Thu Sep 26, 2013, 09:53 AM

Laelth (32,014 posts)

Pope Francis on abortion, gays, and contraception (toon).

To quote Frank Herbert from Dune (with a little twist): "Against my better judgment, I like this Pope."

-Laelth

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Pope Francis on abortion, gays, and contraception (toon). (Original post)	Laelth	Sep 2013	OP
Kick...	Agschmid	Sep 2013	#1
Interesting. Thanks.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#3
In actual fact Francis has called gay people evil, our families 'an attack on God' and adoption	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2013	#2
No, I do not.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#4
You are promoting an anti gay bigot as if he was for equality and decency. That's not cool.	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2013	#5
Are you okay?	Agschmid	Sep 2013	#7
Are you?	cleanhippie	Sep 2013	#14
No I see that.	Agschmid	Sep 2013	#17
I see no personal attack of the OP.	cleanhippie	Sep 2013	#20
"You are taking part in an attack on good people who never harmed you in any way. It is disgusting."	el_bryanto	Sep 2013	#22
Indeed. Perhaps better wording is in order.	cleanhippie	Sep 2013	#28
I do - but I'm not sure that such rage is productive, particularly as directed against	el_bryanto	Sep 2013	#29
GD SOP says no threads about religion. We endure an aggressive and constant onslaught of	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2013	#38
I agree that religious threads at GD are problematic	el_bryanto	Sep 2013	#42
+1	Agschmid	Sep 2013	#55
I have read this post several times now, and I concede that I could have done better.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#58
No, probably not. But it's intellectually more honest.	cleanhippie	Sep 2013	#39
Do you think that believing Roman Catholics have a place at DU? nt	el_bryanto	Sep 2013	#40
Huh? When did I say another doesn't belong on DU?	cleanhippie	Sep 2013	#46
Well it is a clash of values isn't it?	el_bryanto	Sep 2013	#49
My feelings about the laity are well known.	cleanhippie	Sep 2013	#68
It is a bit of a dodge to say it's someone else's decision.	el_bryanto	Sep 2013	#76
A dodge? I explicitly stated "I'm all for an open forum".	cleanhippie	Sep 2013	#78
I participate there regularly, so perhaps we'll have a chance to discuss it. nt	el_bryanto	Sep 2013	#81
Sounds good. Until then...	cleanhippie	Sep 2013	#82
Wouldn't that depend on what they believe?	MNBrewer	Sep 2013	#71
I know of at least one Catholic on this board who teaches hate to schoolchildren...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2013	#41
I'm not - but then I'm not surprised	el_bryanto	Sep 2013	#44
I appreciate your skepticism. Honestly.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#45
better wording? No, Bluenorthwest intentionally attacks DU'ers and gets away with it.	KittyWampus	Sep 2013	#52
If you say so. I'm not that familiar with their posting habits.	cleanhippie	Sep 2013	#64
It might be personal in that it references a person, but in what way is an "attack"?	MNBrewer	Sep 2013	#69
I thought the cartoon was great.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#9
It's not worth your time with this one. Good cartoon.	Agschmid	Sep 2013	#11
'This one'? Seriously Senator McCain?	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2013	#18
My comments are not personal...	Agschmid	Sep 2013	#53
He's an improvement in tone, not in message, that is the issue...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2013	#13
Let me know when the Pope actually SAYS what you claim. Do I agree? Sure but does	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2013	#15
Here's a fact for you.	JNelson6563	Sep 2013	#12
How is this pope an improvement? He speaks softly, but is just as hateful...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2013	#21
Ok, really?	JNelson6563	Sep 2013	#32
The problem is that, with the Catholic Church, like other religions, much of that...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2013	#35
"Stuff you support"	JNelson6563	Sep 2013	#84
This Pope has reaffirmed Church doctrine on sexuality, bashed "gay lobbies"...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2013	#37
I believe Pope Francis will definitely change the Catholic Church.	blueamy66	Sep 2013	#16
Seriously. How is this not an improvement?	Laelth	Sep 2013	#24
Becaue the next day his organization was back on the full tilt attack and Frankie said zip	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2013	#30
Not to mention that his message was essentially to evangalize in a way to make...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2013	#31
So until he does everything up to code and turns around...	Decaffeinated	Sep 2013	#65
Welcome to DU.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#73
Chill.	Agschmid	Sep 2013	#6
What steps? And if people are allowed beliefs why are you telling me to 'chill'?	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2013	#8
Faith mates...	Agschmid	Sep 2013	#10
Post removed	Post removed	Sep 2013	#19
Of course he is. Of course the RCC is an organization premised on hate.	yodermon	Sep 2013	#34
I'm looking to express my opinion. I don't give a shit how they run the Vatican	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2013	#47
-more personal attacks. Bluenorthwest, yesterday you essentially smeared me as a homophobe	KittyWampus	Sep 2013	#50
You do realize you are the one who called me faith mates?	Agschmid	Sep 2013	#56
Good cartoon. Too bad this thread has descended into the usual Popebashingfest.	bklyncowgirl	Sep 2013	#23
Get back to me when he apologizes for his conduct and treatment of GLBT people in...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2013	#26
Thanks for the post.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#27
"Jesus was a liberal." Correction, Jesus is a mirror, reflecting the beliefs of believers...	Humanist_Activist	Sep 2013	#33
Having read Nietzsche on this subject, I concede that you are right.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#43
Interesting side note. JFK was the only Catholic elected as president and many thought his beliefs	adirondacker	Sep 2013	#36
Posts about religion are not supposed to be in GD. There are good reasons for that.	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2013	#25
Who cares what Jesus/ the bible says? It's BECAUSE of religion that this attitude exists at all.	cleanhippie	Sep 2013	#48
Well, that's the thing.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#51
The Pope also made a recent comment that blasted abortion.	totodeinhere	Sep 2013	#54
True. Perhaps I erred in putting the Pope's name in the thread title.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#57
he's threading a needle here between Catholic doctrine and common sense/real life	ZRT2209	Sep 2013	#62
The same way which John the 23rd did.	Dawson Leery	Sep 2013	#77
cool. great cartoon, thanks.	Sheri	Sep 2013	#59
My pleasure. n/t	Laelth	Sep 2013	#79
He cares more about his men than the spice.	ZRT2209	Sep 2013	#60
Goddamn, I'm getting bloody SICK of all this slobbering over this pope!	Arugula Latte	Sep 2013	#61
that's not right. he's got conservative Catholics in an uproar.	ZRT2209	Sep 2013	#63
They're in an uproar over windowdressing.	Arugula Latte	Sep 2013	#66
I take it you didn't like the cartoon.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#67
You posted this comment: "I like this pope"	Arugula Latte	Sep 2013	#70
OK. So, you don't want to talk about the cartoon. Fine.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#72
That's what is getting to me. Otherwise liberal, enlightened people are falling for the PR.	Arugula Latte	Sep 2013	#74
You may be right.	Laelth	Sep 2013	#75
It's gonna take a lot of time and love to repair what the church has done to	Zorra	Sep 2013	#80
+1000	Sissyk	Sep 2013	#83

Response to Laelth (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2013, 09:56 AM

Agschmid (28,749 posts)

1. Kick...

There was a very good "On Point" the other day about this subject... apparently just mentioning the subject has changed the entire dynamic. Check it out under iTunes podcasts or the WBUR site...

http://onpoint.wbur.org/2013/09/23/pope-francis#disqus_thread

Pope Francis on abortion, gays, and contraception (toon).

1. Kick...

3. Interesting. Thanks.

2. In actual fact Francis has called gay people evil, our families 'an attack on God' and adoption

4. No, I do not.

5. You are promoting an anti gay bigot as if he was for equality and decency. That's not cool.

7. Are you okay?

14. Are you?

17. No I see that.

20. I see no personal attack of the OP.

22. "You are taking part in an attack on good people who never harmed you in any way. It is disgusting."

28. Indeed. Perhaps better wording is in order.

29. I do - but I'm not sure that such rage is productive, particularly as directed against

38. GD SOP says no threads about religion. We endure an aggressive and constant onslaught of

42. I agree that religious threads at GD are problematic

55. +1

58. I have read this post several times now, and I concede that I could have done better.

39. No, probably not. But it's intellectually more honest.

40. Do you think that believing Roman Catholics have a place at DU? nt

46. Huh? When did I say another doesn't belong on DU?

49. Well it is a clash of values isn't it?

68. My feelings about the laity are well known.

76. It is a bit of a dodge to say it's someone else's decision.

78. A dodge? I explicitly stated "I'm all for an open forum".

81. I participate there regularly, so perhaps we'll have a chance to discuss it. nt

82. Sounds good. Until then...

71. Wouldn't that depend on what they believe?

41. I know of at least one Catholic on this board who teaches hate to schoolchildren...

44. I'm not - but then I'm not surprised

45. I appreciate your skepticism. Honestly.

52. better wording? No, Bluenorthwest intentionally attacks DU'ers and gets away with it.

64. If you say so. I'm not that familiar with their posting habits.

69. It might be personal in that it references a person, but in what way is an "attack"?

9. I thought the cartoon was great.

11. It's not worth your time with this one. Good cartoon.

18. 'This one'? Seriously Senator McCain?

53. My comments are not personal...

13. He's an improvement in tone, not in message, that is the issue...

15. Let me know when the Pope actually SAYS what you claim. Do I agree? Sure but does

12. Here's a fact for you.

21. How is this pope an improvement? He speaks softly, but is just as hateful...

32. Ok, really?

35. The problem is that, with the Catholic Church, like other religions, much of that...

84. "Stuff you support"

37. This Pope has reaffirmed Church doctrine on sexuality, bashed "gay lobbies"...

16. I believe Pope Francis will definitely change the Catholic Church.

24. Seriously. How is this not an improvement?

30. Becaue the next day his organization was back on the full tilt attack and Frankie said zip

31. Not to mention that his message was essentially to evangalize in a way to make...

65. So until he does everything up to code and turns around...

73. Welcome to DU.

6. Chill.

8. What steps? And if people are allowed beliefs why are you telling me to 'chill'?

10. Faith mates...

34. Of course he is. Of course the RCC is an organization premised on hate.

47. I'm looking to express my opinion. I don't give a shit how they run the Vatican

50. -more personal attacks. Bluenorthwest, yesterday you essentially smeared me as a homophobe

56. You do realize you are the one who called me faith mates?

23. Good cartoon. Too bad this thread has descended into the usual Popebashingfest.

26. Get back to me when he apologizes for his conduct and treatment of GLBT people in...

27. Thanks for the post.

33. "Jesus was a liberal." Correction, Jesus is a mirror, reflecting the beliefs of believers...

43. Having read Nietzsche on this subject, I concede that you are right.

36. Interesting side note. JFK was the only Catholic elected as president and many thought his beliefs

25. Posts about religion are not supposed to be in GD. There are good reasons for that.

48. Who cares what Jesus/ the bible says? It's BECAUSE of religion that this attitude exists at all.

51. Well, that's the thing.

54. The Pope also made a recent comment that blasted abortion.

57. True. Perhaps I erred in putting the Pope's name in the thread title.

62. he's threading a needle here between Catholic doctrine and common sense/real life

77. The same way which John the 23rd did.

59. cool. great cartoon, thanks.

79. My pleasure. n/t

60. He cares more about his men than the spice.

61. Goddamn, I'm getting bloody SICK of all this slobbering over this pope!

63. that's not right. he's got conservative Catholics in an uproar.

66. They're in an uproar over windowdressing.

67. I take it you didn't like the cartoon.

70. You posted this comment: "I like this pope"

72. OK. So, you don't want to talk about the cartoon. Fine.