Border Check Point Officer vs Young Woman in Car 'IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS'

[Segami]

"You're holding up traffic! Not me. Am I being detained?"

"My name is none of your business." Shut up and go to secondary.

[msongs]

1. depends on whether this is real or acting out a script nt

[grasswire]

2. brave young woman

standing up for her constitutional rights.

[ohheckyeah]

3. I had to go through a stupid check point

every damn day for work. The checkpoint was over 20 miles from the border and it was just a pain in the ass. They never asked to search my car but from what I can see this looks like one of the checkpoints north of Nogales, AZ.

[panader0]

19. 20 miles? The Station from Sierra Vista to Tucson is about 50 miles from the border.

I have hated the stops forever. Apparently, the dogs can smell if you are not a US citizen. Otherwise it's no different from NYC's "stop and frisk" laws.

[ohheckyeah]

24. This was the checkpoint

north of Nogales at Tubac, AZ. It is actually a little less than 20 miles.

[NutmegYankee]

4. She should have asked why she was being detained and under what probably cause.

Obviously they had none.

[lumpy]

5. Nice girl trying to prove a point. She didn't get a citation but the only point she proved is that

she is willing to hinder the police in trying to do their jobs.

[Travis_0004]

6. Maybe if they were not harassing citizens they wouldn't have a problem

I have no problem with border patrol at the border, but what is the point of having it 20 miles away?

They should not be able to just stop somebody with probably cause. I feel the same way about DUI checkpoints. I wish everybody would harass them, and make them so ineffective they stop doing them.

[lumpy]

8. DUI checkpoints have probably prevented a lot of accidents from happening.

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[Travis_0004]

9. And stop and frisk catches a lot of criminals.

I suppose you support that as well?

[JI7]

11. not the same thing

one targets certain people based on how they look and we know what that usually means.

the other affects everyone equally. and doesn't violate in the way stop and frisk does personally.

[Tikki]

13. You have 'stop and frisk' check points?...where's that?

Tikki

[lumpy]

16. Off subject, sorry. To quote the young lady at the checkpoint "It's none of your business."

whether I support stop and frisk.

[Gravitycollapse]

10. Except the efficacy of DUI checkpoints has never been proven.

And, in fact, they might hinder other better ways of patrolling for drunk drivers.

[ohheckyeah]

12. They aren't the police....

they are either immigration or border patrol. They had no reason to detain her or they would have.

[TransitJohn]

22. Oy vey. eom

n/t

[bananas]

27. No - They weren't doing their jobs - which is why the supervisor told her to go

At first the supervisor assumed they had a reason to detain her.
When he found out they didn't, he immediately told her to go.
If the underlings were doing their job, they would have told her to go.

Instead, they were just farting around, wasting time, wasting their time, wasting her time, wasting their supervisors time, wasting DPS time (who were still on their way when the supervisor told her to go), and wasting the time of everyone they backed up in traffic.

[struggle4progress]

7. As a general rule, I don't go to fizzy-drink ads for credible legal advice. My own advice,

as a non-lawyer, is not to be a jerk -- and don't yammer too much.

If they ask me to pull over while they investigate, I'll pull over so other folk could go by. She's right on the car search IMO, but she could have had that argument on the shoulder if necessary. I never heard anyone ask to search her car, so most of the yammering about that was pointless noise

I don't know for sure the status of a Federal request, to see the drivers license, but I'd expect that if push came to shove, the courts would hold that exhibiting a driver's license at an immigration checkpoint was a de minimis intrusion, and part of a reasonable attempt to check that people were providing coherent self-accounts. Certainly, if state or local authorities show up because you're blocking the road, the fact that you're behind the wheel is going to create an immediate impression in almost anyone's mind that a license request is reasonable -- and they're NOT then going to take the view that you can show then your license but only with your name covered up

I myself never seen a driver's license that shows citizenship status, though I suppose some states might include that info now -- but if so, I will think it odd, as US citizenship is a Federal status, not a state status

[dmr]

14. Michigan has an Enhanced DL.

It shows your citizenship so you can pass through Canada, Mexico, Bermuda or the Caribbean. It costs a little bit more than the regular DL.

My son has one, I don't.

[struggle4progress]

15. Didn't know about that, but it looks like only four US states offer it, all of them along

the Canadian border

[Marrah_G]

17. This girl is being completely obnoxious

[ohheckyeah]

18. That's what they said....

isn't it great?

[Marrah_G]

20. actually I don't think it is

[ohheckyeah]

25. If you ever had to go through those damn

checkpoints every day you might feel differently.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

26. Good. As a U.S. citizen, I'm proud of her.

[Harmony Blue]

21. A brave woman

and to those that are willing to surrender their freedom so willingly.

Go play in a lake full of gators.

[MineralMan]

23. While the woman is correct and while there are other videos

showing similar incidents, that doesn't mean that it makes sense to try this at Immigration checkpoints.

I've been through many of these, and have never been detained at all. Normally, they just wave me through. If I was asked to stop, I'd answer the simple questions they ask, which are never shown in these videos, and go on my way.

A guy can insist on refusing to do this, and will probably get to move on, but it's a lot simpler to just answer their questions, if they ask any.

It's a choice. We all make choices.