Police fail to find gun allegedly used by George Zimmerman to threaten wife and her father

[David Krout]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-gun-incident-florida-trayvon-martin/2788443/

No proof of assault confirmed either.

Deputy Police Chief Colin Morgan said officers have not recovered a gun.

The dispute "was between him and his wife and her father,'' Morgan said. "There were some allegations that there had been an assault, but we could not confirm any of it. Witnesses do not want to speak to anyone until they speak to their lawyer.''

The 911 call, which Morgan described as a "domestic violence call,'' came in around 2 p.m. Monday.

Morgan said that when officers received the call, they understood it was from a house in the central Florida town where Zimmerman had been living.

[global1]

1. Why Does It Always Appear That The Police Come To The Support Of Zimmerman?....nt

[David Krout]

2. Do you think the gun allegation is true? Nt

[Tanuki]

8. Do you have some reason to think it is false? n/t

[David Krout]

15. Being that I live in NY and do not know the parties involved, I don't have reason to think anything

Who knows what happened?

[Yo_Mama]

11. They arrested him

Do you define "support of Zimmerman" as not planting a gun?

If they didn't find a gun, they didn't find a gun. They had two witnesses who said this occurred, so they arrested him. They aren't supposed to lie about what they found, and if they can't turn up decent grounds (witness statements, etc), then they'll have to let him go.

[wild bird]

20. The police did not arrest him, they held him in "investigative detention" while investegating. nt.

[gopiscrap]

3. I thought some said they confiscated his gun? (MSNBC, I think?)

[MoonRiver]

4. That's what I heard to.

[maddezmom]

9. Heard the same on Martin Bashir

And it is here, too.


Bracknell said police would document the incident thoroughly in case Shellie Zimmerman or her father changed their minds about pursuing charges.

Officers were also reviewing surveillance video from the house which may have captured what happened.

Police seized Zimmerman's gun, but Hudson said "more than likely we'll be giving it back."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-in-custody-gun-20130909,0,4880482.story?Sdsdae

[David Krout]

16. Did they seize the gun after finding it in the location of the incident?

Or did they simply find the gun elsewhere?

[maddezmom]

17. They didn't say

So I would have no idea.

[backscatter712]

13. Maybe the cops "lost" his gun... n/t

[dmr]

5. Maybe he handed it off to his bodyguards.

Listen to Shellie's 911 tape at about 2:52 where she tells the dispatcher the police are telling the bodyguards to get out of the way.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-in-custody-gun-20130909,0,4880482.story?Sdsdae

[Tanuki]

10. I just listened to the 911 tape. Did you hear the very last line,

just before it cuts off? Shellie says something like: "There's a woman in there...OMG, there's a woman in there!" I wonder what that was all about?
(Edit to say the tape I mentioned was at DMR's link in post I was responding to)

[PearliePoo2]

12. Yeah, I heard that!

Shellie was absolutely freaking out about that. A woman where, do you suppose? In Zimmerman's car?
The fuck had body guards with him to come over and rough up Shellie and her dad?
Holy shit but does this ever get stranger all the time!

[dmr]

21. I wonder what that was all about, and why did they cut

the tape off? Were they disconnected or is there something else?

Who's paying all this money to pay for bodyguards? It can't be all from small donations. Someone or something (NRA maybe) fronting this money?

The biggest danger to Zimmerman is Zimmerman himself.

[kestrel91316]

6. I bet he handed it to his bodyguard to stash.

[warrior1]

7. this dude always has a gun on him

maybe he's hiding evidence.

[maddezmom]

14. I don't believe USAToday's quote is accurate

There was a gun at the scene but the police said it wasn't used in the altercation
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/09/09/george-zimmerman-trouble-again

[David Krout]

18. Can you tell me what you've heard about the lady's father's apparently broken nose?

Were pictures taken of his nose? Did he go to the hospital? I have been looking for confirmation about that alleged injury.

[maddezmom]

19. Heard he was treated at the scene but that is all I know.

The police have said they are going to continue to investigate so maybe they will take pictures.

[David Krout]

22. GZ's ex-wife can take pictures, if she wants

Even tomorrow.

[maddezmom]

24. Since they don't seem to pressing charges they probably don't need a pic

[maddezmom]

26. More info:

But fire officials who responded to the scene “checked everyone physically” and found that “no one had any visible marks or needed any treatment,” according to Hudson.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/09/20406563-police-called-to-incident-between-george-zimmerman-wife

[wild bird]

28. This is what baffles me, according to Shellie, GZ punched her father in the nose,

if that were true, and I've treated enough punched noses to know, there would be physical evidence of this and the police would be required to take pictures and make an arrest.

Not defending GZ, but did Shellie maybe embellish her story a little bit and then have to walk it back when Paramedics found no physical or visible marks?

Just like her saying he had his hand on his gun and then have to admit that she didn't see a gun?
Something here doesn't pass the smell test.

Did an altercation take place? I believe so. Was it as bad as claimed on the 911 tape by Shellie? The follow up investigation hopefully will clear that up, but at the moment, it looks like it wasn't as bad as the 911 call indicates.

[heaven05]

30. nah, the father-in-law wasn't punched.

the sidewalk jumped up and hit him in the nose.

[maddezmom]

23. SZ changed her story about the gun but GZ could still face charges

Bracknell also stated that initially Shellie Zimmerman told officers that she had seen her husband touching his gun, but that she later told police she never actually saw the gun. The police chief said that, based on his understanding of Shellie Zimmerman's intentions, she will not be pressing charges at this time.

George Zimmerman could, however, face charges involving violations of Florida's domestic violence laws. The Lake Mary Police Department is currently working with the Seminole County State Attorney's office to see if they have a strong enough case to pursue such charges, but according to Bracknell, "We simply do not have a case at this juncture."

More:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/09/shellie-zimmerman-george-zimmerman_n_3895991.html

[MoonRiver]

25. Sure hope they find a way to make it work.

GZ belongs behind bars.

[struggle4progress]

27. ... Lake Mary Police public information officer Zach Hudson said .... Police confiscated

George Zimmerman’s gun for the time being, which is standard procedure, but he was “free to go” ...
Police called to incident between George Zimmerman, wife
By Tracy Connor and Daniel Arkin, NBC News

[struggle4progress]

29. ... Mark O’Mara, Zimmerman’s attorney, said ... Zimmerman had a gun but it was holstered

under his shirt and stayed there the whole time ...
George Zimmerman Arrested? Wife and Wife’s Father Won’t Press Charges After He Threatened to Shoot Them
By Zachary Stieber, Epoch Times | September 9, 2013


... Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara stated later ... Zimmerman did not touch his gun ...
George, Shellie Zimmerman will not press charges for domestic incident
by Rachel Delinski, Herald Editor
September 09 2013 at 1425