when obama is renominated ,will biden also be renominated?

[SwampG8r]

it might be time to look at 2016 candidates and bring them forward
i dont think biden would be elected president
not a shot at biden either as by being second on the ticket he was being elected the default president
i just dont see him being elected straight into the WH
i am also not interested in a "dump biden"
i want to know if biden is on already or is he stepping down
he is older than me and i am ready to step down myself
anybody got anyone in mind please throw out some names for vice president

[TheWraith]

1. I believe they've already said that yes, Biden is remaining on the ticket. nt

[SwampG8r]

4. do you see him as electable in 2016?

or do you think he will just retire then?

[karynnj]

23. That's a question for 2016

Though a VP is often the "inevitable" nominee, that does not have to be the case. For most of us, the ONLY case where we have lived through two terms of a Democratic President was when Gore, who was the VP ran. In that case, the liberal wing of the party, including Ted Kennedy came out pretty early saying Gore deserved the nomination. This hurt Bradley, especially when others, like Kerry, followed suit. (Gore was considered to be on the center right side of the party.)

It is very poor statistics to make inference when there are few observations - and here there is just one.

In addition, the CW was that the Clinton administration was successful and that Gore had gone beyond what he had to do in terms of loyalty to the President. It was also thought he did an excellent job as President. I don't think the powers that be will necessarily be as supportive of Biden - and I think he will likely be pushed to decline gracefully. (Consider how poorly Dem pundits push back on the meme that he is extremely gaffe prone.) If he wants the nomination, he will have to fight for it.

[joshcryer]

37. 2016 will be a woman.

[TheWraith]

52. I think that Biden will probably retire in 2016.

I don't see him wanting the job at 74 years old.

My high hopes for 2016 are US Senator Kirsten Gillibrand.

[Marnie]

24. I believe the WH has said that but it is a mistake.

This is a chance for the Dims to give some one in their mid to late 40's a chance to gain the experience needed to hit the ground running if they could win in 2016. And it certainly would be an advantage to the potentional of winning.

Biden should step aside, he could have Sec of State and be good at it.

[SwampG8r]

30. i think someone "groomed" for the job would be rejected for POTUS

america would reject on the job training for POTUS

[rurallib]

2. I asked the same question a year ago and really got beat up

Good luck. Maybe Sunday is a good day to ask.

[SwampG8r]

5. im not trying to start anything i am wondering about 2016

although VPs dont have an edge historically
they usually dont get in

[DeathToTheOil]

3. Unless Obama has lost his mind, yes!

Biden is the most underrated member of the Administration.

[SwampG8r]

6. i like him fine

i dont think he can be elected as a stand alone though
do you see him retiring then?

[DeathToTheOil]

19. Probably not

But I agree that he won't get elected in '16: By that time, America will be ready for the David Duke-Fred Phelps Republican ticket.

[RZM]

7. Almost no chance of dumping Biden

There's no great call to dump him. Doing so would make the administration look indecisive and under-confident.

[SwampG8r]

9. not trying to say that either

he is of an age i understand because i am in it
were it me for all the trouble the job causes i would retire for "personal reasons"
the pension is the same

[Ferret Annica]

11. You are right, just look at Senator Eagleton whom George McGovern backed 1000 percent...

... when some of his past caused trouble after he chose him to run as his running mate before dumping him for Sergent Shriver. That move led to an epic landslide loss to a criminal and scoundrel who resigned after winning a second term.

Keep Joe, he's earned the slot.

[coalition_unwilling]

31. We need an award like the DUzY for Euphemism of the Week - maybe

a "DU-phemism." In your case, I would nominate your phrase "when some of his (Eagleton's) past caused trouble."

"Some of Eagleton's past" included the fact that he had received electro-shock therapy for depression but did not see fit to disclose that little fact to McGovern's people before the nomination.

Eagleton was actually a pretty good guy, IIRC, but I've never completely forgiven him for that oversight.

[Ferret Annica]

41. I did frame it to cause no assignment of blame.

Blame in this is a luxury for the historians as we near the end of life for a man who would of made a compassionate and marvelous president. George Stanly McGovern is a compassionate man who never has held a grudge over life's inevitable pains and disappointments.

He has always picked up and moved on working for the betterment of us all, And much as he has worked to see the hungry fed, we must work to see our grand experiment, this country does not lose sight of the visions and dreams of Jefferson and men like him in these times when Neocons and corporate kingdoms work to create a version of an aristocracy that feels itself above the law or accountability.

The worst notions of the Federalists of the early 19th Century and those who hold them dear still long for their royalty and empire, and it is up to us to defend and reinvigorate the sharing of power of the Constitution, to remind leaders to leave when their day in the sun is fading and that all men and woman in tis country have a right to compete fairly for the reins of power to find their moment too.

No one should be above the law, nor does any family deserve to be a dynasty and all have their faults as well as graces, and these should not begrudged, as they are part opf what makes us human and thus are inescapable. Learning from them and never forgetting their lessons are more important than the workings of anger, resentment over them.

As though we must never forget the the past and lessons of history, we must always have our eyes forward to the future remembering to live in the present as fully and responsibly as we can.

[coalition_unwilling]

42. McGovern's idea for a Guaranteed Annual Income (aka "Negative Income Tax") for every citizen

would have, if enacted, gone a long way to ameliorating significantly much of the damage and suffering each Republican recession since then has caused.

Instead, we now have a society where 1 out of every 2 Americans lives in poverty or just above the poverty level, while 1% of the society control 40% of the wealth.

I try not to let myself think too long or too hard about that disparity, lest it drive me stark, raving mad.

[Ferret Annica]

43. I moved to Oregon from the East in 1972 and was at a home trying to get a ride to see McGovern

In Portland who was there Oct 13th. The folks there eventually became good friends and were owners of lots of property in my new city and extremely active in Democratic party politics locally at a very high level; though I didn't know that at the time.

There was an older guy who showed up and sat in the living room with me while i waited for word from the sone of the couple living there to find out if there was room for me with them or someone to go to Portland.

We talked for 15-20 minutes and he was in his 60s or 70s but anything but condescending, was very sharp and had a great sense of humor. I enjoyed the talk a great deal and after he left with the Mom of the guy who eventually became a dear friend who is my age I mentioned this.

I asked who he was and was told, "You don't know who that is? Why, that was the Senator."

"The Senator?" I echoed back blankly.

"You never heard of Senator Wayne Morse?" he said.

Wayne was running against Mark Hatfield that year and eventually lost. He was trying to regain the Senate after Bob Packwood had unseated him in 1968.

That was one bright spot of that horrible year for me. I always vector to pass his statue at the Lane County Courthouse in the Wayne Morse free speech center if I an walking near there. I got to talk to him a couple more times after that first meeting, and he has made a lasting impression on me.

[coalition_unwilling]

46. Sounds like you came of age about 10 years before me. That's a

wonderful memory you have.

I read somewhere that Daniel Ellsburg said we will not have put the Vietnam War finally to rest until there is a monument in D.C. to all who protested against that war alongside the official Vietnam War memorial. Surely, Morse's name would get a place of honor upon any such monument. Any time I hear a politician clap his hands and say we've kicked the Vietnam syndrome, I dust off that little observation of Ellsburg's.

[Ferret Annica]

47. many of us were suspended for going to the Moratorium Day protest on the New Haven Green

in April of 1969 at the Morgan School in Clinton, CT. Some copped out and brought in sick slips, but many felt they had nothing to ba ashamed of. They had tried to keep people from going with that threat of administrative action the week before.

I got grounded for a while after I went against my Mother's wishes and it was my first suspension. In response to those suspensions which saw people removed from the Student Council over their suspensions we had a sit down strike at the school.

When i went to See Senator McGovern it was also against my Mother's wishes, but by October 1972, my feelings on the war were deeply personal having gotten my first taste of dissent and realizing the consequences were well worth suffering for engaging in it as a high school student.

My favorite teacher in High School was a man who was fresh out of Yale who used the Vietnam Curriculum in our Western Civilization class to teach us about the war. That was a teaching product that had quite a bit of controversy, and production of it was hurt when those workers doing the printing destroyed plates used in the printing of it in I believe upstate New York.

I owe that teacher a lot. As my Mom was very Republican, and I had been for Richard Nixon for POTUS in 1968. Anyone who says an extraordinary teacher cannot make much a difference knows nothing.

Alas, he lasted one year and was replaced by a combo football coach/social studies teacher who would assign chapters to read and have people answer the odd or even questions at the back of some very dull dumbed down for big market states textbooks.

There should be a memorial for antiwar protesters, especially from that era, because I well know I just got a taste and suffered for my actions a very little bit.

Some paid a huge price for antiwar protesting, and not just at Kent State. Pardon the long post, I get very emotional about this time in my life and I have deep feelings about it.

[coalition_unwilling]

49. No apologies necessary whatsoever. FWIW, I have always felt that I was born 10 years too late

and, at least until the Occupy Movement sprang up, felt I would never participate in anything of equal social significance to the 60s. Your generation were my heroes until a new crop sprang up with the Occupy Movement. Now you are still heroes but with emeritus status

There's a book I think you might really enjoy: They Marched Into Sunlight by David Maraniss. It looks at a single October 1967 day at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, WI and in Vietnam. Really poignant and powerful story-telling. I understand the book is being made into a movie set for release in 2013. Should also be an interesting movie.

[Ferret Annica]

50. thanks for the tip, I'll look for that book

We have an Occupy Eugene demonstration going here, and the city council has given us an extension of the December 15 deadline until the 11th of January.

Here is a link to the forums:

http://occupyeugenemedia.org/discussion/index.php

An ironic thing about the site being at the mouth of the I-105 viaduct park between Washington and Jefferson streets is this higway built at the end of the 1960s was controversial when I got to Eugene because it is said to originally been slated to route closer to Valley River Shopping Center that was also new then.

The houses lost to eminent domain were the heaviest concentration of Anri-Vietnam War activist households, and though denied by the city this was deliberate to help dislodge protest leaders and members of the the Eugene Coalition Liberation Movement organization.... well, you know the deal.

They have tall cyclone fence segments around Occupy Eugene and run generators for the heavy, bright light arrays they have shining on the camp much as the Forest Service did to us in the trees during forst closures trying to close down our tree villages.

The Eugne police are extraordinarily well equiped and experienced with dealing with dissent, as Eugene is a counter culture enclave which has an incrdible history of doing protest on many things.

Some years back in fact, the Wall Street Journal did a series of stories on our large anarchist community. Which is only this year resurfacing after years of being low key because that time created a lot of heat and made things dangerous to be too conspicuous.

Tim Lewis has videos of the 1990s protests on his 'Picture Eugene' Channel. The biggest story of 1997 was the Eugene Tree Riot where we had a large group of people take to forty large trees slated for destruction one sunday moring.

They tortured people out of the trees and many were peppersprayed and arrested that day. One of the videos Tim has up is footage of that protest which was considered the biggest story of the year here.

Eugene tree Riot:

[Bogart]

8. Biden was a lousy choice in the first place; however, it would be a breach of political protocol

to dump him now.

[SwampG8r]

12. i dont want to say dump him

i just am near him in age and if my pension was maxed i would take it

[elleng]

10. Biden is definitely ON already; foolish to suggest anyone else.

'16 candidates bringing themselves forward: Gillibrand, Warren, Beau Biden, Schneiderman (some really good Dem A.G.s around, moving on up.)

[SwampG8r]

13. i am just putting myself in his place

i would step back and work that pension til they nailed my box shut

[elleng]

21. Don't know what you're doing, Swamp,

but I think Joe's actually happy doing what he's doing, using the skills he's honed through all his years of service; will continue thru another 4 years, THEN become a Dem elder statesman, AND advise his son Beau, now Delaware A.G., who imo is well suited and placed to move UP in Dem politics. (I DO mean to suggest Beau Biden as POTUS some day.)

[SwampG8r]

25. i am just asking i have

no hidden agenda
i am not jabbing biden i am fond of the guy he is the kind of person who would liven up a party(nonpolitical party that is)
i am just trying to get a general idea of what is going to shape up
i myself think placing someone in the job with the stated intention of grooming for election is bad form and would not be taken well
so few things are these days
i did not know whether this had been publicly discussed and came to DU for the straight(ish) story
he will be 70 this year and he has worked an awful long time so i wondered
he seems to be a vibrant healthy person
i was kind of shocked to see him at 70 i figured early 60s maybe

now what did you think i was doing?

[elleng]

34. Didn't know; 'putting yourself in his place'

if you're tired of working or something. Seems to me he isn't.

I agree, bad form to place someone in the spot for 'grooming.'

[Lionessa]

14. I could be wrong, but I believe VPs are chosen not nominated. So it's up to Obama

and I doubt he's going to do anything better than he did before, so we can count on being discouraged with most of his choices remaining the same.

[SwampG8r]

15. i am not sure how its done now frankly

they used to vote and nominate VP at the convention but it was a formality more than anything else

[Lionessa]

20. OIC, that might be more correct than my understanding. Perhaps he picks and they rubber stamp.

Probably you're right.

[lunatica]

16. I think Biden is doing a good job

He hasn't been sidelined or ignored as VP. He's passionate and engaged and has never forgotten his origins. He still lives in his hometown and goes home to Scranton and his family every night. His family values are as solid and positive as they come.

I see no reason to replace him, no matter how alleged 'gaffs' he makes.

[SwampG8r]

26. i did not know that about scranton

is that for real? no blair house?? i like him even more now
gaffs schmaffs hes the kind of person you could just tell punchlines to and he would laugh because he knew the jokes


me : no the farmer said we just grow corn !

Joe Biden; bwahahahahahahahaha you know this one.......but i had it in my wallet when i left the house

me; (blows iced tea through nose) i cannot believe you went THERE joe

[DCKit]

51. The VPs residence is the Navel Observatory in NW DC.

You may be able to find it on Google Maps.

Now that The Vampire Cheney is gone, I think it can be seen in photographs again.

To the best of my knowledge, Blair House is used for visiting dignitaries and the odd party.

[SwampG8r]

55. im showing my age or my ignorance

not sure which
went to dc as a kid and i thought they said blair house was the vp residence

[DCKit]

36. The Bidens live in Delaware.

Scranton is in northeastern PA. It'd be one hell of a commute.

However, you are correct that, as a Senator, he took the train home to his family as often as humanly possible.

As VP, the security for that would be a nightmare for everyone involved.

[lunatica]

48. Thanks

I stand corrected.

[AtomicKitten]

17. Biden is on as VP.

He was asked by the president and accepted.

Biden: "I tell you what, there's real trust, that's why he's asked me to run again," Biden dropped to the New York Times at the end of 40-minute interview on Tuesday. "Look, he said, 'We're going to run together, are you going to run?' I said, 'Of course, you want me to run with you, I'm happy to run with you.' "

[SwampG8r]

27. great news thanks

[Vanje]

18. I cant imagine why not

Is Biden controversial?
I dont think so.
He hardly makes news at all....which is, I believe, the better part of the job description for vice pres.

[SwampG8r]

28. he will be 70 in january

i wondered if he was ready to get a steady job
meet a nice girl and maybe.....i dont know....settle down
no really i just had not heard if the official word was out on the subject and was wondering
DU can in fact be used for good

[MineralMan]

22. I don't believe there will be a change in the ticket.

[SwampG8r]

29. good i hate having to learn new names

i just was not aware if the official word had gone out on it or not
thanks for the info

[Yo_Mama]

32. Pelosi for VP

I don't think Biden is bowing out, though.

[CakeGrrl]

33. Obama asked him MONTHS ago, and he accepted. End of story.

It's not news, even though some on DU try to keep making it an issue.

[SwampG8r]

35. well thanks for the info

[exboyfil]

38. Only if Biden agrees

I could see an advantage of giving him an important ambassadorship and moving Senator Franken onto the ticket. You immediately set up a credible heir apparent with liberal credentials.

Other names. It is not unheard of to change VPs. Many Presidents have done it in the past. Jefferson (granted it was because Burr killed his political rival and challenged him for the Presidency in 1800), Lincoln (Johnson for Hamlin), and F. Roosevelt (Truman for Wallace). Other switches were Jackson, Van Buren, Grant, and Ford.

[madokie]

40. I'd damn sure vote for Senator Al Franken in '16

I wasn't so sure of his candidacy when he first ran but it didn't take long for it to occur to me that he walks amongst us, the 99 percenters.

[madokie]

39. I'd vote for Biden for Pres in a heartbeat

I don't care that he is old, hell I'm old and I've still got my wits about me

[Romulox]

44. He seems to be the right of even Obama (Bankruptcy bill, Drug War, etc.) Tough for the base to

embrace.

[SwampG8r]

56. im old too

now that i AM old i see the wisdom of listening to ones elders
not much has changed except names and hairdos since we were in caves

[Capn Sunshine]

45. procedurally, it is the nominee who chooses his VP running mate

President Obama will make an appropriate statement at an appropriate time.

I think Hillary should seriously consider a 2016 run.

[Tx4obama]

54. No way. Hillary has said SEVERAL TIMES that she doesn't want to run for public office ever again.

She wants to retire, spend time on global projects regarding women, and spend time with grandkids once they come along.

[Tx4obama]

53. President Obama has already asked Biden to run with him and Joe said: YES. n/t