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Sun Sep 1, 2013, 02:58 PM

US attorney in Seattle says Wash medical pot system 'not tenable' in light of feds' guidance

Washington's medical marijuana system is "not tenable" in light of new guidance from the U.S. Justice Department about its pot-related enforcement priorities, the chief federal prosecutors in the state said Thursday.

The warning came after the agency said it will allow the states of Washington and Colorado to move forward with plans to tax and regulate recreational marijuana sales.

In written statements, U.S. Attorney Jenny Durkan in Seattle and U.S. Attorney Michael Ormsby in Spokane promised the feds won't hesitate to go after people operating outside the legal framework set up by Washington voters last fall.

The state legalized medical use of marijuana in 1998 but never offered many options for how patients are supposed to obtain the pot. They can grow it themselves or allow someone to grow it for them, but medical marijuana dispensaries are not allowed under state law.

Nevertheless, such dispensaries have proliferated with no oversight by state government or controls on where the marijuana comes from or where it goes. Federal authorities have raided some they deem to be fronts for criminal activity.

"The continued operation and proliferation of unregulated, for-profit entities outside of the state's regulatory and licensing scheme is not tenable and violates both state and federal law," the nearly identical statements from the prosecutors said. "While our resources are limited, we will continue to enforce federal law in this arena."


http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/2f56238d194f4a309188a215de990ed9/WA--Legalizing-Marijuana-Wash

http://www.king5.com/news/marijuana/Two-Pot-Systems-221875611.html

Key officials helping to create Washington state's potentially lucrative recreational pot market say its success may hinge on preventing consumers from choosing to get high on readily available medical cannabis because of low and sometimes nonexistent taxes on it.

The officials say it may be necessary to raise taxes or impose more stringent rules on medical pot to avoid undercutting the new recreational market and the tax dollars it is expected to inject into state coffers. Many "patients," they say, are in reality heavy recreational users who fake or exploit their maladies.

The idea of changing the rules for medical marijuana alarms some patients and providers of the drug as medicine.

Under current state law, a range of medical professionals, including naturopaths and even some nurses can recommend marijuana for health problems ranging from cancer to persistent pain. While Washington state has no patient registry for the drug, officials in Colorado, which also has medical marijuana, have said the overwhelmingly male and relatively young demographics of their patient population line up with statistics for recreational consumers of the drug.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/15/washington-state-medical-marijuana_n_3283035.html

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Reply US attorney in Seattle says Wash medical pot system 'not tenable' in light of feds' guidance (Original post)
Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 OP
mike_c Sep 2013 #1
Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #2
jmowreader Sep 2013 #6
mick063 Sep 2013 #3
99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #4
Scuba Sep 2013 #16
customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #5
jmowreader Sep 2013 #7
customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #14
jmowreader Sep 2013 #18
customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #19
mick063 Sep 2013 #9
customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #15
mick063 Sep 2013 #21
customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #22
Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2013 #8
Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #12
Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #10
nebenaube Sep 2013 #11
Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2013 #13
bluestate10 Sep 2013 #17
Billy Love Sep 2013 #20

Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 03:05 PM

1. U.S. Attorneys will have to be forcibly reined in....

As long as they have the autonomy to go after the low hanging fruit, dispensaries and other providers will be at significant risk of prosecution, no matter what Holder says. We need federal rescheduling of Cannibis. Nothing less will rein in the predatory U.S. Attorneys looking to add successful prosecutions to their records.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 03:11 PM

2. I think this is a clear signal to the state legislature to pass a dispensary regulation bill.

 

Although it seems like having a medical marijuana system becomes kind of redundant when pot is legal. Just pull down the green crosses and open the doors to everybody.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 04:04 PM

6. Not really

Washington plans to tax recreational weed like liquor and medicinal weed like a pharmaceutical...hence the desire of many people who use it for pleasure to get MMJ cards.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 03:11 PM

3. My State better pick and choose it's battles wisely.

 

One of the primary "selling" points to politicians is tax revenue. Ultimately, growing it at home will not find sanctioned sympathy.

Keeping the tax rates reasonable should be the primary goal. Perhaps an exemption for medical users is in order, but I dislike tax exemptions as they complicate tax code and create excuses for loop holes.

For me, the right answer is a flat, reasonable tax for both medical and recreational use. An attempt to segregate them would be legislatively cumbersome and difficult to enforce.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 03:34 PM

4. I wish "the feds" would take all that enthusiasm for busting "criminal elements" to Wall St.

 

where it belongs.

Holders recent announcement was hopefully a step in right direction.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 06:38 PM

16. +1

 

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 03:36 PM

5. I guess they have nothing better to do

After all, it's not like young punks are beating WWII veterans to death in Washington State, right?

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 04:07 PM

7. They caught the punks

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 06:14 PM

14. My point is

there aren't more severe crimes to be worried about than people selling pot?

Would you agree with me that these prosecutors need some better focus on what to go after?

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #14)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 08:37 PM

18. Oh, absolutely

Problem is, around these parts the most common lament is, "why aren't they sending prosecutors to Wall Street?" Well, because when the banksters on Wall Street were running America into the ground, the shit they were doing was legal.

So yes, I agree that there are more severe crimes than pot.

Another thing: consider the veteran who was beaten to death in Spokane. Without implementing a "Minority Report"-style system of justice and throwing people in jail for things they might do five years down the road, how could you really have kept this from happening?

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 09:41 PM

19. For starters

I don't expect prosecutors in WA state to do too much about Wall Street, that's pretty much a job for them where I live.

As for the vet, I just plucked it out of my brain when I saw the word "Spokane" in the OP. While I agree that it was certainly a relatively rare thing for any part of WA, somewhere between the two extremes of selling pot and beating up old men, there's a happy medium for US attorneys to be working on.

You're right, I really don't see how it could have been prevented. I lived in WA for 37 years, and it's shocking especially that this happened in Spokane, which I think of as a relatively mellow part of that state.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 04:26 PM

9. You sound like Fox news to me.

 

Honestly. You do.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 06:15 PM

15. I can't say I watch them because I only have antenna TV

But maybe they've gone pro-pot when I wasn't looking. Was that what you were trying to say?

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #15)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 10:22 PM

21. I apologize

 

I interpreted the context differently from what you intended.

It seemed as though you were saying that pot legislation was trivial with street thugs on the loose.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #21)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 11:10 PM

22. Accepted

Perhaps my responses to the other post convinced you that I wasn't some sort of reich winger. I certainly hope for the day when pot is dealt with the same way as alcohol. I'm from WA state, lived there 37 years, and am proud that it's a truly progressive place to be. NY is somewhat, but not as much as you'd think. I doubt equal marriage would have done as well here as it did in WA.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 04:19 PM

8. Bad legislation writing.

 

In CA, they didn't write laws regulating the growers. The growers have no legal protections while transporting it to the dispensaries.

The legislature assumed the plant would magically appear at the dispensaries or something.

When I was in law school I took a course called "Legislation", which was about how to write laws properly.

A lot of the laws state and fed legislatures are passing fall under "Void for vagueness" (like baggy pants laws) and "Unconstitutional on its face" (restrictions on abortion beyond Roe v. Wade).

And that's why groups have to sue the state to get them overturned.

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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 05:03 PM

12. California's law was an initiative, not legislation.

The implementation of the initiative has pretty much been on a county by county basis with the exception of AB420 and the attorney generals directive.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 04:42 PM

10. As expected, the drug enforcement industry

 

will find every possible way to ignore holder's directive and continue the war on drugs.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 04:53 PM

11. No one's faking here asshole!

 

Not directed at you, just the feds.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 05:13 PM

13. Typical Repubs.

 

They think that all illness is "faking it to get attention" and that being ill means you're morally defective (like they all have perfect bodies what with all the alcohol and cigarette consumption that people like Boehner do).

I've run into lots of people of the working class type (I'm trying not to call names here) who think that if you sing and dance or play an instrument, you're just doing it "to get attention" like any kind of attention is a bad thing. I was once married to somebody who thought that if I was sick in bed I was doing it "to get attention" and so he went to the OTHER END OF THE HOUSE so as not to "encourage me". What a psycho bastard. He never noticed that his presence or absence had nothing to do with my being ill.



Repubs think people on disability should just get up and walk, and they're faking their crushed vertebrae or whatever, and damn them, those disabled people should just go out and get a job!! Because being disabled is so much fun and the bennies are SO generous!!!

But Ayn Rand got Social Security. So much for the rugged individual.


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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:17 PM

17. washington State legislators can sidestep the problem by making and amendment to

the state's medical pot law that defines how pot can be obtained and dove-tailing that change into the new law on recreational pot.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 09:43 PM

20. Um. What part of Don't fuck with Washington or Colorado don't you get, Mr. U.S. Attorney?

 

Please submit your resignation tomorrow or Tuesday to Attorney General Holder.

Or i'll start a petition to the White House to fire your sorry ass.

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