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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe 5 poorest states are all in the south
While the richest are in the north and Hawaii
Census report released earlier this month put median household income, adjusted for inflation, at $51,017 in 2012, and said that most people have had no gains since the economy hit bottom in 2009.
Sheldon Danziger, the president of the Russell Sage Foundation, views the stagnation as a metaphor for the economic recovery. Most of the gains are going to the wealthiest Americans, he said. "I don't see any bright prospects for the median worker, much less the poor."
Not surprisingly, the types of jobs available in each state affect incomes. Residents of states with the highest median incomes were more likely to be employed in information, finance and other professional sectors, the Census Bureau data show.
Each of the 10 states with the lowest incomes in 2012 also had poverty rates that exceeded the national average. Nationally, the poverty rate held steady at just below 16% in 2012. Government programs remain a lifeline for millions.
Residents of low-income states had relatively high rates of employment in the retail, manufacturing and transportation sectors. The high proportion of manufacturing jobs might be surprising, but it reflects the changing nature of the nation's manufacturing industry.
"There's a difference between unionized auto company workers and non-unionized parts suppliers," Danziger said. "Even when manufacturers haven't cut wages, they are adopting labor-saving technological change."
Poorest states:
___5. Kentucky
___4. Alabama
___3. West Virgina
___2. Arkansas
___1. Mississippi
http://money.msn.com/investing/americas-richest-and-poorest-states?gt1=33002
MADem
(135,425 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Not a huge taker, but a taker, nonetheless.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)a twenty-year view 1990-2009 - could be a different time period between the two views
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2012/11/how-the-takers-voted.html
MADem
(135,425 posts)And riffing off a Feb 2012 NYT article:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-map-that-proves-red-staters-use-the-safety-net-too
Just over a week ago, the New York Times ran an eye-opening story about a key paradox in U.S. politics: It turns out the biggest critics of federal spending -- Republican base voters -- are some of the biggest beneficiaries of the social safety net.
Expand on that irony, and you'll find that some of the most conservative states in the country are the greatest beneficiaries of transfer payments -- where residents pay on average less in taxes than they receive in federal benefits. Not all "taker" states are red, and not all "giver" states are blue.
But the color spread on the map below suggests that many Republican base voters either choose to vote against their economic self-interest, or would be stunned if the members of Congress who represent them ever got their way.
Another point of national cognitive dissonance: for all the hype and anger about soaring deficits, all the green and dark green on the map illustrate how severe the implications of balancing the budget too rapidly would be.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... they also take in the most in Federal funds. Not sure if that was stated in the article.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
LuvNewcastle
(16,834 posts)poor in the South is that there's plenty of other people in the same boat. I think I'd be a lot more self-conscious about it if I lived in a wealthy state. At least I don't feel like I'm being left out of anything. It's harder to stomach that tuna sandwich when everyone around you is eating steak.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)trusty elf
(7,380 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)because they are looking out for their interests.
durablend
(7,455 posts)"Can't have those moochers buying indoor plumbing with those food stamps!"
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)The richest counties (with the exception of Pulaski) usually vote Republican.
And Benton County was solidly Democratic until rich retirees from the North started coming down in droves in the '60s.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)I love when people pretend like they know what they're talking about.
I dunno about Arkansas, but Alabama also has the problem that the vote counters are vested in a Republican win and there's pretty much zero accountability.
AllyCat
(16,140 posts)And we were in AR this past summer...also, boarded up shops, no one working, streets and homes in disrepair CITYWIDE...not just one section of town.
And these folks keep on voting Republican.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)It certainly wasn't Northwest Arkansas.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)AllyCat
(16,140 posts)Most of the people I talked to were worried about someone taking their guns. Maybe it was just the crowd.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Northeastern Arkansas has rarely seen good times. There are a few exceptions, like Jonesboro, which has a university to help spur its economy, but the main economy of the rest of the region is pretty much farming.
AllyCat
(16,140 posts)and the level of poverty was heartbreaking.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)you should visit Lee County on the Mississippi River, which I believe is the poorest in the state.
On the other hand, there is Northwest Arkansas, which is home to Wal-Mart, Tyson's, Arvest, and the flagship campus of the University of Arkansas, not to mention thousands of wealthy retirees and various industries. There are also all sorts of new developments going up, like this one http://www.pinnaclecc.com/ The area consistently votes Republican, and has had a Republican Congressman since 1967.
This is just a theory of mine, but I get the feeling that a lot of people in the rest of the state, who have long voted Democratic, may have started to look at the Northwest and wonder if they could get their local economies stimulated by voting Republican. This might help explain (but not completely explain) why all of the state's US representatives are now Republicans, the first time that's happened since Reconstruction.
On edit: Another thing to take into consideration about the state's recent voting patterns is the leadership crisis that has been affecting the Arkansas Democratic Party since the former party chairman, Bill Gwatney, was murdered in a bizarre incident in his office back in 2008.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)Koched. They know a state with incredible riches when they see one.
I think another area that is stunningly poor is Hot Springs area. For what it is, the town is boarded up and depressed as hell. I thought it would have been thriving, but no. Going further south, it is so lovely but soooo poor. They are repukes because of all the little white churches with the hate speech preachers.
questionseverything
(9,645 posts)Results Drastically Changed
The election numbers have radically changed in Monroe County since the May 18th election. At least as reported on the SoS website, and as confirmed by local officials.
It's not all that unusual for the unofficial numbers to move a bit following election day, as absentee and provisional ballots are counted and added in to the totals, and as precinct numbers are double-checked for accuracy in the post-election canvass. It is, however, unusual, for vote totals to get a great deal smaller rather than larger in the days following the election. And that's what seems to have happened in Monroe County --- radically so.
Somehow, more than a thousand votes disappeared entirely, as the election results in the Dem and GOP Senate primaries have almost entirely changed.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)but I'm totally open to that as fact. I watched them rig the county that would have given Bill Halter the democratic primary.
This is really a corrupt little state with "families" controlling their little territories; except that the state is getting new people who don't know and won't follow the "rules."
questionseverything
(9,645 posts)this was monroe county,article published by bradblog on june 4th,2010
results on may 19th(according to state reporting site)
morrison 135,lincoln 258,halter 207
by may 25th(according to same state reporting site)
morrison 307,lincoln 1025,halter 733
also thousands of republican voters disappear
all with no explaination
i would love to hear the story of the county you watched
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)the number of polling places were reduced to 2 in a very rural county. I think there were 8 in the primary. I'm still new to the state and don't know all the counties.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Back in 1996, Ken Starr's witch hunters ousted then-governor Jim Guy Tucker so that the Republican lieutenant governor, Mike Huckabee, could become governor. (There's no way they would have hounded Tucker if the lieutenant governor had been a Democrat).
Frankie the Bird
(70 posts)And get them to stop voting Republican because they vote against their interests.
God, guns and gays are no longer the priority.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)your votes aren't actually being counted. Corruption is rife at the state and county levels, and there's not much we can do about it. What are we going to do, vote them out?
former9thward
(31,935 posts)And a Democratic Governor. They vote Republican at the Presidential level because of coal.
AllyCat
(16,140 posts)I thought they were now two Repub Senators. My bad! I met lots of people on the train going through WV who lived in the area. They confirmed how depressed it is and that nothing ever seems to change. Aside from coal, they said a major industry is tourism. I can believe it...the countryside and the river (Kanahwa) were breathtaking. Saw some nice trailheads too.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)California has voted Democratic is 6 of them. Compare and contrast.
former9thward
(31,935 posts)CA and WV are trending in opposite directions.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)we expanded medicaid and took the grants for the exchanges.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)What's the deal?
trof
(54,256 posts)They usually keep us off the very bottom of such lists.
LuvNewcastle
(16,834 posts)rich people in Alabama will come over and give us your money.
trof
(54,256 posts)We'd rather help educate Florida kids than our own.
Turbineguy
(37,288 posts)seems to be working.
Hey! Here's an idea! Why don't the rest of us elect republicans too? That way we can be poorer too!
Romulox
(25,960 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)and in another we mock poor places.
What a bunch of bullshit.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)I didn't make the red states poor, and I most certainly didn't mock anything.
cordelia
(2,174 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)bothersome.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)not the OP.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Mathematics and statistics are indeed, mocking...
But I can understand how one may confuse the two, an apple and an orange are quite similar one to the other... because they're both round?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)in fact, it split from Virginia because it did not wish to secede from the Union.