The cave begins...Obama invites the republicans for a meeting.

[Safetykitten]

And we start...

[hamsterjill]

1. I sure hope not.

But I admit to being concerned like you!

[Katashi_itto]

52. It's very simple. He can't back down. If he does democracy ends that day. It means this is a

viable tactic whenever the Republicans want something.

[hamsterjill]

64. I totally agree with you.

So he cannot back down. He must NOT give an inch. Not one centimeter!

Hold the line, Dems!

[Renew Deal]

2. The bombs are on the way to Damascus

Social Security is chained to CPI
On and on and on

[Kber]

6. Thank you!

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. They'll get their war on, one way or another.

[SidDithers]

27. Nailed it...nt

Sid

[zappaman]

85. SK is going to start WWIII!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

3. Link?

[ProSense]

4. The meeting is about the debt ceiling

which is a separate issue from the shutdown.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023766969

[Safetykitten]

5. Oh...so like they will be in bubbles that will not allow converstaion off topic...got it.

[ProSense]

8. Who suggested that? Boehner is trying to combine the issues.

Except he let the terrorists get the best of him, and now he owns the government shutdown.

Obama doesn't have to deal.

With Traditional GOP Allies Defecting, Big Business Takes Sides With Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023766368

[Safetykitten]

11. Not getting into a circular worship-fest/propaganda message thingy with you.

[ProSense]

18. Well, you apparently had no idea that the two issues were separate

So any discussion would be a waste of time.

[snooper2]

109. So what do you predict the outcome will be?

[intaglio]

123. No, you'll just carry on hating

without evidence or logic.

[AtomicKitten]

141. Yup. nt

[Are_grits_groceries]

56. Really?? About the debt ceiling? Really?

President Obama on Wednesday canceled part of his upcoming trip to Asia and invited congressional leaders to the White House to discuss the budget standoff that has shut down parts of the federal government for the first time in 17 years.

According to a White House official, the top four leaders of both parties from both houses were invited to meet with Obama at 5:30 p.m. Eastern time. The president will urge the House to pass a “clean” continuing resolution — without what Obama has called “ideological demands” such as riders aimed at undermining his signature health-care law — so that the government can reopen.
<snip>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-cancels-part-of-asia-trip-washington-braces-for-prolonged-budget-battle/2013/10/02/e035be98-2b4b-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html

Really??

[ProSense]

67. Yes, really. That

bit you posted was editorializing by WaPo. The next sentence.

Obama also will “call on Congress to act to raise the debt ceiling to pay the bills we have already incurred and avoid devastating consequences on our economy,” the official said.

More, here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023766969

President Barack Obama invited Congressional leaders to the White House to discuss raising the federal debt limit on Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal reported.

[Are_grits_groceries]

91. Well, this is on the WSJ's front page:

WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama invited congressional leaders to the White House for the first high-level meeting since parts of the government closed on Tuesday, creating a potential path to negotiations on government spending and a looming debt limit crisis.

A White House official said Mr. Obama will use the Wednesday meeting, set for 5:30 p.m. EDT, to press leaders to reopen the government and reiterate his position that he won't negotiate with Republicans on the debt limit or under the threat of a continued shutdown.

House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio), House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.), Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) received invitations to the meeting.
<snip>
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304176904579111091033132998.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

It's about BOTH!

[AgingAmerican]

115. The debt ceiling that he says he won't negotiate on?

Obama's Debt Ceiling Red Line: No Deals

[Scuba]

7. Better not, he'd set the Democratic Party back 50 years.

[TDale313]

9. Hopefully not.

Fine with them meeting, but seriously... Not. One. Inch.

[Raven]

10. Good move by Obama. He needs

to continue to appear reasonable and willing to talk. That is not a cave just good sense.

[Safetykitten]

14. Why? Why does he need to even talk to them? What's the worst that can happen?

A government shutdown?

[Lucinda]

23. Because he is the POTUS and serves ALL the people?

And a grownup.

[Tree-Hugger]

43. +1

[mikeysnot]

54. You nailed it...!

[obnoxiousdrunk]

84. +100. n/t

[sharp_stick]

99. Oh my

that put the kibosh on that exchange PDQ didn't it?

Well done.

[duffyduff]

103. You mean Wall Street, neoliberal policymakers, and billionaires?

Everybody OUGHT to be worried about Obama's desire to "reach across the aisle," even when dealing with outright fascists.

I don't think you have a clue just what this is all about.

My fear is that it is kabuki theater bullshit, and social programs benefiting millions will be put on the chopping block.

[AgingAmerican]

119. He wasn't elected to implement GOP policies

nt

[kestrel91316]

126. [phone]

[Adsos Letter]

131. Thank you. n/t

[politicat]

39. A shutdown that extends into November.

Past the debt extension deadline, past the point where most people receiving federal paychecks (employed and contract) have exhausted their savings, past the point when winter sets in here in Colorado and we cannot repair our flood-ravaged roads (you can't lay concrete or asphalt in freezing temps), buildings or irrigation system, past the point where our leaking oil and gas wells contaminate the entire watershed... And on, and on, and on.

I'm not advocating any retreat, but the only way we can wear down this Teahadi Tantrum is to get them at a table. When they're isolated in the House Chambers, they think they're powerful because they're hearing nothing but their own echoes and smelling nothing but their own booze-breath. That notion must be disabused.

[daleanime]

70. The place to change that isn't the conference table....

the first battle line is MSM, and right now the GOp is getting off pretty easy.

[L0oniX]

65. Another CPI sacrificial offer?

[Safetykitten]

75. Possibly.

[Sheepshank]

95. possible not

but of course you'd slant any response to support your unsupported OP

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304176904579111091033132998.html?mod=djemalertNEWS

A White House official said Mr. Obama will use the Wednesday meeting, set for 5:30 p.m. EDT, to press leaders to reopen the government and reiterate his position that he won't negotiate with Republicans on the debt limit or under the threat of a continued shutdown.

[dhill926]

15. + 1.....

[bowens43]

57. If he agrees to anything other then a clkean bill, it's a cave. there is nothing to talk about.

[VanillaRhapsody]

79. you hope so your Obama complainfest can continue right?

Do you see how well Boehner handles them? Now imagine where we would be under a Pres. Romney being bullied by these same morons. Pres Obama is the one thing standing between us and that catastrophe. After watching him for this long deal with them, I defer to his judgement. Also, I believe he quietly talks to Bill and Hillary about these crackpots. Those three are are political team to be reckoned with. So lets just see how this plays out shall we. And i probably have skin in this game....on vacation currently but could be on layoff next week when I return

[Safetykitten]

86. Well yes. I thought that was the point all along. A clean bill, we are moving goalposts again?

[HappyMe]

12. Yes, we should draw conclusions

before the meeting even starts!!1

[Pretzel_Warrior]

13. Right on time with the negativity

He bought a billy club and plans to use it on them, for all you know. Maybe he's inviting them to a private screening of their worst conduct caught on tape as a motivator.

Or may e he's just going to lay out they've got. O cards and it is time to fold.

[Safetykitten]

19. Really? republicans? Shame them? Is that a joke?

[Logical]

16. It is telling that no one here is saying "No way Obama will cave!" nt

Last edited Wed Oct 2, 2013, 02:10 PM - Edit history (1)

[Safetykitten]

21. Yes, we all know how this plays out.

[NCTraveler]

26. You seem to know something I don't.

"Yes, we all know how this plays out."

Lay out this knowledge that you possess. Exactly how will this play out?

[HappyMe]

44. I would imagine the OP consulted this --

http://magic8ballonline.com/8ball/

[AgingAmerican]

122. The past is prologue

We have seen these things before.

[Bryn]

127. Yes, that's what Boehner is doing ...

He invested $50,000 in Keystone XL pipeline. He really, really wants this to pass.

methinks anyway ...

[NCTraveler]

135. This individual said they know how it is going to play out.

Not just that they do, but that we do. Give me some details if it is so obvious.

[LanternWaste]

55. I imagine many people do not put much faith into their own powers of prophecy

I imagine many people do not put much faith into their own powers of prophecy; though a handful still may...

[Pretzel_Warrior]

71. Quite a few have on this and other threads since this stupid one

Besides. OP is perpetually mad at Obama cuz ACA is evil.

[geek tragedy]

20. Our favorite ACA-hating concern troll has returned! From September 2012

SafetyKitten (5,149 posts)

Well Cali, agree, but it will be quite a blow-out. A Carteresque type blowout.
Last edited Sun Sep 2, 2012, 02:10 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

We don't really pay attention to the stuff here that makes or breaks an election:

The economy...it's ok.
The economy...it's improving.
The economy...not such a big deal.

Well, surprise, it is the economy. It is completely the economy. And the reality? It sucks.

As predicted by me and a very few others back in the economic fiasco times after the moron left, Obama did the exact opposite of what he should of done. The banks? Fine. Wall Street? Fine. Any people go to jail? No. So now he is, and will be blamed for what he did, rightly or not, by the very same people he saved. They know that a Romney is in their best interests.

It is not going to be close election. Look for Obama to carry California, Oregon, Washington, DC, Maryland, and Illinois. That's about it. We will know by very early election day that Rmoney will be President. And a shocked WH will wonder why.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021252954#post95

From June of this year:

The nightmare that Obamacare will be and will morph into.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3046135

[Safetykitten]

22. Thanks.

[SidDithers]

32. +1...nt

Sid

[Old and In the Way]

45. Nmmmm poster was wrong about Romney and Obamacare, but I should believe he/she is right about this?

No Sale.

[geek tragedy]

46. Not sure how the OP hasn't been banned yet.

The US in on a steep decline, and we have one President Obama to blame. With him at the helm, our quality of life has deteriorated to the point where we have so many people that have given up, they don't even show up on the unemployment rolls. We have seen a spectacular disintegration of what middle class life is, a collapse of all things that make laws that protect people from corporations, and a marketization of almost every facet of what we do everyday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023471311

Classic Teaparty stuff, nonstop.

[Safetykitten]

59. Yes, as a far left Democrat that I am, you may want to bring that up more.

[geek tragedy]

68. Who just happens to talk exactly like a Tea Partier. nt

[Old and In the Way]

69. Well you certainly don't troll as an ignorant Republican teabagger, that's for sure.

nt

[Safetykitten]

76. Why, thank you. Very nice compliment.

[Tree-Hugger]

117. Whooooosh!

[kestrel91316]

130. You're completely full of s--t. I can say that now. Neener neener neener.

[pnwmom]

132. Yeah, right.

You're so far left you've gone in a circle and ended up with the tea party/libertarians.

[SidDithers]

72. +1...nt

Sid

[zappaman]

90. Great catch!

[maddezmom]

94. OP has now been TS'd

Check the profile

[geek tragedy]

98. emilyg? nt

[maddezmom]

100. No idea

[zappaman]

89. !!!

[MineralMan]

93. Wow. A perfect zero in accuracy.

Another dismal defeat for the "Oh, woe is us!" arm of the Democratic Party, for sure

[geek tragedy]

97. See profile--a troll who voted for McCain in 2008 nt

[MineralMan]

104. Gone where the goblins go, below, below, below.

A fitting end, I believe.

[quinnox]

24. It's a tricky situation for lock steppers

If they say no compromise then they look foolish and out of step if Obama makes a deal, whereas if they say time for a deal of some kind they risk Obama standing firm and once again being out of step.

[Kolesar]

78. the things that you obsess over

embarassing

[Andy823]

112. +1,000,000 nt

[Bobbie Jo]

138. No kidding. nt

[uppityperson]

25. If he meets with GOPers to even chastise them, he is bad? If he does not, he is good? He can't win.

[SidDithers]

28. And the ODS continues...nt

Sid

[geek tragedy]

35. US meets with Japanese Emperor on USS Missouri, caving is inevitable nt

[kestrel91316]

133. [phone]

[Zorra]

29. I'm hoping the republican deathmongers don't budge, and then Obama smacks them down with an EO

an hour later.

It won't happen, but it's a lovely dream.

[bigwillq]

30. What if it's the repubs who are caving?

They should. There should be a clean bill to fund the government. No adding any BS to it. Vote Yes or Vote No and move on. This circus needs to end.

[Safetykitten]

36. In front of Wall Street bankers? You kidding? Even they are not that stupid.

[DonViejo]

73. You writing about these folks:

With Traditional GOP Allies Defecting, Big Business Takes Sides With Obama

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Having failed to persuade their traditional Republican allies in Congress to avert a government shutdown, business leaders fear bigger problems ahead, and they're taking sides with a Democratic president whose health care and regulatory agenda they have vigorously opposed.

President Barack Obama is embracing the business outreach, eager to employ groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and Wall Street CEOs to portray House Republicans as out of touch even with their long-established corporate and financial patrons.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/with-traditional-gop-allies-defecting-big-business-leaders-take-sides-with-obama

or these...

Wall Street to GOP: Are you nuts?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251325887

[Safetykitten]

80. Yes, we all know how Wall Street is loyal to one side. Check the clock for their loyalty of the

minute.

[duffyduff]

107. Actually they own BOTH political parties. n/t

[lostincalifornia]

42. That is a more likely scenario /nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

49. heh.

[spanone]

31. yea, let's shit on the president before he does anything....go for it.

[Are_grits_groceries]

33. Past is prologue.

Hope Obama plays against type in these meetings.

[Beearewhyain]

34. This should be fun

[Andy823]

37. Here we go again.

Why not wait and see what is going to happen before coming out with all the BS doom and gloom crap?

[lostincalifornia]

38. I wouldn't be so sure. This is the President's second term. Why would he destroy his landmark

legislation? It does not make logical sense.

Perhaps a more logical conclusion would be that he wants to make it very clear to them that they need to pass a clean budget bill, and raise the debt limit without any conditions.

[Orrex]

40. Quick! Panic! Before it's too late!

[jberryhill]

60. Lol

[Lex]

41. How do you know it's a cave?

I think he needs to appear willing to talk to them even if he is not giving in.

[Rex]

47. Seriously? Can't we give him more than 3 seconds

before calling it a cave in? Has he caved in on Syria yet? No, how do you know the GOP is not there to cave in?

Let us wait and see before calling it.

[Sheepshank]

48. making up shit again

it gets tiresome, predicting the worst before you even know what the hell is going on.

ETA:

A White House official said Mr. Obama will use the Wednesday meeting, set for 5:30 p.m. EDT, to press leaders to reopen the government and reiterate his position that he won't negotiate with Republicans on the debt limit or under the threat of a continued shutdown.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304176904579111091033132998.html?mod=djemalertNEWS

[Tommy_Carcetti]

50. They aren't repealing the ACA and no way they won't raise the debt ceiling.

So where's the cave?

[Safetykitten]

53. I think the ACA willbe fine...it's the "little" stuff that is a concern. Me as concern troll.

[Kolesar]

88. You just said nothing.

Don't you have old mail to catch up on or something? Leave us alone

[DCBob]

51. Nonsense.. I think the strategy here is to begin to divide the crazies from the not so crazies.

The RW extremists need to be marginalized and taken out of the equation as much as possible. I think the President has a plan on how to do that. Give him a chance before you throw tantrums.

[bowens43]

61. 10 demensional chess again? Looks like spelunking to me.....

[DCBob]

66. It doenst take a chess genius to see what the problem is.

[JHB]

58. Think that just maybe your being a wee premature here?

Just a teeny, tiny bit? Maybe?

Over an invitation? When the key move is to split the Republicans' Politburo-grade Party-Line votes?

[bpj62]

62. Adult in the Room

No Obama is not going to cave and no he is not going to give away the store. As a prior poster stated he will get Boehner away from the crazies on the hill and he will have to answer to McConnell and Reid. He will not have the backup of the crazies. The President is holding the all the cards here. Quite frankly I think he is going to invoke the 14th amendment, pay the bills and let the courts sort it out. by the time it is done we are halfway into 2014 and the midterm campaigning will be in full swing. Some pundits have suggested that the House will then try to impeach Obama for using the 14th amendment. If they do this then they will lose the house for certain and I fully believe that the house is stupid enough to start impeachment proceedings because their hatred for Obama is part of their DNA and they cannot stop themselves. The Tea Party members are zealots, they are true believers and that will also be their downfall. Now I could be completely wrong but I think Obama has finally learned that Lucy is always going to pull the football away.

[kentuck]

63. I don't think so.

Percptions are important.

[cali]

74. premature ejaculation. no it's not a cave.

[Kolesar]

83. Flame bait tradition on a flame bait thread

Keep it rude and graphic!

[kestrel91316]

136. I NEVER agree with you, but I think this is a perfect response to the OP. ROFL

[vdogg]

77. Umm..

So what part of this indicates cave?



"Mr. Obama will use the meeting—the first with congressional leaders since the shutdown began Tuesday—to press leaders to reopen the government and reiterate his position that he won't negotiate on the debt limit or under the threat of a continued shutdown, the official said. "

[zappaman]

81. LOL!

[KansDem]

82. Maybe he'll put them in "time out"

What else do you do with two-year-olds throwing tantrums?

Or maybe he'll make them take naps?

[MineralMan]

87. Yes, the pessimism begins, too, as always.

Feh!

[zappaman]

92. Bye bye troll!

MIR Team (Skinner) banned Safetykitten

Mail Message
Reason:
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[sharp_stick]

101. That one took long enough

but well done in any case.

[Rex]

108. About dam time!

So it is a McCain troll!

Knew something smelled extra foul-rotten.

[geek tragedy]

110. Long overdue. Makes one wonder if they should have a bot feature to cross reference

IP addresses vs past trolls.

[Rex]

111. I hope they have something like that.

These repeat offenders make DU suck. Now what about all these other 'cave' threads...seems to be a theme, wonder how close the IPs are?

[sharp_stick]

96. That was a quick one

I get the distinct vision of the power of a two watt bulb but at least it turns on fast.

[PeteSelman]

102. As cynical as I am about his dealings, it's a bit early for cries of defeat.

He and the party have been uncharacteristically steadfast thusfar. I'm not ready to crush him over this before a word is spoken.

[ProSense]

105. Previously banned anti-Obama troll who voted for McCain in 2008.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=260132&sub=trans

Bye troll!

[HappyMe]

121. Sweet!

Delicious cave pizza.

[SidDithers]

106. Fucking awesome...

Sid

[DarthDem]

113. Concern Troll Goes Back in the Cave

Pretty sure that's the "cave" it was referring to.

[Decaffeinated]

114. Oooohh.. How scary.. conversation.. Much better to stamp your feet and hold your breath...

... like a petulant child.

[Rex]

116. And you're done...

[geek tragedy]

118. Another troll banished back to their Cave nt

[Pretzel_Warrior]

120. Yes! Buh-bye! Lolol

Great news

[kestrel91316]

124. Linky, please, to your evidence of Obama "caving", as opposed to sitting them down

and then coldly telling them to go pound sand?

[Rex]

128. I believe that is exactly what Obama is doing right now

telling the GOP which beaches to go to so they can pound sand all day, while the working class gets healthcare coverage!

[kestrel91316]

125. Oh, the hater troll is dead!!! YAYYYYYY!!!!!!

[Kingofalldems]

129. Tweet from Obama just now:

Take note: @Obamacare is here to stay.

[Arkana]

134. Yes, and troops are on the ground in Libya, the bombs are on their way to Damascus,

and Social Security will cease to exist.

You know, you guys have cried wolf WAAAAAAAY too often.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

137. I miss the unrec button

[URL=http://www.sherv.net/emoticons.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[LadyHawkAZ]

139. GD is looking better by the minute.

Bye-bye. See you next username!

[NYC_SKP]

140. BANNED!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!! BUH BYE!!!!!!

Good riddance!

[AtomicKitten]

143. !!!

[MoonRiver]

146. But WHY isn't this freak's thread locked?

[arthritisR_US]

142. If he doesn't open up dialogue with the children the

President and his party will be crucified by the MSM.

[msanthrope]

144. Posting on your swan song thread makes it easier to find. nt

[DevonRex]

148. Mind if I join you?

I missed this when it happened.

[ieoeja]

145. One of the posters that caused me to walk away from DU for a time.

Obviously, I couldn't stay away. But seeing this flameout makes me happier about that.

[LordGlenconner]

147. Wishful thinking on your part

Glad you have been ridiculed by other posters. It's well deserved.