terrorism and conspiracy charges in 2003 for fighting with the Taliban against the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
(More at the link.)
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)version of a "show trial"?
The sentence was insanely unfair and this post proves it!
Good post and off to the Greatest with it!
Cheers!
gopiscrap
(24,754 posts)and that is why we need to keep the heat and spotlight on this issue!
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Apparently, none of them. Military and civilian justice are not the same thing; in the case of a serving member of the armed forces convicted of espionage, the sentence is in part exemplary, pour encourager les autres. Discouraging the wilful disobedience of orders and disclosure of classified information by showing what happens to those who do is in the interests of military discipline.
It would be a fairer comparison to look at members of the armed forces convicted by court-martial of espionage and compare their sentences with Manning's.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)backscatter712
(26,357 posts)Just Saying
(1,799 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Proven once again by this.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)William Laws Calley[1] (William Laws Calley, Jr.) (born June 8, 1943) is a convicted American war criminal and a former U.S. Army officer found guilty of murder for his role in the My Lai Massacre on March 16, 1968, during the Vietnam War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calley
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Manning only got 35 years. In my opinion, Manning got a fairly light sentence considering the charges of which he was convicted.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)That's a huge difference.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)knowing that many would end up in the hands of the enemy. His motivations aren't particularly important to me. He signed a non-disclosure agreement, and he (like anyone who graduated from basic training) was well-educated about the consequences of disclosing classified information.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)zipplewrath
(16,698 posts)Most people of this type get life. Of course that can come with an opportunity for parole. Manning may be out in 9 years or so, because of time already served. John Walker is scheduled to get out after 30.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)You can massacre 24 innocent Iraqis, including women, children, a baby and a man in a wheelchair and walk away scot-free.
...
(There) were blatant attempts to cover up the atrocity, disguised as collateral damage. Congressman John Murtha, a former Marine, was briefed on the Haditha investigation by Marine Corps Commandant Michael Hagee. Murtha said, The reports I have from the highest level: No firing at all. No interaction. No military action at all in this particular incident. It was an explosive device, which killed a Marine. From then on, it was purely shooting people. Marine Corps officials told Murtha that troops shot a woman in cold blood as she was bending over her child begging for mercy. Women and children were in their nightclothes when they were killed.
After the massacre, Briones was ordered to take photographs of the victims and help carry their bodies out of their homes. He is still haunted by what he had to do that day. Briones picked up a young girl who was shot in the head. I held her out like this, he said, extending his arms, but her head was bobbing up and down and the insides fell on my legs. I used to be one of those Marines who said that post-traumatic stress is a bunch of bull, said Briones, who has gotten into serious trouble since he returned home. But all this stuff that keeps going through my head is eating me up. I need immediate help.
Murtha told ABC there was no question the US military tried to cover up the Haditha incident, which Murtha called worse than Abu Ghraib. His high-level briefings indicated to him that the cover-up went right up the chain of command.
...
The 24 Haditha victims are buried in a cemetery called Martyrs Graveyard. Graffiti on the deserted house of one of the families reads, Democracy assassinated the family that was here.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/01/31/the-haditha-massacre/
The US Press wouldn't even publish the pictures AFP took, they were that bad.
All charges dismissed and 1 acquitted. BUT MANNING IS THE ONE IN JAIL!

burnodo
(2,017 posts)to be ignorant of our own government, unless they wanna take are guns!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)follow up outrage. But, the Media/MIC and the People only cared about "9/11" and used that excuse to cover it up. We were lied to for that Invasion and the tragic costs will be with us and Iraq and Middle East for decades.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)it's about making an example of him. Make sure any future whistleblowers know to keep their mouth shut and not embarrass the State Department.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)struggle4progress
(126,447 posts)in the wrong place at the wrong time, in which case zero time might have been more appropriate for them
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)to future whistle blowers. The Miranda outrage at Heathrow is to send the same message to journalists and their spouses/loves ones. It's chilling and disturbing. It's equally disturbing that there are those who cheer this abuse of power.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)The other you can expect from TPTB.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Look up Bradley Manning's Wiki page and see what happens.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)FairWinds
(1,717 posts)how about Scooter Libby? He's a much better example.
Never served a day for being CONVICTED of involvement with leaking Top secret info.
The DC insiders leak more than Manning every week . .
KoKo
(84,711 posts)classof56
(5,376 posts)They were of course executed as "Enemies of Democracy". That was during the McCarthy Madness, rife with fear of evil Communism. I was old enough to remember that, and to this day I remain somewhat confused, but at the time it was generally accepted that as spies who sold our secrets to the Soviet Union, they got what was coming to them. Pretty sad, though.
charlives
(34 posts)...for terrorizing the country and killing 600,000
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I guess, if measured by how many corporations were using Uncle Sam to line their pockets.
If measured by what was lost, nothing of import, nothing that harmed U.S. security, nothing that harmed a human being -- other than the bastards who hide their loot offshore and the corporations that bribe Americans and foreign nationals to turn a buck any way possible.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 25, 2013, 09:11 PM - Edit history (1)
Even if it exposes the twisted antics of soldiers that kill innocent people for sport .. and their commanders are in full support of it and give the OK .. kill em.
napoleon_in_rags
(3,992 posts)You can almost picture, sometime back in the 60's, in South America a KGB agent and a CIA agent, both knowing what the other is, sitting down to drinks:
CIA: "You know, we don't have to live under the threat of nuclear destruction, what if we - I mean you and me, got along?"
KGB: "That true, most of people in Russia and the US live in blissful ignorance of the work we do. Should we treat each other as dogs?"
CIA: "Why do that, when we are the bravest and best in the world? What if people like us stopped being slaves of a public, in the US and Russia that doesn't care about us, and started standing up for ourselves?"
KGB: "Yes, what if people like us started to protect our own interests, and for once look at the stupid public as the 'other' in the situation?"
Long drinks.
CIA: "We'd stop forever the threat of nuclear war."
KGB: "But leaks to the public would become more severe in punishment than leaks to each other. Wouldn't the public notice?"
CIA: "Nah, they're all idiots".
toby jo
(1,269 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)But, hell, he and the others at My Lai were only mass murderers not whistle blowers.