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Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 08:24 PM Sep 2013

HRW: New 68-pg report documenting mass executions by Syrian gov in two coastal towns

Re-posted from a reply to this thread, because the report really deserves more exposure than that...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662649



Syria: Mass Executions by Government Forces
New Evidence That at Least 248 Executed in Coastal Towns

September 13, 2013 Human Rights Watch

http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/13/syria-mass-executions-government-forces


Link below: The 68-page report by HRW linked to in the article, includes numerous witness accounts and names names, places, and dates. It is nobody's opinion, it's all specific facts. I read the whole thing and I recommend it to anyone who wants to understand what's going on in Syria right now. The massacres in these towns BY GOVERNMENT FORCES took place during 2 days last May. Read it, put yourself in their place, and see if you can better understand the rage in the OP article. I'm not excusing it, but it does make more sense

“No One’s Left”: Summary Executions by Syrian Forces in al-Bayda and Baniyas


I'm pretty sure that report was just released today. Here's another worthwhile report released today, a film called "Not Anymore: A Story of Revolution". I highly recommend this too. The line that got me, when Nour, a 24 year old English teacher says, "Why should I die cheap?". She meant accidentally, by stray shrapnel or something, as opposed to doing something to help her country. Please watch it, and read the report.



If anyone can read every word of that 68-page report, and still honestly argue that we should do nothing to stop that carnage, then I could only say that we'd have to agree to disagree.
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HRW: New 68-pg report documenting mass executions by Syrian gov in two coastal towns (Original Post) Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 OP
There is now a HRW video on the May 2-3 massacre. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #1
Thanks for posting that. I'm going to read the report tonight.... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #2
Thanks for commenting, Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #3
Hi VC! Turborama Sep 2013 #5
Hey Turbo! Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #7
This was also posted in LBN and it does deserve more exposure than that, too Turborama Sep 2013 #4
Wow, thanks for that! Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #8
You're not the only one who thinks this is worthy of a big discussion here... Violet_Crumble Sep 2013 #10
Thanks for posting. Daniel537 Sep 2013 #6
"These stories need to be told." Yes, they sure do. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #9
Kick Scurrilous Sep 2013 #11

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
1. There is now a HRW video on the May 2-3 massacre.
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:17 AM
Sep 2013

Do we care about this? I think we're going to be hearing a lot more about it by Monday.




I found it in this new article by Juan Cole...

7 Million Displaced Syrians, Bayda Massacre, & other Reports you Didn’t see on American TV (9/14/2013)
http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/displaced-massacre-american.html

Violet_Crumble

(35,955 posts)
2. Thanks for posting that. I'm going to read the report tonight....
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:44 AM
Sep 2013

I agree with what HRW is urging the Security Council to do:

Refer the situation in Syria to the International Criminal Court (ICC)

Require states to suspend all military sales and assistance, including technical training and services, to the Syrian government

Request that Syria grant the UN Human Rights Council Commission of Inquiry unrestricted access to al-Bayda and Baniyas


Only problem is that the UNSC is broken and has been for a long time. Just like the US stymies any attempt to bring Israel into line, Russia does the same for Syria

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
3. Thanks for commenting,
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 06:41 AM
Sep 2013

I agree with that, and it seems Ban Ki-moon does too. He said on Friday that Assad had “committed many crimes against humanity. Therefore, I’m sure that there will be surely the process of accountability when everything is over."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10308480/Assad-guilty-of-crimes-against-humanity-says-UN-chief-Ban-Ki-Moon.html

If I were Assad, I'd be watching out for an ICC referral in the future. It's possible that if he becomes ugly enough, his friends on the Security Council could ditch him.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
4. This was also posted in LBN and it does deserve more exposure than that, too
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 11:55 AM
Sep 2013

There's been little condemnation and plenty of goalpost shifting: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014593756

Thanks for posting the vids and the Jaun Cole article (which could also be OPs in their own right, IMO - if you do please let me know).

I've started consolidating all the articles I and some others posted during the beginning of the revolution, here's how the timeline looks so far...

It seems people need reminding (or informed if they are only starting to learn about what happened now) that the protesters were unarmed, the protests were peaceful and that The Free Syrian Army traces its origin to early defectors from the Syrian army.

February 02, 2011
Calls for weekend protests in Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4719966

March 18, 2011
Syrian plainclothes police forcefully disperse protest in Damascus / Protests across Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4777117

March 25, 2011
(At least 20) Deaths as Syrian forces fire on protesters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4787258

April, 02 2011
Syria uprising: Dissidents seized from their homes (+Wounded & killed protesters are being vanished)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4798501

April 22, 2011
Syria: Assad troops 'fire on Friday prayers protesters'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4948422

April 26, 2011
Syrian regime's attacks on protesters escalate (& at least 500 pro-democracy activists arrested)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4827828
(lots of other reports in this thread)

April 29, 2011
Up to 15 killed in clashes in Syrian cities as thousands protest
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4832486

May 30, 2011
13 year old Syrian boy arrested, brutally tortured(beaten, burned,slashed,penis cut off), murdered
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1201377

Videos here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4912878

June 10, 2011
Fears for Syrian child protesters amid fresh reports of deaths
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/fears-syrian-children-detention-amid-fresh-reports-torture-death-2011-06-09

July 09, 2011
Syrian forces 'ordered to shoot to kill' (Lots of reports from recently defected security forces)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4913021

August 05 2011
Syria violence: 'At least 2,000 killed', says US
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4948422

November 29, 2011
More Than 250 Children Among Dead, U.N. Says
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203935604577066623669457632.html

I'll probably post it as an OP when I've finished putting it all together.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
8. Wow, thanks for that!
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 04:13 AM
Sep 2013

Yes, I do think some reminding is needed on the background of this. It has gone on for so long already (since March 2011) that a lot is gone from awareness by now.

The first thing Assad did was kick the journalists out, creating a news blackout in effect. I feel that what little "on the ground" reporting that gets out about Syria, should be noticed and considered.

Thank you for keeping so much good info together. and for the LBN post which I somehow managed to miss (coincidence of when I was on, I guess). I think this report is worthy of a big discussion on GD, but maybe I'm wrong about that, at least I'm glad to see that it was covered somewhere on DU. And your thread is very well done too, thank you for it!

Will watch any OP you may put together, that would be great.

Violet_Crumble

(35,955 posts)
10. You're not the only one who thinks this is worthy of a big discussion here...
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 06:39 AM
Sep 2013

I'm pretty sure I know why it's not getting any attention, and I'm finding it really disappointing

Thank you anyway for posting it...

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
6. Thanks for posting.
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 12:01 PM
Sep 2013

These stories need to be told. The level of indifference and nihilism among so many people today is truly appalling.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
9. "These stories need to be told." Yes, they sure do.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 04:39 AM
Sep 2013

Especially considering how much risk it takes to get the stories out to us. I think the Syrians taking part in doing this (like those in the video above, or in the reports) are very brave, and essential. They are putting their lives on the line to make their corner of the world better, and they deserve at least our attention, if nothing else. How does the world ever get better, if people like them don't make the effort they do?

If we become unable to even look at anything that could possibly enter into an equation that might somehow, someday result in a need for military action on our part, we will have tunnel-vision indeed. Especially in that region.

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