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Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:29 PM

 

War!

What is it good for?


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Absolutely Nothin!
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Reply War! (Original post)
PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 OP
GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #1
PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #2
NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #3
PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #5
Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #9
PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #12
Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #14
NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #16
PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #18
cali Aug 2013 #13
Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #26
irisblue Aug 2013 #27
GP6971 Aug 2013 #30
NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #15
pampango Aug 2013 #23
Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #4
PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #6
Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #7
PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #8
Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #11
Electric Monk Aug 2013 #10
dtom67 Aug 2013 #17
PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #19
juajen Aug 2013 #29
cali Aug 2013 #20
PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #21
Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #22
99Forever Aug 2013 #24
Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #25
Warpy Aug 2013 #28

Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:40 PM

1. Freedom ...

from the other guy.

Example:

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:43 PM

2. So, uprisings? Fight for freedom from tyranny?

 

I would say that Native Americans may have been in the right to fight against repressive European push through the continent. But, could they have worked together to create an industrial society that lived better with nature? Or would the advancing Peoples just genocided them into nonexistence regardless? I am sorry to say it would probably have been the later.

edit - but I would claim war was being waged on the natives by Europeans. So...

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:43 PM

3. Well, it did liberate a now deceased relative from the deaths camps of WWII.

5 people wouldn't be here today without that having happened.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:48 PM

5. wasn't war what got them into the camps in the first place? n/t

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:03 PM

9. War didn't get them into camps

 

War got them out.

Other terrible things got them in like greed, envy and sabatoge.

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:08 PM

12. One way to think of it would be that Naxis were waging war against the Jews

 

even though they did not officially declare war.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:10 PM

14. I'll buy that.

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:23 PM

16. Except that most Jews were never combatants.

They registered as required by law, dressed as required by the law, relocated as required by the law, and reported for transport away as required by law. And most of them died for it.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:25 PM

18. I agree, the conflict was only happening in one direction. n/t

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:09 PM

13. what? no, of course not. the camps and plans for exterminating

 

the jews and others started years before the war.

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Response to cali (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:56 PM

26. I think you're wrong about that.

The Holocaust only began being planned in 1940 or so, as I understand it. Before then it was just an aspiration.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 04:03 PM

27. Dachau was opened in 1933. The Holocaust started way earlier then 1940.

EOM

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Response to irisblue (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 04:43 PM

30. I also believe that Dachau

started as a labor camp. Depressing place......was there a number of years ago

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:15 PM

15. No. Hate did that.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:45 PM

23. And it deposed a brutal dictator in Germany and right wing military rule in Japan.

Both countries have peaceful and prosperous democracies now. Their citizens seem quite happy not to be ruled by fascists any more.

There is even more peace and prosperity in the Balkans than there was before NATO intervened to stop the atrocities of the early 1990's. Slovenia and Croatia have joined the EU and other countries that were part of Yugoslavia are on a path to join.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:46 PM

4. Who knows? Could be have love or compassion with out it?

 

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:53 PM

6. My young child has love and compassion

 

and has not needed to experience death or violence in order to have those traits.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:56 PM

7. You're absolutely right

 

That's the first thing I thought when I hit the post button

I think I need to ammend or delete.

I didn't make my point which was that of a more Eastern idea of balance in "the whole dern human comedy"

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:02 PM

8. Yin/Yang thing. Balance.

 

I can see a life/death balance. But War is murder. What balances a murder? What balances 100s of thousands?

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:08 PM

11. Maybe it's art

 

I can't think of any "thing" more beautiful that humans can create (other than children) and war is the ugliest thing humans create.

But yes. I guess ying/yang would have been a little simpler. Tripped on myself

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:05 PM

10. It's good for the arms industry, and for giving ER surgeons lots of real world experience.

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:24 PM

17. the war in Syria will be good for ...

those EU states that want more potential supply ( LNG) for the proposed Nabucco pipeline.

It is all about resources, as usual.

The atrocities are only important in their potential to provide political cover for government-subsidized corporate expansion(WAR). I do not know why they still bother with this; the idea that Life has intrinsic value( beyond one's own, natch ) seems to lose out to the idea of "humanitarian aid through killing™". At least by those that will actually make the decisions. Americans will see the " reason " for War in "________" and change the channel , knowing all they need to know about what the money borrowed in our name is used for.

Sorry; Negative Nancy day for Doubting Thomas.

cannot help it; certainly seems to me that we have NO control and little influence over acts committed in our name.
we are the ones who must pay for such acts( financially and consequentially), while the War profiteers walk off with all the money and their Power preserved.

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Response to dtom67 (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:30 PM

19. don't be sorry.

 

certainly seems to me that we have NO control and little influence over acts committed in our name.
we are the ones who must pay for such acts( financially and consequentially), while the War profiteers walk off with all the money and their Power preserved.


That sounds pretty accurate to me.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 04:32 PM

29. Yep, makes perfect sense? We continue to suffer, and it's our

children that are maimed and traumatized for generations.

Everybody, please buy or check out The Prize and learn about the beginnings and reach of oil. Its a big book, but necessary reading to be apprized of what is going on all over the world.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:30 PM

20. I'd like to add another song to this thread

 

the great Nick Lowe singing his song Peace, Love and Understanding

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Response to cali (Reply #20)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:40 PM

21. thank you.

 


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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:41 PM

22. Nothin' good anyway. n/t

 

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:50 PM

24. Got one thing...

... that's the undertaker.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:54 PM

25. My grandparents would have died in the Holocaust, so I take the "nothing" answer rather personally.


Yes, most wars have done much more harm than good.

But some wars have done more good than harm, and many wars that have done more harm than good have nevertheless done at least some good.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 04:08 PM

28. That one was a bit different

in that an attack on US soil had occurred. We declared war on Japan and when the German high command woke up the next morning, they declared war on us.

These "little" wars for corporate convenience are something else, altogether. They're draining an already starved treasury and the rich and corporate who benefit economically from them aren't contributing to them, at all. It's this sort of thing that has crushed every other empire in the history of the world. The only way for the US to come out of this is to end the wars and cede its empire.

And I don't see the wealthy allowing that for some time.

ETA: my paternal grandfather had read the writing on the wall and started to pull people out of Alsace in the early 30s. My dad was a civilian engineer assigned to the RAF in 1939. He didn't get drafted until 1944.

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