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Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:13 PM Sep 2013

face it. There is a contingent on DU who love a shirtless Putin and are swooning

over his ice blue eyes. Every word of his send chills up their spine and they thrill to his next brilliant move.

There's really nothing to be done. Only an antidote of injecting wolf blood into a person has a slight chance of diminishing the fascination and infatuation with the Russian leader.

It is best to realize Obama has been bettered by the pale enigma from Leningrad.

On edit: Quick! Someone start a VPG! We needs more pictures!

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face it. There is a contingent on DU who love a shirtless Putin and are swooning (Original Post) Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 OP
You really ought to be TS'd for this pattern of behavior cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #1
I love DU. The OLD DU. Not the President Obama-hating DU. GOt it? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #5
you love the old DU. you don't say? CreekDog Sep 2013 #43
not to mention... foo_bar Sep 2013 #47
Quite the victim, eh? WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #260
yeah. the REALLY old DU as was clear in that post. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #50
when I think about the things about the old DU that I miss, your posts aren't among them CreekDog Sep 2013 #51
Oh snap! Ellipsis Sep 2013 #143
Love. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #158
no shit.... madrchsod Sep 2013 #181
... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #214
Still not a single example of a single DUer "swooning" over Putin CreekDog Sep 2013 #234
You are daft if you cannot recognize literary hyperbole Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #237
if there are so many swooning posts, you could link to one or quote the words of one CreekDog Sep 2013 #241
There are none AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #255
i agree 100% CreekDog Sep 2013 #270
And you were leaving because AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #254
But when he did really leave, it was via tombstone for homophobia, QC Sep 2013 #306
+1,000 nt MADem Sep 2013 #55
Lay off the "hate" talk Abq_Sarah Sep 2013 #85
there is legitimate criticism here (Cali supports the president and criticizes) Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #90
I don't think we hate them exactly. We just hate war. ozone_man Sep 2013 #187
So if I hate the idea of killing more children in the name of Exxon, you would criticize me rhett o rick Sep 2013 #268
There are expressions of "hate" and "disgust" here CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #275
LOL,..I'd say anything you want is Ok by you....dear. NM_Birder Sep 2013 #89
that would be campaign DU hfojvt Sep 2013 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #140
Lol, hating is disagreeing to you! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #153
I love DU. I also like U. bravenak Sep 2013 #191
Well, certainly a purveyor of something... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #257
Thx.nt bravenak Sep 2013 #263
You're quite welcome. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #266
I am a BOGGER. bravenak Sep 2013 #267
Wow, I had NO idea! WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #271
You should smile more. bravenak Sep 2013 #280
The entertainment value from... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #284
Agree with you. LukeFL Sep 2013 #246
What? HappyMe Sep 2013 #8
weird how unhappy some people get with disagreement Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #11
Never mind unhappy....PERSONAL. MADem Sep 2013 #64
I'm a lazy researcher. It was kind of fun seeing my old post Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #68
Hey, I can understand. MADem Sep 2013 #83
Yeah... cui bono Sep 2013 #91
would you not agree that is different than GENERAL DISCUSSION? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #93
I didn't make an analogy. I was merely responding to your post about people who can't cui bono Sep 2013 #98
many of those same people on BOG also post and read here Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #106
This ^^^ Just Saying Sep 2013 #141
I think they are unhappy that you said they swooned over Putin when I think almost NOBODY here does CreekDog Sep 2013 #236
You have issues Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #239
yes, most of us have issues with you misrepresenting our opinions to make us sound like Putin lovers CreekDog Sep 2013 #242
Please proceed. Your novel about your perception of me Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #247
you're novel about us supporting Putin was written before I weighed in CreekDog Sep 2013 #249
You put "Putin is a hero" in quotes. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #33
Or even that general sentiment? Common Sense Party Sep 2013 #179
Yeah, I haven't even seen that. It's amazing what people will say. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #182
I've seen 'em. Putin is for peace, love, and rock'n'roll. Well maybe not rock (ask Pussy Riot)... Hekate Sep 2013 #224
Well it looks like I'm taking your word for it, cuz you say I have to. Not SOP for GD... cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #269
Indeed, indeed. The eye sees what it sees; different eyes, different sights. Hekate Sep 2013 #276
Have you seen any Putin love in posts in the intervening days? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #310
You have? cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #311
THIS and Pretzel Warrior can't and Pretzel Warrior won't --what does that tell you? CreekDog Sep 2013 #238
it's made up bullshit and the OP has responded that he won't provide examples CreekDog Sep 2013 #245
You are correct as usual. William769 Sep 2013 #37
But....but.....but!!!!! MADem Sep 2013 #73
Often the main ones doing the "what Putin love? I see NUTHING!" are the main ones kicking Number23 Sep 2013 #288
lol! HappyMe Sep 2013 #290
They've kind of proven themselves worthy of contempt lately Schema Thing Sep 2013 #25
Oh good! Caretha Sep 2013 #199
Awww. sibelian Sep 2013 #281
Agreed. /nt Marr Sep 2013 #62
I have thought he needed some pizza for a while too. n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #107
If it happened, it wouldn't be the first time. n/t QC Sep 2013 #123
This is some ugly, ugly stuff, agreed. n/t Aerows Sep 2013 #126
Get a life and a sense of humor pal. DeltaLitProf Sep 2013 #138
I agree. It is terribly tiresome. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #240
Oh god nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #2
Look at it this way, the freeperville fund raiser has to end some time, right?..n/t monmouth3 Sep 2013 #17
I think that is still ongoing though nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #28
Here are a few treestar Sep 2013 #3
lol. a great start. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #9
Kind of flabby and out of shape isn't he? Cleita Sep 2013 #13
He does need to get to the gym treestar Sep 2013 #20
image link broken? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #61
He's not welcome here. bravenak Sep 2013 #196
He looks like an out of shape in shape '50s guy: Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2013 #262
UH OH, he has a gun. Oh wait, he is a 1% and in government, so it is ok The Straight Story Sep 2013 #31
ooo. a half naked white guy with a big gun. Whisp Sep 2013 #42
Since you are the Caretha Sep 2013 #201
For some reason, I find him amusing treestar Sep 2013 #209
I got a slew of them. Loves me some Putin in the wild! freshwest Sep 2013 #302
Your subconscious is showing. polichick Sep 2013 #4
no. it was purposeful. my 11th dimension posting style Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #7
:) polichick Sep 2013 #16
Not enough meta Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #6
Comments about DU are against the rules LittleBlue Sep 2013 #10
BAHAHAHAHAHA! That is awesome. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #12
I'm making that one my laptop background flamingdem Sep 2013 #127
lol treestar Sep 2013 #18
this thread is worth it just for your post alone. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #19
Ok I gotta say it nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #38
Thread win! Turborama Sep 2013 #78
That is great Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #80
You win the Internets today. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #95
Best post ever!! DevonRex Sep 2013 #114
Now that is the t-shirt shot. DeltaLitProf Sep 2013 #139
Oh, SHIT... Scootaloo Sep 2013 #157
LOL! Too funny! smirkymonkey Sep 2013 #175
Awesome! Hekate Sep 2013 #215
at first glance I thought this was Putin as a Centaur Voice for Peace Sep 2013 #272
... Scurrilous Sep 2013 #304
Thanks for this! JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #14
funny, I haven't seen anyone here express that. cali Sep 2013 #15
funny. I have. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #22
funny, you don't provide any links to back up your claim. cali Sep 2013 #24
I noticed blue links from BOG'ers get flamed Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #27
I'm quite certain you may even think a handful of people may believe that little rationalization... LanternWaste Sep 2013 #52
"not interested in the extra work just to get flamed" Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #67
links, you vant links? Whisp Sep 2013 #137
Strawman AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #205
Nazi level nationalism. mick063 Sep 2013 #21
Godwin's Law Hekate Sep 2013 #235
Yep...ooops. mick063 Sep 2013 #252
Oh, for fuck's sake. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #23
Dear Pretzel Warrior : Your fine work in the defense of all things bullwinkle428 Sep 2013 #26
a few on this thread need to take this to heart Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #29
Well, maybe when you start threads calling anyone opposed to military intervention Putin lovers NuclearDem Sep 2013 #32
that's not what I was doing. I was calling people who give high praise to Putin "Putin Lovers" Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #34
Wait... you REALLY think your OP has a complex notion in it? cui bono Sep 2013 #102
WOW---where in that OP is there a single word about "military intervention?" MADem Sep 2013 #97
I don't think you will understand why this post is offensive even if I explain it to you. LiberalAndProud Sep 2013 #30
I'm right there with you on that. This has nothing to do with that specifically Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #35
You know ... Caretha Sep 2013 #210
This is just as stupid and juvenile polly7 Sep 2013 #36
Is there a VPG yet? n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #39
probably not yet. still being processed by the admins, no doubt :D Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #44
Just had an influx of little ants, so that bug avatar is in danger just now! Hekate Sep 2013 #233
What do you expect to achieve by posting this (REDACTED TO AVOID HIDING BY JURY)? 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2013 #40
One of the stupidest OPs I've ever seen on DU. Th1onein Sep 2013 #41
I think people who believe Snowden was right when he said Whisp Sep 2013 #45
Oh, okay. HappyMe Sep 2013 #53
Snowden is a Russian? grasswire Sep 2013 #58
ok, a Russian Spy. sorry. n/t Whisp Sep 2013 #69
Snowden is a Russian spy? Link please. n/t cui bono Sep 2013 #113
Here: Whisp Sep 2013 #121
So you confirm that you were just making shit up. Thanks. cui bono Sep 2013 #122
And you confirm that Putin is now the good guy because Snowden Whisp Sep 2013 #124
Really? Where did I do that? Link please. cui bono Sep 2013 #125
LOL flamingdem Sep 2013 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Sep 2013 #132
Ow! My sides!! Number23 Sep 2013 #289
I think this was this hootinholler Sep 2013 #145
I don't know anyone on DU who is saying that except for YOU. Th1onein Sep 2013 #103
no. it is not even remotely like that. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #46
FDR didn't win WW2. polly7 Sep 2013 #71
I have. probably WAY MORE than you. FDR delayed D-day specifically to bleed Russia Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #74
lmfao. nt. polly7 Sep 2013 #76
Good grief. We weren't ready in 1942 or 1943 to invade Europe. We didn't have enough neverforget Sep 2013 #193
"Sacrificed", indeed Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #178
Oh don't worry. He can go lower. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #48
Has anyone notified MIRT? Th1onein Sep 2013 #109
if he keeps this up, it will happen. progressoid Sep 2013 #116
How does he get to continue posting if this has happened before? Th1onein Sep 2013 #174
This message was self-deleted by its author bullwinkle428 Sep 2013 #49
The pale enigma from Leningrad...in ELEVATOR shoes....!!!! MADem Sep 2013 #54
And he shoots guns! treestar Sep 2013 #148
What is a VPG? Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #56
Vladimir Putin Group Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #60
Vladimir Putin Group. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #212
This has to be performance art. WilliamPitt Sep 2013 #57
I'd rather have beer and travel money. nt grasswire Sep 2013 #59
Putin's reign of terror is one big bad piece of performance art Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #63
I'd be embarrassed if you were one of the people who tended to agree with me. Marr Sep 2013 #65
who cares? Point was made. and that was the point Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #72
It doesn't irk me. You're just trolling. Marr Sep 2013 #77
I made a point about what I saw on DU re: Putin. People can choose to agree or disagree or ignore Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #92
K&R! Well said! MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #66
LOL! cui bono Sep 2013 #115
I agree, Manny. bvar22 Sep 2013 #134
I just added a rec Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #142
Well said! nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #248
It's too early in the day to be drinking so heavily, P-Warrior. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #70
Is any week the right one to stop sniffing glue? Fumesucker Sep 2013 #81
FU%*! I spit coffee on my damned keyboard! Th1onein Sep 2013 #185
Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #75
Do you like the thread in the link below? cui bono Sep 2013 #79
that is a pretty good one. we do look like a circular firing squad Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #84
And so you are happy with this OP you posted? n/t cui bono Sep 2013 #87
maybe didn't stick the landing. but generally, yes. happy. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #96
Okay, good to know. cui bono Sep 2013 #99
VPG... SidDithers Sep 2013 #82
I would argue that there is a contingent on DU who are just like Tea Partiers cui bono Sep 2013 #86
I believe our Republic will survive Obama's reign of terror Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #100
Well, you've already shown you have quite the imagination. cui bono Sep 2013 #105
+1000 forestpath Sep 2013 #101
except of course when the owner of chemical weapons decides to back down VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #104
Those are the type of comments treestar Sep 2013 #151
My post is countering the OP. cui bono Sep 2013 #155
Groups are allowed to ban treestar Sep 2013 #156
I agree, it's amazing this is supposed to be for Democrats when the GD has so many cui bono Sep 2013 #162
You have exaggerated views of the policies treestar Sep 2013 #163
Well I disagree. I feel the board has been taken over by people who are blindly loyal cui bono Sep 2013 #250
... woo me with science Sep 2013 #192
This thread interrupted me while I was watching Ow! My Balls! Capt. Obvious Sep 2013 #88
that movie is hilarious. My post has electrolytes. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #94
Meta!!! Iggo Sep 2013 #108
Yep. We're just a bunch of Putin-swooning... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #111
Are you on bath salts? Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #112
GD hosts didn't lock this shit, so it's the new normal. GDBOGMETA cthulu2016 Sep 2013 #118
The pro-war meltdown happening right now Union Scribe Sep 2013 #117
this isn't about pro war or anti war. it is about people who love to diss Obama so much Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #119
Believe it or not... ocpagu Sep 2013 #131
I got that loud and clear from the OP. Why it's so hard for others to grasp I do not know. nt Hekate Sep 2013 #251
They're all COMMUNISTS! Dash87 Sep 2013 #120
Shirtless PALIN! JEFF9K Sep 2013 #129
this will have to do Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #130
Palin is hot! ... JEFF9K Sep 2013 #188
I admit I do think Putin could kick some serious butt. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #133
LOL. Hey, it takes one to know one. DeltaLitProf Sep 2013 #135
Tiresome over-the top trolling. TacoD Sep 2013 #136
Must be tough being consistently wrong whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #144
I wouldn't know. I'll ask Glen Greenwald. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #149
It's knee slappers like that... whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #152
Back on Snowden now! Keep up the agenda! n-t Logical Sep 2013 #154
rofl. Cha Sep 2013 #172
why, thank you, Cha!! Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #305
DU rec... SidDithers Sep 2013 #146
cheers! Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #150
personally I prefer.. BadGimp Sep 2013 #147
Why does it have to be a pissing contest between Obama and Putin? notadmblnd Sep 2013 #159
It sounds like some people are trying to resurrect Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #278
troll with a hint of homophobia. Excellent. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #160
thank you Warren. CreekDog Sep 2013 #165
More than a hint, it's a heaping helping. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #168
No surprise, really. QC Sep 2013 #170
Yes. Starry Messenger Sep 2013 #177
I wafted this thread towards my nose and also got a hint of homophobia. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #225
2009-2010 DU was toxic, nasty, & included a stalking group calling out even imagined homophobes Hekate Sep 2013 #259
"Disagree on the merits" - seriously? The op is a flamebait trolling piece of crap. Warren Stupidity Sep 2013 #285
The homophobia you see re: my OP is your own imagination Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #286
Where in the heck do you get that? nt treestar Sep 2013 #264
Possibly the reference to swooning. Only BOGgers are supposed to swoon. Or at least people say we do Hekate Sep 2013 #303
It takes a weird kind of sexism too treestar Sep 2013 #307
...and they're always posting pictures of dear leader without a shirt frylock Sep 2013 #161
Here's a chance to compare: treestar Sep 2013 #164
He's not as dreamy as Zlad but he's OK RandiFan1290 Sep 2013 #166
face it. There is a contingent on DU who's sole purpose SomethingFishy Sep 2013 #167
Geeze, what is wrong with you? Yo_Mama Sep 2013 #169
I had to rec this dumbassery post RetroLounge Sep 2013 #171
How about Putin on a pony... Oilwellian Sep 2013 #282
We'll be fine. PowerToThePeople Sep 2013 #173
Y.I.K.E.S! Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #176
go away.... madrchsod Sep 2013 #180
Here's how I know an OP is full of Industrial Strength Fail... cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #183
it's all in your point of view. plenty of others loved it. Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #184
I don't have a problem with that. You go on believing there are people here who are swooning over cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #186
Actually, that pretty well describes the BOG. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #208
Pretzel Guy, stop posting things you don't even believe CreekDog Sep 2013 #232
"Do you like to ride?" He asked, his icy blue eyes seeming to look into my very soul. scarletwoman Sep 2013 #189
Best fucking post ever!!!!!!!! Autumn Sep 2013 #194
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. scarletwoman Sep 2013 #202
Holy Crap! In_The_Wind Sep 2013 #195
Damn, I'm not sure but I think I just fucking swooned Autumn Sep 2013 #197
Right In_The_Wind Sep 2013 #200
Why was that so awesome??????? bravenak Sep 2013 #198
Your Good! Caretha Sep 2013 #203
I want to have your children.... mike_c Sep 2013 #206
Oh, myyyyyy! polly7 Sep 2013 #207
Ohhhhhh myyyyyyy NuclearDem Sep 2013 #213
Whoooah.. yeeah... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #216
Oh, it's all original. The OP inspired me. scarletwoman Sep 2013 #217
Your writing cracked me up. Nice job! Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #220
Thank you. I'm glad you liked it. scarletwoman Sep 2013 #227
This could be your week, scarlet woman... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #222
Why did I picture that as two guys? Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #218
Hey, whatever works for you! scarletwoman Sep 2013 #223
Whatever works for Putin. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #228
Yeah, there's that... scarletwoman Sep 2013 #229
... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #226
Oh, baby! scarletwoman Sep 2013 #230
I will admit that Putin is a rather good looking older man... Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #231
Whoops! I need a fan and a fainting couch after that! Hekate Sep 2013 #244
OMG! You totally rock! Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #253
Oh my! cui bono Sep 2013 #261
Thread win, Scarlet. Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #277
Brava brava brava !!! :) Tx4obama Sep 2013 #279
Brilliant! historylovr Sep 2013 #296
I need to find a bodice to rip....excellent. nt msanthrope Sep 2013 #298
OMG! You win the thread. In fact you win all of DU today..... Little Star Sep 2013 #299
Love it! You had me at "little comrad!" Safetykitten Sep 2013 #309
Ice blue eyes are a sign of being a white walker. bravenak Sep 2013 #190
Is this your idea of "Obama support"? AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #204
face it. There is a contingent on DU who love... 99Forever Sep 2013 #211
You need a break. preferrably an enforced one. bobduca Sep 2013 #219
I absolutely ADORE this thread. Gravitycollapse Sep 2013 #221
This was so awesome. bravenak Sep 2013 #243
Putin on the Ritz - image Tx4obama Sep 2013 #256
That is so hilarious Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #258
omg treestar Sep 2013 #265
Rec'ing this thread just for this post. Props to everyone that made the personal choice not to get Number23 Sep 2013 #292
Good Lord! Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #273
Delete - dupe Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #273
Don't get the "bully Putin" thing. ocpagu Sep 2013 #283
Fucking absurd. TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #287
Of course it's absurd. As is 80% of what I read on DU Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #295
Anything to say now that Putin saved the Prez? whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #291
You have it exactly ass-backwards, as usual scheming daemons Sep 2013 #294
Just my 2 cents... this post was bait. Lost me at accusing someone of having love for Putin. gtar100 Sep 2013 #293
I see now people are LOOKING for reasons to hide threads. Here was my comment Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #297
Another glorious thread fail! Rex Sep 2013 #300
just fine. you will admit juries are applying unequal justice? Pretzel_Warrior Sep 2013 #301
He's d r e a m y! Safetykitten Sep 2013 #308

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
1. You really ought to be TS'd for this pattern of behavior
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:14 PM
Sep 2013

You are a disruptor... nothing to say but how much you hate DU and DUers. Day after day.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
5. I love DU. The OLD DU. Not the President Obama-hating DU. GOt it?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:16 PM
Sep 2013

I am merely making an OBSERVATION, if that is alright with you, dear.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
43. you love the old DU. you don't say?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:39 PM
Sep 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8491212

PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 03:17 PM
Original message
Hello All. This is my goodbye. I don't believe I've ever done this

before although I've read others say their goodbyes. At those times, it was usually a result of the internal squabbles that accompanied primaries when people lashed out at each other's candidates and someone couldn't stand the viciousness.

Well, as I've said before I was glad I found this site in 2003 when there were hardly any voices out there allowing us to feel we weren't a crazy minority in the wilderness. It was before Air America, Colbert Report, and so many other important additions to the progressive universe. It was a lifeline.

But so many years later after we've won what we all thought we were fighting for, there is a tragic kind of direction I've seen in this site. I gave to this site repeatedly through donations and group discussions/activities. I worked offline because of some of the things we discussed online. Yet all I hear is so much in the way of attacks on Obama. I guess because there are so many ways to find straight up news coverage of what's happening with Obama administration, this site sees itself as eternal police force and focuses on attacks.

I can't take it anymore. There are many long time voices of DU I just don't see here anymore which is sad. They were true progressives but also know that just because you backed a winner you don't get the club out and start beating the winner.

I'm accused of mental illness for not putting up with this. FOr not putting up with any unfair treatment. Okay. No problem. I admit to purposefully trying to get my message heard through provocative post titles. BUt I can see when it's over. This is not productive for me and I'm sad the direction this place has gone. Maybe it should just be called Opposition Underground. It seems no matter who is in office, the focus of the group here is to attack mercilessly whoever is currently in powr.

Good luck with that. Thanks to the many loyal posters who are still here. I've appreciated some of your work of late in amongst the garbage. Thanks you skinner and other admins..

foo_bar

(4,193 posts)
47. not to mention...
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:41 PM
Sep 2013
No. I was TS'd for not being politically correct enough. I learned a lesson with that one

Not least of which is that a)it can happen without warning, b)it can happen despite years of positive posting, and c)numerous requests to admins for some type of explanation can and will be completely ignored.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3616795

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
260. Quite the victim, eh?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:12 AM
Sep 2013

And such a flair for the dramatic...

I could understand it being deleted and people PM'ing me explaining their outrage...but summary execution seemed a bit harsh.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3616795


Poor baby.
 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
50. yeah. the REALLY old DU as was clear in that post.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:42 PM
Sep 2013

It was a time for a big break from DU by a LOT of folks. Agreed? Or were you around then? Your name doesn't ring a bell.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
51. when I think about the things about the old DU that I miss, your posts aren't among them
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:44 PM
Sep 2013


and yes, I've been here since pre-Iraq war, 2003.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
234. Still not a single example of a single DUer "swooning" over Putin
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:29 PM
Sep 2013

I'm not even demanding that you prove a single DUer has swooned over a shirtless Putin.

not a single example from you.

you don't even believe what you wrote in the OP.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
237. You are daft if you cannot recognize literary hyperbole
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:33 PM
Sep 2013

Yes, there are plenty of posts giving Putin all kinds of credit and often from the same posters second guessing all of Obama's statements and actions.

There. Feel better to have it spelled out for you. By the way, the same dynamic is still going on in posts tonight. It is stupid and I called it out.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
241. if there are so many swooning posts, you could link to one or quote the words of one
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:36 PM
Sep 2013

there aren't.

you're just taking us for a ride.

you aren't disagreeing with us --oh how principled to simply disagree with us would be!!!

no, you are disagreeing with a ridiculous, nonexistent, made up opinion that you are accusing us of holding.

all BS. and you know it.

QC

(26,371 posts)
306. But when he did really leave, it was via tombstone for homophobia,
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 08:53 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:34 AM - Edit history (1)

namely for referring to LGBT equality as "a fabulous pink pony."

Yet here he is again, with thirteen hidden posts and still stinking up the joint.

Why? It's not like he hasn't made his zombie status perfectly obvious.

And why is Sid, normally DU's great scourge of zombies, following him around like a puppy and reccing his posts rather than trying to get him banned, as he usually does?

This is all very strange.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
90. there is legitimate criticism here (Cali supports the president and criticizes)
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:14 PM
Sep 2013

but there are plenty of posts here that are clearly hateful and have name calling of Obama, Kerry, and other Democrats and no real substantive criticism. It is a piling on that goes on at times. Yes, it is hate.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
187. I don't think we hate them exactly. We just hate war.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:36 PM
Sep 2013

And if Obama and Kerry and Samantha Powers are beating the drums of war, as we are all so very tired of hearing, some of that naturally trickles though to hating the drum beaters. Back in 2002/2003 it was Bush and Colin Powell lying to us, and most folks of with any intelligence/skepticism saw through the WMD claims of Colin Powell. So it is best to err on the side of safety to prevent another war situation. Besides, we have enough domestic problems to take care of.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
268. So if I hate the idea of killing more children in the name of Exxon, you would criticize me
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:33 AM
Sep 2013

for being hateful? Where do you stand on this war that Pres Obama wants to wage for the MIC?

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
275. There are expressions of "hate" and "disgust" here
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:15 AM
Sep 2013

So before you admonish someone about it, be sure it doesn't exist.

It does.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
110. that would be campaign DU
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:29 PM
Sep 2013

although there still was a contingent, a very large contingent which painted the fiscal cliff debacle as an Obama victory.

But it is amazing to me how new you are. Too new to remember DU 2007. Which still would not be OLD DU.

Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #5)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
191. I love DU. I also like U.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:52 PM
Sep 2013

Your observations are quite astute. You are quite witty and a purveyor of facts.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
266. You're quite welcome.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:23 AM
Sep 2013

*Our* Warrior isn't going to change anything, no matter how much s/he lashes out. And that's what's so fucking funny. Or, as the BOG likes to say:

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
284. The entertainment value from...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 09:56 AM
Sep 2013

BOGers pitting a shirtless Putin against President Crashing Waves does just that, so thanks. Chemical weapons, bombs away, and further involvement in the Middle East? Not so much.

(Logging on for the first time today... can't wait to see how the spin has changed from last night, and what further is being projected. Good stuff!)





HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
8. What?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:17 PM
Sep 2013

That's ridiculous.


While it may not be delicately put, it is true that there are plenty of 'Putin is a hero' type posts here. Since when is Putin and Russia a bastion of freedom and humanitarianism.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
64. Never mind unhappy....PERSONAL.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:54 PM
Sep 2013

The whole "I don't like what you said so let me dig up some dirt on you and fling it out there in an effort to dampen your argument...how dare you write a GBCW and ... (gasp) change your mind!!! " post was a bit of a stretch, IMO.

Trash thread would be so much easier! All that kind of stuff does is kick your thread!

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
68. I'm a lazy researcher. It was kind of fun seeing my old post
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:56 PM
Sep 2013

because I can admit I was not in a good place about DU at that point as MANY OTHER DU'ers have said about their experiences as 2009 wore on.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
83. Hey, I can understand.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:10 PM
Sep 2013

This place does get super-shitty at times, and sometimes it can get mean and ugly, too.

I stepped back for a little bit when people were getting so damn nasty about Hillary Clinton--it just got too vicious and mean. I voted for HRC in the primary and POTUS in the general, and I thought the vitriol here was stupid, childish and nasty. It looked like Free Republic through the looking glass--dumbass assholes carping at each other like stupid buffoons.

I figure you can't force people to have insight. If they want to be jerks, let them. At the end of the day, they've gotta live with their views, and explain them when it's revealed, as it will be, in time, that Pootie ain't an altruist--he's a KGB operative and the best at what he does. If Pootie had his way, we'd all be speaking Russian and he wouldn't have to endure the sham of elections every few years, where he trades off with his little puppet and pretends he has less power.

One thing Pootie can't control, and that's the march of time. He's getting older, like we all are.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
93. would you not agree that is different than GENERAL DISCUSSION?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:16 PM
Sep 2013

I sure would say that is not an analogous case.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
98. I didn't make an analogy. I was merely responding to your post about people who can't
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:19 PM
Sep 2013

take disagreement. Kind of agreeing with you if you want to look at it that way.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
106. many of those same people on BOG also post and read here
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:27 PM
Sep 2013

so it is not as though someone needs to specifically go pee in the pool to get differing opinions heard. That group exists specifically because sometimes those who still admire what Obama has been doing and TRYING to do despite opposition get tired of the 24/7 "Dump on Obama FEST" that GD and other pages on DU become.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
236. I think they are unhappy that you said they swooned over Putin when I think almost NOBODY here does
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:32 PM
Sep 2013

do you want some sort of pat on the back for lying about DU and DUers?

if not a pat on the back, do you want a "there, there, sorry you feel that way, is there anything we can get you? a pillow, a stool for your feet, we are so sorry you disagree with us and we understand why you felt the need to lie about all of us...so sorry you are upset, we totally understand why you'd lie and accuse us of being Putin supporters when we actually detest the guy, but there, there..."

so sorry that you are upset and lashing out.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
242. yes, most of us have issues with you misrepresenting our opinions to make us sound like Putin lovers
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:41 PM
Sep 2013

if anyone doesn't take issue with that, then that would be sad.

you have left DU, complained about DU, been tombstoned by DU and are now resorting to making up complaints about DUers to claim make yourself some sort of hero over an adversary here that doesn't exist.

maybe it's the community here that you don't like.

that you've wrongly accused so many here of something that is a fiction, maybe that means you have issues with us and your issues aren't based on something you feel you can honestly state here.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
249. you're novel about us supporting Putin was written before I weighed in
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:52 PM
Sep 2013

but I guess it's only okay when you accuse almost all of DU falsely as you did.

than when I post precisely what you have posted and accuse you of the very thing you have done.

that's not allowed, by your standards.

we could end this now...

ONE EXAMPLE of DUers "swooning" or the equivalent over Putin or Putin's policies.

ONE EXAMPLE is fair to ask of you when you claim it's a commonly held point of view here.

or else you don't even believe it.

if you believed it you'd be falling over yourself to demonstrate that this is a real thing.

but despite you discussing things extensively in your thread, not one example, not even an anonymized example of this behavior you so sincerely take issue with.

because it's all made up.

the most charitable thing i can say about your post is that you've complained about what you think happens here which doesn't actually happen.

but now that you won't post examples, that's too charitable. you know you're complaining about things that don't happen here.

and you're caught.

maybe you won't get banned over it this time. maybe. but you've been banned before, so we'll see.

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
179. Or even that general sentiment?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 07:42 PM
Sep 2013

I think Putin's a thug and an ass.

It doesn't make me want to bomb and kill innocent Syrians, though.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
224. I've seen 'em. Putin is for peace, love, and rock'n'roll. Well maybe not rock (ask Pussy Riot)...
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:09 PM
Sep 2013

Oh, and maybe not love -- just ask the LGBT community. That leaves peace. He's totally for peace.

Those posts are out there, cherokeeprogressive, starting with his aid to Snowden/Greenwald and continuing to his opposition to the US interfering in Syria. A lot of them like RT for their source.

If you have somehow missed them, consider yourself lucky. It's a bit like falling down the rabbit hole, all things considered. There's plenty of room for debate about all those issues without dragging the goodness of KGB Vlad into it.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
269. Well it looks like I'm taking your word for it, cuz you say I have to. Not SOP for GD...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:58 AM
Sep 2013

but if you say you've seen posts saying "Putin is for peace, love, and rock 'n' roll." and that they're out there but refuse to provide links to examples, who am I to question your authority on the subject?

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
238. THIS and Pretzel Warrior can't and Pretzel Warrior won't --what does that tell you?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:33 PM
Sep 2013

even he knows it's all nonsense.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
245. it's made up bullshit and the OP has responded that he won't provide examples
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:43 PM
Sep 2013

and i would add, such examples don't exist.

but the OP can get us all to chase our tails by accusing us of posting things that don't exist.

William769

(55,124 posts)
37. You are correct as usual.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:34 PM
Sep 2013

I wish the people that believe that "Russia a bastion of freedom" would explain that to the LGBT community (now that would be some great comedy writing there).

Putin is a fucking asshole and has a cesspool for a country (thats me being nice).

MADem

(135,425 posts)
73. But....but.....but!!!!!
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:59 PM
Sep 2013

You know.... SNOWDEN!!!

And....like....

He doesn't really MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN it!

And.....and....

Snowden! Yeah, SNOWDEN!!!!

Why are you being so difficult....and SELFISH..... and refusing to UNDERSTAND??????

Information must be FREEEEEEEEE!!! Putin LOVES us!!!!


I'm a-gonna put one or two of these up in here just for those who don't understand over-the-top

Number23

(24,544 posts)
288. Often the main ones doing the "what Putin love? I see NUTHING!" are the main ones kicking
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:05 PM
Sep 2013

and recing the posts and threads doing exactly that. But I guess no one is supposed to notice that.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
290. lol!
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:10 PM
Sep 2013

You got that right.

I never thought I would see the day when an egotistical asshole that wants to harm members of the lgbt community be a fucking hero at DU.

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
25. They've kind of proven themselves worthy of contempt lately
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:27 PM
Sep 2013


They don't understand that poison gas is orders of magnitude more heinous than even the worst conventional weapons...

And they think Putin is a sincere peacenik while Obama and Kerry have suddenly become modern day equivalents of General Custer.


It's thinking every bit as contemptible as the shite found on Free Republic.
 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
199. Oh good!
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 09:21 PM
Sep 2013

an expert. I've been wanting to know....would it be better or worse to die from phosphorus explosions, land minds, scud missiles, agent orange, napalm or sarin gas?

Please hurry and answer so I can pass this info on to the people in Syria, they are just dying for an answer you know.

DeltaLitProf

(766 posts)
138. Get a life and a sense of humor pal.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:26 PM
Sep 2013

Let's not further gratify the Right by behaving their stereotype about us.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
2. Oh god
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:15 PM
Sep 2013

Is this kindergarten?



Nope, won't alert. I don't play rigged games either, but two posts from two different posters that are just vile.

On the other hand, I will open the kiddie wing at the ignore list.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
28. I think that is still ongoing though
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:29 PM
Sep 2013

At this point all I can say is that people are willfully blind due to yes, a cult of personality.

It affects some people even in advanced democracies, can't be helped. I am sure there is another Ph.D thesis in this..so graduate students, look into that. DU has a wing that is just textbook.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
3. Here are a few
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:15 PM
Sep 2013

Last edited Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:55 PM - Edit history (1)

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Cleita

(75,480 posts)
13. Kind of flabby and out of shape isn't he?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:21 PM
Sep 2013

I know just the trainer to get him a six pack abs and toned biceps.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. He does need to get to the gym
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:24 PM
Sep 2013

Last edited Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Maybe he can find one in Alaska

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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
196. He's not welcome here.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 09:05 PM
Sep 2013

Our bears do not want to get his anti gay cooties from wrestling with him. He does not have a state issued hunting permit allowing his aides to preshoot his moose for him.
I'll keep him out. I'm looking out of my bedroom window prepared to stand my ground if I see Putin crossing the Bering strait.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
31. UH OH, he has a gun. Oh wait, he is a 1% and in government, so it is ok
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:30 PM
Sep 2013

Thank god he was not just an everyday citizen, there would be an outrage and thread about it.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
201. Since you are the
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 09:26 PM
Sep 2013

only one posting pictures of this kind, it might lead one to believe you are kinda "hung up" on this dude.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
209. For some reason, I find him amusing
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 09:48 PM
Sep 2013

though he is an evil bastard.

he seems to like to have his photos taken doing all sorts of things and he looks ridiculous.

DeltaLitProf

(766 posts)
139. Now that is the t-shirt shot.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:28 PM
Sep 2013

In the years to come this will rival the shot of (sorry about the choice of words there) Che Guevara looking into the distance.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
22. funny. I have.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:25 PM
Sep 2013

it's all in good fun. why are people so sensitive? Have a little fun, folks! President Putin averted WAR!

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
27. I noticed blue links from BOG'ers get flamed
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:28 PM
Sep 2013

not interested in the extra work just to get flamed. but thanks.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
52. I'm quite certain you may even think a handful of people may believe that little rationalization...
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:45 PM
Sep 2013

"not interested in the extra work just to get flamed..."

I'm quite certain you may even think a handful of people may believe that little rationalization...

bullwinkle428

(20,626 posts)
26. Dear Pretzel Warrior : Your fine work in the defense of all things
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:28 PM
Sep 2013

American, up to and including baseball, hot dogs, and apple pie, has been accomplished! Job well done, sir!

Sincerely,

The Ghost of Senator Joseph McCarthy (R-formerly Wisconsin, now hell)

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
32. Well, maybe when you start threads calling anyone opposed to military intervention Putin lovers
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:31 PM
Sep 2013

You can expect some fucking backlash.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
34. that's not what I was doing. I was calling people who give high praise to Putin "Putin Lovers"
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:32 PM
Sep 2013

I know that is a complex notion, but nonetheless..the fact. Way to swear. I love swear words.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
97. WOW---where in that OP is there a single word about "military intervention?"
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:19 PM
Sep 2013

If the shoe does not fit it is best to not try to wear it.

How do you know--and you don't--that the OP wasn't talking about all the Snowden-Love that Pootie has been getting along with all of his other shenanigans?

"Fucking backlash" --- sure. You're writing the script and bringing your own outrage.

My mind went to all the "fucking" with us that Pootie has done in recent months--not just the Syria business.

He's not our friend. He is a KGB operative who knows how to turn an asset, and he's done a good job of that, to the cheers of those here who think he's an altruist when in fact he's an asshole.

Rah, rah, siss boom bah....Yay, POOTIE!!!!

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
30. I don't think you will understand why this post is offensive even if I explain it to you.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:29 PM
Sep 2013

This isn't about heroes or hero worship. This is about policy and about welcoming any avenue by which we can find a diplomatic, rather than military, outcome. If John Kerry offers a way to avoid war and Putin and Assad seize on that avenue, that is a good thing.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
35. I'm right there with you on that. This has nothing to do with that specifically
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:33 PM
Sep 2013

It has to do with an encroaching love affair with Putin and Russia that I see and clearly others on this thread see as well.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
210. You know ...
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 10:03 PM
Sep 2013

it's gettin' where "the lady doth protest to much".

You have some hang-ups, but I guess you are aware of that, huh. It's okay, there's nothing wrong with it you know.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
36. This is just as stupid and juvenile
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:34 PM
Sep 2013

as the right-wingers were being, calling those of us against the Iraq invasion 'Saddam lovers'.

Most of us just hate WAR, period.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
44. probably not yet. still being processed by the admins, no doubt :D
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:39 PM
Sep 2013

do you think anyone has ever smashed their computer screen when they see your bug avatar?

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
41. One of the stupidest OPs I've ever seen on DU.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:38 PM
Sep 2013

Unbelievable. This is akin to "They hate us for our freedoms."

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
45. I think people who believe Snowden was right when he said
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:40 PM
Sep 2013

Russia is some kinda great human rights place is the stupidest ever. Now that Snowden is a Russian, everything Putin is so kewl.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
58. Snowden is a Russian?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:50 PM
Sep 2013

What kind of stash do you peeps have over in teh Bog?

Lot of crazy talk going on today.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
122. So you confirm that you were just making shit up. Thanks.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:59 PM
Sep 2013

Oh, and you couldn't make it more clear that you have no desire to be taken seriously. Not really sure why you come here.

Rah Rah Sis Boom Bah!

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
124. And you confirm that Putin is now the good guy because Snowden
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:01 PM
Sep 2013

thumbdrived his way over to Russia with classified docs.

okay.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
125. Really? Where did I do that? Link please.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:04 PM
Sep 2013

Edit... Yeah, I didn't think so.

I will file you under makes up shit.

Response to flamingdem (Reply #128)

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
46. no. it is not even remotely like that.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:40 PM
Sep 2013

it's more like saying something like, "Hey, why are we giving Stalin the credit for FDR winning WW2?"

polly7

(20,582 posts)
71. FDR didn't win WW2.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:58 PM
Sep 2013

It took a lot of sacrifice and years of fighting before FDR even got into it. Many nations share in the defeat of Hitler, the Soviet Union sacrificed more than anyone. Read some history.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
74. I have. probably WAY MORE than you. FDR delayed D-day specifically to bleed Russia
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:01 PM
Sep 2013

and not create the second front too soon. But, the United States war machine overwhelmed Axis powers and defeated them. For someone to rip away the credit from FDR and hand it to say, Stalin, would be sour grapes. Kind of like you're doing.

neverforget

(9,433 posts)
193. Good grief. We weren't ready in 1942 or 1943 to invade Europe. We didn't have enough
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:54 PM
Sep 2013

equipment or men under arms until 1944 for the invasion to work. The Allies didn't let the Soviets bleed for nefarious reasons. We just weren't ready as we were fighting in the Pacific (41-45), North Africa (Nov 42-May 43), Sicily (July-August 43) and Italy (Sept 43- May 45). In no way, does any of that diminish FDR.

For D-Day, our troops were well-supplied, well-trained and had combat experience to take on the Germans for a prolonged campaign to end the war.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
178. "Sacrificed", indeed
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 07:41 PM
Sep 2013

A lot of the USSR's war dead died not at the hands of the Nazis, but at the hands of fellow "countrymen", or at least, people from other parts of the USSR. For example, a lot of Ukrainians sided with Hitler because they saw him as a way to liberate them from Stalin. The same goes for people in the Baltic republics who were forcibly annexed into the USSR after the war started.

Unfortunately, people in the Baltic republics were doomed one way or the other. For example, Latvia was annexed into the USSR in August 1940, and in June 1941 Stalin began massive deportations of "anti-Soviet elements" to Siberia. But when the Nazis invaded later that year, they began their purge of gypsies, Jews, and other Latvian groups they didn't like. So really, it's tough to determine how many victims in the USSR were "sacrificed" by Hitler, and how many were "sacrificed" by Stalin.

Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. The pale enigma from Leningrad...in ELEVATOR shoes....!!!!
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:48 PM
Sep 2013

Some folks just go weak-kneed for a fish-kisser.

Swoon, now, swoon!

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
65. I'd be embarrassed if you were one of the people who tended to agree with me.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:55 PM
Sep 2013

I notice they're not rec'ing your post.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
72. who cares? Point was made. and that was the point
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 01:59 PM
Sep 2013

it still went to the greatest page. I know that irks you.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
77. It doesn't irk me. You're just trolling.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:04 PM
Sep 2013

I assure you I don't give anything you post any weight. It's why I thought of the people who tend back you up, and not you.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
92. I made a point about what I saw on DU re: Putin. People can choose to agree or disagree or ignore
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:15 PM
Sep 2013

I decided to take the opportunity to make that point. Done.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
134. I agree, Manny.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:24 PM
Sep 2013

This post should be Recommended straight to the Top of the Greatest Page
as a testament to the quality of THOUGHT and Discernment emanating from the BOG these days.

Great Post, Pretzel_Warrior.
Very representative of you and yours.
EVERYBODY should see this and KNOW who and what you are.



You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]




Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
84. that is a pretty good one. we do look like a circular firing squad
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:10 PM
Sep 2013

thank God the actual Democratic leaders aren't being so vicious toward each other and are giving the floor to the Republicans to tear each other to shreds.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
86. I would argue that there is a contingent on DU who are just like Tea Partiers
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:12 PM
Sep 2013

and BushBots. Ignoring facts, participating in idol worship, playing a team sport, not realizing they are cheering on someone who fights against their interests and the very principles of our democracy.

Quick! Someone start a BOG! We needs more pictures! Oh... wait... there already is a BOG with a wealth of pics. Too bad all those lovely pics that Boggers love to ogle don't make Obama's policy any less harmful to our constitution and democracy.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
104. except of course when the owner of chemical weapons decides to back down
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:26 PM
Sep 2013

then all bets are off right?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
151. Those are the type of comments
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 04:21 PM
Sep 2013

that this post is a counter to.

Though this thread was interesting:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023631191

Maybe they are projecting when they call Obama's supporters fanbots and the like?

There's another one I can't find, but its first four are "I love this woman!" types of posts.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
155. My post is countering the OP.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 04:30 PM
Sep 2013

So there.

Personally, I have alerted on OPs from both viewpoints, but to no avail. Seems OPs meant only to ridicule and be divisive are allwed on DU.

As I mentioned to someone else in a discussion yesterday, I believe that DU's moderating system is abysmal. There should be zero tolerance of uncivil posts.

I made the post you replied to in response to the OP, in the same manner of the OP, to prove a point. And I continue to make posts about a certain group because I feel they are deserving of it and as long as they are allowed to ban people at will for absolutely no legit reason I feel it is fair game to call them out for it. However, I would prefer if all of it stopped and this board was better moderated so that everyone were allowed to speak their mind wherever they felt like it and it was always done in a civil and respectful manner.

Edit: And along with that the whole fan club mentality. In the case of Obama there are those that simply cannot bear to hear any criticism of him at all and also proclaim him brilliant and a chess master no matter what he does. So being civil is part of it, and not partaking in team sports and idol worship is also part of it.

As to Warren, I think we can all admit she is walking the walk. I have yet to see her sell out, although if she does I will be critical. But I will judge her based on her policies, as I do Obama.

As to others in the media, Tweety, etc... I find it funny how when they say one thing everyone loves them then they say another and they're a tool.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
156. Groups are allowed to ban
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 04:35 PM
Sep 2013

So can the Elizabeth Warren Group. Go in there and try to insult her. Or any group. So it is not fair game and is ad hominem.

It's one place where it's not anti-Obama all the time, so why it is so resented I don't know. They have the GD to "criticize" in and it's amazing this is supposed to be a place for Democrats when the GD has more negative than positive about Democrats.





cui bono

(19,926 posts)
162. I agree, it's amazing this is supposed to be for Democrats when the GD has so many
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 05:47 PM
Sep 2013

posts of people who are okay with our president starting a war that goes against international law, okay with unconstituional spying on Americans, okay with drone strikes, okay with Wall Street in the WH, okay with Wall Street getting bailed out rather than Main St, okay with putting SS on the negotiating table, okay with unprecedented whistleblower prosecutions...

Those who you see criticizing are criticizing policy, not just the person. Most of the defenders are defending the person and throwing out their principles by doing so since they are defending the NSA spying, military action without a UN resolution, denying SS was ever offered up...

When Democrats fail us it's up to us to try to bring them back and call them out. Obama said it himself, hold his feet to the fire.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
163. You have exaggerated views of the policies
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 06:13 PM
Sep 2013

Or are eager to use the most extreme verbiage possible to describe anything.

Democrats are not against every military action ever. Who would expect that? That's what the freepers may claim, but we aren't. Gassing people with chemical weapons is what's illegal.

"Spying on Americans" does not describe the actions debated, and the courts are there to decide what is constitutional or not.

The board is for Democrats, and has been taken over by those who don't support Democratic policies, and have some idealistic dream vision in their heads about what Democratic policies are.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
250. Well I disagree. I feel the board has been taken over by people who are blindly loyal
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:53 PM
Sep 2013

and who are now defending the actions of their president that they would have been up in arms about if it had been Bush. Many who were up in arms about it when it was Bush. That's what "freepers" would do, to use your terminology.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
111. Yep. We're just a bunch of Putin-swooning...
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:31 PM
Sep 2013

Rand Paul Supporting Libertarian racists...

...who happen to oppose unnecessary unilateral imperialistic wars for corporate profits.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
119. this isn't about pro war or anti war. it is about people who love to diss Obama so much
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:46 PM
Sep 2013

they will willingly embrace a cold hearted killer dictator as a supposedly more canny and reasonable altertnative.

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
131. Believe it or not...
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:17 PM
Sep 2013

... Obama is not the center of the universe for most of us. Not everything evolves around him. I would oppose such an attempt of committing a war crime whoever was in charge of it. It could be Mother Teresa. Most citizens of the planet oppose the attack on Syria and I really doubt their main motivation is opposing Obama, since they have nothing to gain out of that.

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
120. They're all COMMUNISTS!
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 02:48 PM
Sep 2013

All real Americans love war. I know this because I've never been in a real war, just like the other war experts Bush and Cheney.

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
129. Shirtless PALIN!
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 03:14 PM
Sep 2013

Most of us would change 2 letters and swoon over a shirtless Palin. We could put a bag over her mouth.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
159. Why does it have to be a pissing contest between Obama and Putin?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 05:28 PM
Sep 2013

In the end, it doesn't really matter which one can piss further as long as lives are saved. If so, please explain why?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
160. troll with a hint of homophobia. Excellent.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 05:39 PM
Sep 2013

I'm sorry, your war may not be available at this time. Please try again later.

QC

(26,371 posts)
170. No surprise, really.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 06:37 PM
Sep 2013

This is the guy who got banned back in 2009 for calling marriage equality a "fabulous pink pony."

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
259. 2009-2010 DU was toxic, nasty, & included a stalking group calling out even imagined homophobes
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:12 AM
Sep 2013

I don't remember specific posters (such as the author of the OP) except that at one point a gay friend of mine got banned for being, you guessed it, homophobic. When I had the temerity to defend him, my turn came. I was not banned, but after a few encounters with "the group" I took a long break.

Warren Stupidity -- are you really wanting to bring those days back? Disagree on the merits, disagree on whatever you like, but this, over Putin? Really?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
285. "Disagree on the merits" - seriously? The op is a flamebait trolling piece of crap.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 11:10 AM
Sep 2013

With, as I said, a hint of homophobia. It has no merits to discuss.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
286. The homophobia you see re: my OP is your own imagination
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:06 PM
Sep 2013

It never even occurred to me someone could draw that conclusion.

This swooning for shirtless Putin jab has everything to do with the many posters who call Obama supporters "swooners". Sorry you weren't able to see the obvious.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
303. Possibly the reference to swooning. Only BOGgers are supposed to swoon. Or at least people say we do
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 12:35 AM
Sep 2013


Accusing BOGgers of swooning is par for the course with some around here, and perhaps it is a measure of our flaccidity, er, placidity that we don't seem to really take offense at the term.

But apparently turn about is not fair play. Humorously pointing out that a certain shirtless Russian leader has a fan club here is a no-no, and referring to their behavior as swooning simply shows us up as the homophobic trash we really are.

See how that works?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
307. It takes a weird kind of sexism too
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:33 PM
Sep 2013

As if none of the posters are women, whose swooning over pooty poot would have nothing to do with being gay.

!

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
167. face it. There is a contingent on DU who's sole purpose
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 06:26 PM
Sep 2013

is to attempt to paint anyone with an original or different thought as lovers of the enemy, haters of Obama, Putin Swooners, Snowden worshippers, Greenwald Sycophants and whatever new ones they are coming up with this week.

I'd much rather be "swooning over a shirtless Putin" than be a humorless sycophant, who is so angry that the whole world can't see their brilliance, that they have reduced any serious debate to playground status.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
169. Geeze, what is wrong with you?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 06:33 PM
Sep 2013

I really don't even know how to respond to this weird post.

Let me just say that no one has to be swooning over Putin in order to think that maybe Putin endorsing the idea that neither the rebels nor the regime should be in control over the chemical weapons is a step forward - which we all know Putin would not have taken if it were not for the steps that Obama has taken.

I have not noticed any great Putin fan club on DU, personally.

RetroLounge

(37,250 posts)
171. I had to rec this dumbassery post
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 06:41 PM
Sep 2013

I'd hate to not share this amazing level of OP suckitude.

Quick, someone post the pics of Obama in a swimsuit!



RL

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
282. How about Putin on a pony...
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 02:09 AM
Sep 2013

Isn't he dreamy?





It's OP's such as this that are the reason why I'm no longer a star member. Why would I pay to read such scum?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
183. Here's how I know an OP is full of Industrial Strength Fail...
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:11 PM
Sep 2013

When even I get a satisfying sense of schadenfreude while reading it.

If it brings a sense of sense of schadenfreude to me, you know it's full of fail.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
184. it's all in your point of view. plenty of others loved it.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:13 PM
Sep 2013

so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
186. I don't have a problem with that. You go on believing there are people here who are swooning over
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:23 PM
Sep 2013

Putin's shirtless chest and ice blue eyes, and that there are people here who get chills up their spine when he speaks, and thrill to his each and every brilliant move. I'll go on believing that you're full of shit on this count and are simply stirring shit.

Doesn't mean I don't love ya.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
232. Pretzel Guy, stop posting things you don't even believe
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:25 PM
Sep 2013

seriously.

don't pretend it's point of view. your own point of view is that there aren't such posts here at DU.

you haven't provided one single, solitary example for something you say is common here at DU.

because YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE WHAT YOU'VE POSTED.

it's all BS. you wanted some attention, so you posted that something is believed here that isn't and unsurprisingly, nearly everyone doesn't like Putin and is obviously protesting when it's said they are adoring someone, sexually even, someone most people here despise.

if you tell us all that we believe X when almost all of us believe Y, you can get lots of arguments going.

but you have to lie to do that.

obviously telling the lies are worth it to you.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
189. "Do you like to ride?" He asked, his icy blue eyes seeming to look into my very soul.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:46 PM
Sep 2013

A hot flush suffused my face and neck. My breath caught in my throat. I had to lower my gaze as I fought to quell the trembling that seemed to spread from my very core, rendering all my limbs weak. I stammered a whispered, "Yes, sir." and pressed back against the wall of the cottage as I struggled to hold myself from falling faint.

His hard calloused hand gently stroked my cheek, then softly grasped my chin, raising my head up again, to meet his searching eyes. "You must come with me, little comrade. You are meant for finer things than harvesting potatoes in the hot sun."

Without another word his strong hands clasped my waist and lifted me onto the bare back of his waiting steed. A moment later, with the grace of a mighty lion, he vaulted onto the muscular back of his beautiful golden mount, settling in front of me. "Hold on to me, little comrade, hold tight!" And with a forceful nudge of his heels against the horse's flanks, we set off at a gallop.

Oh, how to describe that wild reckless run across the steppes! Flying over the ground, my thighs pressed tightly against the rolling muscles of the galloping horse, my arms wrapped tightly around his muscular torso, pressing my breasts against the warm, sweat-dampened skin of his bare back.

I had no sense of time, nor of the miles passing. I felt utterly taken outside myself, with no thought but for the ecstatic sensations of the wind passing by and the heat the bodies beneath and before me.

It seemed a timeless time until we reached a shaded glade at the edge of a forest. With just a word he brought his steed to a stop, then dismounted in a single graceful leap, and his sinewy hands wrapped around my waist and set me on the ground.

Without a word he wrapped his arms around me, and suddenly his warm lips were pressed against mine. I felt myself quivering with desire and surrendered utterly. As one we sank down upon the mossy bed, surrounded by the tall fragrant pines towering above us. My heartbeat was racing as his hot mouth slid down to my throat, while his hands expertly began to unlace my bodice. I felt his manhood swelling against my trembling thighs.

"Oh yes, take me!" I moaned...








MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
216. Whoooah.. yeeah...
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:01 PM
Sep 2013

Now, we're getting somewhere with this thread!

You either can write romance or got this hot from the pages of one? Either way, it's a fucking GREAT response!

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
227. Thank you. I'm glad you liked it.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:14 PM
Sep 2013
"I can picture the book cover."


Yep, I just need to flesh it out a bit more...

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
222. This could be your week, scarlet woman...
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:08 PM
Sep 2013

Look at all the material you'll have to work with as one after another tries to predict who has us "under the spell"!

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
231. I will admit that Putin is a rather good looking older man...
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:23 PM
Sep 2013

And photos of him when he was young pretty much explain why...

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
299. OMG! You win the thread. In fact you win all of DU today.....
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:47 PM
Sep 2013

You could make a living writing Harlequin Romance Novels. Your good.

Wish I could rec your post.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
190. Ice blue eyes are a sign of being a white walker.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 08:49 PM
Sep 2013

Now we have to figure out if he's an 'Other' or a wight. If he a wight, who's controlling him? If he an other, who are the wights?

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
204. Is this your idea of "Obama support"?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 09:34 PM
Sep 2013

Seriously. Are you actually trying to drive people AWAY from him? What is the purpose of posting juvenile tripe like this? To divide people on DU even further?

Jaysus flipping christ.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
292. Rec'ing this thread just for this post. Props to everyone that made the personal choice not to get
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:20 PM
Sep 2013

dismayed over this meaningless bit of silliness. GOD some folks around here need deep, penetrating prune enemas.

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
283. Don't get the "bully Putin" thing.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 02:40 AM
Sep 2013

The US is the one trying to start an international conflict here, and Putin, wether you like him, despise him, or sees him as an actor in the international scene with which acts under positive and negative actions at times, is the one helping prevent it. One can argue that he's not doing it as a humanitarian action, but I think he will get many honest thanks from around the world if he's able to prevent it. Hope he's able to stand on this.

I'm not entirely confident, though. I think soon another "reason" to intervene in Syria will appear. This is part of a long time strategy to get Syria rid of its secular government, shared by the Arab states and the US, though for different reasons. The authentic protests of the Syrian people were hijacked by foreigners, either jihadists or paid mercenaries, and agents of the US.

In orther to stop wars a very deep reform in the US foreign policy and the country's economic dependence on the war/oil industries would be needed. I thought Obama would be the one to propose it...

And, as shown, Obama also takes his shirt off. Wow. Big deal.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
295. Of course it's absurd. As is 80% of what I read on DU
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:43 PM
Sep 2013

But the 20% makes wading through all the "hair on fire" stuff somewhat bearable.

There are plenty of people here who "got the joke". Only a few doth protest too much....it is uncomfortable when they have their own childish tactics held up to the light.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
293. Just my 2 cents... this post was bait. Lost me at accusing someone of having love for Putin.
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 01:23 PM
Sep 2013

Carry on DUers. Your opinions matter. You are all awesome! (well, except for you trolls... you guys are ugly, mean, and you smell bad.)

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
297. I see now people are LOOKING for reasons to hide threads. Here was my comment
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:10 PM
Sep 2013

In reference to Romney:

"Please proceed to look like a Mormon not ready for prime time slime.
We all await your terrific answers, you smarmy rich boy WASC! (White Anglo Saxon Cultist)"

4-2 to hide. I didn't realize Mormons were seen as anything other than a cult here. Shows what I know.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
300. Another glorious thread fail!
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:51 PM
Sep 2013

So how is that 'starting all over with DU' stuff working out for you!?

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
301. just fine. you will admit juries are applying unequal justice?
Tue Sep 10, 2013, 05:54 PM
Sep 2013

and choosing to make examples of people using the letter rather than spirit of rules of civil debate?

One hopes you're at least able to dredge up that small modicum of honesty.

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