Why It's a Mistake to Conflate Iraq and Syria, Bush and Obama

[michigandem58]

The ideologue, fringe Left who have always contended that Obama was just another Bush - all the time complaining that he wouldn't govern like Bush, by fiat and ignoring Congress - have found that new life has been breathed into their meme by the current situation in Syria. Their cheerleader in chief, Rachel Maddow has for days been beating the drums, drawings eerie (and false) equivalences between George W. Bush's unprovoked attack on Iraq and what may become a considered, limited response by the United States and its allies to Syria's apparent use of chemical weapons.

But Syria of 2013 is not Iraq of 2003, and Barack Obama is not George W. Bush. The differences - both in the circumstance and in the leadership - are vast...

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/08/why-its-mistake-to-conflate-iraq-and.html

[RobertEarl]

1. Because

We have heard the same old "Bombs are the answer" from both.

And it is still the same military. And Syria and Iraq are neighbors.

The similarities and consequences and veiled threats are the same, anyone not blind can see all that.

[MADem]

7. It is NOT the same military--not by a long shot.

We've had eight years of "Obama" flag/general officer promotions, and we've got Hagel as SECDEF.
Since Obama has been President, I haven't seen FauxSnooze on any on-base television sets.

[RobertEarl]

10. And the budget is larger, too!

Now if the budget was like 50% of what it was, and about 50% less generals, and 50% less weapons and we were totally out of Afghanistan and drones were not deployed, that would be a different military. Name changes on the doors and TV are not really all that indicative of change.

[MADem]

15. The sequester has taken a large bite out of the DOD budget.

With every servicemember demobbed, personnel costs go down.

If you think it's all down to "name changes on the doors" there's just no point in conversing.

Your mind is closed, made up.

[RobertEarl]

20. No, I am open

Tell me more. Specifics, if you please.

You stated that names have changed and the TV has changed and not much else. And that a few contractors had their hours cut. A 1% change isn't much.

[VanillaRhapsody]

81. Not just 1% not by a long shot...

you pulled that out of a place where the sun doesnt shine

[hardtravelin]

105. It's still on the TVs at Benning and Bragg

that's where the war fighters live.

The main difference is that we're all tired of fucking war. At least I am, and I'm tired of leaving my family and seeing my goddamn friends die.

[MADem]

110. I haven't been to either of those lately, but I've been to

a half dozen others around the country, and all I see is CNN.

I haven't seen Faux since Bush left office.

[JimDandy]

2. The ideologue fringe 'peoplesview' n/ t

[Bjorn Against]

3. Before attacking others as "ideological" and "fringe" perhaps...

The "People's View" author should take a look in the mirror, because he is about as fringe and ideological as they come.

[Cha]

4. It's not only a mistake..

it's stupid lazy thinking. But, it sells.

but, that can be told until you're blue in the face and it won't change anything.

"It's Iraq!!111"

[davidpdx]

106. +1

You are right, the people screaming Obama=Bush and Syria=Iraq (or Libya) are the same ones that would scream fire at a theater.

[deutsey]

5. I'm not conflating anything

I just don't see how, after two sinkhole wars and tax cuts for the 1% that have practically bankrupted us and left us with deep cuts in our social safety net, we can be thinking of getting involved in yet another war.

[MADem]

9. Two to three days of targeted response against "stuff" is not "boots on the ground" and it's

not "war." It's a slap across the face; it's a "Don't commit crimes against humanity ever again" warning.

No one is going after people--they'll be going after THINGS, like weapons delivery systems and CWs.

Seriously, we are drawing down the military. If we were getting involved in a war, we'd be recruiting, not cutting.

[deutsey]

16. Mmm-hmm

We'll see.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

25. The hell it isn't an act of war.

With all respect due your age and experience, shooting Tomahawk cruise missiles into Syria constitutes an act of war. Neither your opinion nor mine matters on this point. Shooting a cruise missile into another country is an act of war.

[cherokeeprogressive]

29. No way! Guided missiles tipped with hundreds of pounds of high explosives raining down isn't war!

Who in their right mind would think it was?

Sheesh.

It's just a "slap across the face", silly. Prolly not even a very hard one. I mean, I bet it wouldn't even leave a welt. Might even be seen as sort of a, you know, a "love tap".

But an act of war? Just because it's a missile that kills people and blows things up? Get real.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

46. If we were hit with 100 cruise missiles, would we consider it an act of war or a slap in the face?

Nevermind the two 767 aircraft "missiles" that hit New York in 2001 that started a war we are still fighting.

[MADem]

95. We aren't in the midst of a civil war and gassing our "enemies" along with civilians, including

children and the elderly, by the thousands.

By your logic we should have just let Germany do their thing in WW2--not our problem!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

96. First, I think it's now clear that shooting cruise missiles at Syria would be an act of war.

With that out of the way, allow me to remind you that we didn't get into World War 2 to save any oppressed groups, including the Jewish population of Europe. We got into World War II, or at least the European portion of it, because Germany declared war against the United States shortly after Pearl Harbor, and because we wanted to stop Hitler from taking over all of Europe and western Russia. Assad doesn't have capabilities or resources approaching what Hitler had, i.e., he doesn't present an existential danger to the rest of the world like Hitler did.

By YOUR logic, we should be conducting warfare in many more places than we already are. Would you care for a list?

[MADem]

97. I find your justifications for turning your back on this population the opposite of compelling.

No one is advocating killing people. The goal is to deny al-Assad the use of the STUFF he uses to kill people.

I'm astounded at how the same people who gripe about a drone attack that might kill two or three collateral civilians can act like that's the end of the world, pound the table and demand frog marching to the Hague....and then they can turn around and ignore the death of thousands, because responding to that is just not our business...?

Such tortured logic.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

98. You should be busy preparing to attack North Korea

No time to talk about those collateral civilians liberals are always complaining about. We have humanitarian attacks to plan for Saudi Arabia, North Korea, and Mexico.

You're a real war hawk, aren't you?

[MADem]

99. That was an obtuse remark on your part.

I am opposed to targeting any personnel, military or civilian. I would like to see al-Assad deprived of the means to slaughter little kids and their grannies in their beds by the hundreds--but from your comments, I am starting to surmise that's just "OK" with you, is that what you're trying to say?

And if it's not "OK" with you, how do you stop al-Assad from doing that?

I'd really like to know.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

92. You are advocating a clear Act of War.

Japan did a few "targeted" bombings on the US -- we didn't look on it too kindly. Syria would have every right to retaliate against any American target.

[MADem]

94. We weren't gassing Hawaiians. Logic fail. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

6. Even the crayzee hyped up rhetoric can not rescue this from being a retread of dozens

of articles that insisted Iraq was not Vietnam. There were scads of them, written as fast as the minions of the center and right could type. Google 'Iraq Is Not Vietnam' and see them line up by the dozens. It was a specious and tired attempt at argument back then, no better after years of wear and tear.

[markpkessinger]

11. +1000

THANK YOU!

[KurtNYC]

8. Where are the specifics ?

The opinion piece keeps referring to "apparent use of chemical weapons" and that seems a bit vague.

If we are jumping in to bomb the shit out of yet another country, shouldn't we at least know at this point more specifically WHICH chemical weapons?

Knowing exactly which chemical weapons, if any, were used would take us a long way toward knowing where they came from. If we don't even know whether it was VX or sarin or mustard or chlorine based then we don't know shit.

Which sides troops had masks or other protection on at the time it happened?

These seem like basic questions. The fact that the writer ignores them would imply that this isn't about investigating and thinking but rather it is about selling this war by tying it to Obama's more likeable personality.

[G_j]

12. so the entire point if your post

is to attack the left?

[99Forever]

14. That's this one's whole show.

This is why the Democrats are going to get their asses handed to them in the midterms and in 2016. WTG Barack Obama.

[G_j]

26. I guess they don't serve pizza

at this restaurant anymore..

[Hydra]

31. They would if someone else was directing traffic in Washington

But apparently the war on the unbelievers like me is a holy one.

[DevonRex]

13. I am not ready to cede Russia control of the region.

That would be a disaster.

[BlueToTheBone]

27. That's what they said when

we moved into Afghanistan in the 80s. Yikes, the cycle is endless.

[DevonRex]

30. Well, Russia has made their plans public.

As far as spreading out in the ME. They've also done quite a bit of other "spreading out" that most people haven't noticed in other parts of the world. But I have.

And, as a result of recent events, South America isn't exactly in our corner. But several countries there have very close ties with Russia.

I'm looking at this from an alliance standpoint. And things will get much worse.

[cali]

17. not this moran piece of shit liar again. arrgh.

peoples view my ass.

fuckwad.

[Bjorn Against]

24. No, it is actually a people's view of his ass

[nashville_brook]

39. can never be sure if it's satire...the design is so Moose Lodge-y,

i imagine an old man would posting to it under a bare lightbulb in his dingies, with a box fan.

[Aerows]

54. He certainly shows it a lot n/t

[scarletwoman]

36. I was just on a jury for an alert on your post.

It was an idiotic and dishonest alert, and 3 jurors fell for it - thankfully 3 of us did not, so your post was not hidden.

At Wed Aug 28, 2013, 07:42 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

not this moran piece of shit liar again. arrgh.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3553140

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

I have no idea about the poster s/he was castigating, but that is not debate; that's personal attack.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Aug 28, 2013, 07:46 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: "People's View" is the website from which this article came. This post is attacking the author of the article, not the author of the post, so it is not a personal attack.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The alerter has a reading comprehension problem. The person cali was "castigating" is a blogger with his own website, not a poster on DU. Furthermore, I completely agree with cali's assessment of this blogger. He IS a fuckwad.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The post refers to the source article. It could be more diplomatic stating they don't like the source's opinions but not a personal attack on a Duer.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: Rude again Cali.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Too much
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: I don't like to hide posts, and I may not even disagree with the sentiment of the alerted-on post, but it is a personal attack and furthermore adds nothing to the discussion, Sorry, cali .

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

The alerter had no idea what your post was actually about, but didn't give a damn - he/she just wanted to hit the alert button on you.

Juror #4 clearly voted their own agenda, as opposed to examining the actual facts. Jurors #5 and #6 apparently fell for the alerter's misinformation.

I'm very disappointed that the vote was this close, but at least there were 3 of us who were able to prevent your post being hidden on false grounds.

I was juror #2, and as I said in my comment, I totally agree with your assessment of that piece of shit blogger.

sw

[railsback]

47. Well, gee, thanks for being honest

Even though the DU has specific guidelines about violations, you chose to take a giant crap on those guidelines because of your 'feelings'. Isn't that special?

I always said the jury system was a joke.

[scarletwoman]

85. What violation? Calling some blogger who has his own website a fuckwad doesn't violate shit.

The asshat blogger who writes "The Peoples View" is NOT a DUer. DUers are free to call him anything they want.

It's not the jury system that's a joke, it was the alert that was a joke, and totally without merit. If any criticism of the jury system is deserved, it ought to be directed to the three jurors who voted to hide a "personal attack" against a non-DUer who was being QUOTED by the OP. That's just plain idiotic.

[railsback]

91. Right...

There's always a double, triple, quadruple standard at the DU.

And they complain about the Tea Party..

[uppityperson]

108. Thank you Skinner.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=250413&sub=trans

[Union Scribe]

103. +1

Jurors need to read carefully so as not to do the bidding of alert stalkers.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

18. ...

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. Where's the steam? I don't see any steam. n/t

[Aerows]

58. We need more steam

coming off of the pile, CP. I agree.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

93. Better?

[Cooley Hurd]

19. "The ideologue, fringe Left who have always contended that Obama was just another Bush"

Horse shit.

[Aerows]

63. I'm beginning to believe

that horse shit elevates it. I think it's more like elephant shit. Huge mounds of elephant shit, seasoned with chicken shit just so that it stinks so badly you can't miss it.

[shenmue]

21. Anyone who confuses the two

probably confuses coffee and bicycles.

[msongs]

23. astroturfers of the world unite (apologies to karl marx) nt

[David__77]

28. Attacking Syria would be worse.

Certainly an impeachable offense, and giving aid and comfort to al Qaeda.

[DevonRex]

41. "Certainly an impeachable offense, and giving aid and comfort to al Qaeda."

WTF?

[David__77]

43. Why should we intervene on the side of AQ?

Are you not familiar with the fact that they govern the "liberated zones" in league with other radical Islamists, killing "apostates," enforcing sharia, cleansing non-Muslims, etc.? Why should the US spend one penny or life on this?

It's a clear threat to US national security.

[DevonRex]

45. Why would you speak of impeaching PBO and calling him a traitor? nt

[Aerows]

65. Why do you advocate siding with Al-Qaeda

which is what you are doing when you side with the rebels, and don't think people are too ignorant to get that. If we are going to wade into an acid bath, we should at least have a sound reason for doing it, like "think of the children". Not "think of the oil corporations". That is pure nonsense.

[DevonRex]

71. I have not advocated for an attack on Syria. And you need to retract that. nt

[Aerows]

72. You haven't?

Or do you just rec posts that do? Because that kind of sounds like advocating to me.

[DevonRex]

76. There are many reasons to rec posts. And no, I have not decided

what should be done yet. There is far more going on than just Syria. There's a regional power play occurring that's not of our making.

[Aerows]

84. If it isn't of our making

that is like saying that people jumping out of airplanes and surviving isn't parachutes and people coming together.

At some point you have to acknowledge the correlation.

[DevonRex]

87. *snort*

What I've gotten from you tonight are insults followed by complete gibberish. You started this and I'm ending it. Good day.

[freshwest]

86. Impeach Obama! (And FDR, Eisenhower, Carter, Reagan, Etc.)

by Frank James - August 27, 2013

...Based on what we know now, President Obama is as likely to be impeached as he is to be a lottery pick in next year's NBA draft.

Yet it's equally unlikely that calls for his impeachment will end anytime soon. Adding fuel to the fire recently was Obama's old friend from his Senate days, Tom Coburn, R-Okla., who suggested Obama had come "perilously close" to meeting the impeachment threshold.

Freshman Rep. Kent Bentivolio, R-Mich., fanned the flames by saying an Obama impeachment would be a "dream come true," though the lawyers he consulted on the matter told him to keep dreaming.

The congressional summer recess also found Rep. Blake Farenthold, R-Texas, telling his constituents that Republicans "could probably get the votes" in the House to impeach Obama...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/08/27/216156619/impeach-obama-and-fdr-eisenhower-carter-reagan-etc


REPUBLICAN Rep Blake Farenthold from Corpus Christie, Texas

“Duckie Pajamas” Man/Boy Republican Shows up on CNN – Talks Dream Act

http://inyourfaceradio.net/duckie-pajamas-manboy-republican-shows-up-on-cnn-talks-dream-act/

Hey there, Devon Rex. Here we go. I got a bad feeling about this. And a CT on it. But whatever:

Well I don't know why I came here tonight,
I got the feeling that something ain't right,
I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair,
And I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs,
Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you...

[leveymg]

32. Sorry, md58, but "ideologue, fringe Left" doesn't roll like "Peace Puritans." Thanks for playing.

Please accept this variety pack of delicious Frito Lay products as our gift to you.

[OutNow]

33. No, Obama isn't Bush. But maybe he's LBJ

For those of us who are old enough, we can remember two views of LBJ. Since this is the 50th anniversary of the March n Washington we can remember that Johnson was a president that turned against his pals in the southern wing of the Democratic Party and supported the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act and declared a war on poverty that made a real difference in the lives of millions of Americans. But we also remember the LBJ that expanded the war in Vietnam, supported the Tokin Gulf resolution (a false flag operation that never actually happened) and was responsible for the deaths of thousands of American troops and millions of Vietnamese and Laotians.

Many of us were proud Democrats that embraced Johnson for all the good things, but opposed him for the war in Vietnam and formed an antiwar movement that drove him from office and played a large role in ending our involvement in Vietnam.

So don't tell me that good Democrats have to support a Democratic president regardless of his blunders in foreign policy. I'm an Obama supporter and I say NO WAR IN SYRIA.

[HardTimes99]

34. Liar! (Both you and your sources) - nt

[johnnybeogudde]

35. Rumsenvermin

Iraq was begun w/forged documents touted in the State of the Union Address (w/England named as the intelligence); here there is decided reluctance to begin. But the biggest dif I can find is that this time, Rumsfeld didn't sell them the chemical weapons. Why is it that GWB & co can drop illegal phosphorus bombs TWICE on Fellujah (April & Nov/04-It was obvious & immediate retaliation for hanging 4 Blackwater drivers' bodies from a bridge) & he's NOT a war criminal? "Because when the president does it, that means that it's NOT illegal." & you saw all 5 living presidents stand beside each other in solidarity to say so.

[HardTimes99]

88. + Infinity! - nt

[hobbit709]

37. You just don't give up do you.

What new names will you come up with to call us tomorrow?

[Aerows]

68. Can we at least call a vote

to be insulted properly? Something like Libovermin or Democriers. I'd like to be bashed with an appropriate slur.

[rhett o rick]

38. Do you know what a strawman is??? "Why It's a Mistake to Conflate Iraq and Syria, Bush and Obama"

Of course it is. But no one is doing that. And who is this mysterious "ideologue left" that you are so frightened of? Do you have any kind of proof?

Looks to me like "thepeoplesview" is a crap sight.

Besides, I notice that you and your friends arent speaking out to tell us what your opinion is about a preemptive strike on Syria. All you do is disparage the left.

I think we should stay the hell out of Syria, but then I thought we should stay the hell out of Iraq also. Where do you stand?

This looks a lot like a Conspiracy Theory to me.

[jeff47]

61. Uhh....

Of course it is. But no one is doing that.

So...haven't looked that the "Greatest Page" in the last 3 days then?

[whatchamacallit]

40. Must you empty that chamberpot here? n/t

[Vanje]

42. First off, you call opponents of your viewpoint,"ideologue, fringe Left".

Thats not likely to win any converts.

And then you dis my girl friend, Rachel Maddow, who is a staunch and solid liberal, who has a record for supporting Obama.

Assad is horrible.
Using chemical weapons on civilians is HORRIBLE.

But the dreadful situation in Syria, needs solutions other than our nation lobbing bombs at random into , yet another Middle-Eastern powder-keg of simmering instability.

It doesn't work.

Look at Iraq. WMD's or no, Saddam Hussein was a bastard. He's gone now (Yay us!) Thousands died, Thousands and thousands. Some our our people too. We have military members committing suicide. We have returning veterans with PTSD, neurological problems, physical problems....... and the Iraq is a mess.
The hearts and minds of Iraqis were not won. We spent enough money to provide healthcare for all Americans, and what did we get?
And Afghanistan.... That worked out well. We ruined lives of service men and women, drained our treasury, and We seated a government that exemplifies corruption.

And for all the blood and treasure we've spent, the people of Iraq and Afghanistan still dont seem to like us very much.
We've been drone-striking in Pakistan and Yemen..... and yeah, they just love us there. Are we killing people in Somalia yet? Its hard to keep up.

No. This is not the way. This does not help the suffering people in the middle east, and this does not forward any American interest, except , possibly for that of a few war profiteers , and some very nasty military contractors.


We, the People are tired of spending our young generation , and our treasury on shit that doesn't work.

The situation in Syria is awful.
But we know what doesn't work.
We want to help. We're decent that way.
But for Godsake, lets not do what we KNOW doesn't work.

[whatchamacallit]

44. +1 n/t

[winter is coming]

48. Ah, thepeoplesview.net. My go-to source for absolutely nothing. n/t

[Aerows]

55. I guess if you needed

a daily dose of horseshit, anger and ugliness for your garden it could be a go to source.

[QC]

49. The Peehole Spew. n/t

[Scurrilous]

50. K & R

[delrem]

51. GET BACK UNDER THAT BUS, Rachel!

You fringe left ideologue, you, you, you,.... POOPYPANTS!

[Vanje]

52. Egotist! Agenda!

and , horror of horrors, she may have a significant other who has a POLE, for dancing!

[Aerows]

60. Psst...

(said with a hand to her mouth) I hear she's got boxes in her garage.

[QC]

62. I have it on good authority

that she is not especially friendly with her neighbors.

[Aerows]

64. OMG

I heard she didn't stop to pet their dog! *gasp*

[QC]

70. Probably too exhausted from all her pole-dancin'

to play with the dogs.

[Vanje]

78. I am loathe to mention this on a public site....

....but I have a couple of boxes in my garage.



No pole though. So I'm probably okay.

[Aerows]

79. you are deflecting from the fact that you didn't greet your neighbors!

and you probably don't like certain green vegetables, either! I here that's a common trait among miscreants and mischief-doers!

Which is yours? Avocado, Asparagus, Spinach I'll bet you have Spinach issues!

[Aerows]

53. Why it's a mistake to conflate thepeoplesview.net michagandem58 and horseshit posts

Oh wait. That's probably not a mistake at all.

Unrec.

[Fumesucker]

56. The People's View:" Good Riddance Barack Obama"

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2007/10/obama-lost-my-vote-general-election-too.html?m=0

Obama Lost My Vote - General Election, Too

Lest you think this is because I was personally offended as a gay man, you are right. But it wasn't only because of that that I made this decision. I draw the line in the sand when politicians pander to any group and sacrifice their stated goals of equal dignity under law and associate themselves, willingly, with known bigots of any kind, be they racists, sexists or homophobes. This is such a line. Obama has crossed it. Good riddance, Barack Obama.

[Scootaloo]

57. Woah. For a second i was back on RightNation

All this talk of "fringe left" and the evils of Rachel Maddow had me a little disoriented!

[Aerows]

73. You probably

got disoriented from the smells of elephant shit and chicken shit combined as one. I know, it hit me a little, too. I couldn't tell left from right for a second.

[Scootaloo]

75. it is indeed a staggering bouquet. n/t

[Aerows]

77. You never forget the smell, though

I'm sure I've smelled it before, unfortunately ...

[ForgoTheConsequence]

59. Why....

Why is it the same cast of characters who hate Snowden and love the NSA who are in love with the idea of a new war in the middle east? Seems to be a pattern.

[Scootaloo]

69. It IS a pattern

Think back to the political party, Social Democrats, USA. For the most part it was just what it said on the tin, social democrats in the United States. However, it was also a staunchly, almost rabidly anti-communist party. Now, fair enough, everyone gets to have their opinions, but this policy attracted some... characters, particularly in the party's waning days of the 90's to 2005 - namely, the neoconservative shitwhips that brought us PNAC. They basically hijacked the party's name as a cover for their agendas.

Here too we can see the same pattern of neoconservative shitwhippery being draped in the toga of progressive thought. The left is the enemy, war is always good, bow before authority, surveillance is just fine, the media is evil and leftist, the UN is irrelevant and should be ignored.

It's the exact same rhetoric and arguments you will find on any right-wing outlet, but here, it tacks the word "progressive" onto itself, and liberals, who sadly seem to be fairly gullible about this sort of thing, just see the word and assume what's being said must actually be from authentic progressive perspectives

[Aerows]

80. I hate to keep doing this

but +1000 for "shitwips that brought us PNAC".

If you burst out with "Dearest asstunnels", my evening will be complete.

(ref. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asstunnel)

[Chaco Dundee]

66. nicely put

Just because this time around plausible reasons exist as opposed to the irak invasion does not mean,that this intervention is so different.people will die again by design as is the nature of war.the ones who should be taken out,after U.N. Inspections are complete,is Assad and his loyalists.but that option is of the table.how do the gun nuts always rationalize.guns don't kill,I,s people who kill.

[MotherPetrie]

67. So IOW: IOKIYO

[Taverner]

74. And USSR's invasion of Afghanistan was not like our invasion of Vietnam.

But there are...similiarities

[Scootaloo]

83. Similarities?

Yeah, it was a ten-year war that the major power lost. That's... pretty much the only coherent symmetry between the two, though.

[SMC22307]

82. Sports analogies from People's Spew commenters...

sherifffruitfly
• 9 hours ago △ ▽
−
Obama is the quarterback i drafted. I ask that he make the best decision he can in a shitty situation, and that he be honest with us about it. But he's the one calling the audibles, and there's no one I would rather have in that position.

Go Team!

P.S. When does Private Spandan report for duty?

[bluedeathray]

89. No it is NOT a mistake

The criteria they share is vast. Not to say that there aren't differences. Anyone with a map can show you that.

But America's foreign policy has been consistent and violent. And that's just the stuff we can prove. The history of the United States, especially since at least the 60s, shows a constant bloody path.

Trying to find differences between such immoral transgressions shows a lack of empathy, and a willingness to bend morality into a perverted twist of self justifying, de-humanizing, crushingly destructive decisions.

WTF? Ideology at a time like this? We are on an organic satellite hurtling through the universe, seemingly bent on self destruction.

And you want to nit-pick the violent path our "leaders" have set us on?

[SidDithers]

90. DU rec for "ideologue fringe left"...

Sid

[B Calm]

100. Playing the world policeman is the same as Bush.

[dtom67]

101. who's gonna pay for this war .....

Aren't we in the midst of a budget crisis? Doesn't anyone wonder why we have to pare down "entitlements" , yet when its time to dole out tax payer money for killing, we have all the money in the world.
actually, we have credit, not money. The money to pay the defense contractors will be borrowed in our name. I want MY share of what is borrowed put toward my Social Security, not Death for innocents halfway around the World......

[morningfog]

102. People's view? Lol. Some feeble minded nobody.

[dipsydoodle]

104. The mistake would be to not do so.

'nuff said

[4Q2u2]

107. Call this man a Chiropractor

After all the pretzel bending he had to do to form that logic he must be in serious pain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/opinion/bomb-syria-even-if-it-is-illegal.html?_r=0

That is a great opinion piece there, forget the law do what you think is right. Where have we heard that before.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/27/irish-politician-calls-obama-a-war-crimi

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck is a Democrat a duck?

[Whisp]

109. Rachel of the 'Obama has lost the debate and the election' hype?

Yeh, sounds like that Rachel.

phft. Idiotic comparison but it gets the fringes riled up good.