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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 04:20 AM Sep 2013

Obama won't say it, but vote on Syria has high stakes for his presidency

(Reuters) - It seems that everyone in Washington is talking about it except President Barack Obama: When Congress votes on the administration's request to use military force in Syria, the future of his presidency could well be on the line.

A defeat, a distinct possibility, would hobble Obama in affairs both foreign and domestic, particularly if fellow Democrats collaborate in it.

It will hurt him at a critical juncture, as he confronts not only Syria, but the nuclear activities of Iran and North Korea, another round of battles with Republicans over fiscal issues, an immigration bill, and a possibly difficult nomination fight over a new chairman of the Federal Reserve.

Using Obama's presidency as an argument as Congress ponders a resolution authorizing military action is off-limits for the administration - it would make the debate about Obama and cost the president votes from some Republicans he is counting on.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/09/07/uk-syria-crisis-obama-consequences-analy-idUKBRE98605820130907

Obama plunges into high-stakes week on Syria .

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Back on American soil, President Barack Obama is plunging into a frenetic, high-stakes week of selling a skeptical Congress on a military strike ahead of a critical vote on Syria.

For a president not known for investing heavily in consultations with Capitol Hill, the coming days represent one of the most intense periods of congressional outreach in his presidency. Obama seeks to salvage a policy whose fate he's placed in lawmakers' hands, planning for himself and for aides a flurry of speeches, phone calls, briefings and personal visits to Democrats and Republicans alike.

The lobbying campaign culminates Tuesday, the evening before a key vote is expected in the Senate, when Obama will address the nation from the White House to make his case that America's military must once again raise arms to protect a value he says the world simply cannot afford to place in jeopardy.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/UNITED_STATES_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-07-03-20-47

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Obama won't say it, but vote on Syria has high stakes for his presidency (Original Post) dipsydoodle Sep 2013 OP
What it really comes down to, is can he stop Assad from using Chem Weapons BootinUp Sep 2013 #1
Of all the ditches to choose to die in . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #2
He's been listening to Washington insiders for too long now and it is finally catching up with him. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #3
I don't think he was fully appreciative of the strength of feeling here in Europe dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #4
It's quite an embarrassment for we the people of the US. They keep trying to start wars liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #5
That's what I've been thinking. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #6
Here's to silver linings! n/t markpkessinger Sep 2013 #7
The reverse is also pretty bad. Igel Sep 2013 #8
Hey, another bright side! durablend Sep 2013 #12
But the powerful will senseandsensibility Sep 2013 #14
Because LWolf Sep 2013 #9
^THIS^ cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #13
Note to the next Democratic President elect. mick063 Sep 2013 #10
He is screwed either way n2doc Sep 2013 #11
Losing a major initiative before Congress is not necessarily the end of the world . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #16
I have trouble believing they didn't count the votes before asking the congress to vote on it...nt Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #15

BootinUp

(51,314 posts)
1. What it really comes down to, is can he stop Assad from using Chem Weapons
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 04:24 AM
Sep 2013

or have people brought before an international tribunal. Whether or not he gets the first vote, don't expect him to give up.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
3. He's been listening to Washington insiders for too long now and it is finally catching up with him.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 04:50 AM
Sep 2013

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
4. I don't think he was fully appreciative of the strength of feeling here in Europe
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 04:52 AM
Sep 2013

for example against effective acts of war in the absence of firm hard evidence. Having been mugged off previously on the Iraq war we're unlikely to fall for that stunt again.

The absence of support from elsewhere is contributing to weakening his case in the US. Even NATO have made it clear they will only be involved in relation to protecting Turkey's interests.

edits are spelling errors etc.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
5. It's quite an embarrassment for we the people of the US. They keep trying to start wars
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 04:55 AM
Sep 2013

without evidence. The people of the US were against the Iraq War and looks like the majority of us are against military action against Syria too but as we have found out before just because the American people are against it does not mean it won't happen.

LuvNewcastle

(17,821 posts)
6. That's what I've been thinking.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 05:32 AM
Sep 2013

Why is he wasting valuable political capital on this bullshit? At least he won't have any left when he tries to push the TPP through Congress.

Igel

(37,535 posts)
8. The reverse is also pretty bad.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:13 PM
Sep 2013

Some will probably vote "yes" on the Syria measure in order to preserve Obama's political capital.

If you want him to get his way on judges, on the Fed appointment, on spending measures, on social programs, on education, on debt limit increases ... he needs to have his back protected.

So there's pressure to vote "yes" on something that is mostly a feel-good measure. If the "chemical weapons control measures" happen and there are no more chemical attacks it'll be deemed a success--even if you can't make the argument from silence logically sound. People will believe it because they want to and it gets them something they want more than honesty.

durablend

(9,267 posts)
12. Hey, another bright side!
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:20 PM
Sep 2013
If you want him to get his way on the Fed appointment


Maybe Summers will go down in flames too!

senseandsensibility

(24,973 posts)
14. But the powerful will
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:33 PM
Sep 2013

be very grateful if he succeeds. And I think he will, in spite of how it looks now.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
9. Because
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:15 PM
Sep 2013

it's not about human rights, about war as a tool of fucking "diplomacy," about empire, about domestic needs, about the will of the American people, about bankrupting the nation with continuous war, about keeping the MIC happy...

It's all about Barack Obama and his legacy.

Fuck that.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
10. Note to the next Democratic President elect.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:18 PM
Sep 2013

Surround yourself with Goldman Sachs and Cheney disciples and your legacy will become a train wreck. Try listening to a more "representative" group of advisors instead.

Now the question needs to be asked.

Who would Hillary surround herself with?

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
11. He is screwed either way
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:20 PM
Sep 2013

Lose- and he will be seen as ineffectual, a lame duck, someone who has no clout left. Win, and he starts something 90+ % of Americans are opposed to, strengthens the T-baggers and libertarians, and likely ends up with Syria as a complete chaos factory which will drag Jordan and Israel in. He's already destroyed what support he had from the rest of the world post Bush.

markpkessinger

(8,909 posts)
16. Losing a major initiative before Congress is not necessarily the end of the world . . .
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:40 PM
Sep 2013

. . . in fact, it happens to most Presidents at some point along the way. But a lot will ride on how he handles it. Continuing to argue his case AFTER a Congressional vote in opposition would be a HUGE political mistake. Earlier this morning I posted my suggestion for what he could say in his address on Tuesday that would enable him to put a reasonably positive spin on things and manage to maintain respect among the public. See what you think: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023615823

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
15. I have trouble believing they didn't count the votes before asking the congress to vote on it...nt
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 12:36 PM
Sep 2013
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