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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 04:13 PM Sep 2013

Signs of Mental Illness Seen in Navy Gunman for Decade[interaction with RI police and arrest in GA]

WASHINGTON — The former Navy reservist who killed 12 people in a shooting rampage at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday had exhibited signs of mental illness dating back more than a decade, including a recent episode in which he complained about hearing voices and of people sending “vibrations to his body” to prevent him from sleeping, law enforcement officials said.

Only a month ago, the gunman, Aaron Alexis, 34, was suffering from hallucinations so severe that he called the Newport Police Department in Rhode Island where he told officers he was on business.

When officers came to his hotel room on Aug. 7 at 6 a.m., Mr. Alexis told them that he had gotten into an argument with someone at an airport in Virginia. He said the person he had argued with “had sent three people to follow him and to keep him awake by talking to him and sending vibrations to his body” via a microwave machine, according to a police report.

More:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/washington-navy-yard-shootings.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


Another arrest in Atlanta in 2008.....
Washington (CNN) -- In the early morning hours of August 10, 2008, Aaron Alexis -- now known as the Washington Navy Yard shooter -- was arrested for disorderly conduct in metro Atlanta. The then-Navy reservist was kicked out of a club for damaging the furnishings and left the place releasing an unrelenting string of profanities even as police officers told him to stop.
He kept cussing and he was taken in, according to a police report.
An angry overreaction, maybe, but one that his military superiors noticed.
Was this just one side of an isolated incident? Or was it a warning sign of someone suffering from trauma dating back to the 9/11 attacks? It was this confrontation along with another arrest in Texas that prompted the Navy to begin proceedings to separate him from the military.
By the time the Navy began to seek a "general discharge" for Alexis, he had eight instances of misconduct on his record, including insubordination, disorderly conduct, unauthorized absences from work, and at least one instance of drunkenness. But in the end, he left the service with an honorable discharge because he had never been convicted and there was a lack of evidence to merit a general discharge, a U.S. defense official said.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/17/us/navy-yard-suspect/?hpt=ju_t2


Gunman at Navy Yard told police in RI last month he heard voices in hotel; Navy was alerted

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/gunman-at-navy-yard-told-police-in-rhode-island-last-month-he-heard-voices-in-hotel-room/2013/09/17/f7248084-1fd0-11e3-9ad0-96244100e647_story.html

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Signs of Mental Illness Seen in Navy Gunman for Decade[interaction with RI police and arrest in GA] (Original Post) maddezmom Sep 2013 OP
If you have mental issues you shouldn't be allowed to buy a fucking shotgun snooper2 Sep 2013 #1
I don't think ex wife could do that without a paper trail Warpy Sep 2013 #4
Someone has to put the information in the background check system hack89 Sep 2013 #7
Somebody this severely ill should HappyMe Sep 2013 #2
Just updated with new info about another arrest in Atlanta in 2008. maddezmom Sep 2013 #3
Shouldn't the question be why he didn't get adequate help? dkf Sep 2013 #5
That's a good question also. HappyMe Sep 2013 #6
He bought a shotgun. The rest he grabbed inside. dkf Sep 2013 #9
He still should not have been able to HappyMe Sep 2013 #14
He Is A Lot Less Dangerous If He Cannot Buy A Gun, Ma'am, Whether He Is Fine Or Not.... The Magistrate Sep 2013 #8
Because he might only attack a few people with god knows what weapon? dkf Sep 2013 #10
Ever Wonder, Ma'am, Why Soldiers Carry Guns, Not Knives Or Golf Clubs Or What Have You? The Magistrate Sep 2013 #12
But even knives and box cutters will do the job. dkf Sep 2013 #13
So Will A Pillow, Ma'am, Hell, Even Boredom With This Tired Wheeze Might Manage It The Magistrate Sep 2013 #15
yep- because fewer people dead is a good thing. You don't agree? bettyellen Sep 2013 #22
The honorable discharge was probably done to get him out and away from the Navy. FarCenter Sep 2013 #11
Probably but you would think there would be red flags when he showed up contracting with maddezmom Sep 2013 #16
He was an employee of a subcontractor of a contractor. FarCenter Sep 2013 #17
Yeah, I understand. maddezmom Sep 2013 #19
Rear Admiral John Kirby on CNN trying to talk his way out of this mess maddezmom Sep 2013 #18
Any word yet on why he had the ID of a guy who was on administrative leave? FarCenter Sep 2013 #21
Haven't heard one way or the other but he did have a valid I'd that he used. maddezmom Sep 2013 #23
Horrific, and how many red flags are going to be ignored before we see another mass shooting? n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2013 #20
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
1. If you have mental issues you shouldn't be allowed to buy a fucking shotgun
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 04:16 PM
Sep 2013

How hard is that to comprehend?

But they will put us on a list! stereotype people! Ex wife gets me on list and me gun get taken away ma!

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
4. I don't think ex wife could do that without a paper trail
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 04:35 PM
Sep 2013

indicating domestic violence, stalking, and threats. Then again, a lot of men think doing that shit is a gawd given right so it might be a widespread problem.

There was a great paper trail on this guy not covered by HIPAA. A background check should have disqualified him, if the seller even bothered. The AFT has been gutted beyond any pretense of regulating gun shops and we all know the gun show loophole is big enough to drive a moving van through.

We have few ways of tracking this stuff. We the people have been rendered powerless by the NRA.

hack89

(39,181 posts)
7. Someone has to put the information in the background check system
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 05:01 PM
Sep 2013

that was one of the changes following the Va Tech shooting.

I think because he moved around so much he fell between the cracks.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
5. Shouldn't the question be why he didn't get adequate help?
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 04:55 PM
Sep 2013

Do we really think a person with these problems is fine if he can't legally buy a gun?

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
6. That's a good question also.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 04:58 PM
Sep 2013

He obviously wasn't getting proper care. That still doesn't change the fact that because of the severity of his illness, he shouldn't have been able to buy a gun.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
9. He bought a shotgun. The rest he grabbed inside.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 05:03 PM
Sep 2013

He could have brought a knife and grabbed the guns too.

Don't underestimate a paranoid person who is in fear of their life. He probably saw this as some sort of life and death struggle.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
14. He still should not have been able to
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 05:31 PM
Sep 2013

buy that shotgun given how ill he was.

It is a damn shame that the guy wasn't getting proper treatment. Or if he was getting treatment, maybe he wasn't taking his medication.

He specifically bought a gun because he wanted to kill people. Not a knife, a gun.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
8. He Is A Lot Less Dangerous If He Cannot Buy A Gun, Ma'am, Whether He Is Fine Or Not....
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 05:01 PM
Sep 2013

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
12. Ever Wonder, Ma'am, Why Soldiers Carry Guns, Not Knives Or Golf Clubs Or What Have You?
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 05:19 PM
Sep 2013

It is because it is easier for a person to kill people with a gun than with just about any other implement humans have yet contrived for the purpose....

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
15. So Will A Pillow, Ma'am, Hell, Even Boredom With This Tired Wheeze Might Manage It
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 05:32 PM
Sep 2013

Because it is not an argument, it is a tired old noise.

A man with a gun presents a much greater potential danger and likelihood of giving lethal effect to anger or mental disturbance than does a man without a gun.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
11. The honorable discharge was probably done to get him out and away from the Navy.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 05:16 PM
Sep 2013

If you are in his command, do you risk a potentially dangerous confrontation over a less than honorable discharge or give him an honorable discharge to get rid of him?

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
16. Probably but you would think there would be red flags when he showed up contracting with
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:09 PM
Sep 2013

The Navy.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
17. He was an employee of a subcontractor of a contractor.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:12 PM
Sep 2013

And the Navy is a big organization. So the background check would probably only find the honorable discharge and not the whole record of service.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
19. Yeah, I understand.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:14 PM
Sep 2013

Just think the navy blew it with with the dishonorable discharge. Not to mention the information from the RI police dept.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
18. Rear Admiral John Kirby on CNN trying to talk his way out of this mess
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:12 PM
Sep 2013

They are investigating why and how now.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
21. Any word yet on why he had the ID of a guy who was on administrative leave?
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:22 PM
Sep 2013

Or is that another incorrect media factoid?

A badge of someone on administrative leave should be deactivated and essentially useless. Unless someone was careless...

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
20. Horrific, and how many red flags are going to be ignored before we see another mass shooting? n/t
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 06:15 PM
Sep 2013
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