Holy Crap !!! - Andrew Sullivan Is MUST READ Today !!!

[WillyT]

The Nullification Party
Andrew Sullivan - TheDish
Oct 1 2013 @ 11:37am

But there is something more here. How does one party that has lost two presidential elections and a Supreme Court case – as well as two Senate elections - think it has the right to shut down the entire government and destroy the full faith and credit of the United States Treasury to get its way on universal healthcare now? I see no quid pro quo even. Just pure blackmail, resting on understandable and predictable public concern whenever a major reform is enacted. But what has to be resisted is any idea that this is government or politics as usual. It is an attack on the governance and the constitutional order of the United States.

When ideologies become as calcified, as cocooned and as extremist as those galvanizing the GOP, the American system of government cannot work. But I fear this nullification of the last two elections is a deliberate attempt to ensure that the American system of government as we have known it cannot work. It cannot, must not work, in the mindset of these radicals, because they simply do not accept the legitimacy of a President and Congress of the opposing party. The GOP does not regard the president as merely wrong – but as illegitimate. Not misguided – illegitimate. This is not about ending Obamacare as such (although that is a preliminary scalp); it is about nullifying this presidency, the way the GOP attempted to nullify the last Democratic presidency by impeachment.

Except this time, of course, we cannot deny that race too is an added factor to the fathomless sense of entitlement felt among the GOP far right. You saw it in birtherism; in the Southern GOP’s constant outrageous claims of Obama’s alleged treason and alliance with Islamist enemies; in providing zero votes for a stimulus that was the only thing that prevented a global depression of far worse proportions; in the endless race-baiting from Fox News and the talk radio right. And in this racially-charged atmosphere, providing access to private healthcare insurance to the working poor is obviously the point of no return.

And...

I regard this development as one of the more insidious and anti-constitutional acts of racist vandalism against the American republic in my adult lifetime. Those who keep talking as if there are two sides to this, when there are not, are as much a part of the vandalism as Ted Cruz. Obama has played punctiliously by the constitutional rules – two elections, one court case – while the GOP has decided that the rules are for dummies and suckers, and throws over the board game as soon as it looks as if it is going to lose by the rules as they have always applied.

The president must therefore hold absolutely firm. This time, there can be no compromise because the GOP isn’t offering any. They’re offering the kind of constitutional surrender that would effectively end any routine operation of the American government. If we cave to their madness, we may unravel our system of government, something one might have thought conservatives would have opposed. Except these people are not conservatives. They’re vandals.

This time, the elephant must go down. And if possible, it must be so wounded it does not get up for a long time to come.

More: http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/01/the-nullification-party/

[geek tragedy]

1. They overreached, and they need to pull back bloody stumps nt

[kestrel91316]

30. [phone]

[pscot]

2. They started this under Clinton

Then when Al won, they stole the election. If we let them get away with this, we're submitting to one party rule. End of Democracy.

[tblue]

128. ^^^This^^^ nt

[Old and In the Way]

130. They want a One Party State

Business friendly with no political checks. Sort of like the "People's" Communist Party of China.

[roamer65]

3. I think their goal is to provoke a constitutional crisis.

They are trying to destroy the republic.

[factsarenotfair]

5. I think so, too.

[mnhtnbb]

15. I agree. They want theocratic fascist rule devoted to an oligarchic corporatocracy

[kestrel91316]

32. You've been paying attention.........+1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000

[heaven05]

34. wow! So true

[roamer65]

49. Remarkably similar to Nazi Germany, eh?

I have always read the degradation product of democracy is fascism. We may just find out.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

100. We're not allowed to use Nazi comparisons, even it they're true.

You have to wait at least until Kristallnacht USA. Of course, then it will be too late, but, whatevs, right?

[ieoeja]

121. Exactly. And terribly, terribly chilling.

The first time I saw video of a town hall meeting in 2009 where some shrieking woman started shouting out the Pledge of Allegiance, and you could see the congress man reluctantly join in (even though they had already said the pledge at the start of the meeting), I got goose bumps. It reminded me frighteningly of this:

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And that was only one of many times that year and since that I have experienced that. Tea Bagger rallies are strikingly similar to early NAZI rallies.

[2naSalit]

51. I find it near to impossible

to disagree with that summation!

[mnhtnbb]

52. A lot of big words. Maybe that's the problem. Any student of history, though

is able to define what they want.

[pangaia]

64. Big words..to teabaggers... :>)

[pangaia]

62. Yup.

Looks like if it happens fascism may not come to the us 'draped in a flag and carrying a cross,' but.... well,the perfect storm of the people who REALLY run the world , plus people who do really hate the idea of government, and taking care of people...plus those other little tidbits who have no idea they are being used...which maybe INCLUDES those cross carrying flag wavers..

You're much more up on this than I am so that's just my 3 cents(inflation, ya know)

[WillyT]

70. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

Exactly !!!

The Nazis were just soooooo... misunderstood.

[yuiyoshida]

18. agree

eom.

[Rebl]

72. Why

Isn't this considered treason?

[MANative]

119. +1,000,000,000,000,000

May I be there when they apply the penalty? Please!?

[Enthusiast]

107. Then the South can rise again.

[AlbertCat]

120. Then the South can rise again.

Even tho AK, AZ, OK, ND, SD, NJ, MI, etc etc.... are not in the South.


It's not a "southern" problem anymore. Pay attention.

[Tumbulu]

4. it must not come up ever again!

great writing!

[Dawson Leery]

6. The last sentence is most important

"This time, the elephant must go down. And if possible, it must be so wounded it does not get up for a long time to come."
It must be wounded as badly as possible.

[rhett o rick]

7. k&r thanks for posting. nm

[WillyT]

73. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

[Warren DeMontague]

8. The GOP is like a chronic alcoholic.

They can't help themselves, even though they know they're making a terrible mistake. Again.

[thecrow]

9. I recently read a rightwing post

that was talking about climate change (against it, of course) and he referred to
"their facts" meaning all the scientifically gathered data.
Then I realized how tightly they shut the door on reality. I guess they have their own "facts" now. It also included something about Noah's flood and palm trees in Alaska as having to do with the geological age of the Earth.
I agree that the elephant must go down.

[Hydra]

10. They left the realm of reality decades ago

The problem is that they dragged us with them.

Who ever thought Greed would be God again?

[NewJeffCT]

36. What I find really funny on climate change

is that just about once a year now, somebody puts out a bogus climate change site that looks real and claims to debunk global warming/climate change. Then, like lemmings, Rush will talk up this site, then all the other RW radio hosts will talk about it, Fox News will talk about it, etc. Then, the site owner will reveal himself and say he was pulling the wool over the eyes of Rush, et al. And, it will quietly be dropped, until the next time climate change comes up in the news...(though, once I think Rush actually apologized to his listeners for being fooled)

[gtar100]

65. Yes, they do have their own set of facts. Courtesy of the Heritage Foundation,

the John Birch Society, and all the other right-wing think tanks that somehow find it acceptable to make up shit up in their pursuit of power. And now their nonsense has been spread far and wide thanks to conservative media. They then turn this over on us as if we have done the same.

Personally, I'm so fucking sick of them, they aren't worthy of any respect. They are not the voice of an alternative way of life, they are the excrement of human existence and whatever they get themselves involved in, they poison.

[abelenkpe]

12. Elephant go down?

And not get back up for a long time to come?

Please please please let that happen...

[countmyvote4real]

13. Tell it!

Spot on.

[mnhtnbb]

14. Boy, I sure hope they are so wounded they don't get up ever again.

[YOHABLO]

101. I Wish Molly was still around.. would love to hear her take on all this .. we miss you Molly.

[mnhtnbb]

103. Yes. I miss her all the time. Can you imagine how she'd skewer Cruz?

[Enthusiast]

108. We sure do miss her.

That was back when you could find some real mainstream journalism. That has been tamped down quite a bit since Molly.

[polichick]

16. Well said. k&r

[dem in texas]

17. Great Writing by Andrew Sullivan

I totally agree. I too am concerned that we are headed for a constitutional crisis. ACA is the law, voted by congress, and it has withstood a legal challenge that went to the Supreme Court. The republicans have one way to change and that is through the votes in Congress. They have tried and it did not work. So they must live with until they get enough votes to change it. Harry Reid and Obama must stand strong and not let them get away with this or it will mean the end of our way of governing our country.

[Blue Idaho]

19. Hammer them up - Burn them down.

Any form of extremism is dangerous - extremism controlled by the richest 1% is treasonous. America would be better off without the GOP.

[gopiscrap]

20. Excellent read

[mehrrh]

21. Andrew is so very correct

Sullivan is right. He spells it out pretty clearly.
He has always been one I listen to even when at times when I don't agree because he is reasonable and logical.
In this case, he is entirely correct.
I, too, hope that the GOP is taken down and is unable to rise again for a long time. We need a break. The middle class Americans need a break. The country needs a break.
The GOP offers destruction.

[malaise]

22. Great read

Fuck all ReTHUGs

[Peacetrain]

23. I wish I could rec this twice

Thank you for posting it!!

[WillyT]

139. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

[Scuba]

24. Excellent. Thanks WillyT.

[WillyT]

74. Anytime... Scuba !!!

[closeupready]

25. Hot damn! That really IS a wow-ser. K&R

And I do not like him at all.

[joeybee12]

26. Phuck Andrew "Matthew Shephard Brought It on Himself" Sullivan...

Stop linking to this worthless POS please...thank you.

[UTUSN]

28. agree. he certainly was dazzled by shrub. nt

[joeybee12]

48. All simple minds were...nt

[Behind the Aegis]

38. I see we are in aggreement again about ole' ML.

[joeybee12]

41. Yup, I wish some of these straight people hwer would stop worshipping

him because he's sort of changed his tune...on SOME things. He still has much more sh should be brought tothe woodshed for...wait, he might like that!

[QC]

46. He thought the sun rose and set in George W's asshole.

Not even Karl Rove himself was half so devoted to Shrub.

I'll never forget Sully calling liberals a "fifth column" in the days after 9/11...or when he accused other gays of "libidinal pathology" while secretly trolling barebackcity.com, and so on.

Not a fan of Sully here.

[joeybee12]

47. He never really apologized...never will, the POS...nt

[7962]

114. Ever since his absolutely disgusting Sarah Palin obsession, I ignore his self-serving bullshit.

The man is disgusting. A stopped clock is right twice a day. Its like posting an article by a child molester that points out Todd Akin is an idiot. I wont associate myself with scum just because they might agree with me on some things.

And I'm glad to see some folks here on DU who have a helluva lot more posts than I do think the same thing.

[Kingofalldems]

144. Sara Palin obsession?

What are you talking about?

[MNBrewer]

54. Andrew Sullivan: the Stopped-Watch Pundit.

And yes, FK him.

[joeybee12]

56. I've never read anything original by him...he really just parrots others...

Most of them do, however, he's more of a hypocrite about it.

[WillyT]

76. Well Damn joeybee12... Maybe He's "Evolved"... The Current President Was Lauded For Doing So...

[cui bono]

27. Well said. Thanks for posting that. n/t

[hibbing]

29. Why do we always have to be the ones compromising

Hey,
I recall when Reagan won the Democrats went along with a lot of his agenda and of course his tax cuts for the rich. Same with the idiot son. Clinton won, if I recall correctly not one Republican voted for his tax plan. Now we won twice and he can't get anything done. I'm feeling really pessimistic that this will have any influence like it did the last time with all the gerrymandering that has been established. Blah!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace

[heaven05]

31. thank you for some truth

especially on the race/birtherism/islamism issue. Amerikkka has never looked worse as a so-called democracy. How this plays out will prove once and for all what this country stands for. Entitled and privileged people with their followers(47%) or the rest of us americans hoping for some sanity from these RW clowns who are running this country into the ground. geez

[hue]

33. Totally calling it as it is!! Excellent view!! K&R!!

[JHB]

35. Excellent, but please don't forget...

...Sullivan was one of "Those who keep talking as if there are two sides to this, when there are not" for a very long time, until relatively recently when his own ox was gored.

But you'll rarely find him acknowledging the inconvenient fact that he was one of the Igors who assisted building the Frankenstein's monster.

[WillyT]

75. That's Why I Said It Was A MUST READ... "Today"...

[grahamhgreen]

37. Agree.

[russspeakeasy]

39. rec, rec, rec...thanks for posting this.

[Octafish]

40. ''The elephant must go down.''

[Cheap_Trick]

42. No

The elephant must be wounded so grievously that it never gets up again. Ever. Euthanize the motherfucker.

[RiffRandell]

43. Huge K&R!

Thanks, WillyT!

[WillyT]

77. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

[Hutzpa]

44. The best part is this

This time, the elephant must go down. And if possible, it must be so wounded it does not get up for a long time to come.

[Maineman]

45. Consider who benefits from government dysfunction and paralysis.

Energy and other corporations that pollute the planet - water, air, etc. (lack of EPA function and resources).
Megabanks (few and weakly funded regulators).
Tax cheats (understaffed and discredited IRS).
Food corporations that sell engineered crud that looks like food. (Weak, underfunded FDA).
Profiteering pharmaceutical corporations. (Weak, underfunded FDA owned and manipulated by those they should regulate.)
Fat cats like the Koch brothers who would like to conquer the U.S. government.
etc.
etc.

[Enthusiast]

109. Excellent points.

In other words, follow the money.

[Old and In the Way]

129. Welcome onboard!

Exactly correct. When Reagan booted the DoE out of the cabinet and took those solar panels down, he (and, really, Bush) were telling the Sauds, "we're open for business". And Big Oil got the US Taxpayer funded Big Military to provide the geographic muscle to ptotect this business interest.

I wonder how far we could have gotten, as a country, if we had, instead, invested $4TT in renewable, decentralized, labor intensive energy? (see 30 year US military budget and energy cost ecalations)

[Amonester]

147. If the global economy goes down a lot worse than five years ago...

most corporations won't benefit but crumble (a lot LESS customers = bankrupcy for many, having big *short-term* bank debts too).

[florida08]

50. the man can write. Always liked his passion

but the gop needs to change their mascot. They don't have the honor of an elephant

[Mopar151]

60. I would vote for the rhinoceros

An evolutionary dead-end, stupid and short-sighted.

[tblue37]

136. And mean and dangerous as hell. nt

[Iliyah]

53. K & R

The elephant must go down and keep it medicated as well.

[TxDemChem]

55. He killed it!!!!

Ripped those bastards a new one by just telling it like it is.

[SunSeeker]

57. I love this! These are my thoughts exactly...but eloquently stated. nt

[duffyduff]

58. I suspect the Kochs are behind much of this.

I say charge them with sedition and jail the whole damned bunch.

[Uncle Joe]

59. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, WillyT.

[WillyT]

79. Anytime... Uncle Joe, Anytime...

[Uncle Joe]

83. ...

I'm with you, WillyT.

[workinclasszero]

61. How will this country survive when the media refuses to do its job?

They insist on the total BS of saying that the democrats are as much to blame for this shutdown as the republicans!

This is a constitutional crisis of the highest order as far as I'm concerned. I mean hell, Al quida and the republicans have the exact same goals!

Shut down the US government and destroy this country! We've spent billions, if not trillions to fight and protect ourselves from radical Islamist terror and yet a tiny minority party within the repig party threatens to bring down, not only the US economy but the entire worlds economy when the debt ceiling comes up. You know those teabag bastards are going to use the same tactics with that right?

Is the whole world just going to sit back and watch as the koch bros and their teabag minions destroy the whole ball of wax?

[mountain grammy]

93. Agree. When Jon Stewart is yelling at the reporters from

the mainstream media (i.e. not fox news) who are giving 2 sides to a one sided story, I'm screaming with him. The corporate media refuses to do it's job and report facts in an honest, straightforward manner.
They licked Reagan's boots on the "government is the problem" crap and it's been downhill ever since.

[4dsc]

63. We have ourselves to blame for not winning in 2010

2010 was the year the democratic party sat out the local and state elections that allowed republicans to gerrymander congressional districts. The GOP can shoot themselves in the foot a million times and it matter one bit. They have control of their House majority and its not going away anytime soon.

I hope this becomes a rallying cry in the coming local and state elections.

[Bluenorthwest]

115. 2010 the year the West Coast had rocking turnout and elected tons of Democrats

while about 65 districts in about 25 States in other parts of the country failed to reelect their Democrats and instead went Republican. The vast majority of those districts had 'Democrats' who were 'Moderate Blue Dogs' ie virtual Republicans and they lost to authentic Republicans. A fraction of the nation fell for this shit. My State had record breaking turn out. Record breaking. This causes a huge problem for your theory that 'the democratic party sat out the elections'. Record high turnouts in huge parts of the country, the entire West Coast did great. I assume your State failed to elect Democrats, so you are wheezing and looking to cast blame outside your own locality. I can understand that need.

[reddread]

135. +1 who says hindsight is 20/20

diffusion and finger pointing, liberal bashing.
A regular talking point in full bloom.
This is today's crisis.
do something now.

[red dog 1]

66. "These people are not conservatives. They're vandals."?

I disagree with Andrew Sullivan.

IMO, these people are not conservatives, they're terrorists!

[LibGranny]

67. +1

[red dog 1]

68. K&R...Thanks for posting, WillyT.

[WillyT]

80. Anytime...

[ancianita]

69. Good words from a self-proclaimed conservative. But will he vote Democratic in 2014.

[WillyT]

71. Who Knows...He Didn't In 2012 ???

Andrew Sullivan: Mitt Romney ‘Like an Alien That Ripped Off His Mask’ at Debates

Link: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/andrew-sullivan-mitt-romney-like-an-alien-that-ripped-off-his-mask-at-debates/

[vaberella]

78. If memory serves me. Andrew Sullivan is an Obama supporter.

Although he does have harsh words for Obama at times and is a self-declared conservative or Libertarian last I heard.

[WillyT]

81. Thank You !!!

[Hamlette]

94. he is a "conservative" but left the GOP 10 years ago.

Torture did it for him. He was livid. He voted for Kerry. I think he is smart, articulate and pissed at the GOP. He's been on fire for several years. Many people here on DU are critical of him for a couple of reasons (Iraq war being the biggest) so I'm glad to see so many recommends for this. I read him everyday.

[Enthusiast]

110. Torture should have been the line in the sand for everyone.

The fact that it wasn't and the fact that it has gone unpunished illustrates that we have already lost the media and with it the democracy.

The President didn't have the LEGITIMATE option of looking forward without a Presidential pardon. We couldn't have a pardon when there was no conviction.

This looking forward started a precedent for excusing criminal behavior by the wealthy and well connected like the fraudster banks and war profiteers.

[Bluenorthwest]

113. Sullivan is today's broken clock. He is a man who heavily promoted GW Bush, Dick Cheney

and the invasion of Iraq. Sullivan attacked those of us who opposed that war in vicious and endless rants in which he claimed 'liberals' were wrong, wrong, wrong not to back Bush, he said we had 'Vietnam Derangement Syndrome' and as a non citizen, he accused millions of Americans of treasonous behavior and all for the sake of Bushco Wars of Aggression.
He later said 'whoops, sorry about that' but he has never attempted to make amends for his filthy attacks on those who did not believe the Yellow Cake Crew. He has much apology left unmade.

[Enthusiast]

117. It doesn't matter.

What he said in the article under discussion is right on the money.

Millions of people now recognize they were hood winked on Iraq. Hey, who would expect the government to lie about weapons of mass destruction? But lie they did. And they should still be in prison, from Codi Rice to Rumsfeld they should be looking out between the bars.

I knew the Bushies were lying. I knew after they stole the election they might do anything. Hell, after Iran-Contra the entire nation should have recognized that no Bush was to be trusted. But in an environment where every word in the media is under close scrutiny and constant manipulation that ain't happening.

[Hamlette]

123. no, sullivan was angry that we tortured

that's why he left the party, not that it went unpunished. two different things.

we're all disappointed it went unpunished but It was more important to me, at the time, that we get out of the near depression we were in when Obama took office. I'm willing to forgive him for that.

the precedent for excusing criminal behavior by the wealthy and well connected goes back way before Obama. It's an age old problem.

[Enthusiast]

124. It might be an age old problem

but we have excused lawlessness on a scale never before seen since the President took office. Hell, you have Holder telling us even though the banks have engaged in fraudulent activity we can't prosecute them because it might damage the economy. That is a crock of shit. The Administration is a big part of the problem.

[nsd]

91. Sullivan endorsed Kerry in 2004 and Obama in 2008 and 2012.

He's a self-described conservative but what he means by the term is very different than what today's GOP means.

He can't vote because he's not yet a US citizen. (For years his HIV-positive status barred him from even getting a green card.) But given how much he's come to loathe congressional Republicans -- today's posts are pretty much the same in tone as what he's been writing since Obama took office -- I can't imagine he'd favor them in 2014.

[ancianita]

97. Fair points.

[Raffi Ella]

82. Excellent commentary.

They're traitors: They should be brought up on charges of Treason.

[red dog 1]

138. + 1000

They are traitors, and extortionists and terrorists too.

[Raffi Ella]

145. hell yes, they are!

John Stewart need to make a song outta that sentence.

[pacalo]

84. Excellent!

[NastyRiffraff]

85. Rare that I agree with Sullivan..

but give the devil his due. He's absolutely, 100% spot on here.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

86. Thanks for posting this, WillyT

Whatever Sullivan has said or done in the past, THIS piece deserves to be read far and wide.

K&R

[WillyT]

140. Agreed !!!

[lunasun]

87. This time, the elephant must go down

getting closer to the end of this nightmare I hope
I for one will be happy to hear the thud when it drops hard & forever and GOP supporters scatter like the cockroaches they are

[zentrum]

88. The impeachment of Clinton

...was also an attempt at nullification.

We have a traitorous party deeply woven into the fabric of America.

[blkmusclmachine]

89. Agree. Hope the DC DEMS do, too ...

We shall see.

[Lifelong Protester]

90. Cut 'em loose

This is the best part:

This time, the elephant must go down. And if possible, it must be so wounded it does not get up for a long time to come.


(And all you red state liberals, come on up, we need you here. Let the rest go...)

[colsohlibgal]

92. The Apocalypse Must be Near!

Actually I believe he was on with Bill Maher recently and he astonished me - he use to infuriate me and now I guess he's figured some things out and also - the radical republican right is a rabid bunch of lunatics.

For some time, republicans like Bruce Bartlett have seen what's going on, I guess it's so blatant more and more old style moderate republicans are turned way off.

The new batch, the tea party types, are loony bin worthy. I say we give them a place like Montana, they can have no taxes as well as no roads, sewers, firemen, policemen etc - but hey, it's freedom.

[Phlem]

95. This time, the elephant must go down. And if possible, it must be so wounded it does not get up for

it does not get up forever!

-p

[DeSwiss]

96. ''...we cannot deny that race too is an added factor....''

- It's at the very CORE of it all.

K&R

[center][/center]

[WillyT]

141. + 1,000,000,000... Excellent Graphic !!!

Thank you.

[DallasNE]

98. This Goes Back A Long Ways

And is the convergence of Jim Crow and McCarthyism, which were always two side of the same coin although one was controlled by the Democratic Party and the other controlled by the Republican Party. Both were defeated but not crushed so they festered under the surface and with the aid of big money resurfaced with a bang under the banner of the Tea Party. Both were so heinous that nobody thought that they could come back but they were always just under the surface with the affirmative action and other coded oppositional devises that appealed to the worst instincts of the undereducated whites and the ranks swelled as the middle-class shrunk under the weight of successful crushing of labor unions that provided the floor for the middle-class. But there may be help on the way as the millennium generation is strongly pro-union, apparently seeing the writing on the wall as to the causes for wage stagnation while CEO compensation soars along at 20% per year compounded. Think not, just look at the attempts at unions organizing at fast food places -- places where this generation are often overrepresented.

[Laelth]

106. Good post. Thanks. n/t

-Laelth

[Enthusiast]

111. Yes, it's a convergence of Jim Crow and McCarthyism.

They managed to get support for abolishing the Fairness Doctrine. Then they managed to remove regulations that limited media consolidation. This paved the way for this massive misinformation campaign.

[myrna minx]

118. Thanks for posting - excellent points. n/t

[WillyT]

142. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

Excellent Post !!!

[Bette Noir]

99. Brilliant post by Sully.

"Party of Nullification." Absolutely.

I've forgotten which pundit tonight described the Tea Party as "Neo Confederates," but I thought the coinage was perfect.

[avaistheone1]

102. Wow! I appreciate his honesty

[Judi Lynn]

104. Thanks, so much for sharing this. Surprised and impressed seeing it.

He's become far more focused, deeper. He really nails it.

Wonderful.

[WillyT]

143. Agreed !!!

[Laelth]

105. k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t

-Laelth

[outsideworld]

112. K n r

[bread_and_roses]

116. Excellent (n/t)

[certainot]

122. to really end this lunacy americans must realize the tea party is really the talk radio party

this is the result of ignoring the RW radio monopoly for 25 years.

tea party reps are reps from talkradiostan- nothing more. without those 100 blowhards blowing in their sails they have nothing.

if the left/dems don't recognize that they're going to miss an historic op to destroy the GOP- if those 1200 radio stations are going to continue ignored as normal they're going to blame this on some scapegoats and the GOP will continue as normal.

until the left fixes the radio nothing much will improve any time soon.

[Orsino]

125. Sullivan helped build this monster, back when it was killing people more openly.

This is a very good essay, but he is a long way from atonement.

[nolabels]

126. I don't trust any of it

If Harry or the President caves there will be a lot of told you so's. Also if you ever have watched an angry and petulant brat hold their breath till they turn blue you know to be prepared for many conniving tricks to get people to change their minds.

[GeorgiaDemGuy]

127. Not only this - but Dems also won the House in 2012

Won the House?
Yes, one million more people voted for Dems than Gop Reps nationwide.
However, with the insane way that districts have been drawn to favor repubs in most states, that's why they "won" more seats 234-201.

Why our side doesn't bring this up more often puzzles me.

[yesphan]

131. Kick & Rec.

[sagetea]

132. Way to be!!!!

Also, "Mr. President, we don't negotiate with terrorists".

Ho

sage

[MaeScott]

133. KICKED NT

[alfredo]

134. Kick this and put on social media

[Shireling]

137. I agree

Hold our ground.

But these people are crazy and they scare me.

"I'm frightened Auntie Em"

I really am.

[blackspade]

146. +1000

[area51]

148. In what alternate universe

is GingrichCare universal health care? It's not by a long shot.

There is no implied right to health care in GringrichCare.

The nazi party is continuing to pretend to hate the very plan they created at the Heritage foundation and endorsed whole-heartedly by Gingrich.