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(Reuters) - It seems that everyone in Washington is talking about it except President Barack Obama: When Congress votes on the administration's request to use military force in Syria, the future of his presidency could well be on the line.
A defeat, a distinct possibility, would hobble Obama in affairs both foreign and domestic, particularly if fellow Democrats collaborate in it.
It will hurt him at a critical juncture, as he confronts not only Syria, but the nuclear activities of Iran and North Korea, another round of battles with Republicans over fiscal issues, an immigration bill, and a possibly difficult nomination fight over a new chairman of the Federal Reserve.
Using Obama's presidency as an argument as Congress ponders a resolution authorizing military action is off-limits for the administration - it would make the debate about Obama and cost the president votes from some Republicans he is counting on.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/09/07/uk-syria-crisis-obama-consequences-analy-idUKBRE98605820130907
Obama plunges into high-stakes week on Syria .
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Back on American soil, President Barack Obama is plunging into a frenetic, high-stakes week of selling a skeptical Congress on a military strike ahead of a critical vote on Syria.
For a president not known for investing heavily in consultations with Capitol Hill, the coming days represent one of the most intense periods of congressional outreach in his presidency. Obama seeks to salvage a policy whose fate he's placed in lawmakers' hands, planning for himself and for aides a flurry of speeches, phone calls, briefings and personal visits to Democrats and Republicans alike.
The lobbying campaign culminates Tuesday, the evening before a key vote is expected in the Senate, when Obama will address the nation from the White House to make his case that America's military must once again raise arms to protect a value he says the world simply cannot afford to place in jeopardy.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/UNITED_STATES_SYRIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-07-03-20-47
BootinUp
(51,314 posts)or have people brought before an international tribunal. Whether or not he gets the first vote, don't expect him to give up.
markpkessinger
(8,909 posts). . . he certainly picked a bizarre one!
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)for example against effective acts of war in the absence of firm hard evidence. Having been mugged off previously on the Iraq war we're unlikely to fall for that stunt again.
The absence of support from elsewhere is contributing to weakening his case in the US. Even NATO have made it clear they will only be involved in relation to protecting Turkey's interests.
edits are spelling errors etc.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)without evidence. The people of the US were against the Iraq War and looks like the majority of us are against military action against Syria too but as we have found out before just because the American people are against it does not mean it won't happen.
LuvNewcastle
(17,821 posts)Why is he wasting valuable political capital on this bullshit? At least he won't have any left when he tries to push the TPP through Congress.
markpkessinger
(8,909 posts)Igel
(37,535 posts)Some will probably vote "yes" on the Syria measure in order to preserve Obama's political capital.
If you want him to get his way on judges, on the Fed appointment, on spending measures, on social programs, on education, on debt limit increases ... he needs to have his back protected.
So there's pressure to vote "yes" on something that is mostly a feel-good measure. If the "chemical weapons control measures" happen and there are no more chemical attacks it'll be deemed a success--even if you can't make the argument from silence logically sound. People will believe it because they want to and it gets them something they want more than honesty.
durablend
(9,267 posts)If you want him to get his way on the Fed appointment
Maybe Summers will go down in flames too!
senseandsensibility
(24,973 posts)be very grateful if he succeeds. And I think he will, in spite of how it looks now.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)it's not about human rights, about war as a tool of fucking "diplomacy," about empire, about domestic needs, about the will of the American people, about bankrupting the nation with continuous war, about keeping the MIC happy...
It's all about Barack Obama and his legacy.
Fuck that.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)mick063
(2,424 posts)Surround yourself with Goldman Sachs and Cheney disciples and your legacy will become a train wreck. Try listening to a more "representative" group of advisors instead.
Now the question needs to be asked.
Who would Hillary surround herself with?
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Lose- and he will be seen as ineffectual, a lame duck, someone who has no clout left. Win, and he starts something 90+ % of Americans are opposed to, strengthens the T-baggers and libertarians, and likely ends up with Syria as a complete chaos factory which will drag Jordan and Israel in. He's already destroyed what support he had from the rest of the world post Bush.
markpkessinger
(8,909 posts). . . in fact, it happens to most Presidents at some point along the way. But a lot will ride on how he handles it. Continuing to argue his case AFTER a Congressional vote in opposition would be a HUGE political mistake. Earlier this morning I posted my suggestion for what he could say in his address on Tuesday that would enable him to put a reasonably positive spin on things and manage to maintain respect among the public. See what you think: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023615823