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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:55 AM Aug 2013

Guess WHO's Setting Up The GOP’s NEW VOTE RIGGING SYSTEM?




SUNLIGHT,.....the best disinfectant!......spread the news!...........




The GOP is not out of the election manipulation business yet. Despite the uncovering of Karl Rove’s attempt to hack the election by the hacker collective Anonymous, the Washington Examiner has unveiled how the Republican Party is building a digital network designed to rival, and surpass, Romney’s vote challenger system Orca. For those who do not remember, Orca was a centralized computer system which, on the surface, allowed for direct ties between the election headquarters and the poll challengers, using mobile apps. Orca was Romney’s attempt to out-do Obama’s election machine. As reported by Anonymous, Orca held a darker secret, and was set up to manipulate the election in a similar manner to what is theorized happened in 2004 with Ohio where a server went dead for 90 minutes in the middle of an election, and the tabulation miraculously flipped from John Kerry to George W. Bush.




This new system, being developed by former Facebook engineer Andy Barkett, the Republican National Committee’s chief technology officer, looks capable of allowing even more insidious poll and vote manipulation than ever before. The plan involves intrusive data scrubbing through detailed observation, using set-top boxes such as those provided by your cable provider to analyze viewing habits on an individual household level. It also scrubs social media to selectively target voters for advertising. Combining the two, the GOP is plotting on becoming Big Brother, and they plan on having it ready for a dry run for the 2014 elections, securing candidates which have the approval of the party bosses while eliminating competition, such as Tea Party wildcards who all but destroyed Mitt Romney’s chances in 2012 though comments such as “legitimate rape.”



How such a system would work is relatively simple. They can keep track of your viewing and browsing habits, seeing an individual or families likes and dislikes. Then they coordinate this data with advertisement centers, such as News Corp to target them specifically. Find out a person is anti-gun, they make sure pro-gun advertising and endorsements of candidates do not get distributed. Find out that same person loves kittens, new flyer arrives with the national parties chosen candidate holding a baby calico. Then combine that level of detail with the vote challengers which the party has regularly employed. Now they can be incredibly selective of challenges, making sure that they only challenge the people who, through their media exposure, would be disinclined to vote for the parties chosen candidate. All through the vote challengers smartphone. This is direct, immediate, and ultimately the disenfranchisement undermines the goals of democracy itself.



To alleviate the fears that the national party will be manipulating or controlling the polling results and voter turnout, they have claimed to have turned over the keys to this system to a private company. However, basic research reveals that this private company, Data Trust, is not some independent group but instead is a group managed by Karl Rove. The same man who threw a fit on-air when his system failed to steal the election in 2012. Karl Rove is preparing his next move, and this time it is no longer for a candidate, but for a nation. One nation under Rove. He is the kingmaker. And he has no love of the Tea Party. With this system in place expect a massacre of Tea Party candidates nationwide.


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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/29/gop-picks-karl-rove-to-run-new-voter-fraud-system/
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Guess WHO's Setting Up The GOP’s NEW VOTE RIGGING SYSTEM? (Original Post) Segami Aug 2013 OP
" The Republican Party have decided... Segami Aug 2013 #1
Credibility ZERO Coyotl Aug 2013 #2
A closed mind is certain. bahrbearian Aug 2013 #3
like results never get flipped? questionseverything Aug 2013 #8
What's that got to do with it? Coyotl Aug 2013 #9
you could not have read article in that 2 minuetes questionseverything Aug 2013 #10
my bad connell not oconnell questionseverything Aug 2013 #11
Oh yeah, pile on the falsehoods by adding another false flag, cover-up story onto your first falsity Coyotl Aug 2013 #19
first falsity? questionseverything Aug 2013 #33
Beware where you place your trust. Do your own homework Coyotl Aug 2013 #36
bookmarking -- this is very useful information! nashville_brook Aug 2013 #4
It is a pile of disinformation! Coyotl Aug 2013 #20
I don't doubt it for a nanosecond. There is a *reason Buscho was so set on installing this crap. silvershadow Aug 2013 #5
The Republicans are cheating and stealing again Blue Owl Aug 2013 #6
Scuzzy evil, anti-American values = Republicons Berlum Aug 2013 #7
Let's face it, for Republicans, democracy is the enemy. Maineman Aug 2013 #12
It's time for on-line voting pandr32 Aug 2013 #13
Too easily hacked, especially with a large electorate. mwooldri Aug 2013 #15
Such a terrible idea. The benefits you tout are all present in a vote by mail system such Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #16
I agree that people love paper ballots pandr32 Aug 2013 #32
on line voting can never be made secure questionseverything Aug 2013 #34
I personally like vote by mail davidpdx Aug 2013 #37
the problem with vote by mail is questionseverything Aug 2013 #39
I don't think anything is 100% secure davidpdx Aug 2013 #42
Oh yeah, trade in a system that has controls for on ripe for abuse. BAD IDEA! Coyotl Aug 2013 #21
Democracy Has Been Dead A Long Time - This Is The Coffin Nail cantbeserious Aug 2013 #14
We knew and now know that Unknown Beatle Aug 2013 #17
Actually, we don't know that. Coyotl Aug 2013 #22
Are you the cops? Rex Aug 2013 #26
Yes. Coyotl Aug 2013 #30
Why would they be in prison? They scoffed at Congress Rex Aug 2013 #28
that is a good point questionseverything Aug 2013 #40
All voting should be paper or mechanical devices. We never needed, nor will we need computer voting! reformist2 Aug 2013 #18
What about access for disabled? Coyotl Aug 2013 #23
What about it? reformist2 Aug 2013 #25
They are called ramps. Rex Aug 2013 #27
Voting ramps? Coyotl Aug 2013 #31
.... questionseverything Aug 2013 #41
how many elections does Rove have to lose before they malaise Aug 2013 #24
He was able to steal two elections for them Rex Aug 2013 #29
If the GOP wants to remain viable... Mr_Jefferson_24 Aug 2013 #35
That is the scary thing davidpdx Aug 2013 #38
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
1. " The Republican Party have decided...
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:04 AM
Aug 2013

...that they have nothing to lose by committing voter fraud. After all, it is the only way they will ever win another election...."

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
2. Credibility ZERO
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 10:05 AM
Aug 2013

Anyone who believes that BS about a hacker group posing as Anon is really full of it and should be ignored.

questionseverything

(9,659 posts)
8. like results never get flipped?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 12:08 PM
Aug 2013

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7875

is because we do not actually count our votes and no one seems to track the reporting systems....so the wrong pols get into office

in the article from the link i provided in the Ak primary in '10 the results from the 19th to the 25th change drastically

total voters go from 3393 to 2159

repubs go from 2793 to 94

dems go from 600 to 2065

and no official can explain why but we collectively accept the results as accurate
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
9. What's that got to do with it?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 12:10 PM
Aug 2013

Please don't answer the question with another useless aside--address the issue I raised of the fake anon bullshit story.

questionseverything

(9,659 posts)
10. you could not have read article in that 2 minuetes
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 12:22 PM
Aug 2013

and i do not know if anons story is accurate or not but the article i posted PROVES vote results do get flipped....which is what anon said they protected against,,,so wether anon did it or not someone sure better do it

i will also give current admins team some credit because they knew exactly which areas had reported and which were out and how many votes were in those areas(they kind of pre counted the vote)

in '04 it was a mirror site that handled the flip,a site set up by mike oconnell,roves last tech guy,,,ask oconnell's widow about that

questionseverything

(9,659 posts)
11. my bad connell not oconnell
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 12:26 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6214

Rove Threatened GOP IT Guru If He Does Not 'Take the Fall' for Election Fraud in Ohio, Says Attorney


Letter Sent to Attorney General Mukasey Requesting 'Protection for Mr. Connell and His Family From This Reported Attempt to Intimidate a Witness' After Tip from 'Credible Source'
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
19. Oh yeah, pile on the falsehoods by adding another false flag, cover-up story onto your first falsity
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:17 PM
Aug 2013

Wow, do you believe everything on the intertubes?

In '04 Ohio voted 3/4 punchcards and the counties counted the vote, then reported it. The SmarTECH thing is a cover-up story to hide how the ballots were vote-switched before they were counted. How Kerry votes were switched to Bush votes has been proven.

questionseverything

(9,659 posts)
33. first falsity?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:05 PM
Aug 2013

i trust bradblog as a source,blackboxvoting.org and velvet revolution

and i gave links...do you have a link for ur theory?

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
5. I don't doubt it for a nanosecond. There is a *reason Buscho was so set on installing this crap.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 11:35 AM
Aug 2013

There is *no earthly reason whatsoever it is necessary to "computerize" elections.

Blue Owl

(50,498 posts)
6. The Republicans are cheating and stealing again
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 11:35 AM
Aug 2013

The only way Republicans can "win" is by lying, cheating, and stealing.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
7. Scuzzy evil, anti-American values = Republicons
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 11:37 AM
Aug 2013

Republicans really do HATE the American system of democracy.

pandr32

(11,612 posts)
13. It's time for on-line voting
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 12:31 PM
Aug 2013

...on a secure official government department site (voting.gov). No more electronic voting machines, paper ballots, polls that are easier to get to in some districts than others, etc. Every citizen upon turning eighteen, or when becoming naturalized, would be able to sign in with their own PIN and vote during elections. An open voting period of say... one month prior to the election day cut-off would apply to everyone and eliminate mail-in ballots because any place in the world that has Wifi would allow a traveler or service-member to vote in time. For many, we could vote from home, but senior centers could provide computer access and assistance--as could churches, schools, libraries, etc. We could have volunteers get out and help disabled people get set up. Each person, upon voting once, would get a confirmation and could either record the number or print out the page for back-up/proof.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
15. Too easily hacked, especially with a large electorate.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:03 PM
Aug 2013

Let's presume it is a narrow race. Hack the system, change some votes. Would the individual who had their vote stolen come forward and challenge it? How would they know what their vote was for?

If the system was hacked in such a way that there is no way to tell who broke in or what changes were made to a certain people's vote...

I argue for paper ballots, counted by hand. I would also advocate for numbered ballot papers so that ballot box stuffing is obvious, and voters could retrieve their ballot paper. It is a system that works well. Until the voting process can be made extremely secure and tamper proof, online voting would have to remain in the experimental stage.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
16. Such a terrible idea. The benefits you tout are all present in a vote by mail system such
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:07 PM
Aug 2013

as the ones already in use in Oregon and in Washington. 'No more paper ballots' is not a benefit, that is a huge drawback and it is very unpopular with the people. We love our paper ballots, we have zero electronic voting machines, no polling places to visit or manipulate and we get our ballots for 2 weeks during which time we can vote freely. What you call 'election day' we call 'the last day of voting'.
Your plan excludes voter who have no internet access, requires them to travel to such access then use a computer they might not trust. It is unfair to rural voters, elderly, and to those who just don't care for the internet not to mention those who can not afford a computer and internet services. Why should anyone have to 'get set up' to vote? Why should disabled people have to have 'volunteers' come to 'help them'?
The idea is to make voting easier, not more complex, and more secure, not less secure. You want fundie churches to be 'assisting' voters with voting? Why on earth is that a good idea?

pandr32

(11,612 posts)
32. I agree that people love paper ballots
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 02:13 PM
Aug 2013

and on-line voting could be phased in over a period of time. Again, it would be a secure government site--much like the IRS has for storing our tax returns. It could be possible to print out completed ballots and have county drop-offs as a back-up. This is only an idea I thought about when reading all the stories about voter suppression--limiting polling places and voting hours in heavily democratic areas. Who can forget the voting machines owned by a company connected to Tag Romney? Or the hanging chad disaster in Florida? What about provisional ballots? Votes are already hacked, discounted, or outright denied. People are intimidated and abused by others who try to prevent them from voting. Even the several hours long line-ups are a form of abuse.
As for volunteers helping others--they already do.

questionseverything

(9,659 posts)
34. on line voting can never be made secure
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:10 PM
Aug 2013

and it can never be overseen by the average citizen...that is what is needed,a system that is totally transparent from beginning to end...otherwise it is just a "trust me" system

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
37. I personally like vote by mail
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 09:42 AM
Aug 2013

I'm from Oregon and it allows me plenty of time to decide how I'm going to vote and to fill out my ballot. Brad of Bradblog has stated that vote by mail is fraud waiting to happen. I strongly disagreed with him on that one. If nothing else it gives elections officials a better shot at catching fraud then at the polls. Also as you stated it helps the elderly and disabled vote.

questionseverything

(9,659 posts)
39. the problem with vote by mail is
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 10:21 AM
Aug 2013

an insider could easily "vote" the ballot of voters who are inactive...unfortunately the fraud usually comes from election officials and absentee ballots,not saying that has happened in oregon,just that vote by mail could allow for that....nothing is secure as voting in person at ur precinct and hand counting the paper ballots BEFORE they are moved and then following the reporting of those results and the totaling of results (so they do not flip all over as i showed in first link)

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
42. I don't think anything is 100% secure
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 08:58 PM
Aug 2013

They have caught fraud taking place as in the case in Clackamas County. That's why it's important any area that has ballots has surveillance to ensure someone isn't tampering will ballots.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
21. Oh yeah, trade in a system that has controls for on ripe for abuse. BAD IDEA!
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:20 PM
Aug 2013

Ask any election integrity expert and you will find a unanimous consensus that on-line voting is not even constitutional on privacy grounds, not to mention a totally bad idea for security reasons.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
17. We knew and now know that
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:09 PM
Aug 2013

Pig Rove and his ilk have stolen elections, and I'm sure there's proof of it.

So why aren't they in prison? What kind of games are the PTB playing on us? Wall St. obviously is breaking the law but they get TARP money. Rove is desperately trying to destroy our country through election theft. These are knowns, but where is Holder? Where is justice?

Smoke a joint, go to jail; steal trillions from unsuspecting customers, get TARP money; steal elections for the GOP, get a guest spot on FOX and millions of dollars from cronies.

FUCK!

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
22. Actually, we don't know that.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:21 PM
Aug 2013

If you are sure there is proof, show the rest of the planet so we can start arresting people.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
26. Are you the cops?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:27 PM
Aug 2013

Why do you assume anyone will get arrested? Your hair on fire response in this thread is entertaining to say the least.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
28. Why would they be in prison? They scoffed at Congress
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:28 PM
Aug 2013

and nothing happened, they started an illegal war and nothing happened. Some animals are above the law.

questionseverything

(9,659 posts)
41. ....
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 10:44 AM
Aug 2013

one example of an impossible result in ohio 04

• Total number of votes received by Bush in Gahanna, Ohio,Ward 1B: 4,258

• Total number of ballots cast in Gahanna, Ohio, Ward 1B: 638

malaise

(269,157 posts)
24. how many elections does Rove have to lose before they
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:25 PM
Aug 2013

send that scumbag ReTHUG packing. He must be keeping secrets on all of them.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
29. He was able to steal two elections for them
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:29 PM
Aug 2013

so I guess until he steals so much money from his own party...nah not even then.

Mr_Jefferson_24

(8,559 posts)
35. If the GOP wants to remain viable...
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:05 AM
Aug 2013

... they have no choice but to rig elections. I think electronic vote flipping is responsible for many of their wins over the last 10 years.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
38. That is the scary thing
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 09:46 AM
Aug 2013

They know they are going to get trounced if they don't find a way to steal elections on a regular basis now. There was a lot of talk about what they may have had planned for 2012 which may or may not have been true. Thankfully Obama won big in so many of the swing states they never had a chance.

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