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world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 03:28 AM Aug 2013

Really?!!!

Are we really going to bomb another country that hasn't attacked us?
This involves the entire middle east from Israel to Afghanistan not to mention Russia and China. Our entire country opposes the idea. Something like 9% support the idea.
The world will be pissed at us.
The country will become even more divided that it was thought possible.

What could go wrong?

Is it time to say that if we are actually going to do this in a effort to stop countries from using chemical warfare, that we should just bomb the shit out of them and wipe Syria off the face of the map. That would DEFINITELY send the message!
I mean, if you're going to play God... you better be almighty!
What are we going to accomplish?

Are you sure this is the way to go?

Hey!.. how about this... Give peace a chance and lets see what happens just for kicks.

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Really?!!! (Original Post) world wide wally Aug 2013 OP
Peace?! Oakenshield Aug 2013 #1
Give peace a chance? The Straight Story Aug 2013 #2
the potential ramifications are damned dire cali Aug 2013 #3
We live in a political world deutsey Aug 2013 #4

Oakenshield

(614 posts)
1. Peace?!
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 06:27 AM
Aug 2013

We spend more money on our military than the next 26 countries combined. You think we blow all this money on cool gadgets and guns so people can spread compassion and other liberal sentiments? This is Murika! We like bombing brown people, and if you're not with us you can just high tail it out of this one and only free country.

Edit: Yes this is satire.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
2. Give peace a chance?
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 06:41 AM
Aug 2013

(from an earlier post I made)

2001 November - British PM Tony Blair visits to try shore up support for the campaign against terror. He and President Assad fail to agree on a definition of terrorism.

2002 May - Senior US official includes Syria in a list of states that make-up an "axis of evil", first listed by President Bush in January. Undersecretary for State John Bolton says Damascus is acquiring weapons of mass destruction.

2003 April - US threatens sanctions if Damascus fails to take what Washington calls the "right decisions". Syria denies US allegations that it is developing chemical weapons and helping fugitive Iraqis.

2004 May - US imposes economic sanctions on Syria over what it calls its support for terrorism and failure to stop militants entering Iraq.

2006 September - Attack on the US embassy in Damascus. Four gunmen open fire and throw grenades but fail to detonate a car bomb. Three of them are killed, one is captured.

2007 April - US House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi meets President Assad in Damascus. She is the highest-placed US politician to visit Syria in recent years. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice meets Foreign Minister Walid Muallem the following month in the first contact at this level for two years.

2007 May - Leading dissident Kamal Labwani and prominent political writer Michel Kilo are sentenced to a long jail terms, only weeks after human rights lawyer Anwar al-Bunni is jailed.

2007 September - Israel carries out an aerial strike against a site in northern Syria that it said was a nuclear facility under construction. In 2011 the UN's IAEA nuclear watchdog decides to report Syria to the UN Security Council over its alleged covert nuclear programme reactor programme at the site.

2008 April - The US accuses North Korea of having helped Syria to build a secret nuclear reactor at the site bombed by Israel in 2007.

2009 June - The UN nuclear watchdog, the IAEA, says traces of undeclared man-made uranium have been found at second site in Syria - a reactor in Damascus. The IAEA was investigating US claims that the site destroyed in the 2007 Israeli raid was a nuclear reactor.

2010 May - US renews sanctions against Syria, saying that it supports terrorist groups, seeks weapons of mass destruction and has provided Lebanon's Hezbollah with Scud missiles in violation of UN resolutions.

2011 May - Army tanks enter Deraa, Banyas, Homs and suburbs of Damascus in an effort to crush anti-regime protests. US and European Union tighten sanctions. President Assad announces amnesty for political prisoners.

2011 October - Newly formed Syrian National Council says it has forged a common front of internal and exiled opposition activists. Russia and China veto UN resolution condemning Syria.

2011 December - Syria agrees to an Arab League initiative allowing Arab observers into the country. Thousand of protesters gather in Homs to greet them, but the League suspends its mission in January because of worsening violence.

2012 February - Russia and China block a UN Security Council draft resolution on Syria, and the government steps up the bombardment of Homs and other cities, recapturing the Homs district of Baba Amr the following month. The UN says that more than 7,500 people have died since the security crackdown began.

2012 March - UN Security Council endorses non-binding peace plan drafted by UN envoy Kofi Annan. China and Russia agree to support the plan after an earlier, tougher draft is modified. The UN statement falls short of a formal resolution, and violence continues into the summer.

Turkey changes rules of engagement after Syria shoots down a Turkish plane that strayed into its territory, declaring that if Syrian troops approach Turkey's borders they will be seen as a military threat.

2012 August - The government suffers further blows. A UN General Assembly resolution demands that President Assad resign, high-level defections gather pace - most notably Prime Minister Riad Hijab - and US President Obama warns that use of chemical weapons would tilt the US towards intervention.

2013 January - Syria accuses Israeli jets of attacking a military research centre near Damascus, but denies reports that lorries carrying weapons bound for Lebanon were hit. Unverified reports say Israel had targeted an Iranian commander charged with moving weapons of mass destruction to Lebanon.

2013 April - US and Britain demand investigation into reports government forces used chemical weapons. Prime Minister Wael Nader Al-Halqi narrowly escapes death in bomb attack in centre of Damascus.

2013 August - Rebels and Western governments accuse pro-Assad forces of using chemical weapons in an attack that killed more than 300 people near Damascus. The Syrian government says it was the rebels that used chemical weapons. The US and Britain take contingency measures for possible military action. Russia and China warn against any attack on Syria.


Full time line here (MUCH more detail):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14703995

How about the congo, where we have given peace a chance to the tune of 5.4 million now dead (UN has been there for 14 years, still have 45,000/month dying) ? I could see if we were discussing our weird trade agreements with Lethoso (worth reading about) and their child labor laws.

Give the green light now (or keep giving it in this case) for using chemical weapons and why should anyone else comply.

And lastly ----- What is anyone going to do about it if we do take out some of their air defense sites and such? If they WON'T do something about some dictator using chemical weapons (again) then why should we worry they would do anything about us responding?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. the potential ramifications are damned dire
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 06:54 AM
Aug 2013

they include but are not limited to:

Assad's resolve being hardened. He becomes even more aggressive.

More H'zbollah fighters flooding into Syria to fight for the regime.

More Iranian and other fighters flooding in to fight for the regime.

More fighters from outside Syria flooding in to join rebel factions

The Syrian conflict bleeding into neighboring countries as is happening in Lebanon

Iran, H'zbollah or some other actor attacking Israel

Israel striking back and bombing, for instance, Lebanon or god forbid Iran

Blowback against U.S. interests

The closing of the Straits of Hormuz



I hope people get the idea.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
4. We live in a political world
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:33 AM
Aug 2013

Love don’t have any place
We’re living in times where men commit crimes
And crime don’t have a face

We live in a political world
Icicles hanging down
Wedding bells ring and angels sing
Clouds cover up the ground

We live in a political world
Wisdom is thrown into jail
It rots in a cell, is misguided as hell
Leaving no one to pick up a trail

We live in a political world
Where mercy walks the plank
Life is in mirrors, death disappears
Up the steps into the nearest bank

We live in a political world
Where courage is a thing of the past
Houses are haunted, children are unwanted
The next day could be your last

We live in a political world
The one we can see and can feel
But there’s no one to check, it’s all a stacked deck
We all know for sure that it’s real

We live in a political world
In the cities of lonesome fear
Little by little you turn in the middle
But you’re never sure why you’re here

We live in a political world
Under the microscope
You can travel anywhere and hang yourself there
You always got more than enough rope

We live in a political world
Turning and a-thrashing about
As soon as you’re awake, you’re trained to take
What looks like the easy way out

We live in a political world
Where peace is not welcome at all
It’s turned away from the door to wander some more
Or put up against the wall

We live in a political world
Everything is hers or his
Climb into the frame and shout God’s name
But you’re never sure what it is

Read more: http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/political-world#ixzz2dXsRrRCO

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