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GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)from the other guy.
Example:
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)I would say that Native Americans may have been in the right to fight against repressive European push through the continent. But, could they have worked together to create an industrial society that lived better with nature? Or would the advancing Peoples just genocided them into nonexistence regardless? I am sorry to say it would probably have been the later.
edit - but I would claim war was being waged on the natives by Europeans. So...
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)5 people wouldn't be here today without that having happened.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)War got them out.
Other terrible things got them in like greed, envy and sabatoge.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)even though they did not officially declare war.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)They registered as required by law, dressed as required by the law, relocated as required by the law, and reported for transport away as required by law. And most of them died for it.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)the jews and others started years before the war.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)The Holocaust only began being planned in 1940 or so, as I understand it. Before then it was just an aspiration.
irisblue
(32,973 posts)EOM
GP6971
(31,146 posts)started as a labor camp. Depressing place......was there a number of years ago
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)Both countries have peaceful and prosperous democracies now. Their citizens seem quite happy not to be ruled by fascists any more.
There is even more peace and prosperity in the Balkans than there was before NATO intervened to stop the atrocities of the early 1990's. Slovenia and Croatia have joined the EU and other countries that were part of Yugoslavia are on a path to join.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)and has not needed to experience death or violence in order to have those traits.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)That's the first thing I thought when I hit the post button
I think I need to ammend or delete.
I didn't make my point which was that of a more Eastern idea of balance in "the whole dern human comedy"
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)I can see a life/death balance. But War is murder. What balances a murder? What balances 100s of thousands?
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)I can't think of any "thing" more beautiful that humans can create (other than children) and war is the ugliest thing humans create.
But yes. I guess ying/yang would have been a little simpler. Tripped on myself
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)dtom67
(634 posts)those EU states that want more potential supply ( LNG) for the proposed Nabucco pipeline.
It is all about resources, as usual.
The atrocities are only important in their potential to provide political cover for government-subsidized corporate expansion(WAR). I do not know why they still bother with this; the idea that Life has intrinsic value( beyond one's own, natch ) seems to lose out to the idea of "humanitarian aid through killing". At least by those that will actually make the decisions. Americans will see the " reason " for War in "________" and change the channel , knowing all they need to know about what the money borrowed in our name is used for.
Sorry; Negative Nancy day for Doubting Thomas.
cannot help it; certainly seems to me that we have NO control and little influence over acts committed in our name.
we are the ones who must pay for such acts( financially and consequentially), while the War profiteers walk off with all the money and their Power preserved.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)we are the ones who must pay for such acts( financially and consequentially), while the War profiteers walk off with all the money and their Power preserved.
That sounds pretty accurate to me.
juajen
(8,515 posts)children that are maimed and traumatized for generations.
Everybody, please buy or check out The Prize and learn about the beginnings and reach of oil. Its a big book, but necessary reading to be apprized of what is going on all over the world.
cali
(114,904 posts)the great Nick Lowe singing his song Peace, Love and Understanding
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)... that's the undertaker.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Yes, most wars have done much more harm than good.
But some wars have done more good than harm, and many wars that have done more harm than good have nevertheless done at least some good.
Warpy
(111,255 posts)in that an attack on US soil had occurred. We declared war on Japan and when the German high command woke up the next morning, they declared war on us.
These "little" wars for corporate convenience are something else, altogether. They're draining an already starved treasury and the rich and corporate who benefit economically from them aren't contributing to them, at all. It's this sort of thing that has crushed every other empire in the history of the world. The only way for the US to come out of this is to end the wars and cede its empire.
And I don't see the wealthy allowing that for some time.
ETA: my paternal grandfather had read the writing on the wall and started to pull people out of Alsace in the early 30s. My dad was a civilian engineer assigned to the RAF in 1939. He didn't get drafted until 1944.