8 Police Officers Dead this month. So far.

[TheDeputy]

So far 8 Officers and 1 K-9 have died this month.

Michael Stockwell
Rodney Jones
Jamie Buenting
David Allford
Paul Butterfield
Michael Freeman
Van Perry
Derek Johnson

Also Police K9 Max.

All told, 74 Law Enforcement Officers have suffered Line of Duty deaths this year.

See for yourself at www.odmp.org

[catnhatnh]

1. In 2011

OSHA reported 4609 workplace fatalities....

[el_bryanto]

2. Your point being? nt

[catnhatnh]

3. Same as the OP's

I like statistics.

[Uncle Joe]

38. Do you know what the primary causes of those deaths were,

ie: robbery, the "War on Drugs," domestic violence, traffic accidents, etc. etc.?

[Trajan]

4. Good morning, Deputy ....

I respect the police for protecting the safety and well being of communities everywhere in this land, and I thank you for your service ...

I also regret the loss of life of those officers who die in the performance of their duties ... they get paid money for their work, but that won't restore a lost life ...

That being said ... not everyone in this community has had good experiences with police officers ....

You are now in a Liberal forum, Democratic Underground ... What do you hope to gain with your presence here? .... I see you spend most of your time in 'The Gungeon', and so you are also a gun enthusiast ....

It's there some good reason you decided to join DU? ... Are you Liberal? ... Do you actually vote for Democrats? ... We have many pretenders in DU ... many have an agenda outside of mere discussion ...

This thread, as important as the subject matter is .... I can't help but think you had an ulterior motive for posting this here ... as if you want to collect the negative responses you are almost guaranteed to receive ...

I join with you in honoring the fallen heroes, but, your expectations for this thread may be exactly what you desired .... come clean ....

[TorchTheWitch]

7. What a SHITTY thing to say

UGH!

>>>CLICK<<<

[TheDeputy]

108. I have learned that

Shittyness is not limited to the Republicans who run my county.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. DU is full of criminals?

[Trajan]

16. The Gungeon is that way ..

To the right of GD ....

[pintobean]

33. Who made you the gatekeeper?

[Trajan]

48. I am not allowed to have my own opinion?

it is my judgement whether a poster is an interloper or not .... that judgement is my own ...

I have concluded that many of the RKBA aficionados are in fact interlopers taking advantage of DU's open 'gate' ... I believe that because I have been here a long time and recognize patterns that are regular and unmistakable ...

You can believe what you want, but so can I ... I'm sure that my post was alerted, and it is still here ....

I would also ask, wtf is so bad about that posting? ... it was not insulting on its face ... zero profanity ...

It is not inherently insulting to ask someone why they are here ... there was nothing 'awful' about my post ... it was respectful and inquiring ... The feigned apoplexy in the replies seem rather overblown to me ...

[pintobean]

50. Yes, as am I.

You obviously didn't get the memo. If you want to try to get rid of a gun enthusiast, the proper way is to stalk, bait, and alert. It's much more effective and you don't risk a hidden post by looking like an asshole. Public call-outs are so DU2.

[CreekDog]

49. who made you one?

[HappyMe]

14. Holy smokes!

[gopiscrap]

17. I fully agree

[LanternWaste]

24. This being an apt illustration of the "Purity Patrol"

This being an apt illustration of the "Purity Patrol" served on a steaming pile of... rationalizations.

[Mojorabbit]

47. That was an awful post. nt

[IdaBriggs]

60. FYI, I alerted on your post because I find it incredibly offensive.

I believe calling out another DUer and playing "purity police" is the height of unmitigated gall and your post should be hidden if not self-removed.

Apparently the jury disagreed with me. It happens.

So, let me address your comments.

a) The poster has a UNION icon. That is a LIBERAL concept, and means the poster belongs here.

b) "not everyone in this community has had good experiences with police officers" - I am personally offended by this. MANY people on DU have had good experiences with police officers. The same statement with "drug users", "military personnel" or "doctors" would be equally offensive, and in my opinion DOES NOT BELONG ON DU.

c) "You are now in a Liberal forum" - REALLY? Now you don't think the poster can read? And the follow up about the gungeon is again insulting - my stance on gun control is pretty well known, but SHOCK TO THE WORLD, other liberal/progressive Democrats have different opinions, and in a perfect world, we actually TALK ABOUT IT WITH EACH OTHER, and address the issues (like the epidemic of mass shootings).

d) "Is there some good reason" - when did Skinner appoint you gatekeeper to our systems? Did I miss the public announcement? The terms for joining this board are pretty clearly spelled out by the MODERATORS, and the post does NOT violate them. Your insulting comments are beyond inappropriate, and as I said, I personally find them offensive.

e) You are publicly accusing this poster of being a Troll. If you were actually concerned, you would have either sent a PM to the poster, or to the moderators addressing the issue. You could have tried to find a post that violated the terms of service, alerted on it, and had MIRT checking things out. You didn't. You *publicly* made this post, and frankly, it makes DU look bad.

You don't want unionized public servants here? Seriously? Backbones of the Democratic party, and you don't want them on DU?



I am embarrassed a jury let this stand.



To TheDeputy - Welcome to DU.

[TheDeputy]

62. Thank you for the welcome.

Much appreciated.

[IdaBriggs]

69. I was so busy having my little rant, I didn't comment on the original post.

I anticipate we will lock horns over guns - I'm not a gun person, while you apparently are - but like I said, if we all agree on what the problems actually are, we can work together to solve them.

Don't want to derail your thread with that, though.

Enjoy!

[TheDeputy]

70. I'm not really a gun guy.

Obviously I train with the weapons I use for work. I enjoy it.

We have a large bit of property, I find that the Ruger 10/22 rifle and Ruger Mark 3 pistol to be efficient in assisting me with my duties as a landowner.

A Remington 1187 shotgun also helps.

An AR15 rounds out the collection because it is identical to my work rifle, is accurate, and ridiculously fun.

As far as gun control goes, I am a pragmatist. I usually don't support more laws because they usually won't have the desires effect, or will place an undue burden on regular folks that isn't outweighed by the potential good. Also, I know how criminals operate, and take that into account.

[MrScorpio]

101. Sorry, Dude. You're on your own with that one... nt

[Trajan]

102. LOL ... Thanks ...

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You know? ... I've been watching this happen for years ... The Gungeon is, for the most part, a hiding place for righties ... It's always been that way, as far as I can see ...

Yeah ... I calls'm like I sees'm ... Are there objections? ... sure ... but, frankly, that doesn't bother me ... We all know righties sneak in on a regular basis, so I am not shy about asking what a Gungeonite's intentions might be: it's their favorite hangout ...

Anyways . taking some heat on this, but I am unmoved ... Have a great day ....

[TheDeputy]

114. You have been watching what happen for years?

Inquiring minds want to know. The same minds wish to know where you got the bizarre notion that I am a righty due to being a gungeonite.

I would expect a person who chose the name of a Roman emperor to be wise and to follow the evidence. Currently, my profile states that my favorite group is "Kentucky", with 2 posts. That would preclude me being a gungeonite, which causes your entire house of cards to fall.

Frankly, your "welcome" to DU is among the most rude I have seen on this website. However, my profession keeps me used to rude people.

[TheDeputy]

105. May I ask why you claim I spend...

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Most of my time in the "gungeon". Any person could look at my posts and see that what you asserted is clearly false. I believe that you would find 1 or 2 posts there by me.

Of course, where I spend my time is irrelevant. I hope you learn to be a bit more open in the future. Have a nice day.

[pitbullgirl1965]

110. This is mean and unfair.

What the heck? As I've said down thread, there ARE liberal LEO, and we should support them.
Also so what if he's a gun owner? Not all of them are knuckle dragging yahoos

[derby378]

113. Free Republic is that-a-way...

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but nobody is entitled to their own facts.

Until you learn this lesson, exit - stage right.

[SamKnause]

5. Death

How many innocent unarmed civilians have been murdered in the same time period ?????

[bhikkhu]

6. There is a list for that too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States_2013

Fortunately, it is also small.

I know several people in the police department in my town. Its a bitterly difficult job, and the majority of people that do it begin with the intentions of protecting people and serving their communities.

[Mr Dixon]

8. AGREED

A s a black man can i ask for help without getting shot 10 fucking times?

[PassingFair]

9. Rodney Jones didn't exactly die "in the line of duty".

He was doing a motorcycle demonstration in another city and collapsed
from an un-named "medical condition".

[bigwillq]

10. Wait, so we like cops today?

RIP to the victims.

[Iggo]

13. Can't stand a one of them.

But I don't wish them dead.

R.I.P.

[REP]

28. There are some decent cops

I've been stopped by some of them and assisted by others when I was the vic. They all seem to be employed by the Mountain View PD, although the two CHPs who have stopped me were incredibly nice.

Sunnyvale PD pretty much blows, though.

[bigwillq]

34. there are good ones and bad ones

We hear more about the bad ones, which makes it seem like all are bad.

[reflection]

11. All deaths are saddening,

and I don't hold police officers in higher esteem any more than I do the average person just trying to make their way through life. RIP to the fallen officers and anyone else too.

[Logical]

32. Good point. Many jobs are dangerous. n-t

[NCTraveler]

15. May they rest in peace. May their families somehow find peace. nt.

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. 3 killed by gunfire

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So you would presumably support stricter gun laws.

[TheDeputy]

21. No. We have plenty.

I have seized firearms from numerous people. No law would have changed the situation on any of them. Example was a 15 year old with a sawed off shotgun in his pants. He was robbing people. He got 2 years for that. He got out, turned 18 a few months later, and was promptly nailed for another armed robbery. He told me that he stole the guns.

His mother blames me for his getting locked up.

[pitbullgirl1965]

30. Blames you?!

Some great parenting there! Little punk.

[Lee-Lee]

52. Its very common

We used to call it the "Wrong Crowd" syndrome. Every parent is sure their child is an angel who just fell in with the wrong crowd. No, hate to tell you, your demon spawn is the wrong crowd.

[Dan]

35. I hope you stick around,,,

it will be interesting to read your views...

[1000words]

19. How many perps?

[muriel_volestrangler]

23. 4 direct - 3 by gunfire, but TheDeputy doesn't care about that

3 by gunfire
1 the perp crashed a car into the officer's
1 accident while going to an emergency
2 sudden illness on duty
1 accident while driving home

But the availability of guns is not a problem to TheDeputy.

[rug]

26. 4 of the 8 died in a traffic accident or from illness.

Doesn't seem to me to be related to police work.

[Comrade Grumpy]

36. Those are still on-the-job deaths, and that's what is being counted on the ODMP page.

[rug]

37. Then it is more about OSHA than "the thin, blue line".

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Rip

[rug]

22. That's No.11 on the list.

Commercial fishing is Number 1.

See for yourself: http://www.businessinsider.com/most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-2013-8?op=1

No. 2 is logging.

[TransitJohn]

25. And how many killed by cops in the same time frame? eom

n/t

[etherealtruth]

27. I may not always have the kindest words for the behavior of the police (collectively)

However, this is horrid and totally unacceptable.

[Logical]

31. Most are auto accidents. And cops do not have that dangerous of jobs. n-t

[markpkessinger]

40. Exactly -- See #39 below n/t

[morningfog]

51. I wonder how many of those auto accidents were the result of unnecessary high speed chases?

[markpkessinger]

41. See #39 below n/t

[Logical]

29. Police work is not that dangerous. Not even in the Top 10 worst jobs. n-t

[markpkessinger]

39. This post is dishonest ...

You know, the police really don't do much to inspire confidence and credibility when they use statistics in a false and misleading way. I decided to do a little Snopes-style checking on your list. The first two are absolutely false -- the officers did not die in the line of duty. The third, fifth, sixth and eighth on the list are clearly legitimate line-of-duty deaths. The fourth is technically a line-of-duty death, but it resulted from something that can happen to anybody who drives a car; it is not a risk that is unique to being a police officer. In the case of the seventh on the list, Van Perry, he had a heart attack shortly after making an arrest; so yes, he died AT work, but not necessarily BECAUSE of it.

Look, I have family members who are police officers, so I am NOT anti-cop. But I also know enough about the culture of law enforcement in this country to know that police have a tendency to inflate line-of-duty statistics, and that is what is being done here.

1. Stockwell -- not killed in the line of duty, but in a car accident on the way home from his shift (see http://blog.al.com/live/2013/09/orange_beach_police_officer_di.html )
   
   
2. Jones -- not killed in the line of duty; collapsed and died suddenly while attending a motorcycle training event (see http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23440426/veteran-detroit-police-officer-collapses-dies-at-motorcycle-event )
   
   
3. Buenting -- legitimate; see http://www.messengernews.net/page/content.detail/id/569751/Jamie-Buenting-identified-as-police-officer-who-was-killed.html?nav=5010
   
   
4. Allford -- technically legitimate -- killed when his cruiser crashed after a tire blew out; yes, he was working at the time, so technically it qualifies as a 'line-of-duty' death, but tire blow-outs can happen to anybody who drives a car, and sadly sometimes they cause serious accidents;
   
   
5. Butterfield -- this one is legitimate; see http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57602211-504083/paul-butterfield-mich-state-trooper-shot-and-killed-during-traffic-stop-report-says/ ;
   
   
6. Freeman -- legitimate; killed in accident that occurred during a vehicle pursuit; see http://www.odmp.org/officer/21829-deputy-sheriff-michael-neal-freeman )
   
   
7. Perry -- Questionable. Died of a heart attack shortly after making an arrest. Line of duty, or dealt a lousy genetic hand? (See http://www.odmp.org/officer/21826-corporal-van-perry )
   
   
8. Johnson -- legitimate; shot and killed while investigating a suspicious vehicle (see http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2013/09/02/mgk-community-law-enforcement-mourn-loss-one-draper-shooting/ )

[Logical]

43. Nice post! nt

[morningfog]

53. Thanks for the break down. So, 3 were intentionally killed.

[99Forever]

56. Gee...

... a cop misrepresenting and distorting facts to achieve a desired goal?

I AM stunned.

[reflection]

58. Thank you for doing the heavy lifting here.

I appreciate the hard work you put into this.

[dorkzilla]

103. Good post! This from a cop's sister..

And I was once married into a large cop family. I've dated a few and have had many friends who are/were cops. Just the other day my cop brother (deputy sheriff) was railing against cops, saying they had gotten too militant and were getting "too good" at shooting unarmed people then justifying their actions. He repeated a story he told me a few months ago about one of the deputies who used to carry drugs around with him...just in case he needed to arrest someone he "knew" were dealers but didn't have any stuff on them.

I'm not suggesting all cops are like that, the majority really are good guys. But the bad ones...they fuck it up like nobody's business.

[Lancero]

42. Ok, and?

Given the innocents that police murder, and get away with doing so, I really can't feel much pity.

Harsh, but really? Karma.

[Savannahmann]

44. Since half those dead were from auto accidents,

May I suggest that the thin blue line buckle their fucking seatbelts and I don't know, keep it within ten miles of the speed limit for a change?

[furious]

64. Our department policies are seatbelts are to be worn when the cruiser is in motion,

and no more than 15mph over the posted speed limit unless it's a life or death call.

[cleanhippie]

65. And how many civilians were killed BY police officers, so far?

[furious]

66. In my town?

None. Nationwide? No idea, I don't keep track of that, my responsibility lies within my jurisdiction.

[cleanhippie]

67. All those officers listed in your post died in your jurisdiction?

Or is that nationwide?

Perhaps you mean to say that your responsibility selectively lies within your jurisdiction.

[furious]

68. I didn't list any officers in the post you responded to.

As far as I know, all the officers listed are nationwide.

[Daemonaquila]

45. Your point is...?

So, how many innocent people have been killed BY cops so far this month? How many injured and requiring hospitalization? How many tased? Sexually assaulted?

I'll worry about the number of cops killed in the line of duty when the cops start giving as much of a damn about the people they kill or injure in the use of excessive force and outright abuse of power.

I'll light a candle for Max. Dogs don't bulls**t.

[WatermelonRat]

95. In regard to your first question:

One.

[fletchthedubs]

46. Multiply that number by

Ten and I'd still be more upset about the number of pets shot for no reason by police. Citizens killed by police is the number we should be reading about here.

[sarisataka]

73. So you value human lives less than animals...

at least if they are police. Interesting.

[fletchthedubs]

75. When those people

Make a living locking people in cages like animals, yes I do.

[furious]

76. Sometimes people need to be locked up

because they do act like that.

[fletchthedubs]

78. Agreed.

How many people are locked in a cage for using a prohibited substance or trying to to survive by selling a prohibited substance? Police are happy to throw them in with the violent crooks every chance they get and take whatever money or property said person has.

[furious]

79. I'm in total agreement with you there.

I generally don't put those kind of people in jail, if I catch someone with some MJ, I'll either look the other way if it's just a couple of joints, or I'll just have them dump it and grind it into the ground.
Too much paperwork for such a small crime.

[fletchthedubs]

82. You GENERALLY don't lock someone in a cage

For possession of mj? How Christian of you.

[furious]

83. It depends upon the amount,

if it's a couple of keys, then I'll make the arrest, if it's a relatively small amount, then I'll turn a blind eye and forget I ever saw it, most of the department works on that principle.

[fletchthedubs]

84. Person with a cpl lbs

Loses his hard earned cash maybe house cars and product that he's already paid for, his family loses a member and an income and tax payers gain one more person in their custody to pay for. Meanwhile local stoners switch dealers the same day and never go without weed. What did you accomplish with that arrest?

Weed here in the us is sold in pounds not keys just FYI.

[furious]

85. And whose fault would that be?

[fletchthedubs]

88. Police who blindly enforce laws

Detrimental to the same public they are paid to protect and serve.
Granted my reply is pretty shakey and easy to argue, I'd still like an answer to my question in the post above. What did you making that hypothetical arrest accomplish?

[furious]

91. What did I accomplish with that arrest?

Other than doing what the taxpayers pay me to do, not much, but I can't turn a blind eye to large amounts of drugs, not only could I lose my job, but I could be prosecuted for being an accessory.

[fletchthedubs]

93. Keep the faith

Maybe if you keep it up long enough wrong will become right.

[furious]

96. We can only hope.

I look forward to day the feds finally throw in the towel on the WOD and finally legalize certain drugs, that would make my job so much easier, and I like it when my job is made easier.

[fletchthedubs]

86. Too much paperwork

Forget about the damage that arrest will cause the person, if you have to do some paperwork to fuck them over its not worth you tax-payer funded time.

[furious]

87. The paper work involved isn't the only reason I look the other way,

it's also the reason you outlined, an arrest record for small amounts of MJ can have a very negative impact on a person's background, which nowadays, everyone does background checks.

[sarisataka]

77. So criminals should not be locked up?

Or do we agree they should be they need to be locked up but it lessens the people who do it

[fletchthedubs]

81. I've had extensive experience

With police and the justice system in this country, I don't trust police or judges or prosecutors. Maybe you do, good luck with that. From my own personal experiences and others I've witnessed police are the most dangerous untrustworthy small minded people in our communities. If I didn't enjoy posting in these forums I'd be advocating for violence against any and all police personnel; but I do enjoy being part of debates here so I won't. Just for good measure though fuck the police.

[sarisataka]

89. Different strokes

I have a friend who is anti-police and believes they are all assholes. Of course every time he gets pulled over his opening line is usually what the fuck are you hassling me for, the doughnut shop closed. I suggested it perception of police might be related to his attitude...

I don't know you or your experience so I cannot say. For myself, 90%+ of my interactions with police are very good.

[fletchthedubs]

92. I am non confrontational with police

I have no desire to spend any time in jail or risk my life for the chance to mouth off to a uniform. I've had easy experiences with police on numerous occasions, none of these have come close to offsetting the life changing negative experiences. Just like cops cheer when they see a crook get sentenced to a long stay in the big house without knowing or caring who they were as a person, I cheer every time I hear about a cop getting killed or seriously hurt. I'm not going to change your mind here nor will you change mine. So once again fuck the police.

[furious]

94. 99% of my interactions with the public are positive.

It all comes down to attitude, both from the police and the public.
If I do a TS and the citizen immediately cops an attitude with me, guess what? I'll be polite and courteous but, they're getting a citation, if the citizen is polite and courteous, and the violation is no big deal, I'll let them off with a warning.

[Lee-Lee]

54. The disdain for police at DU puzzles and amuses me, and is mostly hypocritical

We on the left are supposed to be about government, and all it can do for the people.

Without the police keeping order, there is anarchy. In fact no government program, when it comes down to it, can ever exist without police power. Because all regulations, and in the end all taxes that fund all the programs we love, are enforced by the police in one form or another. No matter what the regulation or tax, ignore it long enough and the eventual consequence and enforcement involves and armed officer showing up. Some take longer to get there, but that, in the end, is the root of all government power and enforcement.

Love your local library? School? Fire department? Funded by property taxes. Don't pay your taxes? If you refuse to in the end that is enforced by an armed officer coming and seizing your property so it can be sold so your share of the collective cost of that library, and the fire department, and the schools is paid.

If the government did not have the power of the police to enforce taxation, NO government programs would exist, because nobody would pay taxes.

None.

Do you like environmental laws? Without armed enforcement in the end they are toothless. Most enforcement actions don't reach the point of needing it, because the threat is there and that is enough. If it wasn't, inspectors couldn't even gain access to most properties to check for violations.

Do you like like having highways and railroads? National parks? Without eminent domain, and armed officers removing landowners who refused to budge, they wouldn't exist.

This is a simple reality of government. To exist it must have the power to ensure compliance with the mandates of the majority with regards to taxation and behavior.

I know many of you are probably frothing at the mouth now mad at what I am saying- but it is reality. No police= no government programs that come from taxation. Because taxation not backed up by the power to seize property and arrest for nonpayment would never be paid.

This is a simple fact of government. Most here are loath to ever admit it, but it is true. Behind EVERY action government takes, behind EVERY program, there exists a line of men and women with badges, guns and police powers that enable it. Be they tax collectors, whose actions on the Federal level ensure our nations programs are funded, or Sheriffs deputies who enforce seizures when local taxes go unpaid, to city police who go along to ensure access when city inspectors are denied access to check for illegal hazardous waste storage.

If you like government doing things for people, then the price that comes with that is having a police force that is powerful enough to enforce the laws that enable that government to exist and operate. The more we want government to do, the more power we have to, in exchange, accept armed agents of that government having over us and segments of our society.

But 99% of people never think about that.

[99Forever]

59. Oh please...

... save it for the Sheeple.

[Lee-Lee]

61. Stay in denial if you wish

[99Forever]

112. Pot...

... meet kettle.

[sarisataka]

74. Sheeple...

I find the use of that term ironic here

[Comrade Grumpy]

80. People have problems not with police per se, but with their behavior.

I think just about everyone agrees there is a need for a police force. But the relentless cavalcade of stories about police thuggishness, police brutality, police killings has soured many, many people.

We need a national commission on law enforcement standards and practices.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

107. institutionalized racism is my disdain for the police. not because i don't understand government

[BootinUp]

55. I didn't know that

I am sorry they paid such a high price doing their job.

[BootinUp]

57. Ok Dude, Stop posting flame bait here

lol. Amazing isn't it?

[furious]

63. Another was killed in the line of duty early this morning.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/20/indianapolis-officer-shooting-death/2841487/

Officer Rod Bradway of the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department.

RIP Officer Rod Bradway.

[TheDeputy]

71. A shame.

I will do my best to attend his funeral.

[furious]

72. I would like to, but I live to far away.

I'll just pay my respects in my own way.

Our Sheriff has authorized the wearing of mourning bands across our shields for 5 days in honor of a fallen comrade.

[fletchthedubs]

97. Never dealt with him personally

But I operate in his patrol area, and he is well known for being a racist pos. sorry, WAS known.

[pitbullgirl1965]

111. Damn. It seems like the majority of LEO are.

Of course it may be confirmation bias on my part. Someone like him should not be in LE.

Are you on PoliceOne? If so what do you think of the membership over there? I'm disgusted and angry by the comments over there, but it'd be interesting to see what liberal LEO think.

[pinboy3niner]

90. I shot the sheriff. But I di not shoot TheDeputy

[pitbullgirl1965]

98. Are you a member of PoliceOne.com?

I lurk over there to see their reactions to various and sundry news. The majority of the comments back up their fellow LE no matter how egregiously they behave, and some of the comments are hateful and cruel.
One asshole (JoetheMountie) really is a hateful toad: on the shooting of Max the Rottiweiler in Hawthorne: "Let's buy him a new dog!' Maybe a Shotweiller, or a Remington Springer Spanial"
I cried when I saw that. I just lost my dog and it hurt so bad (it still does). If I'd seen her shot in front of me while begging for her life, I'd kill myself. And he and others thought it was a big joke, mocking the owners pain.

The very few sane users on their are routinely accused of not be LEO, and "libtards".
One of them has warned that people from both the left and right (he specifically named the FreeRepublic) are growing extremely angry, and "ready to go to war" with LE.

They also defend the militarization of LE, without considering that LE and the military are two different mindsets and jobs.
Two quotes from the HBO television series "The Wire"

"This drug thing, this ain't police work. Soldiering and police, they ain't the same thing."

"You call something a war and pretty soon everyone's gonna' be running around acting like warriors. They're gonna' be running around on a damn crusade, storming corners, slapping on cuffs and racking up body counts. And when you're at war you need an enemy. And pretty soon damn near everybody on every corner's your enemy. And soon the neighborhood you're supposed to be policing, that's just occupied territory."

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[TheDeputy]

99. No. Not a member.

I get their articles now and then sent to me via Facebook, but that is the limit of my contact with the site.

[pitbullgirl1965]

100. What do you think of it?

n/t

[TheDeputy]

104. Never perused the site,

I don't have enough info to form an opinion, yet. I shall check it out over the next week.

[pitbullgirl1965]

109. I'm curious what you'd think.

If you're on D.U. I'm assuming you're not right winger. Don't mind the naysayers below. I am as angry as them about "badge heavy" LEO, excessive force, racial profiling, et al. But they didn't you a chance.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

106. is there a point to this thread? i am confused about why it's posted

cops get killed in the line of work they choose. so do firemen and soldiers. usually we dont tally the list unless we are making a point. so what the fuck is your point?

on edit: apparently more people died trying to feed me than trying to protect me.