DU'ers ripped into me yesterday

[Phillyindy]

...because I cautioned that Republicans will pay little to no political price for their reckless actions. You would have thought I was telling a group of 5 year olds there was no Santa Clause.

This was disappointing, but not surprising. Liberals faith in their fellow man and the system is both a wonderful attribute and a fatal flaw. It's why we've been losing for 30 years and have virtually no political power or voice. While the other side sets about to methodically and strategically control the national messaging and utilize their limited power to maximize its effect on policy...we liberals sit around laughing with John Stewart and confidently assuming that eventually the electorate will "catch on".

This is playing out again here at DU and across the liberal blogosphere - this history-defying belief that THIS TIME Republicans have gone too far and surely will pay the price.

As Thomas Friedman wrote about today in the TIMES, regardless of how this shut down plays out, it just isn't going to happen.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/opinion/friedman-our-democracy-is-at-stake.html?emc=eta1&_r=0

[Pretzel_Warrior]

1. That isn't why people ripped into you

But don't let that stop you from making a fool of yourself by referencing the Thomas Friedman.

[Rex]

24. I just hope they enjoy their stay here at DU!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

28. Lol. Yup.

[Phillyindy]

30. No clue what this infers.

[HangOnKids]

41. Let's do the math Philly and look at what this infers

You signed up in 2008 and posted 50 times between then and 90 days ago. That is 5 years away from the board. In the last 90 days you have posted over 6x that much. Much of what you have posted in the past 90 days has been inflammatory. Do you really need this explained to you?

[Rex]

45. It is a real shame he cannot reply to you.

I really DO hope they enjoy their stay.

[HangOnKids]

47. Well Shit Howdy

He asked for an explanation and I tried to give one. So sad that he is locked out. Damn shame.

[Rex]

48. Yeah and someone alerted on my post and lost their alerting rights for a few...

I can guess who it is too...

[Kingofalldems]

54. The ref threw a flag on him.

Go A's.

[HangOnKids]

56. I have a box suite for the 2 home games

A crew of rowdy liberals drinking wine and smoking weed are gonna be banging drums for Oak Town!

[Kingofalldems]

68. Nice.

[FarPoint]

112. Well...maybe there is a good reason

for the 5 year gap...??? Maybe like...he/she was incarcerated?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

52. I think you mean "implies". Easy to mix up.

Just like a person could be posting on website when they really meant to be on another website. Happens all the time.

[DevonRex]

85. I read it since he referenced it. Friedman actually got it exactly right for once.

That poster has no clue what he's talking about.

I cannot believe that the ONLY time in my memory Friedman ever got something right, this guy (who is he anyway) misrepresents what Friedman said. This should be a banner day. This should be a day we all mark on our calendars. He talked about gerrymandering and that's why they won't pay a price seat-wise.

Otherwise, he said Republicans are using blackmail and that democracy is at stake. That Obama and the Senate Dems can't give in.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

93. Yep. Friedman was less wrong than usual

It is easy for me to imagine many of those R seats not being so safe if this drags out and/or they fuck with debt limit and send us to default.

[DevonRex]

111. One of the comments was really good. About Senate seats being more likely to

to go to Democrats in those gerrymandered states because the population is pissed off. But that the Republicans are trying to counter that with voter ID. It was a very smart comment.

Used to be that the House was representative. Not anymore. It's the Senate that checks the decidedly unrepresentative House's power.

[ProSense]

2. What

...because I cautioned that Republicans will pay little to no political price for their reckless actions. You would have thought I was telling a group of 5 year olds there was no Santa Clause.

This was disappointing, but not surprising. Liberals faith in their fellow man and the system is both a wonderful attribute and a fatal flaw. It's why we've been losing for 30 years and have virtually no political power or voice. While the other side sets about to methodically and strategically control the national messaging and utilize their limited power to maximize its effect on policy...we liberals sit around laughing with John Stewart and confidently assuming that eventually the electorate will eventually "catch on".

...exactly is your point?

You're throwing around insults and predictions because people don't buy into your claim that Ted Cruz is brilliant or your being impressed by how Sarah Palin did in the 2008 elections.

[Mass]

3. You are right, but not so much because of what Friedman said, but because

gerrymandering makes the Tea Party districts and most conservative non Tea Party districts fail proof to a moderate challenge and in danger of a Tea Party challenge.

I do not think they should negotiate, but I think most people are too optimistic about the potential gain (Is there really an upside in voting down the NIH budget and depriving cancer patients of care, for example?). I've seen yesterday people saying the blame would go to the GOP, but the GOP is offering a separate funding for this, so who do you think will be blamed.

[Phillyindy]

7. That IS what Friedman...

...said. Not that its any great mystery to people here, but he is laying out how we got here, and although he doesn't say it, why its not going to change.

[meadowlark5]

33. The ones that may pay a political price are the slightly more reasonable ones jumping ship

But I don't care if they do lose their seat. They should have had the nuts to take a stand against the safely gerrymandered republicans. Those 80 repugs who have custom drawn districts for themselves will keep their jobs till *they* decide they don't want them. The other house repubs are not that lucky. They played a hand betting on Ted Cruz and his white posse of tea baggers and it's not working. So the reasonable ones risk losing their jobs - either by a tea baggy primary challenger or maybe a dem can snatch the seat up after this debacle.

This gerrymandering of districts needs to be stopped somehow. It's ridiculous the shape of some of these districts to include white republicans and cut out neighborhoods with people who don't vote republican.

[Phillyindy]

37. Sadly, both sides do it, although...

Repubs to a much more successful degree. That's why the dems don't try to stop it...they're waiting for their turn.

[ProSense]

8. Agree,

"gerrymandering makes the Tea Party districts and most conservative non Tea Party districts fail proof to a moderate challenge and in danger of a Tea Party challenge...I do not think they should negotiate, but I think most people are too optimistic about the potential gain"

...but no one is deluded into thinking that gerrymandered districts that favor teabaggers are up for grabs.

The point is to make Republicans in moderate districts pay. They should be pressured. There are already defections.

[cali]

19. sure, but there are plenty of repubs from moderate districts

that voted with the teahadists.

the odds are that they will pay a political price.

[Phillyindy]

38. Perhaps, but...

They will also be getting massive amounts of election money to offset any backlash.

[PCIntern]

110. Oh yeah...it did Romney and Phil Gramm a lot of good... nt

[JustAnotherGen]

40. Another NY Times Article

They couldn't get to a two thirds majority on Tuesday night. And any Democrats that voted "Nay" I agree with.


On Edit: Adding link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/us/politics/congress-budget-battle.html?_r=0&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1380734349-T6tSekHhFUgT2f9/o51G7w
Obama Summons Congressional Leaders to White House

The Republicans suffered embarrassing losses on Tuesday night when three bills — to finance veterans’ programs, national parks and museums, and services in Washington — failed to get the two-thirds majority required to pass under fast-track procedures.

The list of federal programs being singled out for financing is expanding. Democrats criticized House Republicans on Tuesday for choosing national parks over cancer research at the National Institutes of Health.

The response: a measure to finance the health institutes, too. Congress had already passed legislation to make sure active duty uniformed military forces would continue to be paid. Criticized for leaving out the National Guard and Reserves, Republicans added them to the favored list.

So yes - the GOP is offering separate funding for this. They can pick apart every single part of the C.R. with the exception of the ACA and get it passed. But they are nuts if they think the President is going to sign off on anything that repeals the A.C.A. And they don't have the 67 votes in the Senate to repeal the A.C.A. So For once - the super majority works in our favor.

Again - any Dems that voted "Nay" on keeping National Parks and Museums because the Republicans chose to put that before cancer research were absolutely right - and I support them on that.

I've urged my critter - Leonard Lance to add his name to the list of (as of 6 AM this morning) 17 Republican Members of the House who are ready to pass a C.R. right this minute. My fellow constituents are pissed - and his Facebook page shows it.

[Xyzse]

4. Ok, I'll bite

I must admit that this is a possibility, but we don't need that negativity at the moment.

I understand that with the way the media is, and how they are now currently stretching that part of the blame is on the Democrats. Thing is, that they are striving for "Balance" in a completely imbalanced amount of crapulence.

So yes, it is possible that after the media is done, and how they are able to promote mistruths, that they will suffer little to no political price for this, particularly since people's attention spans have lessened that they don't remember events of a few months.

I understand that they have to be hammered about this all the way to the 2014 elections. Hopefully, barring any other scandal of the week, it should be around for a while.

[Phillyindy]

12. Not trying to be negative...

...trying to warn that we in the middle of a script that's been playing over and over again, and we don't seem to be learning from it.

[Xyzse]

13. Understood.

[blogslut]

5. How many Friedman units do you want us to give you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedman_Unit

Are you sure that's an authentic Friedman Op/Ed?

http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/about.php

[quinnox]

6. Its a possibility, but come on, your OP was pretty "hot"

[Phillyindy]

9. Only to the thin skinned.

[LanternWaste]

55. who then go on to state that counter-opinions are "ripping into them".

"Only to the thin skinned..." who then go on to state that counter-opinions are "ripping into them".

Six of one, half a dozen of the other...

[leftynyc]

62. Thin skinned?

You mean like still bitching the next day about people not proclaiming you the most brilliant poster ever?

[randome]

10. An unpopular opinion delivered at the wrong time. I fail to see any reason to excoriate you.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[Phillyindy]

14. When is a good time for an unpopular opinion? :)

[randome]

23. Never, of course. But there can be a 'better' time. Again, not faulting you, though.

Being upfront about all the information and opinions and viewpoints is usually best.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[Phillyindy]

27. I get your point, but...

...it kinda reminds me of how in the immediate aftermass of a mass shooting its supposedly not a good time to "politicize" it by talking about gun control. I find that its most effective to strike while the irons hot. Of course, I don't gain many friends that way.

[leftstreet]

11. Are you saying there's no Santa Claus?

Excellent observations

Liberals consistently blame voters, then can't understand why it's so easy for the GOP to demonize liberals

DURec

[Phillyindy]

16. Lol, he was bought out by Sears sometime in the 70's. :)

[cali]

15. because your claim is bullshit.

And Friedman? Really? You're using Fucking Friedman to try and make your weak case?

[Phillyindy]

18. Discrediting the facts presented...

...by trashing the author. Maybe you'd be more comfortable over at Human Events or Townhall.

[cali]

26. Maybe you should shove your suggestion that I'd be "comfortable over

at Human Events or Townhall, honeypotpie.

Look, the claim that the repubs won't pay a political price is patently bullshit.

The polls bear this out as does the fact that repubs from moderate "purple" districts voted with the teahadists. Reps like Michael Grimm of Staten Island are going to pay the price.

Maybe, pumpkin, you aren't as all knowing and brilliant as you think you are.

[Phillyindy]

31. My observations...

...are hardly brilliant, pretty obvious actually.

By the way, "honeypot pie", "pumpkin"....are you hitting on me?

[OregonBlue]

49. First you accuse a long-time DUer of being better off at Human Events or Townhall and then

you suggest you're being hit on? Wow, I think you are on the wrong board. Go back to your cave.

[leftynyc]

63. Some friendly advice

You are seriously fucking with the wrong person. Stop digging.

[Rex]

71. Gosh...now where have I seen that from before?

You ever think about changing your shtick?

[cali]

83. No. I'm not hitting on you. I'm calling your claims bullshit.

You seem a bit confused.

[SomethingFishy]

86. What facts? What you posted is an opinion...

Or is it a whining rant that those meanie liberals aren't falling for your bullshit?

And trashing the author? Thomas Friedman is a neo-con idiot. A one dimensional hack whose brilliant treatise on China are about the stupidest things I have ever read. Nice try though.

Here in case you need it for the future:

fact [fakt]
noun
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3.a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4.something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.

[Shivering Jemmy]

17. you are talking about REPUBLICANS as a group.

That's pointless. There are individual Republicans that we can target and pressure.

Apply pressure till those left in blue states start to hurt. That's the key.

It won't impact the great bulk of republicans. But we only need to make a small chunk of that bulk feel the pain.

That requires discipline, and a strategy. Do we have either?

[Puzzledtraveller]

20. They have nothing to lose really so you were right.

They put it all on the line.

[Rex]

22. Enjoy your stay!

[LAGC]

102. "Account status: Flagged for review"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=227825

He won't be responding for awhile, if ever.

[grantcart]

25. Repa losing strategy and everyone knows it

If you stand back and look at the developments over the last year objectively we see that the in the last six Presidential elections the Democrats have won the popular vote 5 times. The one time they lost the popular vote, 2004, the country was in the middle of a 'hot' war and it is very difficult to unseat a commander in chief in those circumstances. Still Bush barely won the popular vote.

After the last election there was a lot of common sense analysis from what might be called the "Jeb Bush" wing of the party that they would have to make changes in strategy, especially in extending outreach to Hispanics if they were to recover.

That lasted about 6 months.

Now we are seeing Rand Paul and Ted Cruz sprint to Iowa in an effort to see who can out crazy the other guy.

Oddly most House Republicans have gone along.

What is the only conclusion that you can draw from this?

At heart the rank and file Republican politician has given up winning the Presidential popular vote. They have also given up winning the electoral college. They have to flip 5 states Obama won and they aren't seriously gaining in any of them. On top of this they will have the extra burden that next time they will not get the extra juice from the racist side of their party because the Democrats won't have an AA on the ticket.

What the Republican House members have opted for is "screw the national party future I will just keep my seat" approach.

As for the "structural problems":

If you want to motivate someone to vote - try and take away their right to vote.

This time there were unprecedented efforts to curb AA voting. Result: Highest AA vote turn out ever, and for the first time ever, higher that the White vote.

All the hundreds of millions spent on the election? Didn't give them even one electoral vote and Karl Rove's millions were seen as a wasted investment.

The main reason that we have lost control of so many states and the House?

Democrats don't vote in off year elections at the same percentages as Republicans.

We are hard working and busy and we have to be a little pissed off to get the turn out that the Republicans get all the time.

Guess what, Boehner is helping to fix that.

And then there is this absolute truth: If Democrats are united then nothing can stop us, we will fight and we will argue but unlike the Republican factions that actually hate and despise each other the disparate Democratic factions generally have respect and like each other.

DU has instinctively picked up on that and right now sees a united party coalescing a common "no negotiation" stand. If you want to pick apart the elements that don't fit the picture you are free to do so but I think you are missing the big picture. You are also going to irritate a lot of people who sense just how united we are.

[Phillyindy]

34. I don't disagree...

...with most of what you said. I said yesterday that repubs have long since abandoned the presidency, they don't need it. They're strategy is to control local judges, courts and governments, and just enough of the federal government to stop progress and keep the agenda of their billionaire puppeteers moving forward.

This strategy has been extremely successful, and don't see anything stopping it for the foreseeable future.

[WilliamPitt]

29. Well, if Tom Friedman says it, it must be true.

P.S. A lot of them won't pay an immediate price because they're from gerrymandered districts, but there won't be another Republican president for 20 years.

[Rex]

42. Keep working on that transparency page!

Real shame you cannot reply in your own thread anymore...a travesty.

[OregonBlue]

50. Thanks for visiting, you can go back to your cave now.

[Fumesucker]

118. Yeah, I thought that after Nixon resigned in disgrace

Not going to make that mistake again.

The Republicans are ~always~ a threat, they have practically every talk radio show in the nation, their own special News channel that has gone to the SCOTUS in order to win their right to knowingly tell untruths and more money behind them than God, Allah and Yahweh in a high stakes poker game.

[bananas]

32. Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT

At Wed Oct 2, 2013, 09:55 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

DU'ers ripped into me yesterday
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023767463

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Hmm, so this 2-week noob is saying that talking to DUers is like "telling a group of 5 year olds there was no Santa Clause" (nice teabagger spelling error) because Tom Friedman thinks the GOP isn't going to suffer any political backlash over the shutdown? Concern trolling much...

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:00 AM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Linking to Tom Freidman is not a violation of community standards. No one is forcing you to read it.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: Ahem. This person has been here since 2008. Still, I agree with the alerter.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Seriously? The poster is spot on. Republicans won't pay a big price, and misspelling Santa Claus does not a teabagger make. Leave it.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Phillyindy]

35. Lol, wow...just...wow. Thanks for posting.

[leftstreet]

39. Why on earth would someone alert on this OP?

Good grief

[Rex]

43. I guess they thought it too meta?

Beyond that, no idea.

[JustAnotherGen]

44. I said the same thing about this

At Wed Oct 2, 2013, 01:03 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I just hope they enjoy their stay here at DU!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3767658

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Calling someone a troll and laughing until they get banned is unacceptable. If someone is a troll alert on them, email an admin, don't LOL in a forum with your buddy. This behavior makes DU suck please vote to hide this mocking, trolling comment. And if you want alert on the OP or email admins!

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Oct 2, 2013, 01:16 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This does not rise to the level of needed to be removed.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Not an ad hominem attack - poster did not call the person they responded to a troll.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I don't see where said person was called a troll. If they were they should report THAT POST. There's nothing wrong with this one.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I disagree.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's not cricket to assign words to a poster ("troll&quot that s/he did not write, and then object to those unwritten words. This alert is more objectionable than the alerted post.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Rex]

46. Aww...somebody lost their alerting privileges!

Seriously I DO hope they enjoy their stay here, I was being sincere about that.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

61. Maybe because OP is insulting most of DU?

Not only Meta DU whining but attack language.

[leftstreet]

96. At least s/he didn't threaten other members

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3767717

[Pretzel_Warrior]

98. Wasn't a threat. More of a prophesy

And everyone's day will come.

[OregonBlue]

53. I agree. leave it so we can all decide for ourselves whether or not the poster is

disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. Personally I think he is but others can make their own observations.

[arthritisR_US]

51. Thomas Friedman is not someone I would ever use

to validate my opinion and chastise others, jmo.

[BainsBane]

57. Yet people cite the Daily Mail all the time

I personally loathe Friedman, but he's not worse than what people use here all the time.

[arthritisR_US]

60. I would never cite the Daily Mail either. Originating

from across the pond I see that rag as the print version of Faux News, jmo.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

58. Impressive. OP got 2 hides on his own thread.

[stevenleser]

64. One must be in a subthread of a person I have on ignore. OP acct status is under review.

I have to say I would lean toward the suggestion that the person is here to disrupt.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

69. Good. Person has certainly been on a roll.

[JEB]

59. The GOP have pulled off a coup

and now have precisely the Government they and their corporate masters want. We have not backtracked from the sequester and they won't willingly backtrack from this.

[bunnies]

73. Fine. The R's can continue their tantrum and keep sinking in the polls.

Works for me.

And now that Cruz is out there talking about how theres going to be terror attacks... he's making them all look even more ridiculous. As if that were possible.

[Rex]

65. Well, whatever you do...don't cave in!

Be sure to be close to a TVEE, so you can watch the POTUS tell the GOP to go pound sand!

[Iggo]

66. META!!!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

67. This thread is hilarious. And OP can't reply

Or alert, but because OP wasn't alerted or locked we keep getting to show this guy for what he is to all of DU by keeping it kicked.

[bunnies]

70. Im not sure if he can post on DU at all...

his acct is "flagged for review". Imagine that. Praising Ted Cruz and liberal bashing arent cool here?

[Rex]

72. The liberal bashing gets on my nerves...the Ted Cruz praising is something I won't stand for.

Actually it is a violation toward humanity to praise Ted Cruz.

[bunnies]

75. Laugh at him at your peril!

Obviously you just cant see him and Caribou Barbie for the geniuses that they are.

[Rex]

79. I wish I could K&R replies.

For Caribou Barbie alone...

[bunnies]

82. I cant take credit for that one.

Cant help but use it though.

[Rex]

84. That is brilliant!

I'm stealing it too! Would be a crime not to use it.

[bunnies]

89. Agreed.

Caribou Barbie. Wardrobe sold separately.

[Rex]

91. Holyshitinahandbasket!

[bunnies]

94. One more...

Had to hunt a bit. (No pun intended)

[Rex]

95. I was going to ask if she came with an assault rifle and helicopter

or do you have to buy those separately?

[bunnies]

103. Well... first you have to buy her some followers.

Dont worry though, they're cheap and easy to find. Then every time she winks or says "you betcha", the followers put money into the Sarah-Stuff-It account. You can then use the money in the Sarah-Stuff-It account to buy accessories of your choosing. And dont worry, the followers will NEVER stop giving money to the account. Even after Caribou Barbie stops working (which wont be very long). Shes quite a cash cow, really. Or should I say... Cash Caribou? Either way, happy shopping!

Ive included a pic of a couple of her followers, so you know what to look for.

[Rex]

106. Ah, Mullet Militia Ken and Six Pack Barbie!

I bet they come with kewl sayings like, "Marxist Obama" and the classic, "Foxnews is where I get all my brain movements from."

[bunnies]

107. You Betcha!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

74. Even better!

[bunnies]

76. You know he'll be back though.

They always come back. They just cant seem to quit us.

[BainsBane]

77. Why?

The system doesn't account for the content of posts. It wasn't a 6-0 jury verdict, and he's well above 100 posts. I don't understand why it is flagged for review.

Edit: I see he's had two posts hidden in the last hour. It's probably that.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

80. And general disruption the past few days

[BainsBane]

81. Again, it's computer generated

What you are referring to would figure into the administrators decision in the review, but not the automated system that flagged him. It must have to do with having two posts hidden in such a short period of time.

[maddezmom]

90. The OP had 5 hides in 90 days so he loses his posting privileges until it is down to 4.

[BainsBane]

99. No, that doesn't kick in until 90 days from the announcement

[maddezmom]

100. Then there must be a glitch

[bunnies]

105. Dont forget...

all alerts are going to the mods now so they see everything that was said. I wouldnt be surprised if that was the reason why he's being reviewed.

[Rex]

87. Praising Ted Cruz should be in the programming somewhere

an automatic ban.

[grantcart]

88. yep its pretty hilarious

The hide was pretty thin IMO but it did set the stage for comedic piling on.

I had never seen "flagged for review" before, that alone made my day.

[lumberjack_jeff]

92. Republicans lose when they individually become objects of pity and ridicule.

Good politics are effective politics.

[BlueStreak]

97. A foul wind blowing through this site

I got a post blocked yesterday that didn't come anywhere close to violating any TOU. My sin was to suggest that the massive f%%%up with the launch of healthcare.gov was hurting our cause. At the end of day two, I still can't even create an account -- actually after about 25 tries, I have created 2 accounts, but I cannot log in to either one. The 800 number will not answer at all, and the chat facility is never functioning. It this isn't a monumental f###up that just gives more red meat to the right wing, I don't know what is.

Yeah, who could have imagined that people would want to get into that site on October 1?

So, warning fellow reality-based people: Commenting on the world as it actually is can get you into trouble here if it isn't what the mob wants to hear. Forget TOU. The mob isn't interested in the TOU. They want unity of speech.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

104. It is pretty GD rabble rousing during a shutdown

And on day 1 and 2 of exchanges being available to not only complain about lack of access but also pile on the admin and act like there wouldn't be problems in such a large online rollout.

[BlueStreak]

113. You are welcome to that opinion My opinion is that it is

a monumental f%%%up that is EXTREMELY damaging to our cause. I don't expect perfection, but the level of problems is simply not acceptable coming from an administration that had 2 years to prepare and wants to position itself as the competent adults in the room.

Nonetheless, my post did not violate any TOU -- not anywhere near a TOU violation, and it is chicken-bleep for anybody to vote to block that just because it isn't the same as their opinion.

[Skip Intro]

115. +100. You are absolutely right.

Yes, there is a "mob" that demands that unity of thought and speech, who demand that lockstep mentality, and use any tool to attack those who refuse to sing from their hymnal, hitting all the right notes at all the right times. The "chill wind" reference is right on, because censorship by mob is their MO. As if they can change any reality they dislike if they can stop people from talking about it.

But I believe most here are respectful adults fully capable of wide-ranging discussions and welcoming of differing opinions, even dissent. I believe most here are reality-based, and value freedom of speech.

Don't capitulate to a few loud thugs. Don't help them build the echo-chamber they so desperately want to create here.

[BlueStreak]

116. Keyboard warriors, I have no doubt.

When I am attending rallies, knocking on doors, providing entertainment for political events, or registering voters, I don't run into many people like this. But they are all over the place at this site. One wonders if they are helping the cause of progress or if they are just giving the media the opportunity to say "See, both sides are just alike."

It will not be effective to counter the trained moneys on the right with well programmed robots on the left.

[OmahaBlueDog]

101. You haven't really done anything on DU unless you've been ripped.

...and most Republicans are egging the shutdown on.

[Progressive dog]

108. It's a lot of years since I believed in santa, but

the polls already show Republicans are going to pay a price. Opinions can change before the next election, but the continued assaults on our government by the hostage takers are more likely to underscore to voters that the Rethugs have decided to continue as the party of insane anarchists.

[Raffi Ella]

114. Account Flagged For Review.

Remember when fOx NewZ told them that Romney would win in a "landslide" and they believed it -

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117. To the repugs this is just a game -

for them it's saving as much $$$ as they can for themselves. It has always been this way. "It's just business". They fight dirty and they will push it because they can afford to do so.

The president needs to stand firm and know that the working class has his back. No negotiating with terrorists.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

119. Here's PhillyIndy's comments about Skinner and censorship

apparently this guy has issues with the way things take place on DU. lol.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1013&pid=2904

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121. "Skinner's Agenda"..

lol rofl We're freaking guests in their house. If we don't like it then.. as someone said in that thread.. Go start your own site, buster.

[JaneyVee]

120. Except we won the House, Senate, and Presidency.