A sicko group of people: blinded by and united in their hate for the President

[kelliekat44]

The Christian RW now embraces the atheist-homophobe...
The patriotic RW now embraces the communist...
The RW hawks now embrace no bombing Assad...
The LW pacifists now embrace bombing Assad
FOX News admires and embraces Putin and wishes he were our President
CNN admires and embraces Putin and wishes he were President of the world.

It really is sickening.

[NYC_SKP]

1. Nailed it. (nt)

K/R

[Hekate]

2. Or as Luckovich said in his cartoon a few days ago: Choose your strange bedfellows carefully

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" as a credo can lead down some dangerous and unsavory paths.

My mother illustrated this for me when I was very young by pointing out that Ireland, the country of our ancestors, hated England sufficiently to remain officially strictly neutral during WW II, while elements of the IRA actually collaborated with Nazi intelligence.

That piece of motherly history has certainly given me pause many a time. I hate to see it playing out in my own country and even, on occasion, here.

Hekate

[Cha]

17. Wow! I did not know that.

[Summer Hathaway]

3. Just when you think

the RW can't sink any lower, they are always at-the-ready to disabuse you of any such notion.

And the so-called True Progresssives TM who are doing the same thing are even more nauseating.

[Control-Z]

4. I wish I could have

stated it just as perfectly as you have. Thank you. I was not able.

[Gravitycollapse]

5. Vladmir Put is neither an atheist nor a communist.

[DevonRex]

8. Don't bet on the first one. Let's say he finds orthodoxy useful

whenever he wants to oppress certain groups. LGBTs and Jews come to mind. He cut his KGB baby teeth on anti-Zionism which was part of the Party teachings of the late 60s on.

[JustAnotherGen]

39. +1

[sendero]

40. that would make lim like..

... 90% of the people who call themselves Christians in America, but whose actions couldn't be less Christ-like if they tried.

[DevonRex]

50. Yes, but almost all of them actually believe in a higher power.

Mr. Putin believes himself to be the higher power and he's just making use of the Russian Orthodox Church to control the masses. It's not what Marx meant by his 'opium of the masses' comment by a long shot. But then, Putin isn't a communist, just ex-KGB with a drive to control everyone and everything.

[Bluenorthwest]

70. Says who? Them? Unsupportable assertion. Absurd assertion.

Good grief. They claim God tells them to attack gay people as a way to attack without just saying 'I hate gay people' which lacks a certain something.

[joshcryer]

19. You should understand Assad has support from the "left" because he's a "socialist."

I think the OP is referring to Assad, albeit using a more generalized term (where socialist/communist are interchangeable) but otherwise I can't imagine they're referring to Putin.

[Doctor_J]

78. yes but the tirade sounds better that way

Keep your facts to yourself.

[cthulu2016]

6. The LW pacifists now embrace bombing Assad?

I did not know that.

[NuclearDem]

7. I must've missed that too.

[Dragonfli]

9. but, but "At some point, pacifism becomes part of the machinery of death." was such a pop meme

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023664225
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662610

They just got finished explaining how liberal left wingers without conscience were a threat to the lives of babies due too their evil pacifism, now they are using a contradictory smear... er I mean ..examination of the LW "pacifist problem", claiming the evil pacifists are now the hawks.

I am so confused by the BOG speak, I must confess I am getting lost in all the dazzling and brilliant spin, I get that the left wing pacifists are bad, bad, hatey, poutrageous people - but I can't find the road where Hawk st. and Dove st. merge into the collective highway that is their evil (and what that evil actually is).

Can anyone post a flight path map of the streets around Moscow so that I can navigate my way to clarity on this issue?
If so I'd really appreciate it.

[RC]

76. That's what happens when OP's are birth in an closed echo chamber, but posted outside.

Confusion reigns.

[adirondacker]

11. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that as weird. Perhaps the OP could elaborate? nt

[ReRe]

12. Left wing pacifists who now support bombing Assad...

... are NOT left wing pacifists. IMHO.

[BlueMTexpat]

34. Any person (LW or RW) who embraces

bombing Assad is NOT a pacifist. You are not alone in questioning that description.

My LW opposition to bombing Assad was not based on hatred of President Obama - not at all - but on hatred of anything that deliberately kills other people, including weapons other than chemical weapons. In addition to lack of clear evidence of attribution as to which side used CWs rather than the inferential evidence presented, I failed to see how bombing Syria, however "targeted" - and potentially killing additional innocent people in the process - would "show" any bad person who kills people that killing people is wrong. It would also, IMO, have cemented America's growing reputation for bullying simply because we have the military muscle to do so.

If my opposition to bombing Assad for those reasons makes some believe that I am anti-Prez Obama, I can't help their wrong conclusions. But I do question their logic.

[muriel_volestrangler]

42. I thought that was a reference to a Nobel Peace Prize winner proposing bombing him

The OP is a little confused - the description of the president is mixed up with those who hate him. And we still can't work out who the 'atheist-homophobe' is. Mayeb the OP needs editing?

[Bluenorthwest]

47. I thought the 'left winger embracing bombing' could be Obama or Kerry

but the post is very unclear. The 'atheist homophobe' is I think Putin, who used plenty of God Talk in his OpEd, just like the homophobes here do, like say Rick Warren or Donnie McClurkin or Pat Robertson. Atheist homophobes, all of them!
Maybe the OP needs a year in remedial vocabulary.

[rug]

79. Thanks for clearing that up.

I can't find my code book but at first I thought the atheist homophobe was Ayn Rand. Then I thought it was Putin. Now I think it may be S.E. Cupp.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. I too need a decoder ring

These folks are getting truly weird

[Aerows]

86. If it turns out the post really means

"Drink more Ovaltine", let us know

[Safetykitten]

66. I don't get it, can someone explain that?

[LondonReign2]

71. Anything is possible in their minds

Since they think anyone disagreeing with Obama's policies is a racist, spying on Amercans is a good thing, the warmed over Republican policies Obama supports should what a liberal he is, and starting every negotiation on the Republican side of the field shows what a clever politician the President is.

[Marr]

74. It's so weird when they just make shit up. /nt

[world wide wally]

13. This is what happens when our only core is television

[AllTooEasy]

14. Who's the Communist???

Putin is a Capitalist Oligarch. He's the Koch Brothers' wet dream.

[joshcryer]

18. Assad is the leader of the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party.

I'm guessing the poster confused communist with socialist but they're interchangeable to some degree. I don't think the poster was referring to Putin.

And I'm glad another poster sees him as an oligarch even though he did crack down somewhat on Russian oligarchs. In the same time he was cracking down many others rose in the previous oligarchs place to replace them. When this was pointed out to him he simply told the journalists to find the illegalities in the activities of Russia's New Oligarchs and he would be sure to correct it.

e.g. Putin supports his "legal New Oligarchs."

[Hekate]

20. Given the rabid anti-Communist history of the RW in the US + the fact that Putin is himself...

... a product of the former USSR, I think the reference is to Putin (formerly identified as a faithful Communist Party member) being embraced by the right wing in a case of very strange bedfellows.

Oligarch of oligarchs / KGB Lt. Colonel / PhD in International Law with an emphasis on energy sources.... I looked him up on Wikipedia and was rather surprised about his doctoral degree. The guy may be a thug, but he is a very very smart thug and knows how to change with the times.

[joshcryer]

21. If it's in reference to Putin it is ignorant.

Putin is unabashidly capitalist. He merely wanted to get rid of the "corrupt" (e.g. anti-Putinist) oligarchs. I think it would be silly to cast Putin as a communist or a socialist given Putin's background, which is why I assumed the OP was referring to Assad.

I'd definitely agree if the OP was referring to Putin it is asinine.

But Assad has some "leftist cred" which is why he's supported by the WSWS despite his crimes against humanity.

Putin does have the Russian mafia behind him, but from a capitalist perspective it is not too different from the Rockefeller running the US after WWII. To characterize him as a thug, I think, is a bit extreme. His background is a young kid bullied in his life who managed to rise to power. For all we know Putin wasn't truly behind the Russian arms sales to Syria which is why he's done a 180 in the past few days on this issue.

[Union Scribe]

15. Well that was a calm and measured argument.

[joshcryer]

16. I do think "pacifists wanting to bomb" is overstated...

...but otherwise you deserve a rec for pointing out the obvious.

DU is 95% united against any military action in Syria. The other 5% are kind of loud, give or take, but they are a small minority. Hell, if we didn't feed them, their OPs would sink like a brick and no one would care. I think some of them just post that stuff to get replies (though I do think a few of them are sincere and I wouldn't malign them for having the wrong opinion).

Note: I am not a pacifist but I am not for striking in Syria.

[cui bono]

32. And that 5% for bombing Syria are not left wing pacifists. Not at all.

No idea where the OP pulled that out of, but they have yet to explain it from what I see.

[joshcryer]

33. Agreed; they are not pacifists.

[cui bono]

61. So you think the LW now wants to bomb Syria?

Who is that? The OP hasn't answered, perhaps you can. I haven't heard of any LW that wants that.

[eridani]

22. Lefties hate American imperialism, not the president

Those of us who have been around awhile understood perfectly well in 2008 that you can't change direction just by changing presidents. It will take organizing from below, and that can't happen overnight. Regardless of Obama's personal feelings about American imperialism, his actions are constrained by very powerful institutional factors.

Some who haven't been around as long are pretty disappointed in Obama, but I'll bet most of them will eventually come around to long-term thinking.

You'll also find that there is a clear division in thinking between those DUers who think that the most important fact about any assertion is who makes the assertion, while others think that the most important fact is whether it makes sense or not.

[eridani]

26. Many would argue the specific definition, but regardless of what term you use--

--the 99% are in a world of hurt.

[cui bono]

31. Welcome to DU! Except for the BOG. Apparently you're already not allowed there.

[Kolesar]

37. If you hate this place, you don't have to participate...eom

[cui bono]

57. Where did I say that?

Do I think the BOG is ridiculous? Absolutely. Do I think as a group they are childish, bigoted, closed-minded, deluded, deniers of reality and discriminatory? You betcha!

[cui bono]

56. The funny thing is they still allow banned DUers to Rec their threads.

So I rec'd one about a wedding proposal in Home Depot and then couldn't post in it. I didn't notice it was a BOG thread.

So inadvertently they kept me from supporting LGBT. lol.

[Kolesar]

62. Ninth grade drama

You are not making good use of your day.

[cui bono]

65. Why did you post your assertion in the first place?

You didn't answer my question... just wanted to say something insulting. What grade drama was that?

See... You started it. naner naner naner.

EDIT: I thought this was in response to my other post that was directed at you.

In response to this sub-thread. I tried to respond positively to a thread about a wonderful proposal by a gay man to his boyfriend and couldn't because I was locked out. How was that not a good use of my day? (regarding my efforts. I agree it was a waste of time clicking on "reply to this thread" only to get a message saying I was not allowed to do so, but that was not me wasting my time, that was the BOG wasting my time - while discriminating against me.)

In the post you replied to I was pointing out that ridiculous situation and illuminating the bigotry and closed mindedness on this board, I'd say that is useful.

[Bobbie Jo]

84. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=307318&sub=trans

[cui bono]

87. Oopsie....

[cui bono]

23. What left wing pacifists are embracing bombing Assad?

It was the centrists/third wayers/dlcers that were embracing that when Obama wanted to do it.

As to the rest of the list, well did you expect anything else? The RW will say anything just to disagree with Obama and try to make him look bad. They don't believe what they say though, so you have to take it with a grain of salt. My friend always gets riled up by what they "believe" and I always have to remind him they don't really believe it, they just say whatever they think will help them with their agenda.

[PowerToThePeople]

24. I was about to ask the same thing. n/t

[KG]

29. don't bother. they are so lost in their spin, they're just making shit up on a daily basis.

[Shrike47]

27. I can't help but think that bombing is going to kill innocent civilians.

Makes me reluctant to do it.

[Douglas Carpenter]

28. i don't know any left-wing pacifist wanting to bomb Assad and I have been watching CNN a lot lately

and they are just beating the war drums big time and certainly are not rallying behind Assad. In fact every single statement you made is simply not true. Are you living in the real world, at all?

[Enrique]

35. strange bedfellows

[leftstreet]

41. +1

[whistler162]

36. Oh I thought you where talking about

"neo-liberal" DU'ers!

[MNBrewer]

44. A sicko group of people: blinded by and united in their sycophancy for the President

[Bluenorthwest]

45. Pacificist embrace bombing? Can you support your mutally exclusive terminology?

pac·i·fist
noun: pacifist; plural noun: pacifists

1. a person who believes that war and violence are unjustifiable

bomb
verb

gerund or present participle: bombing
1. attack (a place or vehicle) with a bomb or bombs


Can you cite even a single example of who or what you mean?
Don't you think that extreme rhetoric and unfounded characterizations are a self indulgence that is harmful to the community at large and to the nation itself?

[Rex]

46. How anyone can cheer on Pootie Poot

is beyond me...he is a DICTATOR folks, that is so NOT like being the president of a free country...that I don't know what else to say about it.

[Bluenorthwest]

49. I do not see people cheering him on, I see folks claim that people praise him

but I don't see evidence of that. Unless you mean Obama and the others who are devoted to making the Putin Winter Games a big hit. I'm boycotting. Obama says it is wrong to boycott the Putin Winter Games because of silly stuff like human rights for gays.
If you go back a few months, just before the Syria events, you will find GLBT Americans speaking out against Putin and his Winter Games and you will find most of DU favoring either attending as if nothing was wrong or favoring going and having all the gay people do 'political theater' and get arrested so others can ski.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023357654#post9

[Rex]

63. I am talking about the GOP and how their social policies are

very similar. THAT is one of the main reasons we must keep Repukes out of the Oval office and Congress. Hopefully we will also see a liberal SCOTUS in our lifetime.

[Oilwellian]

48. That made my head hurt

Pacifists support bombing?

[gopiscrap]

51. No kidding

[ismnotwasm]

52. K&R

[Linda13131313]

54. A lot of people here are included in that group.

Pathetic, really.

[gopiscrap]

81. Welcome to DU

[Fumesucker]

55. Oh man weren't you listening? Wavy Gravy said not to do the brown Koolaid

That err.. shit will umm.. fuck you up.

[treestar]

58. These people just do not know much about Putin

Or Russia.

This whole thing could have been avoided had the Russians kept Assad in line. It's their client state. They even have a base there. It's their fault the situation got as bad as it did. Not until Kerry stepped in and there had been an attack was something even done about it. It's just insane.

[cui bono]

59. HEY! When are you going to tell us who the LW pacifist are that want to bomb Syria?

Been waiting....

[SidDithers]

60. DU rec...nt

Sid

[DisgustipatedinCA]

89. Good job, Sid. You remembered to login to the right account before posting this time.

[SidDithers]

91. ...

Sid

[AgingAmerican]

64. Warped post

Pacifism is the new hatred! The Religious right is united with the Left wing! Everybody worships Putin!

War is peace! Freedom is slavery! Ignorance is strength!

I have a simpler answer: the politician worship contingent has gone completely off the rails.

[BumRushDaShow]

67. The fact that the RW has suddenly embraced the leader of the oldest Communist country

in the world is just breathtaking.

[font size="4"]Republicans Unite Behind Putin the Dictator In Order to Diss Obama[/font]

By: Sarah JonesSep. 12th, 2013

With Republicans falling over themselves to hug Putin while aiding Assad in his messaging, and Putin following Republicans lead to take digs at “American exceptionalism” when Obama says it, it’s hard to know who the “bad guys” are these days.

<snip>

Republicans et al are elevating Putin in order to tend their bitter Obama wounds; thus, because Putin had an op-ed on the NYT in which he swaggered a lot (remarkably like another “dictator”, Bush — an accusation made by constitutional lawyers), Obama is “weak”. This is the conclusion of his usual detractors, and since many Republicans are saying it, it’s also become the takeaway and the trickle down beltway auto-looping narrative of the day.

<snip>

Suddenly Putin is on board, and Putin credits himself as do the Republicans. The media isn’t far behind. All hail the mighty Putin, President of Democracy! Oh, wait. The Navalny verdict. Oh well, this is the kind of guy Republicans, the media and even the far left can get behind. He’s a decider! He saved us all. He’s the good guy, not our own President.

<snip>

Sorry, Obama isn’t going to play Kim Kardashian for the media and make splashy “news” for them with Mission Accomplished banners. This leaves them chasing after showboater Putin for the hits, which conveniently aligns them with the GOP once again and allows them to pretend that they are brave truth tellers who stand up to presidential power, when they aren’t selling you WMD for a decider.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/09/12/smart-leaders-victory-lap-mission-accomplished.html

[Rex]

68. Actually it seems the GOP has a 'thing' for dictatorships.

They are in love with unilateral control.

[AgingAmerican]

73. I'm sure they justify it (in their own minds) with Putin's anti-gay crusade

[muriel_volestrangler]

72. Since you've recced this, who are the "LW pacifists now embrace bombing Assad "?

It seems like a description of some Obama supporters to me. Who do you think it refers to?

[BumRushDaShow]

85. Sounds like Kerry to me, does it not?

[muriel_volestrangler]

88. How does Kerry fit "A sicko group of people: blinded by and united in their hate for the President"?

That's the weird thing. I agree you might describe Kerry along those terms; but why did you rec a thread that you thought said Kerry hates Obama?

[MNBrewer]

83. In what way is the Russian Federation a communist country?

[indepat]

69. One has to be taught to hate. Unfortunately much of this hate spews from the mouths

of those who profess to be followers of Christ: their hate is a blasphemy on Christianity imo.

[carolinayellowdog]

75. nothing makes all these disparate elements "a group" except your imagination

fueled by hate and disgust, apparently so strong that it causes loss of depth perception

[MuseRider]

77. Where in the hell did this come from?

This makes no sense.

Seriously, where did this come from? Is this stuff from the BOG as was suggested above? Surely not, even most of the people who frequent that group know that pacifists would NEVER embrace bombing anyone. As for the rest of it? Seriously?

[Marrah_G]

80. No LW pacifists are embracing the bombing of Syria

And are you calling LW pacifists "sickos"?

[Initech]

82. The right wing in no way shape or form gets to call themselves anti war.

[Hobo]

90. Haters are gonna hate EOM

Hobo