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[Harmony Blue]

1. The strategy is to have the moderate Republicans break rank

with the Tea Party Republicans.

That will take some time but the pressure will build for the moderate Republicans.

[FSogol]

5. Took 21 days last time. Every single day more people will discover

something they like about the government that is now missing thanks to the repubs. The outcry will grow louder.

[Swede Atlanta]

32. Exactly......

There are Republicans that are in competitive districts or who have not consumed the suicide juice that will only let the games go on so long. At some point they will be looking not only at their political futures when the electorate gets tired of this crap but also whether this really advances their core philosophy that government should be smaller.

This will happen over time. They are already starting to peel off. Boehner boy will eventually realize that he has no choice unless the tea baggers have a video of him doing unspeakables with another man or a goat.

[upaloopa]

2. Why should we blink first? That shows weakness.

There are only about 30 of them in the House. Their own party hates them. Like I said we don't need to help them implode.

[villager]

7. actually, yes -- let's help them implode!

The implodier, the better!

[Shankapotomus]

3. They will

They just want to see if we blink.

[phantom power]

6. The strategy is: (a) don't negotiate and (b) make sure everybody knows who's responsible.

[phantom power]

18. that's why (b) is crucial

if they really do just fucking burn America to the ground, then it's they who will pay the price. It has to end, and they're not ever ever ever ever ever going to stop taking more and more.

[seabeyond]

9. reality is the american people will not allow this shutdown to last long. there is little patience.

repugs know this cannot be for a long period. it is a stage. it is out living a stage play that repugs have created. they are hurting people for no reason cause the shut down will not be allowed to go beyond two weeks very top

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. Welcome to DU

Another (new) voice for compromise!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

11. LolololNice.

[Squinch]

26. Seriously. He seems so concerned!

[Javaman]

12. this will last longer than a week...

in a poll here on DU I voted for at least a month.

that's the time it will take for the mouthbreather to figure out how this is actually hurting them.

then there will be a "face saving" measure that will be nothing but bullshit and bright lights.

however, the repukes will be allowed to run with the ball of propaganda and say they wore down Obama.

[leftynyc]

17. The only reason I disagree

is because the debt ceiling will be met in 16 days. Something will have to happen before then.

[G_j]

20. why do you say that?

not sure why they would care, just more
destruction to the economy, which they love.

[leftynyc]

21. Their corporate masters will

never allow that. This is child's play compared to defaulting on the debt - that will have global implications and hundreds of billions will be lost. I really think that's why they blew their wad on this one.

[SomethingFishy]

13. Because your "idea" makes no sense...

"Obama needs to compromise and agree to not raise the debt ceiling by Cuts 2 NSA to pay for Obamacare"

What does that even mean? The debt ceiling has nothing to do with paying for the ACA. NOTHING.

You want a plan "B"? Here it is. We spend the next year hammering the Republicans. We make ads for every stupid thing they have done and we play them over and over. We show military people suffering because of the shutdown. We beat them into submission until they are sitting in the corner babbling. Then we take the house in 14 and have 2 years of unobstructed leadership.

[LondonReign2]

19. House Dems got more than 1 million more votes in 2012 than

House Repubs. The tide already favors us. We can do little to nothing about gerrymandering, but we can still take districts everywhere but the reddest places.

[pnwmom]

14. The Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street

will make sure they cave. They can't survive without that help, since they're not on the side of the 99%.

[kiranon]

16. Perhaps federal elections cannot be held if government is shut down.

Will the House just cease to exist as a representative body in January 2015 if no agreement is reached? Expect at some point the "moderate" Republicans will help end this debacle. Do not expect the Tea Party Republicans to change.

[Quantess]

22. Plan B is the abortion pill.

Just, ABORT!!! Makes total sense.
I know, right! Just get over it and move on. Great idea.

[krawhitham]

23. Your Concern is Noted

[Zorra]

24. President Obama will issue an Executive Order, and crush the slimy little weasels'

hopes of destroying America.

[Xyzse]

25. Well, some have considered the 14th Amendment.

In regards to that, it would be invoking section 4 which states:

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

So there are ways to go beyond Congress. It isn't used, and I don't feel comfortable about it, but at least there are options.

So, there will always be a Plan B. I don't like the idea of expanding the powers of the Presidency even more but... Republicans are being ridiculous.

[Lil Missy]

27. NO COMPROMISE! A clean bill or nothing.

Let the repukes eat shit.

[egold2604]

28. What you people don't understand, is that Cruz, et. al. are religious fanatics

These religious fanatics want America to be destroyed so they get all the money and army to invade the world to force their form of christianity down the worlds throat. This is a very dangerous movement that very few people know about.

http://morganguyton.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/theology-of-government-shutdown/

On the eve of our government shutdown, I wanted to do some research into the theological roots of Senator Ted Cruz, the standard-bearer of the Tea Party Republicans behind the shutdown. I’m interested in understanding what account of Christianity creates the “no compromise” crusade that the Tea Party has become known for. It turns out that Ted’s father Rafael Cruz [pictured here] is a pastor with Texas charismatic ministry Purifying Fire International who has been campaigning against Obamacare the last several months. He has a distinct theological vision for what America is supposed to look like: Christian dominionism.

[wandy]

29. Every day ACA reregistration remains open the republican position becomes more......

untenable.
Everyday the ACS's momentum becomes stronger. Every day more teapublicans cant get passports or visit parks to gather wood chips.

The clock is ticking, and its in our favor.

[DCBob]

30. They will give in. Plan B is up to the GOP.

[yuiyoshida]

31. If they Destroy this country... Let the History Records show...

That it was Ignorant Republicans who brought down the Great American Empire.

[B Calm]

33. We the people might have a say before it goes too far, after all we are the government!