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[niyad]

1. this just gets more depressing by the day

[damnedifIknow]

3. Figures

"Much of the blame can be attributed to “law and order” conservatives. Years ago when New York liberals began to observe the growing high-handed behavior of police, they called for civilian police review boards. Conservatives, such as National Review’s William F. Buckley, went berserk, claiming that any oversight over the police would hamstring the police and cause crime to explode."

[Skip Intro]

2. I've never had a cop put a gun to my neck while he emptied my pockets.

Never had a cop threaten me with broken glass if I didn't hand over my shopping bag as I left a store.

Cops have come to my defense, however, after me just calling them and asking they come help me. They did that, of course, like they do everyday, not knowing what they were going to walk into, their lives on the line.

No organization is without bad apples, but I appreciate cops, I'm glad they're out there, doing the thankless job they do.

[damnedifIknow]

5. Someting has to be done about police brutality

It's way out of hand and can only get worse without some type of check.

[Skip Intro]

9. Bad cops should be shown the door, prosecuted if warranted. But,

to paint all cops, and even the idea of cops, as some societal ill that needs to be cured is ridiculous.

The vast majority of cops are good people who risk their lives to protect law-abiding citizens. They'll be the first people you call when you find yourself in danger or having been violated in some way.

Saying cops are evil is like saying Dems are immoral because of John Edwards and Weiner.

[Comrade Grumpy]

16. We have a serious problem with the culture of policing in this country.

All you have to do is see what comes out every fucking day. Individual cops may or may not be evil, but the departments the work for seem increasingly to treat citizens like suspects or a civilian enemy population.

Radley Balko's "The Rise of the Warrior Cop" is worth checking out.

I call for a national commission on law enforcement standards and practices.

[Logical]

24. Not that risky of a job, TV has fooled you! nt

[tazkcmo]

41. ALL cops are bad

as long as they remain silent and enable the "few bad apples" to shoot, beat and extort innocent (or even guilty) citizens of this country. They are not judge, jury and executioner. If you or I witness abuse of children we are duty bound BY LAW to report it. This should be extended to LEO but expanded to include the abuse of ANY citizen, even those that are clearly guilty of a crime.

[X_Digger]

29. In NYC, you may get a gun to the neck while a cop pats you down and empties your pockets..

.. just sayin.

[Supersedeas]

30. +1

[Gravitycollapse]

4. Listen, I'm about as anti-police as they come but cops, as a body, are not as dangerous...

As criminals, as a body.

There is also a very clear potential positive function of police. The question is not whether that function exists but whether the relevant police body serves that function.

[A HERETIC I AM]

6. THAT......

is debatable.

[Niceguy1]

10. cops didnt

Rob me of my transportation and my electronics. Cops did jump my daughter fir no reason.....

Just sayin.

[bobclark86]

7. So... cops kill about 600 a year

including justifiable homicides (about 400 of those).

Criminals kill about 20,000.

Yup, cops are more dangerous.

[The Straight Story]

12. Actually, they are:

50 million gun owners works out to about 0.02% who kill others
800,000 cops works out to 0.07%

Percent wise cops are more dangerous than gun owners so maybe we should ban them

[Orrex]

34. The statistics you cite aren't relevant to bobclark86's post

He asserted:

cops kill about 600 a year

including justifiable homicides (about 400 of those).

Criminals kill about 20,000.

to which you replied:

50 million gun owners works out to about 0.02% who kill others
800,000 cops works out to 0.07%

Assuming your statistic is true as given, it still has nothing to do with bobclark86's post, unless your contention is that all 50 million gun owners are criminals.

[Logical]

25. 20,000? Link to stats please! nt

[jsr]

8. "police forces attract people who enjoy hurting people and tyrannizing them"

No kidding.

[DonCoquixote]

11. Now I get it

Among the collection of probable causes are the growth or urban populations, the onslaught of heavy immigration on formerly stable and predictable neighborhoods

I get it, blame the immigrants...

[struggle4progress]

13. Rightwing libertarian nutjob Paul Craig Roberts at hysterical pseudo-leftist Counterpunch. Nuff said

[damnedifIknow]

18. Part of the problem or part of the solution?

Attacking the source instead of addressing the problem is bogus. Are you saying we don't have a police abuse problem in this country?

[struggle4progress]

19. Go learn about Roberts background: he's a rightwing libertarian. Then ask yourself

why a site that pretends to have Marxist tendencies is publishing a rightwing libertarian

And then ask yourself what facts you actually learn from Roberts' "article"

The answer must be, I think, that you learn essential nothing factual from Roberts

But he sure can make loud screeching noises -- and loud screeches, it turns out, are pretty much Counterpunch's special skill

Reading crap like that only fucks your head up

[damnedifIknow]

20. Looks like in your face truth to me

He doesn't hold much back and I find that refreshing. He even puts most of the blame for this situation on conservatives.

[maddezmom]

21. PCR is a tool and the co-author of Reaganomics

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=437x1149

He probably wants to get rid of the police and replace them with a well armed militia.

[struggle4progress]

23. so it accords with your preconceptions, and you like it mainly for that reason, despite

the fact that no one can actually learn much from it

[bhikkhu]

14. I reads the article thinking there might have been some supporting data there

silly me.

[davidn3600]

15. Read the book "Rise of the Warrior Cop"

It's a good read about how America's police are being transformed into a paramilitary force.

We are becoming a police state. We already have more people incarcerated than any other nation on the planet.

[markpkessinger]

17. After the NYPD this past Saturday managed to shoot two bystanders in Times Square...

... as they were trying to stop an unarmed man, you'll get no argument from me!

[Mr Dixon]

22. IMO

There are good and bad cops, the problem is the police as a whole covers up for the bad cops, making up stories losing evidence, shoddy police work, and prosecution of innocent victims my assessment include the Prosecution and the judges on the bench the Justice system is far from its intended purpose IMO.

[madrchsod]

26. a lot of police are trained by para-military companies.

the cops around here have had training by what ever blackwater is calling itself now.

[tularetom]

27. The 99% of good cops don't do anything to get rid of the 1% bad cops

So they all get the blame.

Just like lawyers, doctors or many other professions.

If the police want to emphasize the point that the rotten apples don't represent the majority they should weed them out.

[sorefeet]

28. It's just that simple

If you are a good cop and don't say anything when you see wrong and corruption from a bad cop, then you are just as guilty as the bad cop. You can't sugar coat it in any way. That is why I paint all cops with a broad brush. They all wear the identical clothes of the bad cop, so how can I tell which is which. I see all the stuff the bad cops are capable and it is safer for me to assume that all cops are bad and do not trust any of them than to take a chance and hope for an honest one. Today, I trust no one with authority. Especially a cop and my doctor, whom I also refer to as my probation officer, because his biggest concern is a drug test for me. He never ask me how I'm doing.

[SidDithers]

31. PCR is a white nationalist asshat...

Who has fundraised for racist, anti-immigrant website VDARE, a site classified as a Hate site by the Southern Poverty Legal Center.

PCR wrote this in a glowing review of a book by Pat fucking Buchanan:

But the most fearsome fact is that the demonization of white people in the universities today is more extreme than the demonization of the Jews that was a prominent feature of German university life for 60 years prior to the rise of National Socialism.

Demonization of whites is the weapon used by multiculturalists to breakup western civilization. But teaching hatred has other consequences. Demonization has already demoralized some whites, making them ashamed and fearful of their skin color.

By the time whites become political minorities, decades of demonization will have prepared the ground for legislation prohibiting their propagation and, perhaps, assigning them to the gulag as a final solution to “the cancer of human history.”

counterpunch should be fucking ashamed to give credibility to that piece of shit.

And so should anyone posting his shit at DU.

Sid

[damnedifIknow]

36. Strike a nerve Sid?

Yeah, I don't know about you.

[SidDithers]

37. You're the one giving legitimacy to a racist shitbag...

and I've been calling out the use of PCR here far longer than you've been a DUer.

Just so we're clear. You think posting the writings of a racist, white-power advocate, anti-immigration asshat is OK for DU?

Sid

[damnedifIknow]

38. The article Sid

You're getting sleepy, so sleepy. Now repeat after me: I will only read the article.

[SidDithers]

40. The author is a racist shitbag...

who, you can bet, is happy to have the police around to protect him from all the "immigrants" that are polluting his vision of a pure, White America.

So, who can we expect from you next? David Duke? Ernst Zundel? Gordon Duff?

Sid

[maddezmom]

43. the OP has already posted Duff as I am sure you remember

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2865427

[SidDithers]

45. Shocked. Shocked I am...

thanks for the reminder.

Sid

[SidDithers]

32. PCR singing the praises of hate site VDARE...

There are many ways to lose a country. One is to be overrun by excessive immigration. Too many immigrants who do not assimilate change the culture and the language. VDARE.COM is the premier site that addresses this issue.

SPLC on VDARE:

Ideology: White Nationalist
Originally established in 1999 by the Center for American Unity, a Virginia-based nonprofit foundation started by English immigrant Peter Brimelow, VDARE.com is an anti-immigration hate website "dedicated to preserving our historical unity as Americans into the 21st Century." Now run by the VDARE Foundation, the site is a place where relatively intellectually inclined leaders of the anti-immigrant movement share their opinions. VDARE.com also regularly publishes articles by prominent white nationalists, race scientists and anti-Semites.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/VDARE



Sid

[DonCoquixote]

35. Stupid quote

"The American police perform no positive function. They pose a much larger threat to citizens than do the criminals who operate without a police badge. Americans would be safer if the police forces were abolished."

OK, hope this guy is prepared to have criminals come to his place.

[tritsofme]

39. Wow, what an incredibly stupid article.

This guy is a moron.

[damnedifIknow]

42. Whatever your personal feelings are about the author

is your choice but to not agree with much of his writing says you must be living under a rock. Look around..Wake up.

[sarisataka]

44. really...

so according to GD this morning we need to disband police, severely restrict or ban personal firearms ownership, declare sugar a drug (though there will be no police to enforce that law) and ban violent video games

On the positive side, many of us will have fairly affordable health insurance, freedom from government thugs and a murder rate near zero.

have I missed anything?

[SidDithers]

46. Jeez, what is it with you and racist shitbag sources?...

I was reminded upthread that you're also a big fan of Gordon Duff.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10022865427


I'm beginning to sense a pattern here.

Sid

[maddezmom]

47. Here are a few more

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2905964

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023585005

[SidDithers]

49. I'd forgotten about those...

eutimes, Gordon Duff and now Paul Craig Roberts.

Remember when continuing to use White Power Nazis and holocaust deniers as sources got you banned from DU?

My, how DU has changed.

I think I'll bookmark this thread for easy reference.

Sid

[damnedifIknow]

50. Oh I see

so now I'm a racist. Can I come live on your planet?

[SidDithers]

51. If you're not, you certainly like to read material from racists, and bring your reading to DU...

EUTimes, Gordon Duff and Paul Craig Roberts

That's quite a track record. What else you got?

Sid

[kentuck]

48. Truth

!!