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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMall Store Staff Quits, Leaves Abusive Boss Very Public Note
Fed up with their district manager's abusive mistreatment, employees at a Journeys footwear and apparel store inside Rochester's Marketplace Mall decided to storm out together in the middle of the day, during the busy Back to School season, locking up the store behind them.
Naturally, such a kickass move wouldn't be complete without an equally kickass letter of resignation, so Niki, Jess, and TJ made sure to leave a nice long one attached to the store's security bars for all potential customers to see.
As has been pointed out, malls typically subject store owners to a fine of up to $500 for each day of unannounced closure, which is really the cherry on top of this rich justice sundae.

http://gawker.com/mall-store-staff-quits-leaves-abusive-boss-very-public-1246233510
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)I know precisely where that store is in the mall - pretty sure it's the same unit as my old job Dolcis (college summer time part time) -
Which means - seeing it's near the cross roads from three key anchor stores . . .
Good on them!
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)You would think that if these three wanted to be taken seriously, they would have the work reviewed for errors. It went from a very meaningful response to one of ridicule by the Boss (I am sure). Lost opportunity.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)occurred to me.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I get ya, but this could have been so meaningful. Finally an employee fights the bully manager but because they did not review their work, it totally takes away from the point. Again lost opportunity. The Manager will just laugh it off and hire someone else instead of the possibility of her being embarrassed by her actions and becoming a better manager. She will not learn a thing accept think that her employees could not even spell "role"....a simple 4 letter word. Look I am just trying to say that it should have been a learning experience but now it won't be for sure.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)You think one, ONE, very minor spelling error negates their entire message? Well, I know what's laughable, and it's not them.
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)And if it does negate people - why do so many low IQ idiotic Republicans get their jobs?
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Or whatever it's called when they hire only republicans.
maddiemom
(5,179 posts)elias7
(4,229 posts)And perhaps much of the tea bagging ridicule is unfair.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)especially given how liberals tend to be polite, while tea baggers tend to lie through their dentures.
elias7
(4,229 posts)I don't disagree with you, but people should not be held to different standards. If a teabagger can be ridiculed for spelling errors, then it seems inconsistent to overlook it when we agree with the message.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)So, yes, I do think it takes away from - maybe not negates - the message.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... pedantry may be a better term (?)
*Sadly, I am probably being pedantic
kentauros
(29,414 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)only that some are great fun to find!
For example:
DUCK FUCKER. The man who has the care of the poultry on board a ſhip of war. ("Classical Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue," 1796)
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=fuck&allowed_in_frame=0
A lexicographer's library must be full of fun reads
niyad
(132,440 posts)make us "anal", it simply means that we know how to spell, and do, in fact, notice such errors. and some have no idea how annoying they are. of course, considering some of what I have seen in books, newspapers and magazines over the last few years, basic english is no longer a requirement, even for editors and proofreaders (unless they have all been fired, and the companies are now relying on spellcheck.)
sendero
(28,552 posts)..pointing them out not necessarily so.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)You expect professional presentation from them, as it's their business; they're making money off of their means of communication. For the rest of us, it's simply one form of talking to everyone. We're not in it to make a buck, or look like a Nobel laureate in literature.
If you could understand what point was being made, why then point out the flaws that went into making the point? I have the same issue with all those logic & reason centric types around here that insist your "arguments" must follow logic and reason, or they'll make sure you know what kind of logical fallacy it was. Because attacking how the message is presented is obviously far more important than the message itself, right?
niyad
(132,440 posts)who called those who notice such things "anal", as though there were something wrong with being able to do so.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)i don't know if anyone else used that word or not.
And I stand by my label and use of that word. It was such a minor infraction, "roll" vs. "role". I don't see what's so important about pointing such a thing out, not to mention the very idea that a mistake like that would negate the entire message. That's anal!
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)niyad
(132,440 posts)the poster who called those of us who notice such things "anal", as though it is some sort of character flaw to be aware of same. so the snark is completely uncalled for. and, by the way, one can be perfectly capable of BOTH noting the error and the point of the resignation letter. some people are capable of noticing more than one thing at a time.
yesphan
(1,604 posts)except and not accept ? Just sayin.............
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I guess we can't take that post seriously either, huh? People who live in glass houses, yada yada.
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)It's kinda like a few weeks ago, the new guy who does the Top 10 Conservative Idiots busted the chops of some teabagger who misspelled stuff. His post was full of spelling mistakes.
Glass houses, indeed!
(I can be among the worst of the spelling/grammar nazis, but I NEVER feel that a single mistake negates an entire argument...)
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)I usually just ignore it, and I don't make comments. Unless it is so blatant that I cannot even follow the post, I figure that we should all be able to understand the point----and the point is what matters to me.
And I have also read over one of my posts and found an error, usually in typing....how many times I have typed "if" instead of "it" or some such typo. I am not perfect enough to criticize others, and I am grateful that no one makes fun of my errors.
But the post in question was begging to be called on it.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)EXCEPT, not accept in your attempt at grammer/spelling superiority?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Phentex
(16,709 posts)I don't remember a post where the accuser posted without error!
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,461 posts)Yep
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Ai-yi-yi. Everyone can make a spelling or grammatical mistake, and some grate on me more greatly than most. However, since I'm not grading papers here I tend to let it slide -- with the EXception of trolls, in which case I join the chorus of "Spell Checker iz yur frend."
These three brave former employees made their point beautifully. It was poetic justice. I noticed "roll" too -- but I figured my role in this case was to roll with it.
Stop defending your snark and try to make a graceful recovery.
Maraya1969
(23,497 posts)the internet. Yea, they aren't having any effect at all.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)That would be "except," professor.

malaise
(296,114 posts)
Skittles
(171,716 posts)and how do you know the manager knows the difference between ROLL and ROLE?
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)when the boss finds they've all quit and he's locked out the last thing on his mind will be "roll" should be "role."
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Also, commas are an important part of grammar, genius.
Squinch
(59,522 posts)SaveOurDemocracy
(4,566 posts)maddiemom
(5,179 posts)but public speeches should be held to a higher standard. Same with publicly posted signs, such as this one. Far different from a private letter or note.( sentence fragment, I know). I find it truly sad that none of theses righteously angry employees caught the error before opening up their grievance to all who passed. One more small slip in the general decline of U.S. "exceptionalism." One more proof of the "who cares" attitude of too many of our students. Enough obviously cared to bring up the issue.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Sorry, I couldn't resist.
maddiemom
(5,179 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)or were paid to make that sign. Otherwise, it's no different from your average protest signage made by non-professionals. Had this been a sign-shop, well, then I'd have expected it to look as good as any yard-sign. And, I'm not just talking about design-quality, as grammar, spelling, punctuation, and capitalization would all matter in such an instance.
In this case, it's one word, easily ignored as being an "honest mistake", and possibly a dyslexic one. If it was due to dyslexia, would you still be pointing it out as "unprofessional"? Yes, three people may have read over the sign before leaving. Or, one of them (the one that created it) read it to the other two, and then put it up on the bars while the others locked up. We don't know the specifics, nor does it matter; they weren't making a documentary of their actions leading up to the posting of this sign.
Why, indeed, are so many people being so anal about one measly word? You got the point! Leave it at that.
maddiemom
(5,179 posts)a reading specialist, I'm fairly certain the the mistake, an "honest" one, I'll agree, was not due to dyslexia.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I don't get the reason to nitpick it. It is truly an honest mistake, that any one of us, from any education level, could have made. Remember, too, that they were upset, and that's reason enough to forgive their mistake. Strong emotions tend to keep one from thinking clearly.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)I salute you.
npk
(3,701 posts)But these employees don't sound all that intelligent to me. The sound even more naive the more and more I here about this story.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Check your work before you nazi.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)I'm currently in the process of grilling Guss myself, but it's for ambiguity and careless thinking. And possible misogyny - remains to be seen. Stay tuned.
Whew - glad I checked the spelling of a certain word. Never trust spellcheck at all.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)of the words they use incorrectly!
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)of the greatest lesson I ever read on that subject. It was just a few paragraphs, but the writer managed to illustrate dozens upon dozens of misused words, all spelled correctly. Hilarious if that sort of thing appeals to you.
When spell check first came out, I had to write Bill Gates a friendly letter pointing out four different words completely misspelled by his programmers in any context. And I don't mean just regional differences such as gray vs grey. Not quite so obvious as 'kat' but just as wrong. Would you believe that man never sent me even a thank you note, much less a check????
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I share your indignance!
I wish you'd kept a copy of the lesson-- I lurrrvv that kind of stuff.
Hey, have you ever read the Best Flame In The World?
It's a must! Its brilliant snark is unparalleled. You will lurrvv this: http://www.whitetreeaz.com/gibber/flame.htm
Enjoy!
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Kingofalldems
(40,278 posts)Bay Boy
(1,689 posts)...and thusly, no mistake was made in word usage .
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)Couldn't find any others. Sadly it would still pass through a spell check.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Not to mention that most people are forgiving of such things. It's not like this is their resume!
maddiemom
(5,179 posts)might notice, either. My daughter was reviewing resumes for her employer at one time and was amazed at some of the spelling errors, which eliminated many by her standards ( and which DID make a difference in her area of business). I would (and have) found a marker and corrected it (she would not have) in this particular case.
maddiemom
(5,179 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)to point it out to you
And I consider my ability at communication good enough to at least attempt to write fiction (nothing published as yet.)
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Yes, plenty of people either don't hire someone to do their resumes, or don't assume that because it needs to sell them it must also impress the person reading it, and so, no errors. A simple publicly-presented sign that is meant to present their anger to the world with their manager doesn't have to be 100% accurate in the presentation. It's not like they were quitting a print-shop where they'd have access to all of the tools to make a sign that looked like they worked there.
Personally, I can't stand the double-spaces after a period in sentences, yet you will find reams of posts here from all those that can't imagine not doing the double-space action at the completion of a typed sentence. However, I won't be pointing such annoyances out if I were to see a typed-up message presented to the world through an Internet message-board because it's just not necessary. It's an extremely minor thing and, as such, infinitely forgivable.
And if we can't forgive people for minor mistakes in any situation, then we need to look in our mirrors more often and find the mistakes there, first.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)It's old school, which often means greater accuracy. In this matter it's simply a matter of style. (Please note the double spaces after my own periods. That used to be a requirement. The double spaces, that is; not your noticing or approval.)
kentauros
(29,414 posts)and actually using it for anything was long enough that I forgot those "rules" and "spaced" as between words. Worked for me, and no teacher or instructor ever noticed, even the ones with Ph.D.'s
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)and no doubt required in some professional circles. It doesn't bother me because it's such a minor matter of style. I just refuse to participate.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)The computer automagically spaces words and sentences according to the shapes of the letters. You no longer have gaping holes in words because an 'i' uses the same amount of space as an 'm', as was the case with old-style typesetting. It also negates another effect of double-spacing after a period: "rivers of white." Compare a book written decades ago with the same book typeset today to see that they mean
I was able to ignore all of that when we got a Commodore-64 and everything was computer fonts. I haven't typed on a manual since the 1970's.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Sorry, I couldn't resist, even after promising you could have the last word.
I learned to type on an old Royal, SonnyBoy(orGirl). Walked 20 miles to school each way, too, even when the snow lay 12' deep. Snow plows hadn't been invented yet either. I think cursive writing had, though.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Uphill both ways, too, right?
I hated typing class. I have no idea what brand the typewriters were, only that they were new when the school was the old high school in 1939. Hell, they may have even been old back then because they were the tall one with the huge well where the hammers lay. Long travel for the keys to make a dent in the paper.
I only "allowed" myself to touch-type in recent years, finally relaxing enough to watch the screen instead of the keys. I still watch my fingers, especially if I need to hit those less-used keys like the dash. It does make transcribing pages from books easier though
louis-t
(24,618 posts)louis-t
(24,618 posts)and I'm the spelling police. Grammatically, not so great. I've seen a lot worse.
maddiemom
(5,179 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)"Roll" is indeed spelled correctly. The faux problem is that it's used incorrectly, and thus, this wyrd reaction about it not being "role" instead.
gussmith
(280 posts)"It went from a very meaningful response to one of ridicule by the Boss (I am sure). Lost opportunity".
One of you picking on the only obvious error (roll), one making the inscrutable comment above (why the reference to ridicule when the sign is pointing to the mean boss there for all the world to see? Lastly, I just missed that the boss is female as someone wrote. Stands to reason though....
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Ahem... My dear Guss, mind explaining what you meant by that? Do you think the boss being female was what made the situation perk? If so, you're begging for a world of hurt, so duck and cover while yet ye may.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)that the signage doesn't make it clear as to what gender Jamie is. You have to assume it's a woman based on the spelling of the name, and even that's not a safe assumption. For example, Jamie Foxx
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)However, check Guss' reply to me. He said "yes". Still rather ambiguous because there are two widely differing directions that could go, as I pointed out to him. I'm still waiting to find out if he referred to spelling or if he has a gender attitude problem.
Come to think of it, if it's the latter, I hope he specifies if he means the employees' attitude or his own - or both.
I seldom bother to note others' spelling or grammar errors, but ambiguity drives me up the wall. At the same time I realize it's probably not their intent to mislead or waffle. It's just lazy thinking which opens the guilty to all sorts of other life problems. That's more important than the irritation it causes me.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I agree about the ambiguity of the sign. Personally, I wouldn't have used the first name anyway. Last names only, with the appropriate title before, even if you're on a first-name basis with the person of interest.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)It was the ambiguity of his post that perturbed me.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)It does need more detail. Or maybe he's explaining ambiguity with more ambiguity, like, by example?
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)I salute you.
And I shall now shut up. Thanks for a lovely romp.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)gussmith
(280 posts)yes.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)But I must condemn the prejudice underlying your sentiment. Supposing of course that you didn't mean the problem lay not in the spelling of the boss' name but rather her gender itself. If you referred to spelling, I'd suggest you might want to read your work with 'the eye of a stranger' before hitting that send butto for unintended ambiguity. If you mean yes, her gender itself is the problem (that old myth of women being worse supervisors), that would sound like Pig Boy's attitude re 'feminazis'.
I ask for clarification because I don't want to bite your ankles prematurely.
At the very least what we're seeing here is the result of less than stellar composition. For that I blame the terrible state of 'education' ever since schools gave up teaching how to diagram sentences. Well, at least it saved me a lifetime's frustration from trying to convince school boards of their deficiency. Before the strangulation of learning, I'd planned to go into teaching. Glad I spared myself. Can't always avoid the fallout, though. People can't read what you mean when the field's so wide, only what you write.
kcr
(15,522 posts)that the "Sorry to Say" means he's of a mind with Pig Boy. Which is probably why you didn't get more clarification from the pig.
translation: Not surprised.
Logical
(22,457 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)but the uptight ones are being uptight with me and countering my posts!
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Only with your seeming defense of and untoward glory in carelessness across the board. Must we all grow unmindful in order to please you?
kentauros
(29,414 posts)A relaxed life is a happy life
juajen
(8,515 posts)This country is slowly sinking as far as correct grammar usage and spelling is concerned. While reading DU, I usually correct only about 1 out of 30 grammatical errors.
A very real reason for this lack of knowledge is that it is not being taught properly in our schools, and parents don't give a damn. I cannot believe that children are not being taught cursive writing any more either, but I don't hear many parents griping about this. Additionally, electronics play a part in the deterioration of spelling and grammar. OMG, wonder how you actually spell that?
One must also account for their mood at the time, and they were all three probably wanting to leave as quickly as possible for good effect.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)and therefore I grew up knowing how to diagram sentences, a skill critical to good communication. When it fell out of favor in schools, that's when I decided not to pursue a career in teaching. However, there's a time and place for everything. In casual writing I break a few rules to be more conversational. None of their errors could detract from those kids' bold action. I'm proud of them, as I'm sure you are too.
Towlie
(5,577 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)Well, other than the Satin thread
longship
(40,416 posts)malaise
(296,114 posts)Workers are waking up
dixiegrrrrl
(60,161 posts)The tension from trying to hold down a job in a hostile work environment is tremendous.
I STILL remember what that feels like, years after the fact.
malaise
(296,114 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)Delphinus
(12,522 posts)It may take years to let it go, but I hope they really find this is the best thing for them. It was for me.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)lpbk2713
(43,273 posts)That's going out in style.
UtahLib
(3,182 posts)A pink slip.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)pipi_k
(21,020 posts)can't keep multiple employees more than a year deserves it.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Sheesh. What is an excuse then?
Good for the workers.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)... walked across campus to a scheduled meeting that had been canceled without his being notified. He came steaming back to demand that I find out why. He stood over me while I phoned and discovered that the secretary who was to have notified him was interrupted by more important events, to wit, a miscarriage. While I was making sympathetic noises and preparing my calendar to reschedule, he literally yanked the phone out of my hand so he could give some hapless soul a reaming.
I stuck it out as long as I could (6 hellish months) then exited with as much of my shredded dignity as I could muster.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)that "if you're not dead or dying" then they expect you to come into work. Remember that during flu & cold season.
That's one industry that needs to be heavily unionized, in my opinion.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)would even think such a thing, let alone say it. as a survivor, i don't want to welcome anyone to this club, but perhaps he's made his own karmic bed.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)As a person who lost two loved ones recently to cancer, it is a scourge upon the heart and one of the toughest things I've ever encountered. You are a true hero to have made it through and I send my best wishes.
According to the original Reddit thread, this district manager said it to not one but TWO employees: one who needed to drive her ill mother to chemo and one who had to go in herself. That is a coldheartedness which I fear this wretched woman, when life decides to instruct her, will find turns to instant self-pity. I do not envy her the karma she is building for herself. And I am glad the employees have freed themselves from her abusive treatment.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)I was lucky: early detection made my bout with breast cancer relatively easy, at least physically. I am so sorry for your losses. My dad and sister weren't as lucky as I.
I too am glad the employees left, and that malevolent woman will definitely get back all the venom she's put out.
Raine
(31,179 posts)that wasn't the reason she lost the job, she lost it because she was gone too much. Yeah she was gone .... because she was undergoing chemotherapy and radiation treatments.
mantis49
(889 posts)It wasn't me, it was a co-worker.
He wrote her up.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Seriously. I would give that prick of a boss six months in the slammer, and personally I think I'm being too soft.
hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Great wording IMHO!!!
I hope they each find a better employment situation. It's horrible to have to work under stressful conditions.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Niki, Jess, and TJ their jobs back.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)I'd say they've instead blacklisted Niki, Jess, and TJ. I don't know anything about Journeys, only that many American corporations think in similar terms.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Orrex
(67,111 posts)Great stuff!
rl6214
(8,142 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)They couldve probably been held liable for what happened next. They made the right move.
More companies are learning how bad "bad" bosses are for business.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)jus sayin
HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)but it's still a great statement.
benld74
(10,285 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)"part or character one takes," c.1600, from French rôle "part played by a person in life," literally "roll (of paper) on which an actor's part is written," from Old French rolle (see roll (n.)). Meaning "function performed characteristically by someone" is from 1875. In the social psychology sense from 1913. Role model first attested 1957.
roll (n.)
early 13c., "rolled-up piece of parchment or paper" (especially one inscribed with an official record), from Old French rolle "document, parchment scroll, decree" (12c.), from Medieval Latin rotulus "a roll of paper" (source also of Spanish rollo, Italian ruollo), from Latin rotula "small wheel," diminutive of rota "wheel" (see rotary).
Meaning "a register, list, catalogue" is from late 14c., common from c.1800. Meaning "dough which is rolled before baking" is first recorded mid-15c. Sense of "act of rolling" is from 1743. Meaning "quantity of material rolled up" is from late 14c.; meaning "quantity of paper money" is from 1846; sense of "quantity of (rolled) film" is from 1890. Meaning "act of sexual intercourse" is attested from 1942 (roll in the hay), from roll (v.). Dutch rol, German Rolle, Danish rulle, etc. are from French.
______________
"Words have meanings."
They also have histories.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"jus sayin...
Just. (T) Saying (G).
Just saying...
(insert distinction without a difference here...)
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)With an accent over the e, of course
Matariki
(18,775 posts)With the negative publicity they're getting perhaps Jamie will lose their job and these brave folks will get theirs back.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)durablend
(9,270 posts)Customers complaining about being discriminated against? Employees who've had enough with being abused? Can't have any of that stuff...nuh-uh! Sounds like the 1% needs to put it's foot down again and put the sheep back in their place!
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Or are these sorts of stories beginning to become more frequent? Google "gorilla coffee Brooklyn" for multiple stories about a local coffee shop where almost the entire staff quit because of an abusive boss.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)near me, the entire fire department quit.
Chief and volunteers. All of them.
The townspeople cheered them on, even though it means that for a while they'll have to rely on the fire departments from surrounding towns.
People everywhere are getting sick of the abuses.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)bucolic_frolic
(55,141 posts)The internet has laid bare the relationships between overlords and underlings.
The world will never be the same.
Hopefully it will in the end make relationships nicer, more rewarding, and more
profitable for all.
pscot
(21,044 posts)Hayabusa
(2,149 posts)of Jamie's face when he or she saw this sign.
7962
(11,841 posts)That could be hilarious as well.
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Good for them...I hope the jerk gets canned and they get their jobs back...if they want them...
TommyCelt
(856 posts)Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Oops. Too late!
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)TommyCelt
(856 posts)madamesilverspurs
(16,512 posts)Did something similar back in the '70s.
Worked in a big restaurant/nightclub. New Year's Eve, as the clock struck midnight, the entire staff marched out as the band played "Auld Lang Syne", and we took the cash drawers with us. We got to the parking lot, sat down, and waited for the police to arrive. When we showed them that our last two paychecks had bounced they took us back inside, explained what had happened to the baffled partiers and asked the owner if he wished to prosecute. He said "No" given that he had several hundred pissed off people glaring at him. Then he passed out on the bar.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)They formed a mini union and walked out. How some people get raised to "boss" status when they can't manage people is appalling.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)edbermac
(16,449 posts)That brings very disturbing images to my mind.

kentauros
(29,414 posts)tblue37
(68,436 posts)know that Portnoy had a habit of, ahem "abusing" certain food items.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)They probably meant staph instead of staff.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)had to put in real long hours, LOL
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)This is what has to happen ALL across the country so that the abuse/overwork and underpaid/no health benefits/ unsafe working conditions get remedied!!!!
People are afraid the world will fall apart if they stand up for themselves, but it doesn't, especially if they stand together and plan together!!
Unionize or get lawyered up--there has to be some honest arbitrators out there somewhere!! WHERE ARE THEY???
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... or someone higher up.
The person this is directed to will only throw this away and resume business as a prick (guy or girl, makes no difference).
HarveyDarkey
(9,077 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)polichick
(37,626 posts)where the manager treated all the wait staff like shit. Besides being rude to everyone, he refused to tell foreign tourists (this was a big tourist area) that tipping was expected, when we made almost nothing except tips. So we waited until a busy holiday weekend and everybody walked out together when the place was full, telling him we'd had enough. Very satisfying. Who knows how he sorted out all those orders!
lpbk2713
(43,273 posts)I hope mgmt canned him. Maybe, just maybe, the next manager was a little bit more employee friendly.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)It's gotta hurt knowing you just got owned by Niki, Jess and TJ.
Historic NY
(40,037 posts)this is a nationwide chain.
tblue37
(68,436 posts)so many threats that she has to be escorted to and from the store.
She claims the employees just wanted to publicly embarrass her because they had been reprimanded for violating company policy. She also claims that they had stolen merchandise and that none of them or their family members have cancer.
BUT if they had stolen merchandise, wouldn't they have been fired immediately when it was discovered that they had done so? (IOW, this sounds like Jamie is just trying to cover her ass, but couldn't stop herself from carrying the story one step too far and stretching plausibility too much.)
The chain's home office says it is investigating the situation.
(BTW, this info is all from "Business Insider."
ChaoticTrilby
(211 posts)...but I seriously doubt that Jamie's story is the case. If those three employees really had violated company policy and stolen merchandise, it's unlikely that they'd try to make their whole situation public. Even if it would humiliate Jamie, it would also mean going through the risk of suffering harsher punishment for their actions. Laying low would be the instinctual thing to do.
I'll admit, however, I am inclined to assume that the workers in any situation are less likely to lie about it than their employers. They're always trying to keep the working class people going at each other's throats for as long as possible so that we avoid properly, and collectively, turning on them.
Nonetheless, if there are future developments that indicate Jamie was telling the truth, that will be a crying shame. I do love seeing workers stand up for themselves, and I wish it would happen more often.
tblue37
(68,436 posts)specifically because of her claim about their having stolen merchandise. If they had done so, they would have been fired at the very least, and the police would probably have some sort of report about the theft. It is unlikely that they would have still been working there after stealing from the store.
That's what I meant about Jamie's taking her version one step too far. Because she's been publicly shamed, she feels the need to make the employees out to be such villains that her own "innocence" will be enhanced in the eyes of the public. But she goes too far and ends up making a claim that most people will find implausible because we know that is just not how things normally work in the real world. Yes, employees might just be reprimanded if they violate company policy. But if they STEAL from their employer, they are going to get fired, and if they steal merchandise, the cops are going to be called in, too.
Jamie's version violates plausibility, but it follows the conventions of melodramatic fiction, where the innocent are pure, abused victims, while their antagonists are villains, who operate out of extreme malice, always want to do the meanest, nastiest things they can to their innocent victims.
ChaoticTrilby
(211 posts)Her story sounds very much like something out of fiction, embellishments and all. But, if (amazingly) it turned out to be true, I'd be very disappointed.
tblue37
(68,436 posts)because I am lovong the idea that we might be entering our own American Spring.
npk
(3,701 posts)Not saying that the store manager is telling the truth, but I have seen employees become very petty if they are being investigated or they have been disciplined. Fact is we don't know if these three employees were under HR review for possible theft. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't. Maybe they saw the writing on the wall and decided to bolt, and to make sure they could get hired in the future and deflect the suspicion back onto the store manager they concocted this story. It's certainly not unheard of.
jmowreader
(53,194 posts)When Journeys corporate office (it's in Nashville, I looked it up) got a call from the general manager of this mall that said, in essence, "all the employees of your store locked the security gate during mall hours, posted a 'fuck you, we quit' sign on it and went straight to the nearest bar to celebrate, can you get someone in here right now to reopen?" I don't think they ran spelling check on the sign.
locdlib
(176 posts)People who appoint themselves as spelling/grammar police usually are the types, who for some reason, cannot see the bigger picture. Good for these people for standing up for themselves.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Even those of us who rightfully decry the general lack of education in this country are standing in solidarity with those very brave workers. Don't erect false barriers.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)True story: I was a court reporter for a civil district judge known for his random outbursts at court staff and attorneys appearing before him. He told a pregnant woman lawyer to "Not have that baby in his courtroom!"
Law firms always sent the senior partners down for even simple five minute hearings.
Anyway, I was working full time in a civil district court, typing transcripts on weekends, and going to law school at night four nights a week. Didn't need any more stress.
I got the job because his regular reporter went to probate court to do a daily copy (team of court reporters and typists, who produce a complete transcript by evening), which never happens in probate court, except that this was the probate of the estate of Howard Hughes, who was once the richest man in the world. Long time ago, about 1982. It took months to sort out all the people who came out of the bushes and claimed to be relatives.
I worked for this guy for about nine months. I am very patient, but got to where I couldn't tolerate his outbursts because they were random and nonsensical. I would cry every day after work at home, even if everyone was nice to me that day. He looked like a stern white haired old bastard out of Central Casting.
On Friday afternoons, after the judge left for the day, I often heard "BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!" That was the clerk kicking file cabinets in frustration in his office.
He was legendary for being randomly angry at staff and lawyers. Nobody could stand him.
He dropped hints. He said things like, "If you want to throw in the towel, just let me know." He was not specific. I was not on the county payroll.
I was a substitute reporter paid by the day. He thought women were supposed to stay home and be housewives, I guess.
One Friday morning after I had spent two days emptying my office, he signed my voucher to get paid weekly. I told him I wouldn't be back on Monday. He said, "That's not very much notice." I didn't tell him he was a mean old man.
For two or three months, he hung out at the docket clerk's office. She was the lady who assigned cases ready for trial to a judge to hear them.
He could not find a court reporter to replace me. Without a person to make a record of everything said in shorthand on a stenograph, you cannot hold court. No hearings and no trials. Nothing. Civil district court is the highest level trial court in Texas where they handle cases involving millions of dollars.
This was in Harris County TX (Houston) where they have 22 Civil District Courts, 24 Criminal District Courts, 10 Family District Courts, 3 Juvie District Courts, as well as a bunch of lower level trial courts, drug courts, impact courts etc.
The complex of courthouses is probably bigger than the governmental building groups in some state capitals. There are four million people living in Harris County. And there were probably 250 court reporters in town then.
He's been dead a while. When Art Lesher died, as my dad (an honest lawyer) said, "Every lawyer in town will show up at his funeral just to make sure he's dead."
I don't know why people love to be feared and cause misery by their very presence, but the legal and judicial professions attract a lot of them.
The courthouse is a madhouse and a snake pit.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)For that "Justice."
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)There was a woman criminal district judge who hated everybody who worked for her, clerks, deputies, assistant district attorneys, process servers, probation officers, court reporters, who until last year was the elected D.A. in Harris County. She left office new year's day of 2013, as she was beaten in the Republican primary earlier in the year.
She ran on a "law and order tough on drugs" platform, but the public had no idea she was an abusive alcoholic witch. She had an inferiority complex b/c she was a cop who went to night law school (same one I went to), got elected as a judge, and never technically practiced law.
I worked late for her one day and she hit me in the head with a rolled up piece of paper. I could tell lots of stories of narcissists and nuts.
A few thousand people are going to show up at her funeral too. I won't add the joke about standing in long lines. I've had nightmares about being in her presence.
A lot of people don't like court reporters with a biology degree and a law degree. I'm overqualified and might make a lawyer or judge look bad if I corrected their grammar or spelling. Lot of sexism and heightism there.
I outgrew my profession a long time ago and was never appreciated. Court reporting is a 2 year associates vocational degree and most of them never go to any regular undergraduate college.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)Except, no offense intended, I hope I never see the need for a solicitor.
Here where I retired to an affordable tiny MidWest town, I spent a couple years at a steady drumbeat against the abuses of a regional mini-bus driver. Wrote descriptive letters to the main office after every trip with him. Among his many other attempts at suppression, he hired a local lawyer to send me a cease and desist letter. I emailed her a warning that she was interfering in a whistleblower operation and she might be happier not trying to intimidate me either. She emailed me back saying I needed another lawyer to address her about anything; in so many terms I told her stay out of my way and that I didn't need a go between to address her highness.
I never heard any more out of her, although the bus driver finally filed a false police report against me, claiming several days after the alleged event that I'd carried a gun on board and threatened everyone. You can imagine how fast our local police chief hurried over to interview me. I'm still mad at him too, though, because he refused to do anything about the false police report, which is a felony even here. Nobody would do a damn thing about it except the publisher of our local weekly. He's well known for publishing almost anything, and my letter of outrage had the whole region in an uproar for weeks. Sadly, it took the driver's supervisors at least 8 years to get rid of him, although they did recently. I think they knew they were riding a tiger. The guy's downright homicidal. Lives in a tiny house about 700 sq feet from all appearances, with a dog and 15 cats at last report, but he insists it's a 2-story as if people are going to swallow that. I'd give almost anything to find out what straw finally broke the camel's back. Maybe he made death threats against one of them as he did to me several times, or threatened them once too often. They cared not what he did to other people.
Anyway, sorry for my rant. But I'm so extremely fond of being left in peace that the thought of legal proceedings makes me sick. Still, please realize/remember we don't all hate all lawyers - especially not when they save our neck. God bless you.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I never had mentors like they talked about all the time in the 80s.
You were supposed to find an older person to give you advice and find you job leads. Nobody in court reporting would help anyone if you were not their buddy.
I couldn't find any paralegal jobs after I graduated. Couldn't get jobs out of any of the guys I went to law school with and I was cordial to everyone, except for the occasional short deposition. I had graduated from a rich kids' private undergrad college and my law school was an expensive private school. Didn't seem to help.
I had one guy tell me he just couldn't give me a job, despite being a partner in a law firm, which meant that he was taking home at least a million dollars a year in his share of the profits, besides his regular salary.
I should have been helping to train trial lawyers. People go to college and grad school and are wasted and thrown away in this society.
Took the bar exam a couple of times. Third time, I went to the first morning session feeling bad. Left after the first three hours and went to bed sick. I think it was bronchitis. I never had exam panic and never found out what my problem was, in spite of spending a few thousand on the bar cram courses.
Fortunately I paid for my courses with my court reporting job and don't have any student debt --this was in the early 1980s before everyone was drowning in student debt.
However after spending about $25-30,000 in 1980 dollars on tuition, books and such, I wonder if I got anything out of it. I went because my father was a lawyer and my role model. It was a good broad education, unlike most grad schools, but it certainly didn't get me any jobs.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)You've had a remarkable education and career even so and I really believe it's made you who you are. I hope someday you'll reap your righteous financial rewards. You have more than a few good books in you, and I don't mean those written by others. It's hard to get published too unless you know the 'right' people. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try though. Look at Eric Hoffer, one of my heroes, who worked as a longshoreman and never got to finish college at all. But he had plenty to say and wound up with a Pulitzer prize in literature. Anyone with your wide range of experiences has just as much to share with the world, and we'd all be the better for it. At least don't let this crazy world define you.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I know about Eric Hoffer and "The True Believer". Excellent book.
Fortunately, when I was growing up, I knew I was an individual and did not want to fit into any popular groups in high school. Smart girls did not have dates unless they were the cheerleader type. All I cared about was orchestra and classical music. I played first violin and sometimes piano.
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)that my senior year term paper was devoted to that instrument exclusively. Don't know how much real talent I had for playing it, but it was a joy to try.
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Ishoutandscream2
(6,783 posts)Very interested.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Good for them!!
niyad
(132,440 posts)jamie is a he:
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The ex-employees claim Jamie abuses his position in his superior role and is abusive to staff, and for all of these reasons he has now lost a store manager, co-manager and key-holder, they point out.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411634/Entire-staff-quits-Journeys-clothes-shop-leaving-public-note-abusive-boss.html#ixzz2e4AhGERm
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Blue Diadem
(6,597 posts)niyad
(132,440 posts)it.
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)How anyone who has had a horrible boss has wanted to leave them. Hanging!
kentauros
(29,414 posts)and have been reading the posts: Not Always Working
Some good turnabout stories in there!