If I Could Be So Bold... I'd Like To Ask Any Actual Former "Warriors" How They Feel About...

[WillyT]

The Possible Syrian Strike.

Just wondering what those who have had their "boots on the ground"... what they have to say.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. My hubby and I are against it

But you knew that

[hack89]

2. Very ambivalent

The one thing I know for certain is that the results will be unanticipated - may be good, may be bad, but certainly unanticipated.

[rdharma]

3. No fuggin' way!

And I'm taking note of any elected officials who vote for this sheet!

[Cryptoad]

4. Justice must be delivered to Assad

to protect the whole world!

[rdharma]

6. To protect the whole world?

Are you being sarcastic? If so.... put behind your post.

If you are not trying to be sarcastic.......

[Cryptoad]

12. yea,,,,,

somebody like Assad with a nuc or two?

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Not even the administration has made that claim

Sure you are not confusing Assad with the claims made about Sadam

[Cryptoad]

14. I didnt say they did

Iran may let him field test a few......

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. You are making jumps of logic

None has made. And unless you have special access, the administration does not claim Iran has nukes either.

I prefer to keep my eyes on what we know, not the known unknowns and all that Rumsfeldian way of thinking.

[Cryptoad]

20. I preferr to keep my eyes

on the all the variables....

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. I guess fiction is good.

Look out for the time machine and the aliens while you are at it.

[Cryptoad]

22. I wondered

where "stranger than" came from, heh?

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Well, you are the one talking non existent nukes

And while you served, send your kin, we will need troops.

This is why we need a draft, no exceptions. War has become way too easy.

[Cryptoad]

28. No exceptions , heh?

we have never tried that

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Yes, no exceptions

Everybody serves, everybody

We go to war, the first to sign up are members of congress and senators...

[Cryptoad]

33. I would like to live in World

where there are no Nuclear weapons.....

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. The rest of us would like to

It ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.

[Cryptoad]

37. JUst like a Draft with on exceptions... nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. And without this, a grand war adventure will continue

You served. Who among your kids is going to the recruiter?

You support war, I want you to put your skin in the game.

[Cryptoad]

40. I never said I support War..

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Ok I guess you support fucking for virginity

What do you think sending rockets red glare into the national territory of another sovereign state is? Perhaps my international law class had it wrong, but that is considered war. So yes, you support it. And under the laws of war, Syria will have the absolute right not just of self defense, but to strike back at the United States.

It gets worst, yes, whoever used Sarin broke international law. Guess what we are about to do without the sanctions of the UNSC? Oh yeah, violation of the UN charter

So I guess we need to break treaty war to punish somebody else for breaking treaty law...yup, burn the village to save it.

You do know the Russians are moving assets to that general area...right?

So how do you fuck to keep virginity? Because your logic is the same. So, once again, are your kids going to enlist?

[Cryptoad]

43. Geez,,,,,, I never said any of this you claim i have

are you drinking?

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. So how are you going to deliver justice to Assad?

And the are you drinking is not just my time to leave this conversation, but put you on ignore.

Proceed with the insults at your leisure

[Cryptoad]

46. not intented to insult

you post are becoming hard and hard to make any sense of. just a simple question wondering if you were drinking. Why would you consider that an insult?

[WillyT]

8. Damn Crypto... Had No Idea...When And Where Did You Serve ???

[Cryptoad]

11. 68 & 69

[tkmorris]

51. Where?

[Link Speed]

5. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin!!!11111!!

I remember watching the Tonkin thing on teevee and just knowing that, somehow, my life would be affected by it.

I had no conception of just how much.

This vet says fuck it, we've had/done enough.

Bring it all back home and spend the money on the ones who need it.

[Katashi_itto]

7. Hell no. Fix our own problems and don't create any more combat vets, they don't even take care of

ones we have currently.

[pinboy3niner]

9. I am opposed to a strike, but that's based more on my head than my gut

I have some appreciation of what's entailed in the carnage of military action from being a Purple Heart combat Infantry VN veteran.

But here even if, for the sake of argument, I accept the facts as asserted by Kerry and the President, I still don't find their case for military action compelling or even persuasive. The repurcussions could lead to a lot of negative and even dire possibilities, including the U.S. being drawn into further military escalation. And I've been in a quagmire before, at great personal cost to my friends and myself.

I'm sorry, but U.S. military action here just seems reckless to me, with potential consequences far worse than any loss of credibility for not acting.

But I don't claim any special wisdom on this policy issue just by virtue of having once been in those "boots on the ground."

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. My opposition is also from

Looking at the case, confusing as hell, and possible consequences.

That pesky degree I guess, and lead in my general direction

[Schema Thing]

18. Don't you think the use of gas weapons demands a strong response?

I mean, these weapons aren't like other forms of artillery - they can't be targeted at combatants specifically, and they are more likely to kill civilians, children, house-pets than they are to kill combatants. And in fact, every time they've been used in the past 30 years, that I know of anyway, they were actually targeting civilians. Saddam Hussein didn't use conventional weapons to strike terror in the town of Halabja, he used a mix of poison gasses to commit genocide, killing between 3200 and 5000 people and injuring 7,000+ more, many of which died from complications later on.



We (the world community) should have acted against Saddam Hussein then (and we [America] certainly shouldn't have been complicit - but that's no excuse for inaction now) and we should act against Assad now, imo.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack

I saw things that I won't forget for as long as I live. It started with a loud strange noise that sounded like bombs exploding, and a man came running into our house, shouting, 'Gas! Gas!' We hurried into our car and closed its windows. I think the car was rolling over the bodies of innocent people. I saw people lying on the ground, vomiting a green-colored liquid, while others became hysterical and began laughing loudly before falling motionless onto the ground. Later, I smelled an aroma that reminded me of apples and I lost consciousness. When I awoke, there were hundreds of bodies scattered around me. After that I took shelter again in a nearby basement and the area was engulfed by an ugly smell. It was similar to rotting garbage, but then it changed to a sweet smell similar to that of apples. Then I smelled something that was like eggs.
When you hear people shouting the words 'gas' or 'chemicals' -- and you hear those shouts spreading among the people -- that is when terror begins to take hold, especially among the children and the women. Your loved ones, your friends, you see them walking and then falling like leaves to the ground. It is a situation that cannot be described -- birds began falling from their nests; then other animals, then humans. It was total annihilation. Whoever was able to walk out of the town, left on foot. Whoever had a car, left by car. But whoever had too many children to carry on their shoulders, they stayed in the town and succumbed to the gas."[8]

[pinboy3niner]

25. Sometimes discretion truly is the better part of valor. nt

[Cryptoad]

30. The Part that People like Assad

like best about Sarin gas,,,is that it tortures most the victims up to 24 hours before they die.

[Mnemosyne]

34. Wasn't it the US that sold him the gas used in Halabja? nt

[Schema Thing]

36. Yes, I think perhaps so, and I alluded to that in my post, didn't I?

[Mnemosyne]

50. Kindly point that out for me, I was/am tired and may have missed it. tia nt

[Schema Thing]

53. Here:

quote:

"We (the world community) should have acted against Saddam Hussein then (and we certainly shouldn't have been complicit - but that's no excuse for inaction now) and we should act against Assad now, imo.
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[lumpy]

52. Thanx for your post.Some people just don't give a damn and care even less about the future.

It is not our problem. We can't afford it. People at war get killed every day. It's a plot for oil or an oil pipeline. The administration is in cahoots with the one percent, plutocrats and more excuses for turning their heads.

[WillyT]

19. Thank You !!!

[HardTimes99]

24. Not a vet, but this rocks! - nt

[wild bird]

45. ^^^This^^^. nt.

[Bigmack]

10. Somebody said.. a long time ago...

'How can you ask a man to be the last one to die for a mistake?'

Gosh... I forget who it was, but it was a good question.

Too bad there's nobody around to ask that question about Iraq-nam, Viet-ghanistan, or..now... Syri-nam.

[actslikeacarrot]

15. I feel it is a huge mistake. I feel we could end up either not making any change....

.....or making it worse.

[LiberalLoner]

26. DH and I are both against it. Feel it could lead to WWIII

[WillyT]

29. Did You Catch This ???

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023619699

[Electric Monk]

38. I think you'll appreciate this video

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017143855

[RGinNJ]

27. Peace now and always.

[4bucksagallon]

32. I have no problem with limited strikes if we can take out the launchers.

We have done this in the past some good results some bad and as long as we are not sending in "any" troops, I will accept the Presidents wisdom on this he is the one with more information than you or I. Now if the WH was packed with NeoCons I would be more concerned but it is not. My President is the CIC and I have a lot more faith in him than I did Shrub.

[wild bird]

42. Not only NO, but FUCK NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

U.S. Marine Corps
3/26th Marine Regiment
Khe Sanh
Quang Tri Province
Republic of Vietnam
1967-1968

[NuclearDem]

47. I vote hell no.

Afghanistan, Korengal Valley 2011. Lost a PJ friend there to a sniper, an AF security forces friend from basic to an RPG in Baghdad, and I have a marine friend attached to the Med fleet.

[BuelahWitch]

48. My cousin's husband is a Vietnam vet

He says HELL NO to a Syrian strike.

[SQUEE]

49. NO, No and no.

I view this as a a civil war, we have no need to get involved. I believe we should be completely shut of the Middle East and its long lists of self fuckery, let the Arabs, Kurds, Persians, Pashtuns, Mongols, Egyptians and yes, Israelis et al solve their own problems and if they wipe each other out, well so be it.