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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI do not favor open-carry for pornography.
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I am a 1st Amendment zealot. Something of a crackpot on the topic.
And, since porn is the most commonly abridged form of expression, I have been in the position of defending porn a zillion times.
I also favor other sexual freedoms. Do what you want with consenting adults. Gay. Straight. Kink. Vanilla. It's your deal.
At no point, however, have I felt that there is no limit on public display. I do not feel that I have an absolute right to put up a sexually explicit billboard. I also feel no absolute right to promote a candidate of my choice with a blaring sound-truck driving through your neighborhood in the middle of the night.
A person has an absolute right to masturbate... somewhere. But not on the subway.
Strip joints typically have the windows painted opaque. Seems reasonable to me, even though I feel they have an absolute right to exist. Barring incidental public view is much less outrageous than a legal dress code for dancers who are seen only by willing adults and not visible to passers-by, for instance. (If a sexually non-hostile workplace is an obvious right then some relative desexualization of the in-your-face public sphere is not, to me, intrinsically outrageous. In some cases outrageous, surely. But not intrinsically.)
Even stipulating a right to be a gun-owner doesn't confer an absolute right to the gun-owner "lifestyle" of carrying a gun everywhere, any more than I have a right to masturbate at the grocery store. And I am not being snarky in talking about gun rights. I am more sympathetic to gun rights than 90% of gun control advocates. I am troubled by banning things. Almost all things. Words. Drugs. Guns. Pictures. It troubles and concerns me.
But carrying a gun everywhere? We have a right to "bear" arms. Cool. That doesn't mean everywhere. We also have a right, IMO, to dance naked... but not nessecarily everywhere. (If "well regulated" doesn't imply control of gun ownership it certainly implies something. Time and place regulation is not obviously a screaming 2nd Amendment violation.)
I have a lot of admiration for nudists. It is an intriguing point of view. And they can be as nude a jay-birds at the nude-range... sorry, nude beach. I have no problem with a specified area where they can be nude while shooting at targets... sorry, I meant be nude while playing volleyball.
But if a person just don't feel comfortable wearing clothes (a reasonable POV, IMO) that is kind of in the "tough shit" category when it comes to some reaches of public life.
Seriously... am I supposed to be less sympathetic to the desire to go about the city streets as God made you than to the desire to go about the streets carrying a deadly weapon?
(And I, unlike the Supreme Court, do feel dancing nude to be a 1st Amendment protected expression.)
Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)Gun nuts don't give a shit. They want their right to kill anyone they are afraid of, anywhere. Fear is their life.
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,761 posts)why do you think people open carry in inappropriate places?
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)Really. I find them an interesting contribution to the gun rights debate.
Thank you.
House of Roberts
(5,184 posts)With open carry I know who to stay away from.
With concealed carry, I have to look for the Confederate flag on the tailgate of their pickup.
spin
(17,493 posts)However there is no Confederate flag on my tailgate. I live in Florida but I was born in Pennsylvania and raised in Ohio. If any of my ancestors fought in the Civil War, they fought on the Northern side.
But I did get a good laugh out of your post. It was humorous.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)People forget this, but back then, people were forced to choose sides because of where the civil war was...
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Wool is kind of scratchy and I live in CA where it isn't so cold I have to wear woollies. I do feel you shouldn't be forced to see naked people and I don't know any nudist that feels you should. There are some events in San Fran where naked people are but it is well publicized and you aren't forced to attend. We have Pirates cove in SLO county where we are nude but you don't have to go there either. There is Avila which is a very nice clothed beach near by.
But I hate seeing people carrying around guns.
riqster
(13,986 posts)I got 1984, Animal Farm, and V For Vendetta (These days, such books are considered porn by lots of Right Wingnuts.)
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Since in at no point did the OP mention the word "topless", nor did he include the word "women", the choice is that you are derailing to the point of trolling, or you are being sarcastic.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)which more often than not in this country includes female toplessness.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)process of hijacking an OP.
This is a textbook example of malicious trolling.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)based on the OP. You will note that in their reply to me the OP noted "some level of permissible public sphere
interest in personal expression" but wouldn't say specifically whether that included women being topless and if
so only in some specific cases.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)The OP acknowledges some level of permissible public sphere interest in personal expression.
As to whether bared breasts are within that interest is a tangent.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)It's bad enough when we on DU have nasty arguments about opinions we actually have. When someone works this hard to impute an opinion to you that is nowhere near what you voiced so they can attack you, it's pretty ugly.
1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Not that I am, I was just asking what if I was.
1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)Everyone here is beautiful people.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)It's acceptable to whip it out in public so long as the other party is asking for it.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)What damage is done by seeing a naked body? Nobody has a right to not ever be offended, yet that (and religious delusions) is what these laws are based on.
hunter
(38,328 posts)Nevertheless, I've never walked into our neighborhood Starbucks nude.
When our kids were young we saw inflated scrotum guy.
(If you live in the San Francisco Bay Area you may know... )
As parents our response was, "No, that's a bad idea."
In our family ordinary naked people are unremarkable. Skinny dipping is fine, babies are openly nursed, and clothes are changed anywhere. I saw my great grandma's boobs. She didn't care and ten year old me didn't care either. In her two room house full of people there was not much expectation of privacy. A sibling of mine remembers taking a bath with her. The water was hauled into the house in buckets and heated on the wood stove. You didn't waste it.
I'm not one who would get nipple piercings or tattoos (I don't like needles) but tattoos and piercing surely are an adult human right and I admire art.
Guns are something worse for me. These "open carry" guys might as well be masturbating in public. Or worse than that.
Keep it in your pants, morons.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)No. Wait. No I don't.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Free speech and free expression are not general rights to be offensive, inconsiderate, or impolite. Not everyone wants to see or do what you like to see or do, and vice versa I would assume.
Political speech is another matter, there the protections are more severe, but annoying your neighbors or "the squares" or whomever you dislike today (say the BOG group members) is not political speech either; political speech must have political content.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)is a bit much.