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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHRW: New 68-pg report documenting mass executions by Syrian gov in two coastal towns
Re-posted from a reply to this thread, because the report really deserves more exposure than that...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662649
Syria: Mass Executions by Government Forces
New Evidence That at Least 248 Executed in Coastal Towns
September 13, 2013 Human Rights Watch
http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/13/syria-mass-executions-government-forces
Link below: The 68-page report by HRW linked to in the article, includes numerous witness accounts and names names, places, and dates. It is nobody's opinion, it's all specific facts. I read the whole thing and I recommend it to anyone who wants to understand what's going on in Syria right now. The massacres in these towns BY GOVERNMENT FORCES took place during 2 days last May. Read it, put yourself in their place, and see if you can better understand the rage in the OP article. I'm not excusing it, but it does make more sense
No Ones Left: Summary Executions by Syrian Forces in al-Bayda and Baniyas
I'm pretty sure that report was just released today. Here's another worthwhile report released today, a film called "Not Anymore: A Story of Revolution". I highly recommend this too. The line that got me, when Nour, a 24 year old English teacher says, "Why should I die cheap?". She meant accidentally, by stray shrapnel or something, as opposed to doing something to help her country. Please watch it, and read the report.
If anyone can read every word of that 68-page report, and still honestly argue that we should do nothing to stop that carnage, then I could only say that we'd have to agree to disagree.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Do we care about this? I think we're going to be hearing a lot more about it by Monday.
I found it in this new article by Juan Cole...
7 Million Displaced Syrians, Bayda Massacre, & other Reports you Didnt see on American TV (9/14/2013)
http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/displaced-massacre-american.html
Violet_Crumble
(35,955 posts)I agree with what HRW is urging the Security Council to do:
Require states to suspend all military sales and assistance, including technical training and services, to the Syrian government
Request that Syria grant the UN Human Rights Council Commission of Inquiry unrestricted access to al-Bayda and Baniyas
Only problem is that the UNSC is broken and has been for a long time. Just like the US stymies any attempt to bring Israel into line, Russia does the same for Syria
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I agree with that, and it seems Ban Ki-moon does too. He said on Friday that Assad had committed many crimes against humanity. Therefore, Im sure that there will be surely the process of accountability when everything is over."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10308480/Assad-guilty-of-crimes-against-humanity-says-UN-chief-Ban-Ki-Moon.html
If I were Assad, I'd be watching out for an ICC referral in the future. It's possible that if he becomes ugly enough, his friends on the Security Council could ditch him.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)I got your DUmail and will get back to you soon.
Sorry about the delay...
Violet_Crumble
(35,955 posts)Take yr time. I don't put a time limit on replying to my PMs
Turborama
(22,109 posts)There's been little condemnation and plenty of goalpost shifting: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014593756
Thanks for posting the vids and the Jaun Cole article (which could also be OPs in their own right, IMO - if you do please let me know).
I've started consolidating all the articles I and some others posted during the beginning of the revolution, here's how the timeline looks so far...
It seems people need reminding (or informed if they are only starting to learn about what happened now) that the protesters were unarmed, the protests were peaceful and that The Free Syrian Army traces its origin to early defectors from the Syrian army.
February 02, 2011
Calls for weekend protests in Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4719966
March 18, 2011
Syrian plainclothes police forcefully disperse protest in Damascus / Protests across Syria
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4777117
March 25, 2011
(At least 20) Deaths as Syrian forces fire on protesters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4787258
April, 02 2011
Syria uprising: Dissidents seized from their homes (+Wounded & killed protesters are being vanished)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4798501
April 22, 2011
Syria: Assad troops 'fire on Friday prayers protesters'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4948422
April 26, 2011
Syrian regime's attacks on protesters escalate (& at least 500 pro-democracy activists arrested)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4827828
(lots of other reports in this thread)
April 29, 2011
Up to 15 killed in clashes in Syrian cities as thousands protest
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4832486
May 30, 2011
13 year old Syrian boy arrested, brutally tortured(beaten, burned,slashed,penis cut off), murdered
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1201377
Videos here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4912878
June 10, 2011
Fears for Syrian child protesters amid fresh reports of deaths
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/fears-syrian-children-detention-amid-fresh-reports-torture-death-2011-06-09
July 09, 2011
Syrian forces 'ordered to shoot to kill' (Lots of reports from recently defected security forces)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4913021
August 05 2011
Syria violence: 'At least 2,000 killed', says US
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4948422
November 29, 2011
More Than 250 Children Among Dead, U.N. Says
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203935604577066623669457632.html
I'll probably post it as an OP when I've finished putting it all together.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Yes, I do think some reminding is needed on the background of this. It has gone on for so long already (since March 2011) that a lot is gone from awareness by now.
The first thing Assad did was kick the journalists out, creating a news blackout in effect. I feel that what little "on the ground" reporting that gets out about Syria, should be noticed and considered.
Thank you for keeping so much good info together. and for the LBN post which I somehow managed to miss (coincidence of when I was on, I guess). I think this report is worthy of a big discussion on GD, but maybe I'm wrong about that, at least I'm glad to see that it was covered somewhere on DU. And your thread is very well done too, thank you for it!
Will watch any OP you may put together, that would be great.
Violet_Crumble
(35,955 posts)I'm pretty sure I know why it's not getting any attention, and I'm finding it really disappointing
Thank you anyway for posting it...
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)These stories need to be told. The level of indifference and nihilism among so many people today is truly appalling.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Especially considering how much risk it takes to get the stories out to us. I think the Syrians taking part in doing this (like those in the video above, or in the reports) are very brave, and essential. They are putting their lives on the line to make their corner of the world better, and they deserve at least our attention, if nothing else. How does the world ever get better, if people like them don't make the effort they do?
If we become unable to even look at anything that could possibly enter into an equation that might somehow, someday result in a need for military action on our part, we will have tunnel-vision indeed. Especially in that region.