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1) not our problem
2) will not solve any problems
3) could create a regional or international war
4) most Americans are against it
Guess what I am referring to!
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PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)AAO
(3,300 posts)LOL!
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)
NightWatcher
(39,376 posts)
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)..um....Intelligence ?
Evolution ?
Separation of church and state ?
Tax cuts for the poor ?
Damn...I never do very good on these types of things... 
LadyHawkAZ
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pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)
cherokeeprogressive
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Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)I 'used to' support him 100% up until a few days ago - but he will no longer receive any money or kind words from me.
AAO
(3,300 posts)You are correct that my opinion is supported by Grayson. I'm curious why you feEl that way.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)and worshipping our leader.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Damn, that's some harsh shit.
That's also some incredibly deep devotion to love of war. I don't grok such devotion to something so negative, it seems alien to me.
AAO
(3,300 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)... to go to war (which we are not) and he does not 'want to have to' intervene with a 'use of force' either but he probably will.
BUT 1,400+ people died from GAS. And over 400 were CHILDREN.
So, someone HAS TO do something.
I can not understand why THE WHOLE WORLD is not up in arms over that Assad has done!
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)No matter the reasoning used to justify the act.
You must at some level also realize that a military action will add to the death toll of innocents and that innocents blood will be on our hands and those dead children will be covered in our shrapnel. It will not bring back the dead, only give them company to ease their loneliness if anything.
No matter the motives we will be taking a side in a conflict between warring factions of monsters, so choosing a side and providing them with an air force will ultimately be to side with a different monster that will commit even more horrid acts only this time aided by our involvement.
All that aside, just speaking of Grayson, what has he done that is so terrible that you would cut him off so completely?
He has spoken of a devotion to those of us suffering here, he has spoken of a belief that forcing ourselves into a conflict we have no right or authority to take sides in will cause death, and so he opposes it, what of those things is so horrid?
You can forgive Obama the dead children that lie at the craters of our drone explosions because they were not intended (but a fact of life or death in this case, nonetheless) yet you will not forgive a man for speaking of helping the wretched and dying here at home, and for speaking of avoiding war and more killing.
I just don't understand such alien thinking.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)were Bush the pres a different tune would be sung by the current war supporters.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)reasoning and even their very souls for the easy comfort of just following whatever, wherever their chosen Alpha male leads them.
If they were told by their primate "leader" to eat the children of their political enemies, I have no doubt some would dash infants upon the ground and obediently sup on misery.
It is easy and comforting apparently to not have to think or feel for one's self, to have your thinking and your passions supplied to you by one you feel is stronger. It is so..... Cro Magnon...
Also more than a little creepy, but we are after all living on the planet of the apes, little has really changed beside the loss of some external hair.
Now I am very deeply and profoundly depressed.
There never was anything I could have typed that would have reached the mind or soul of that poster was there?
Why do I keep thinking I can reach them with reason or a call to decency? Am I just incredibly stupid?
I think I need to reread "Conservatives Without Conscience", John Dean had some really good insights into this phenomena as I recall. I had mistakenly pigeonholed the behavior as a quirk found only within the Conservative Republican sub-culture, rereading it with an open mind to the possibility that it is a universal problem that can effect all or most human sub-cultures (with an eye towards it being an inherent primate flaw) may help me to understand them and this behavior better.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)then maybe he should stop sending out members of his administration to make such a case for it!
Jesus, doesn't want to go to war? That's fucking rich. 
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)...sliced, diced, and for all I fucking know julienned. Plenty of them children.
Add in all the other conflicts around the world and the number of innocent dead rises into the tens of millions.
What makes their lives so worthless?
For the billions that will probably end up being spent on this clusterfuck, the lives of MILLIONS OF CHILDREN COULD BE SAVED, and educated up to any level we cared to deliver. But no, those millions just get left to die, because a vibrant, healthy, informed local population might want their fair share of the diamond, cobalt, tantalum profits.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)gopiscrap
(24,711 posts)AAO
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madinmaryland
(65,722 posts)rl6214
(8,142 posts)Same arguments. With that said I think we need to stay out of this internal conflict.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Many of us who oppose intervention in this case are not isolationists, and any isolationist language makes us (well me, at least) wince.
So "not our problem" is, to me, not a compelling argument.