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[lpbk2713]

1. Obviously a dedicated Limbaugh listener.

Link ... http://crooksandliars.com/2006/10/23/rush-limbaugh-attacks-michael-j-fox-he-was-either-off-the-medication-or-he-was-acting-he-is-an-actor-after-all

[Initech]

7. Definitely wouldn't surprise me.

[Zoeisright]

2. Good.

Hope he finds that time very uncomfortable.

[ohheckyeah]

3. While Bailey is obviously

an asshole, when did people start getting sent to jail for mocking someone, even if it is a child?

[JRLeft]

5. ^This, throwing him in jail is madness. He is a piece of shit though.

[ohheckyeah]

9. Yes, he is....

any adult who would make fun of a child is a piece of shit, but is that really a jailable offense?

[JRLeft]

16. Hell no! And anyone who thinks so is crazy. The constitution is shrinking more and more everyday.

[ohheckyeah]

18. We're in agreement on that....

and the people who support this action are most likely the same people who talk about a police state.

[tblue37]

37. I wonder whether he had also been making threats against

her over the previous year, while his son is said to have been bullying her every day.

[backscatter712]

19. It's not just mocking, there were also violent threats.

This asshole threatened to choke the girl's mother with a chain.

Jail's absolutely appropriate for this piece of shit.

[Skeeter Barnes]

27. This guy had already been jailed for a previous menacing charge earlier in the year.

Evidently there is more to this and people are getting tired of his shit.

[treestar]

42. I wondered that too

It was disorderly conduct. So likely the headline is misleading. Something he did fell under "disorderly conduct" and it wasn't the mocking of the girl alone.

[freshwest]

4. Effing Tea Bagger. Kudos to the Judge.

[ohheckyeah]

13. the judge looks like an idiot for this.....n/t

[freshwest]

15. You think there should be no consequences for menacing a child?

He pled guilty to aggravated menacing. And his 'someone was teasing my kid' doesn't sound like a good defense.

[ohheckyeah]

17. Mocking a child,

while disgusting, isn't menacing and he didn't plead guilty:

who pleaded no contest Tuesday to reduced misdemeanor charges of disorderly conduct and aggravated menacing.

[freshwest]

20. Fine, no contest. He did it. Dehumanizing others is a process.

[backscatter712]

21. No, the man made a threat of violence to the girl's mother.

He threatened to choke her with a chain, hence the jail sentence.

[Warpy]

6. Parents who intervene in kid problems like that

by stooping to the level of the kid involved always end up looking very bad.

I think the penalty is a bit harsh. I think he probably learned his lesson by watching that video of himself being an overgrown bully who should have known a lot better.

[SoCalDem]

8. I'm with you.. I would have preferred that he be sentenced to community service

at a place that cares for handicapped people maybe.. he needs to pay for his ignorance.... but jail time only makes him a folk-hero to his cronies..

[ohheckyeah]

11. If we start putting

people in jail for ignorance the jails are going to be damn full.

I really don't think this was an offense that law enforcement should have gotten involved with.

[DiverDave]

32. WHAT PART OF he threatened

choke the mother dont you understand??
Yes, he SHOULD be in jail, but I would have given him MORE time...
Why would you defend this trash?

[backscatter712]

22. I don't want a man with contempt for those with disabilities working with people with disabilities.

If he was to do community service, he can do it picking garbage up off the road like other criminals.

[SoCalDem]

24. or he might just benefit from actually being around people with handicaps

that said, he would do work that was not in direct contact with them...or picking up trash on roadsides ..just not jail..

[vankuria]

43. This miserable bully should not be near anyone with disabilities!

I highly doubt any agencies that serve the needs of individuals with disabilities would want this creep involved in their activities. He is heartless and jail is a good place for him, too bad it isn't longer. And I feel very sorry for his son, the kid obviously has a terrible role model and is being raised to be a bully just like dad.

[Sgent]

10. Let me get this straight

he was put in jail for his (horrid) mocking of this girl. In what way is this not a regulation on freedom of speech?

[Ilsa]

30. No, he threatened her mother. The title

is grossly misleading.

[burnodo]

31. This sentence is beyond ridiculous

If all the mean-spirited childish assholes could be jailed, the US prison population would increase exponentially

[kcr]

34. When mean spirited childish assholes make threats, they go to jail n/t

[burnodo]

39. OK

Turns out the CBS blurb was BS

[Nye Bevan]

12. While this guy is clearly a disgusting piece of shit,

how is making fun of how someone walks "aggravated menacing"?

[ohheckyeah]

14. It isn't.

Putting him in jail is insanity.

[LisaLynne]

45. That's not why he is being sent to jail, as you've been told repeatedly.

The headline is misleading. He made threats against the girl's mother.

[backscatter712]

23. He threatened the girl's mother. n/t

[Nye Bevan]

25. That's not mentioned in the story linked in the OP.

But if that is the case, I feel much better about the conviction. Mocking someone, while despicable, is protected free speech.

[liberal_at_heart]

26. sometimes people commit suicide because others make fun of them.

Mental scars are just as real as physical ones.

[Nye Bevan]

28. OK. Say DUers mocked a teabagger with a stupid sign, and he killed himself as a result.

Should prosecutions and jail sentences follow?

[liberal_at_heart]

29. Yes. We don't have to be hateful to fight for justice. MLK Jr. didn't need to mock people.

[Android3.14]

36. Wow

That is incredibly naive.

[pipi_k]

44. You forgot

the rest of your reply, it seems.

"Wow. That is incredibly naive because..."


IOW, which part of what the person you are replying to is "naive", and why?

[Android3.14]

46. The part where it's okay to infringe on freedom of speech

The guys a jerk, and a bad person, and if it is true he threatened anyone, then he deserves legal repercussions. Otherwise the social backlash is probably going to shut him up for years. But advocating to jail people for saying mean things is incredibly naive. Get a protection order, then charge him when he violates it. The guy is obviously too stupid to stay out of trouble, so why advocate to infringe on a civil liberty in order to punish one person, when that civil liberty protects everyone?

[onpatrol98]

33. In Ohio

2903.21 Aggravated menacing.

(A) No person shall knowingly cause another to believe that the offender will cause serious physical harm to the person or property of the other person, the other person's unborn, or a member of the other person's immediate family.

If he said he would cause harm to her mother, it's actually a fairly plain case of aggravated menacing for Ohio, I think. And, it wouldn't be very hard to convince a child you could do this. Not to mention, he did it in front of witnesses.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

41. There's another article linked below.

He already spent 10 days in the slammer in an unrelated threatening/menacing case. Hess frequent flyer.

In this incident, he threatened the mother "later that day"

Anyway......

Re: repeated teasing a disabled child by an adult.

Absent threats, I could still get behind criminal sanction and, yes, jail time. There is an often overused provision in criminal statutes for speech that disturbs the peace and causes alarm. In this case, the charge is a perfect example of speech that disturbs the peace.

Think of the case of the Harvard Professor who was charged with disorderly conduct because his speech caused alarm to bystanders. The officer was very careful in his report to build a case that it wasn't just himself who was "alarmed" (because police cant be the alarmed party) - it was non-existent passers-by who where "alarmed" at he alleged disorderly utterances of the Professor. The charge was a fabrication and blatant example of its overuse.

The case in the OP is a text book case.

In other words, free speech does have limits. In the OP case, the law gives a remedy to lawful citizens who might otherwise become so alarmed that they want to beat the fuck out of this guy for taunting a disabled child. That's a good thing in a civilized society.

[sendero]

35. This headline is misleading..

... to say the least. Please read the story before getting all outraged that someone is actually going to jail for making fun of someone.

[greatlaurel]

38. The headline is extremely misleading.

Here is a link to a report that explains more about what was going on.

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x493674090/Man-accused-of-bullying-disabled-girl-faces-criminal-charges

Hope people will stop being outraged for the wrong reason. This guy has been making threats and was in jail earlier this year for menacing. He was given an appropriate sentence.

CBS News at their worst by completely twisting the story.

[burnodo]

40. the guy was sentenced last November

this story is a year old

[Donald Ian Rankin]

47. This looks like one of the worst and most misleading pieces of reporting I've seen.

It strongly implies that he was sent to jail for mocking the girl.

As far as I can tell from other posts in this thread, that was actually nothing to do with it; he was jailed for threatening her mother with violence.

Certainly, mocking a child ought not to be a criminal offence, and threatening people with violence ought to be.