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[geek tragedy]

1. No, we'll get pissed at the Republican terrorists

who manufactured this crisis and are threatening to destroy our economy, thank you.

[hrmjustin]

2. I think the people who won't get paid have a right to be nervous.

[Llewlladdwr]

3. Not the end...

But another furlough certainly won't be any fun. I was just now getting caught up from the last one.

[MrMickeysMom]

4. Call Boehner's number and tell him that...

or something else... West Chester, OH 45069
[phone] tel

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. Me and my family are OK...

I'm retired and my SS money came in already for October.

I hope everything will be all right.

[Lasher]

9. SS checks are not supposed to be delayed.

Post Offices to remain open.

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13. No public assistance will be delayed, says ABC.

Saw that tonight. Mail still runs too, yes, according to them.

[CreekDog]

78. keep laughing...if you love the rest of it, you'll love this

25. Will the District of Columbia shut down? The district does not have complete autonomy and relies on an appropriation from Congress to operate. So during the shutdowns in the 1990s, trash went uncollected, and many city departments closed.

31. Will e-Verify be affected? Yes. The government system to allow companies to voluntarily check the legal work status of its employees would be shut down.

41. What will happen to veterans receiving compensation for service- or combat-related wounds and injuries? The Department of Veterans Affairs said if the shutdown continues into late October, it will run out of money for compensation and pension checks to more than 3.6 million veterans who rely on the money to support themselves.

42. Can I still get a federally backed loan? Maybe not. "Federal loans for rural communities, small business owners, families buying a home will be frozen," President Obama said Friday.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/29/questions-and-answers-about-the-shutdown/2888419/

[shireen]

6. dejected

[Cali_Democrat]

7. Hmmmm...me thinks you support a shutdown.

Yep.

Too bad innocent people will be furloughed and won't be paid.

Not that you care.

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11. I'm transfixed by the political theater.

We do discuss politics here. Some of us are able to step outside this month's crisis and take a different perspective. Like a political observer would.

[hrmjustin]

12. What do you see happening then?

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20. I don't know. I don't think either side will blink.

I think there will be some compromise that allows both sides to save face.

I don't think the ACA will be defunded. I doubt it will be delayed any longer than it takes to work out that compromise, though a small delay might end up being part of that compromise.

It is fascinating to watch. Nobody is getting hurt that I can see. Nobody is going to go without, as far as I can tell.

[hrmjustin]

22. Well there are people getting hurt.

Veteran services will be hurt. People will go without pay and people live paycheck to paycheck.

If this is just for a few hours then it might not do too much damage but if it lasts for several days or God forbid weeks it will do serious damage.

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32. Who is going without pay that lives paycheck to paycheck?

And I ask this as someone who has been going without a paycheck off and on for four years now.

[ProSense]

35. Yes, you're worse off or in just as precarious a position

as everyone. So to hell with them, right?

It's all about you. The facts, the reality, the warnings don't mean shit because you think it's a joke.

[hrmjustin]

37. Considering the amount of federal workers there are ound to be several who are in serious danger

without a paycheck. People will hurt the longer this goes on.

I am assuming your against the shutdown and are just saying to not get too worried, but it is scary to people who it will loose a paycheck.

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43. Yes, that is mostly what I'm saying.

But I'm also poking fun at the drama kings and queens who haven't unclenched their teeth in years.

But most just to chill. It probably won't last very long and no matter what I say, or any of us says, it has happened. You can drive a drill bit into your head or you can take a deep breath and realize it isn't the end of the world, you know?

[hrmjustin]

45. Yes but you can also say some people are nervous and angry and want to vent.

[Llewlladdwr]

40. Me, for one.

We have some money in savings but already dipped into that during the last furlough. If this goes on very long at all I'll be looking at taking money out of retirement funds. This really does have serious consequences for a lot of us.

[CreekDog]

58. Federal workers.

workers who are furloughed will go without pay.

and if the worker is essential, they will have to work without pay until the shutdown ends.

do you think a low paid essential worker not paid for 3 weeks (the length of the last shutdown) is not a hardship?

this is obviously where you've decided to strike and just make it completely obvious to the rest of us that you resent and despise us, poor people and Democrats.

you staked your claim, we'll see how long you last here. you may, but the remaining few that weren't on to you, are now going to be.

and as much as you make fun of me for my posts and OP's, let's count the recommends on this OP and on your last big OP.

you'd be happier on another board, at least people would agree with you there.

[HangOnKids]

80. No paycheck for four years?

Are you alright?

[ProSense]

24. So your

"It is fascinating to watch. Nobody is getting hurt that I can see. Nobody is going to go without, as far as I can tell."

...position is based on ignorance of the facts?

[Llewlladdwr]

28. People are getting hurt even if *you* don't see it.

And yes, some of us will go without due to this.

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33. Enlighten me please. n/t

[Llewlladdwr]

47. It's pretty simple Skip Intro.

After one more half day tomorrow I will no longer be receiving a paycheck until further notice. I'll be eligible for unemployment benefits but frankly that won't cover much more than food and utilities. I'll be faced with contacting my creditors and working out some sort of payment agreements, and that crap is never fun. If this goes on very long I'll start canceling plans for any holiday travel. Might not seem like much to you but it's kinda overwhelming me right now.

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60. Can I ask what job you hold?

My whole point with this thread was to chill out, look at it from a political observer standpoint, and chill out rather than go into some wild panic.

The joke I made was at the expense of those going into dramatics as if the moon had just been shot from the sky, not at those who really would be affected by the shutdown.

Still, what has happened has happened. There are no immediate ill effects, anyway. Taking a breath and having a moment of levity doesn't seem like a horrible thing to me. What is the alternative, run around pulling our hair out?

I'm sorry you'll face some difficulties if this isn't resolved soon. Believe me, I can relate - I've gone through four years and counting of worse.

If you don't mind, I would like to know what position you hold.

[Llewlladdwr]

72. I'm in information technology.

I hope you'll forgive me for not being more specific, but that's the gist of what I do for the DoD. I currently support several training and business intelligence/decision support systems. And yes, it's not the end of the world but it's still an unpleasant and frustrating thing to deal with. Especially since the whole shutdown is so unnecessary.

[CreekDog]

83. I see you're telling him that an immediate layoff isn't an immediate ill effect

you must mean on you --the only person that matters, to you.

[TexasTowelie]

36. Although it is a different issue than the debt ceiling,

I wouldn't be surprised if the credit rating agencies puts the US debt into a negative watch status if not completely lower the rating itself. Lenders are going to be reluctant to loan the US money when the basic function of having a budget is not fulfilled.

[geek tragedy]

38. Your lack of compassion for those who depend on a

functioning government and paycheck, along with your dishonest use of 'compromise' to describe what the Republicans are seeking pretty much confirms that you are not and have never been a partisan Democrat but rather a Republican troll.

"Nobody is getting hurt."

"Nobody is going without."

"Some delay may be part of that compromise."

If you can't take the Democrats' side against the Republicans on this, you are not a Democrat, or a liberal, or even educated.

[CreekDog]

14. are the furloughed, unpaid workers just actors to you?

you just don't care.

except about yourself.

[geek tragedy]

17. That's how team libertarian rolls. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. +1

[Llewlladdwr]

16. It's not as entertaining when you're one of the redshirts.

But I'm happy our misfortune tranfixes you. At least we have that to comfort us.

[CreekDog]

18. i never agree with you but you are 100% right about the situation

and the OP.

[Llewlladdwr]

27. At least we have that then, eh?

Thanks CreekDog.

[CreekDog]

87. Yes, I would never tell you that because your hardship isn't my own, that yours is minor

I hope this gets resolved quickly for the benefit of all involved including those least able to weather it.

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29. Who are the redshirts? How are you being hurt by this?

[Cali_Democrat]

19. So how will certain families get money if there are furloughs?

In your OP, it's clear you are laughing. Ya, some perspective you got.

This is what you and your ilk wanted and now you're laughing.

Of course, I expected this from you

You don't fool me, but I'm sure you already knew that.

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21. We're still here. Nobody died. Stop the drama for a sec and take a breath.

That's all I'm saying.

[Cali_Democrat]

25. You exposed yourself

and for that I thank you.

[ProSense]

26. No, you need to stop the RW callous act.

Just sayin!!!

[geek tragedy]

49. Not an act, it 's 100% authentic. nt

[geek tragedy]

41. You're spouting Republican talking points

nonstop. Either you're consciously trolling or you're not smart enough to know that saying a government shutdown doesn't hurt anyone is something only a libertarian sociopath would say.

[ProSense]

8. Yeah, and cutting $39 billion from food stamps

is a riot!

Pay, who the hell needs it?

Ugh!

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34. Does the shutdown do that? n/t

[ProSense]

51. Why? Would it make you laugh? n/t

[CreekDog]

10. laugh at the govt shutdown, like you care

[geek tragedy]

15. Hey, it's just a slowdown, just don't get mad at Republicans whatever

you do.

[Whisp]

23. cold.

[gordianot]

31. Gonna find out how crazy the crazy's really are.

[VanillaRhapsody]

39. its a Paulite

go figure.. . Bet he laughs at plane crashes too..

[geek tragedy]

42. Skip got outraged over the IRS story but laughs

off the government shutting down.

Obvious.

[Cali_Democrat]

48. Obvious Republican is obvious. n/t

[geek tragedy]

50. He has been since 2008. nt

[Rex]

53. Is he still one?

[VanillaRhapsody]

64. are they ever recovered?

[Rex]

70. I don't think so.

'I want my check, but fuck you for wanting your check' is kinda what it boils down to imo.

Or banana monkey waffles.

[Ohio Joe]

44. A shame... I alone thought this was disgusting

At Mon Sep 30, 2013, 09:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Is everybody alright?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023756389

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Hide this teabagging trollery . He takes his chances tonight.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Sep 30, 2013, 09:40 PM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: I know a lot of people, including family members that are losing their jobs. No, they are not alright and this is in no way amusing. Hide. Ohio Joe
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I'm glad you are not feeling any of the pain the repugs are inflicting but I think it's shameful you feel the need to make a joke about those who are going to feel the pain for standing up to them.

[hrmjustin]

46. I wish I was as brave as you in signing your verdicts. I was not on the jury.

[joshcryer]

55. Nasty manipulative alert.

You saw through the alert language Ohio Joe, which was intended to make the jury ignore the alerter. Please alert on the alerter if you can.

(Note: I think the OP should've been alerted but calling them a teabagger is over the top, the alerter should've just said it wasn't very classy to joke about 750k people losing their jobs overnight.)

[Ohio Joe]

62. Admins review all alerts now

To tell the truth, I did not read the alert message, I normally do not but rather go straight to the post and judge based on that. I sometimes go back and read what was said but this time I did not because the post kind of pissed me off on it's own.

I expect Admins will be watching closely tonight on a lot of alerts and responses since this is going to be an active night for both under the new system.

[joshcryer]

66. Ahh, that's right.

I remember this coming up when we came to DU3 though that people could make up crappy alerts (insulting the jury, the posters, etc) on borderline stuff and it would be voted down for that reason. I think that's one reason the admins have started reviewing all alerts.

I just know if you are insulting in your alert juries will nullify.

[hrmjustin]

67. I love the new 6-0 rule with Mirt. Our mail boxes are not so bad anymore.

[Ohio Joe]

71. I love the new system

Lots less to do and keeps us focused on new troll sign ups. I'm all for letting the Admins deal with everyone else

[Skip Intro]

68. Well, I guess it wasn't very classy. I'm going to lock it.

I still think everyone should chill out, but if people would rather run around their homes pulling their hair out, so be it.

[joshcryer]

69. Thank you.

It was really hurtful.

[Electric Monk]

73. How long does that take? It's just one click. Or are you waiting for something?

Skip Intro (18,482 posts)

Is everybody alright? [View all]
Rofl. Oh, come on.

The world isn't coming to an end. Relax. Everything will be alright.

[Ohio Joe]

82. Thank you - nt

[Cha]

81. Good for you, Ohio Joe.. the jury was stacked with those

who don't give a shit that someone's laughing at those who got furloughed.

[NutmegYankee]

52. Hundreds of thousands get pink slips tomorrow - Not funny at all.

Your post is disgusting.

[geek tragedy]

54. He also thinks the Democrats should 'compromise' by agreeing to delay

Obamacare. Not surprising to see this one trolling this hard.

[Skip Intro]

61. That's a total lie.

You really are like that, eh?

[geek tragedy]

63. No, what is a lie is your claim that delaying Obamacare

in response to Republican terrorism/extortion is a 'compromise'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3756553

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65. Another lie. n/t

[geek tragedy]

74. You wrote this:

I think there will be some compromise that allows both sides to save face.

I don't think the ACA will be defunded. I doubt it will be delayed any longer than it takes to work out that compromise, though a small delay might end up being part of that compromise.

The Republicans agreeing to not shut down the government is not a compromise. It is not a concession. It is their fucking job. Doing their fucking job is not a compromise.

[CreekDog]

75. No, another truth, you said it in my thread

Skip Intro (18,482 posts)
64. Can I know what it is going to cost me first?

Like maybe see the exchanges and then decide if a delay is warranted?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3755877

[Rex]

76. SO I guess you've missed out on the DUers posting that they are losing their jobs?

Just Disneyland for everyone?

[bananas]

77. Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

10:17 PM
Automated Message
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
At Mon Sep 30, 2013, 10:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Another lie. n/t
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3756807

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Proof is in the link provided yet this poster continues to tell other DUers that they lie?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Sep 30, 2013, 10:17 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: If saying someone lied is hidable, a LOT of posts would get hidden.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: insensitive op, but looks to me like the poster is being baited by others putting words in his mouth
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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85. Jury doesn't hide truth. n/t

[grantcart]

56. My business just came to a complete standstill.

Took me two months to get it started after the Sequester.


Three months without income. That's a big time hit for me.



I still don't want them to compromise.

[hrmjustin]

59. So sorry to hear this.

[Cha]

84. Oh grant.. wow. I just hope something can be done about the homegrown

terrorists!

[defacto7]

57. I think the point now is

that people tonight, here, right now, will get hurt because of what MAY happen. The problem is serious for many... but not at this point in time.

I think those who could get seriously hurt by the shutdown need to wait till the "thing" actually happens. The possibility that the government will be back in motion even tomorrow or in another day is still there.

Worry about what MAY happen can do serious hurt now. Please just wait and see. Don't have a heart attack because of what could happen... and maybe won't.

Then again, if you're a type 1 person and need to scream it out... do it.

[Skip Intro]

79. Closing this thread. A message to all who replied:

I posted this minutes after the govt shutdown for a couple of reasons. One, because what is done is done - what happened, happened. You can run around and pull your hair out or you can take a breath and chill out and accept reality. I tried to provide a bit of levity in a dig at those drama kings/queens who'd rather go into theatrics and act as if the moon had been blown from the sky. The joke was aimed toward them, not the people who would be hurt by the shutdown. Maybe that should have been less subtle.

From the perspective of a political observer, which many of us are I believe, this is wild political theater. Recognizing that doesn't equal having joy that people could be hurt needlessly.

It really is hard for me to fathom that this was all too much for most of the DUers who replied to grasp.

I still think it is better to chill and think than go into wild panic.

Below is the original OP, posted at 12:06:
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Is everybody alright?

Rofl. Oh, come on.

The world isn't coming to an end. Relax. Everything will be alright.

[Rex]

86. Well isn't that special.

nt.

[Skip Intro]

88. Very substantive remark.