The Emotarian Left Bears Responsibility for The #GOPshutdown

[michigandem58]

Republicans - and Republicans alone - have shut down the government in order to pursue their ideological goal of defunding the Affordable Care Act, an endeavor they have utterly failed at, as Obamacare went into full swing yesterday. But part of the reason we are even here - part of the reason Republicans got to win big in 2010 and gerrymander to make the House much more difficult for Democrats to take back - is not Republicans at all. It's Democrats - specifically, the ideological Left puritans who have made it their mission to hunt Barack Obama as passionately as the Tea Party.

In order to establish this, however, it is first essential to disabuse everyone - especially our national media - of the notion that there was some kind of a voter tidal wave for Republicans in 2010. There was not. Republican turnout in 2010 dropped by 25% from 2008. That isn't the reason Republican took over damn nearly everything that year. The real reason for that is the precipitous drop in Democratic turnout, which fell by 44%...

And please, stuff it if you are going to come at me with "Oh, but turnout always falls in off-year elections." That is not in dispute. The problem in this case isn't that turnout merely fell, although the idea that a 42% turnout in a national election is considered normal is a sad statement for our democracy. The problem in this case is not that turnout fell - it is that it fell far more drastically among Democratic voters than among Republican voters.

If your reply to that is, "well, that's normal too", you are exactly the kind of emotarian bobblehead I'm talking to. Instead of spending Obama's first two years in office trying to tear him down, this crowd could have chosen instead to keep Democratic voters engaged, educated, and turning out in 2010. But they chose to be a thorn on President Obama's side, instead of his ally. Blaming 2010 on the conventional wisdom, after the country tore apart conventional wisdom by electing the nation's first black president in 2008 is either fool's errand or the last refuge of the scoundrel...


http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/10/the-puritan-left-bears-responsibility.html

[Blue_In_AK]

1. You don't give up, do you?

[TroglodyteScholar]

229. Everyone should note that this is a COMPLETE hit-and-run post.

The poster hasn't bothered to reply at all. Just started the shitstorm and disappeared. That should get you thinking.

[Coyotl]

314. This OP has been debunked by the DU Fact checker

[Bernardo de La Paz]

316. That's OP's modus operandi. OP is NOT interested in discussion, just blog advertising hits. nt

[cyberswede]

320. The poster is no longer here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=292212&sub=trans

[Vanje]

330. Good

That guy kept shitting in the pool.

[cyberswede]

332. Yeah - perpetuatig divisive crap at a time when Dems/DUers are fairly united

....against the kooks on the right.

[Vanje]

335. He'll be missed......

by about 20 DUers who ate his particular leavings with a spoon.

They can always get plenty of those nuggets here :
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/

[Aerows]

403. Half of them are Canadians

and can't even vote in our elections. What does that tell you?

[Blue_In_AK]

368. Good riddance.

I'm surprised he was allowed to hang around as long as he was. Some people live to cause dissension.

[Egalitarian Thug]

349. And just read the names of those who recommended this POS. 22 names and no less than

4 forum hosts. Names that host and belong to one particular group.

[bvar22]

399. Now ....

THAT is embarrassing.

[Aerows]

401. They should be ashamed of themselves

for being hosts, then turning around and causing conflicts in the party. Shame on them!

Not to mention they don't even live in our country and can't vote here.

[djean111]

2. Oh, that's your blog again!

Anyway, bullpucky. And rightwing apologist, almost....oh, it isn't the GOP's fault!
And what exactly are you hoping to accomplish?

[upaloopa]

3. I think that idea was debunked here yesterday a couple of times

Hippies and lefties are such a big voting block that they can sway elections?
If that is so why don't the vote a bunch of lefties into office?

[Adam051188]

4. lol

[Blaukraut]

5. This isn't helpful. We're much more effective if we're united instead of infighting, especially now

where the GOP is in the midst of a civil war. This is when the Dems - of ALL stripes! - need to work together to beat the Reps into submission.

[Andy823]

92. +1000 nt

[Bobbie Jo]

122. Agreed.

[last1standing]

242. That's exactly why this POS thread was posted. To divide us.

Some "Democrats" want us at each others' throats in order to get the same turnout in 2014 that they got in 2010. I'll let you come to your own conclusion on what that says about the OP and those who rec'd this.

[DevonRex]

261. I agree. This is not helpful at all.

Everyone should stop taking the bait.

[Puglover]

295. Agreed Devon.

Things have been going well. For the first time in a long time DU has been fairly united and peaceful. It's been a nice change.

And then this divisive garbage gets posted. I have plenty more to say about it and the FEW recs it received. However I am not in the mood for a hidden post this morning.

Hope you're doing well m'dear.

[DevonRex]

393. I'm very suspicious about this post

happening at this time. The division has been terribly hurtful to so many people. To revive it and exacerbated it right now and even use that title? That seems pretty obviously suspicious.

Sometimes posters here establish certain criteria and say no real liberal or Democrat could ever think x, y or z. And invite people to agree or disagree, which results in everyone lining up on one side or another. And it also results in lots of bullying behavior back and forth between the sides. It's horrible and belies every value we hold dear. Even worse, people visiting DU think it is representative of the Democratic Party.

But we don't have to line up on sides just because a poster wants us to. We do not have to take anybody's bait. We need to actively think about whether a post IS bait. If we do that and decline to participate, then the arguments and bullying won't happen. If we get sucked in, we can withdraw. We don't have to continue. We can even self-delete or apologize.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I wish Admin hadn't done away with Meta. At least the fighting was hidden from visitors. And it served another purpose. We found common ground with each other there. People who argued about politics in GD found they agreed with each other on LGBT or feminist issues in Meta. So we became multidimensional to each other. Human even.

Forgot to say I'm doing OK. The government shutdown isn't helpful for us. I'm a federal retiree and my husband is a current federal employee. But my son is much better. So that's all that matters.

[Junkdrawer]

6. This thread is useless without a Sid rec. n/t

[KittyWampus]

111. what is a "Sid rec"? Care to explain without basically calling another DU'er out?

OP is bad enough but you need an opportunity to make a snide reference to another DU'er?

[rhett o rick]

164. Do you think this post is anything but total disruption? Intended to divide the Party? nm

[treestar]

171. No more so than the constant flack from the left

the ones who say we are "authoritarians", not real liberals or Democrats - why does that get a pass. The ones who say Obama never gets enough, never does anything right, is a terrible negotiator, should have done this or that, is only speaking, or should be speaking at the bully pulpit. That he is a warmonger. Blah, blah, they get away with it and have been for years. That wasn't divisive?

They threatened to stay home in 2010. Go read 2009 DU and it will be easy to find them. They said they would no longer donate. They said they would never do any more campaigning (and their campaigning is the only reason Obama won). They when they get push back they are entitled to whine about it.

The ones who keep insisting over and over and over that conservative districts will elect "real progressives" (if they only just ran - but no, they don't have to run. They get replaced by tea partiers because that district is so liberal.

The ones who always blame the Democrats. Those are the divisive ones.

[rhett o rick]

175. You show your true allegiance when you say "from the left". Apparently you arent "from the left".

Then where are you from? I choose Democrats Sen Wyden and Rep Grayson over Republicans Gen Clapper and Gen Alexander. Which side do you choose? I am a Democrat. I believe the Patriot Act should be dumped, do you? I dont support the TPP do you? What issues does the left support that you disagree with? You dont want to save SS and Medicare? Speak up, which issues do you disagree with the terrible left?

[treestar]

177. No, I am on the left, I'm talking about the people further left

who label me a conservative. You are wrong and did not answer the point. They started the divisive crap almost immediately, in Nov. 2008 right after the election. if you were on DU you well know what I mean.

[rhett o rick]

185. What issues define those on the far left that you dont agree with? nm

[Scuba]

271. You know, radical fringe dreams like strengthening and expanding Social Security, Medicare for All..

.. living wage, legalized weed, cutting the military spending, raising taxes on the wealthiest.

You know, unicorns and rainbows.

[rhett o rick]

303. Well that's understandable. Those things would certainly bring this country to it's knees. nm

[rhett o rick]

304. Seriously. What do people further left than yourself do or want that you

disagree with?

[AgingAmerican]

359. Self hating leftist?

Never heard of one of those before.

[KittyWampus]

189. Yes, I agree with you. And some of it is infantile gotcha

[rhett o rick]

195. Good. We need to stick together if we are to kick the damn Republicans out of the House. nm

[Whisp]

238. you do remember the disruptive Jane Hamsher crap that was dragged here

constantly pre 2010 mids, don't you?

and the how too many here were on board with her divisive anti-democratic swill.

well I do.

[rhett o rick]

240. I guess I missed your point. Do you agree that this OP is aimed at disruption? nm

[Whisp]

247. If you want to talk 'disruption'

there is a certain kitten that is no longer with us, as of today.

now That one was disruptive, for a very, very long time in the most caustic ways was that one anti-democratic and anti-Obama and with a following of names that is very recognizable.

so sorry, but this OP is like Sesame Street to me compared.

deal with it like I/we had/have to deal.

[rhett o rick]

249. This OP is pure disruption as are many of his posts. But apparently you only see from

one side.

[Whisp]

259. as apparently you do.

It's kind of funny how ballistic this OP has made some very same people that rah rahed the Kitten's toxic waste and are now so hurt with name calling. I don't even know what this emotarian (emotional libertarian??) thing is, but I do know what Stasi is and what Authoritarian is and I've been called that many times for defending this administration against the vile names flung there, from here.

but I don't bawl my eyes out about it.

[rhett o rick]

306. Can you explain what it is about the left that you so despise? nm

[Whisp]

308. First you tell me why you hate puppies. n/t

[rhett o rick]

324. I find it interesting that those that disparage the left will not explain why.

They will not explain which issues the left pushes that they dont agree with. TPV is aimed at splitting the party.

By the way, I love puppies and I dont disparage puppies, can others here say the same about the left?

[Whisp]

329. I disparage the fake lefts - the eternally dissatisfied

moaners and bleaters who begin to meet the other side of the circle in teabag land with their tactics and hate for this administration.

if you or your friends are not one of these, I don't know why you are so interested and upset and why you are attempting to paint me as a right winger by claiming I don't like the left.

pretty poor job there, rhett.

[AgingAmerican]

365. I criticize Obama all the time

Does that make me "Fake left"?

[Whisp]

371. I don't know you.

But the hard fact is, there Are right wing trollers here right now.

Safetykitten was one and she lived here amongst us for a long time and she wasn't the first nor last.

They are among us, that is an absolute truth.

Criticizing Obama is not the complaint, there is some respectful criticism here. There are people here that can state their crits without throwing their lungs out on the keyboard in a rage and these are the ones opinions I consider.

It is the way it is done with the lung spitters and the fact that they have absolutely ZERO positive to say about this admin or about the dem party. Like the Kitty.

[rhett o rick]

369. There are those here that attack "the left". They dont narrow it done to "the fake left", they

include all the left with their smears. The OP is a great example which I see got a few rec's.

Criticism of this administration, or any administration, is what the left does. The left is never happy and always fights for more. That is not hatred of Obama.

[AgingAmerican]

362. I can tell you why

Anyone who criticizes Obama for anything is labeled "The left" and disparaged. It's that simple.

[rhett o rick]

396. And if you ask them what issues "the left" has that they dont agree with, they wont answer.

They never like to discuss issues only personalities.

[Rex]

397. Looks like that would be a NO.

Don't feel bad, I have YET to be given any reason at all as to why they hate the Left so much...the 'fake left' stuff is just CYA, never seen a OP called the Fake Left.

[Aerows]

408. Well, for one

She doesn't reside in the US and isn't a US voter, and gets all of the benefits of programs that we don't like Universal health care. Because, you know, such programs are so awful.

[Rex]

417. Another Canadian?

I wonder how many are actually...nah better not say it.

[Aerows]

419. There are at least 3

and couldn't vote here if they wanted to, yet seem to deem it necessary to meddle incessantly in American politics. I wish they would move here and discover the wonders of no health care and other pleasures.

[Rex]

421. I find that very interesting, thanks for the information!

How grows (goes) those beautiful tomatoes!?

[Aerows]

425. Got to wait to put them out until

February or maybe March. I can't plant them until we get good weather, so I'm just letting them sprout (indoors) through the fall and winter

[Rex]

428. A friend of mine is growing them upside down in his house!

He has them hanging from his ceiling on a custom made lattice. He swears they are bigger and I will admit they are of almost grapefruit size.

[Aerows]

429. I have mine growing in the garage

I might lattice mine if we keep getting favorable temperatures, and I can then direct a heat lamp on them .

[Aerows]

437. Now that I think about it, that sounds neat!

http://www.ehow.com/how_5607116_make-tomato-lattice-trellis.html

Is more what I'm doing but I'd love to know more about your friend's arrangement.

[Rex]

440. I will get his information and PM it to ya!

Or die trying! He might view it as spilling trade secrets...

[Aerows]

441. Thanks, that would be awesome!

I'd appreciate it

[Rex]

448. Anytime my friend.

I think he grows them through hydroponics, but will find out tomorrow and send you what secrets I can get from him (he is a paranoid prepper, but I love him anyway and try to change his mind all the time about life not being at The End).

[AgingAmerican]

360. Now that you mention that...

MIR Team (EarlG) banned michigandem58

[Aerows]

407. You are Canadian

And you can't even vote in the US, so ... what is your skin in this game? It's time that gets pointed out. There are a handful of you whom are the loudest Obama cheerleaders, but you can't even vote in this country.

Why is that? I think that is a fair question.

I'm not trying to be an ass, and I love you as a person, but this question needs to be asked and answered.

[Puglover]

443. I live in Ecuador.

I am not a citizen of Ecuador. Yet. Until I am I keep my yap shut when Ecuadorians are discussing President Correa.

Until I have skin in the game how Ecuadorians feel about THEIR politics is none of my business.

[Aerows]

446. My point exactly

If you are not an American citizen that can VOTE in the US, then you really don't have a right to complain at or about American voters. Which is the main thing this post did, insulting a lot of voters, and was supported by people that don't even VOTE here.

[Puglover]

457. I really do try to picture myself hanging out on a

Canadians website screaming at Canadians about my perceptions about their support for THEIR elected officials.


Can't seem to get a picture of that in my head. And yet down thread when you politely questioned one of our Canadian guests all you got was derisive emoticans. I honestly cannot figure out why admin allows it.

[Aerows]

459. I'm as stunned as you are.

Canadians in a thread disparaging American voters for not voting (whether they voted or not) ... when they can't vote here themselves and don't live under our laws.

It rather boggles the mind.

[QC]

461. It really is a whole new dimension in assholism

for a person to go to a foreign political forum and attack the people there for not being willing to settle for less than he has, simply because he has some weird fanboi attachment to those people's elected officials.

Lord knows I don't worry too much about offending people, but I can't imagine doing that.

As for why it's allowed, well, you know as well as I do that many of the most hateful, disruptive people ever to join DU have proved strangely bulletproof. It's practically a tradition around here.

[SidDithers]

121. Really? That's how you're going to be?...

Fuck it. I'll rec it just for you.

Sid

[whatchamacallit]

127. You would have rec'd it anyway

it is your favorite flavor of horse shit after all.

[Junkdrawer]

134. ....Bears Responsibility for.....

Oh, the irony....

[rhett o rick]

172. Look at the list that rec'd this piece of divisive crap. Determined to split the party.

Choosing the right over the left. Choosing Republicans Gen Clapper and Gen Alexander over Democrats Sen Wyden, and Rep Grayson.

[Aerows]

409. Another Canadian

delighted at the disparaging of the actual voting population of the US. Why don't you give up your universal health care, move down here and become the political activist in the US you always wanted to be?

Oh wait, you can't even vote here, but you are an expert. I keep forgetting how people that can't even vote in the US are experts on our political process.

[SidDithers]

411. ...

Sid

[Aerows]

413. Do you vote in American political processes?

Yes or no?

[SidDithers]

414. ...

Sid

[Aerows]

422. I'll take that as a "NO"

Since we both know that is the answer.

[SidDithers]

430. Take it however you want...

Sid

[Aerows]

434. Yeah, Sid

It's a no.

You can't even vote in our elections, but you have this vociferous opinion about everything. Move down here and vote, then you can be taken seriously.

[Number23]

471. I know I'm late to the party but crap like this is exactly why I haven't been around

The folks screaming about "Canadians" sound exactly as well-hinged as the folks screaming about "Teh Joos." It's bizarre.

And besides the fact that it is well known that one of the admins of DU is British just makes all of the "concern" about the 3-4 Canadians that post here that much more incredibly stupid.

[Douglas Carpenter]

473. you do know about this, don't you?

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[Number23]

474. Umm... thanks. Has fuck all to do with my post TO SID but it appears to be incredibly important

to you to point out that this poster has been banned. Thanks. Really.

[Douglas Carpenter]

476. I think it would good for you own peace of mind if you might consider lightening up a little

[Number23]

477. Or... you could just not feel the need to barge into conversations with completely unrelated content

[Douglas Carpenter]

478. my bad... it's all my fault

[Number23]

479. And completely unnecessary as well.

[Douglas Carpenter]

7. that 44% who didn't show up at the polls in 2010 need to be driven out of the party -

that will fix the problem with low voter turnout

[Bluenorthwest]

8. It's hilarious to hear that liberals didn't vote in 2010 when liberal Oregon had record

breaking turnout and California elected Jerry Brown and a solid Blue State House and Washington also delivered strong Democratic turnout and results, the entire crunchy West Coast with legal pot and bicycle commuters voted like mad.
So who in reality did not vote? Folks who were presented with Blue Dog mealy mouths and Semi Republican Say Anything Centrists breathed a heavy sigh that sounded suspiciously like 'fuck you' and refused to vote for more conservative schlock posturing as Democrats.

[AleksS]

70. To be fair, in WI we were offered some good

To be fair, in WI we were offered some good progressive choices (Barrett, Feingold) and that didn't work out so well for us. Heck, progressive local candidates got stomped too.

So, I think it wasn't simply a lack of progressive voices that killed turnout in states where turnout dropped like a rock. There was something else you guys had that we didn't.

Something caused you guys (and girls) to rise to the occasion, I wish it would have been out here too. WI could do without Walker and Johnson.

[xfundy]

9. Still polishing that turd of a website, I see.

Who doesn't love spam?

[JHB]

10. Wasn't he using the Tea Party terminology for union leadership last week?

Why yes, yes he was.

I'll repeat one more time: If "the Left" is insignificant, then it's safe to ignore and this sort of carping is pretty pointless.

But if they are a necessary part of the coalition to win elections, then treat them that way, and knock off the constant vituperation.

Where are Spandan's numbers backing up his view? What are the actual numbers for hands-sitting lefties, vs. members of the general public who were psyched to vote for Obama but just didn't have enough interest in getting to the polls in the off-year without all the national-level drama? Preferably broken down by state and county.

[scarletwoman]

215. Bravo! Thank you!

You know the OP will never bother with replying to your post, and more likely than not, not even read it.

I just wanted to let you know that I've read your post and appreciate it very much.

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. This is a dumb and not very helpful original post

You should delete it.

[Ken Burch]

12. UH..."Emotarian"? is that a thing?

[JHB]

22. I think that's an "emoprog" crossed with a Rotarian

Hipster real estate agents? Aging head shop owners?

[AgingAmerican]

31. It the opposite of a

right wing UrkelCon Democrat, I believe.

[winter is coming]

96. I thought Emotarian won the Derby last year.

[JHB]

101. Is that the one who ran off with Rafalca after she lost the dance contest?

[OnyxCollie]

309. !

[Dragonfli]

173. I have been looking to buy a geodesic dome! does he have the number for one of those

Hippy real estate agents?

[QC]

30. It's the sort of thing that a stupid, hateful right wing asshole

would imagine to be the height of wit and insight.

[Jester Messiah]

86. Dictionary says no. [nt]

[Rex]

200. It is a desperate word created in a panic.

They must be in full panic mode over the ACA and GOP shutdown of government.

[Rex]

13. In like clockwork.

Lest we were forgetting that it was the Lefts fault...it HAS been a few hours.

[cui bono]

34. I mean really. The unity was too much to take.

Thank god the name calling is back and left to stand here in all its glory.

[Rex]

190. It was! You would think they are mad that the GOP is fubard!

But no, not at all...just bashing liberals every few hours with another OP. It helps at least to point out who here is to talk about ideas and who is here to divide us up and shit stir.

[Union Scribe]

14. That 2010 lie has been debunked here dozens of times.

And it is a lie, not a misunderstanding. It is repeated not innocently, not in ignorance, but to attack liberals. Your blogger buddy is a liar.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2665204

And I'll c&p from my post I linked to, so you have to do even less work:

In the last two midterms:

From 2006, Votes by Ideology:
Liberals made up 20% of the vote and voted 87% for Democats
Moderates made up for 47% of the vote and voted 60% for Democrats

In 2010:
Liberals again made up 20% of the vote and voted 91% Democratic
Moderates fell to 38% of the vote and only voted 55% for Democrats

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/polls/#USH00p1
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/US/H/00/epolls.0.html


Liberal turnout was the same in 2010, and liberals even voted more for Dems that year. It was ideological moderates, the unicorn the DLC is always chasing, that did not show up in 2006 numbers.

[frylock]

163. he IS the blogger

[Dragonfli]

178. Cool, Is Alex Jones a poster in good standing here as well?, He is at least hysterical and good

for a full on belly laugh!

[frylock]

180. i wouldn't be surprised, but jones is such an egomaniac and pub whore..

that i'm sure he'd use his real name.

[Rex]

202. Thanks, of course that will go over about a dozen heads here.

They have to keep a certain narrative rolling.

[QC]

15. Your blog still sucks.

[NuclearDem]

16. K&R

Well, kicked, then rec'd just so I could unrec

[Ken Burch]

17. You can't just expect people to vote Democratic no matter what.

The abstentions(which a lot of progressives spoke out against)were caused by the climate of despair that Rahm Emmanuel caused by abandoning virtually all efforts to work for meaningful change and by treating progressives as if they had no right to expect anything, including respect and a fair hearing, from the administration THEY elected.

It wasn't ALL the fault of the abstainers. Those who drove them to abstaining are equally to blame. Why don't you ever call THOSE people out?

[Rex]

18. This from a guy that wouldn't vote for Obama.

"Lest you think this is because I was personally offended as a gay man, you are right. But it wasn't only because of that that I made this decision. I draw the line in the sand when politicians pander to any group and sacrifice their stated goals of equal dignity under law and associate themselves, willingly, with known bigots of any kind, be they racists, sexists or homophobes. This is such a line. Obama has crossed it. Good riddance, Barack Obama." - Spandan C.

Good riddance? Really?

[QC]

23. Please...that was an emotional time....

[Bluenorthwest]

27. An emotarian time....

nt

[Dragonfli]

188. And he didn't yet realize that Obama wasn't one of the hated left, as he ran from the left.

He won him over when he started appointing right wing corporacrats to every thing in sight.
You can't hold an early misunderstanding against a right wing "Democrat" when the rhetoric sounded so evily lefty now can you?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

77. Wonder if he ever completed that online Kaplan degree...

what with all the emotion 'n stuff.

[AgingAmerican]

19. Why do you come here?

If you hate the left so much why do you call yourself a Democrat? Why do you hate Democrats so much? This is flat out trolling.

[bunnies]

37. To stir shit and cause infighting.

Ill answer because this OP never answers anything. They just drop their pile of dung and run.

[RandiFan1290]

20. Looks like all the publicons are getting this shot in since yesterday

[hobbit709]

21. The WHAT left?

Are you on something?

There be gurgling sounds coming from the morass.

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. That blog and the idiot "Spandan" who writes for it are both pieces of shit.

[cali]

47. +1

[AgingAmerican]

59. Here is the facebook of the guy who authors this nonsense

https://www.facebook.com/deaniac83

[WorseBeforeBetter]

79. I never tire of the ACLU t-shirt. (n/t)

[AgingAmerican]

25. Republicans won in 2010 because

...the youth and independents that came out in DROVES for Obama in 08 had become disgruntled and disillusioned by 2010. The youth and independent vote did NOT materialize in that midterm because Obama had done a hard right turn. The promised hope and change did not materialize.

This OP is thin skinned and pathetic. The right wing UrkelCon Democrats have lost their collective minds.

[treestar]

168. Then you agree with TPV

That the disappointed made us all pay cause they didn't get enough in the two years.

[rhett o rick]

183. It wasnt the left that stayed home, it was the wishy-washy centralists. I was there, we manned

the phones we walked the neighborhoods, we helped in the offices. The damn lousy centrists stayed home. You know the centrists that cant quite figure out whether they are Democrats or REpublicans.

The left is fighting for single payer while the centrists are compromising with the devil. We want to save SS and Medicare while the centrists are putting SS on the table. We are fighting for the Constitutional protections of our privacy while the centrists are bowing and scraping to Gen Clapper and GEn Alexander. We want the fucking Patriot Act ended while the centrists are somehow rationalizing that it must be ok because God supports it.

The only thing in the middle of the road is a yellow line and dead roadkill. Pick a side and fight.

[neverforget]

208. No it wasn't. Democrats lost Independents big time in 2010.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023763623

Apparently, it's gospel by some here that is was liberals who didn't turn out in 2010. If only liberals had turned out, the story goes, we wouldn't have this Tea Party Congress. If only that were true. Instead, it was the middle of the road types who gave us these assholes.

We turned out alright. Democrats turned out 36-36 for Republicans. We lost the election in 2 key spots: women and Independents. Democrats won women 49-48 percent and lost Independents 55-39. That's a drubbing. In the 2006 mid terms, Democrats won Independents 59-37. See the difference? The so-called "swing voters" are who decide elections.

So please, quit blaming Liberals for losing 2010. The Democrats lost Independents big time and that's why we are in this shitty situation. Independents. Not liberals.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2010-midterms-political-price-economic-pain/story?id=12041739&singlePage=true

[AgingAmerican]

246. The youth vote and Independents are not the left

nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

275. You should resign in shame from being host of a pro-Obama group for reccing this thread

See #273. It all applies to you.

[cali]

45. I'll echo that sentiment.

[bluestate10]

28. Hear, Hear!!!! nt

[Union Scribe]

29. So you also believe the lie that 2010 was liberals' fault? nt

[AgingAmerican]

41. So actively driving Democrats away from voting

...is to be cheered?

[cali]

42. people cheering this steaming pile of dog shit don't belong on a dem forum.

[Dragonfli]

199. If the goal is to disrupt and divide Dems then their goals WOULD place them here

So they belong in their own minds. Too bad such trolling is considered par for course.

[rhett o rick]

237. So you align with the OP and still call yourself a "politically liberal" person?

Why are you in DU if you support the conservatives? Get out of our tent.

[cui bono]

32. I hope that you and all the people reccing this worthless name calling thread don't ever complain

about any name calling sent your direction. Ever.

These people think it's okay for you to call them names in the future:

michigandem58
greatauntoftriplets
mac56
freshwest
bluestate10
Cha
sheshe2
Liberal_Stalwart71
regnaD kciN
Tarheel_Dem

I'm sure there will be more later...

[Hydra]

38. Don't worry, they'll complain bitterly

About how mistreated they are, and how they are just defending the President by alienating the Democrats here.

[cali]

40. I'll be more than glad to remember these *duers*

and this rec.

And I won't let the little critters forget it.

[Bluenorthwest]

108. That list is a DU Hall of Shame

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023172626#post29

[Scootaloo]

110. Cha and Sheshe... no surprises on those two

Also, reccing your own thread? That's just sad.

[SidDithers]

125. 'Cause those posters haven't been called any names at all...

please, since you're making lists, add me to too.

Sid

[cui bono]

129. That's not the point. The point is they have no standing to complain about it since they clearly

endorse name calling.

It's not a hard concept to grasp.

[Bluenorthwest]

291. That list is automatically compiled by the DU software, by design of the admins Sid

No one has to 'make a list' when the software lists all recs as you know. If you have an issue with that, you should notify the Admins, there is a forum called 'Ask the Admins' and you should do just that. Ask them why they designed accountability into the rec function. I really think you should do that.
You have rec'd many of this OP's posts because they 'piss off all the right people'. You cheer the divisiveness openly and loudly.

[Vanje]

132. more later. Yes indeed

shenmue
Cha
bhikkhu
SidDithers


The night is still young.

[msanthrope]

145. Kindly add my name to your list. Thank you. I think keeping a list of who

recs a thread is an interesting site-monitoring tool.

What, precisely, do you hope to accomplish?

[Whisp]

245. add my name to your list

this stasi-authoritarian boot licker wants to be listed with all the other stasi-authoritarian boot lickers who rec'd.

mama, they called me naaaaaaaaaaaames!

[QC]

279. Time to face facts: the BOG has become the home of DU's right wing fringe.

That has become increasingly obvious as BOG hosts and members rush to support right wing threads.

[cui bono]

345. And post nothing but insults and taunts with no substance. n/t

[QC]

381. Nothing but.

Of course, discussing an actual issue now and then would put one at risk of being momentarily out of sync with the administration, so it's safer just to snark at people.

[Rex]

398. They have a transparency problem and it has been exposed in GD.

The echo chamber, sadly if you look it is mostly just the BOG hosts posting their now...that is what happens when you run everyone off.

[Bluenorthwest]

292. I second every last exacting word of your post.

A disgrace and the very opposite of support for Obama.

[QC]

382. Sadly, some truths cannot be said. n/t

[Whisp]

301. The nerve of some to call others a disgrace.

We and the admin have been under attack and assault ever since 2008 and before. The most vile, toxic names are hurled at us and at the President. Years of it. Years of having to bear the superiority of all the super progressive leftists that know every fucking thing there is to know about everything and thing number 1 is that Obama is a loser and we are mindless bots if we happen to disagree. Because I am a host of the Barack Obama Group does not give you the right to decide for me how I speak and what I speak about and in which forum or group. And here we, the Obama supporters, are called the authoritarians. That's rich, all around rich and snobbish.

So sorry I am not paying much attention to someone else's call for time out because the superior super progressive leftists have decided a time out is needed and we must adhere to their rules! This 'peace' is mostly just a confused reaction of a certain other group as to how to proceed next. The ones that have, right down to the wire, proclaimed that Obamacare is a total failure and a hopper of money set up by the President for the sole purpose of feeding insurance companies money and nothing else. Now they are beside themselves with how to proceed when finally some truth is coming out contrary to all the big bad news thrown around about Obamacare for years now. The tide is too heavy to slog against, people are finding out the Truth and they are Liking It. And some people are not liking the truth at all so they are exaggerating hurts and boo boos and frantically pointing fingers away from themselves.

And yes, the constant debbie downer talk prior to 2010 Did have an effect on the voter outcome. Deny it all you like. Long faces constantly complaining here on DU, faces as Jane Hamsher and her Negativity Train of Fools - constantly moaning about how awful the dems and the admin were, how at least with Bush you knew what to expect, tear it all down and start over nonsense (sound familiar?) - all that was excreted here on DU and most likely to co-workers, friends and family as well, and so on, and so on. The purpose of the Hamsher love here was to depress votes, and that it did.

If you want to talk disgraces you should have been paying more attention.

[FSogol]

307. +1. Well said. n/t

[sheshe2]

333. Agreed! +1000000000000000...........

Damn! That was well said Whisp! Thank you and bless your heart!

[neverforget]

400. Democrats lost in 2010 because of Independents. We lost them 55-39. In 2006, we won

them 59-37. I know it's fun to blame the left for our ills, but we showed up and voted. Independents abandoned the Democrats in 2010 and we're paying for it now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023763623

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2010-midterms-political-price-economic-pain/story?id=12041739&singlePage=true

[Rex]

402. Your post will be ignored, it goes against their extremely narrow narrative.

nt.

[neverforget]

404. I'll continue to try to fight this misinformation.

[Rex]

405. Thank you for your efforts.

A lot of us appreciate the continued try at reason and facts against these out and out lies.

[neverforget]

412. Thank you! I appreciate it!

[Whisp]

416. Well maybe the Independents heard all the fucking griping from DEMOCRATS

against Obama and that made their decision to go GOP. The Pugs sure weren't hanging their own, they never do, but what would an Independent think of all the filthy names and lies about the President, coming from supposed Democrats?

Some undecideds believed that shit and voted GOP. Left, centre, moderate, progressive, and everything in between and above and below - they all heard the raging hate against Obama and it's not over the top to expect that some believed that shit and voted GOP.

You don't make a case at all, in fact you support what I and some others here say.

[Vanje]

423. Delusional

[Whisp]

432. How is that delusional?

How do you think some of the ultra R/W anti-Dem talking points, that came from 'the bestest progressive lefts like Jane Hamster' were understood by people that don't spend as much time on politics as we do here on DU and had not yet made a decision and were swayed to vote GOP because, holey smokes, even the Democrats are saying Obama wants old people on Cat Food and all that other rubbish rot that squirled around?

That's delusional, asking that is delusional? seriously.

[Vanje]

449. Breathe

If you want to, But DO punctuate.

I dont even know what the issue is about Jane Hampster. It must have been a real important deal here at DU for a couple of days, a few years ago.
I'm afraid I missed it.

She must have really kicked your ass though, because clearly, you're still fighting with her.

I'll just quietly back away, now, and let you continue hunting your great white whale in peace.

[Whisp]

456. you have some toilet paper stuck on your left shoe.

I noticed that when you walked away. I thought I'd tell you instead of not. some people wouldn't

[Rex]

433. Completely.

nt.

[cui bono]

424. Wrong. Can't blame the left for POTUS governing from the center.

“Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time”

Harry S Truman

[Whisp]

460. yeh, that Republican Obama. Damn him to hell.

you are doing exactly what...

o never mind except I will add;
Damn the Ratfuckers to hell.

[neverforget]

454. ok. I'll put you down as not believing the

exit polls from 2010. So it's the lefts fault that independents voted Repug. Got it.

[CakeGrrl]

466. +1000

The tsk-tsking attempt at shaming and condescension is tiring.

[Starry Messenger]

264. +1

[Whisp]

268. maybe one of us Stasi-bots can go look who rec'd Safekitten's OPs...

if you want to play a list game, bring it.

[cui bono]

344. I have no idea who Safetykitten is

but have fun trying to rec another thread by this loser.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=292212&sub=trans

p.s. "bring it"? Where the fuck do you think you are?

Oh, and btw... you already responded to my post. Maybe you should count to 10 before posting.

[Whisp]

348. Safetykitten was a putrid rw troll disguised as a

more progressive progresser than anyone who supported the President. Toxic full bore hate and ignorance, with applauding followers.

[cui bono]

353. And you've been "applauding" a RW troll yourself, quite proudly, as shown in this thread.

But he's been banished now.

[Whisp]

355. seeing as this is a democratic site, no there is no comparison

to the two bannings.

Safetykitten absolutely hated this administration and democrats. You could smell it on her cat breath with every post she made.

Michigan hated the likes of the Safetykittens that have found refuge here and elsewhere to do their work, and have done harm to the party and to this site.

quite the diff.

[cui bono]

358. michigandem's OPs were all divisive and attempts to break up the Democratic Party

and drive down voters for our party. He posted name calling and you proudly rec'd his slimy OP.

But go ahead and spin it any way you want.

[Whisp]

364. Yes, I rec'd that OP.

Some others did too.

Are you trying to Shame me or something? That won't work and I think you know it.

So is it that you think that anyone who recs an OP from a departed banned member should also have some punishment attached? Is that what you are hinting at? What do you think this punishment should be, if more than an attempt at public shaming?

I'm a bona fide Stasi-bot according to many here because I'm a 'bogger' (insert creepy zombie music) and even I wouldn't entertain such foolishness of authoritarianism as you are suggesting.

Pick it up a notch, cui, you are losing again.

---
on edit: I don't think many know about the Stasi, otherwise they wouldn't fling that word around to Obama supporters. That is quite ignorant besides repugnant. But somehow that is to be overlooked but some Emo word or what the fuck that word is, is causing such profuse bleeding. Go Figure.

[cui bono]

378. What are you talking about?

If you keep on track with this discussion,

-I said that anyone who rec'd this thread should never complain about name calling.
-You proudly claimed to have rec'd the thread.
-You brought up Safetykitten for some sort of retaliation (?).
-I pointed out that the poster of said thread is banned.
-You claimed that Safetykitten was a worse offender than michigandem - presumably making it okay for you to condone michigandem's posts basically saying it's okay if you do a bad thing since there are worse things being done.
-I responded that you proudly rec'd michigandem's post and you can try to spin it any way you want.

Now somehow, out of that - and you can go reread the subthread if you wish - you get that I am trying to "shame" you and that I want to inflict "punishment" on you???!!! You keep bringing up "Stasi-bot", inferring that I use that term (which I don't). You are really reaching in an effort to paint me as some sort of tyrant.

And you think I am "losing again"??? Wow. Talk about projection. It's all over your posts in this subthread.

Your post is so fucking bizarre. You have learned spinning, but you sound just as bad trying to do it as those others we watch on the teevee.

[Whisp]

384. so stasi isn't as bad as 'emo what-the-fuck-ever-word'?

yeh, ok.

you can go now.

[cui bono]

415. Are you accusing me of using the term or of saying that it's not as bad as emotarian?

I did neither. But I know that won't stop you.

Please proceed.

[Whisp]

426. So you don't have an opinion or answer to that.

Because it may be just a wee bit inconveeeeenient.

and No, I wasn't personally accusing You, but nice poor try anyway to try to make it personal so the alert buttons blare to attempt to shut up one of those nasty talkative Boggers from some Swamp...

I didn't expect an honest answer, so that's okay. Just wanted it out there for the record that you refuse to.

[cui bono]

436. I didn't think it was a real question, and I'm quite sure you never did either, but I'm happy

to answer.

No, it's not better or worse than emotarian left. Why do you ask? Did I ever advocate using the term? Did I ever use it? There must be a reason you are asking that out of the blue. Please tell me what that reason is.

Make it a good one because I just looked at your post again and there is no way in hell you asked that sincerely. It was completely accusatory:

384. so stasi isn't as bad as 'emo what-the-fuck-ever-word'?

yeh, ok.

you can go now.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3776383

Plus you "dismissed" me so clearly you didn't really want an answer.

[Whisp]

442. You must be 'delusional' then.

The question was real, it's right there in full view, even has one of these things: ? at the end if I'm not mistaken.

[cui bono]

450. Really? I'm posting it below. You show me how that is a real question.

Nevermind that you could go look for yourself.

By the way... you failed to answer my question. Why is that? Please answer my question, I answered yours.

Here is your entire post where you claim to have asked me a question in good faith because you really, truly wanted my opinion:

384. so stasi isn't as bad as 'emo what-the-fuck-ever-word'?

yeh, ok.

you can go now.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3776383

When you add "yeh, ok. you can go now." you clearly are not asking a genuine question. Surely you've heard of a rhetorical question? Perhaps that's what is confusing you. Here, check this out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

So... you were saying? Oh yeah, you were going to answer my question. But then, now that we're clear you were never really asking me that question for a real answer I guess the point it moot. No need to answer it.

Please proceed.

[Vanje]

439. Are you drinking?

Right now?
Are you drinking?

Because it kind of seems like you might be.

[Whisp]

445. nope. are you on drugs?

because it kind of seems like you might be.

maybe a hat on too tight?

[Vanje]

435. You can't shame the shameless.

You are discoursing with a one that has no shame at all.

There is seriously something missing from that one.

[cui bono]

438. I like to see how many circles they can go around before they get too dizzy to post. n/t

[QC]

462. Quiet, you! You have plenty of rights.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022947372#post283

[Vanje]

427. Delusional! I'm telling ya!

[DireStrike]

33. Insulting people is the way to get them to vote for you

You can keep pretending that's true. If the Democratic party believes this it will just keep losing elections.

[Hydra]

36. These kinds of posts are actually geared to scare Dems away from the polls

I'm not quite sure why they're tolerated here.

[cui bono]

49. Because the jury system does not work here.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this post at Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:14 PM, and voted 3-3 to keep it.

[Hydra]

53. Sad Truth. n/t

[QC]

69. Amen.

The jury system is a sad joke that is dumbing this place down to the level of Youtube comments.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

82. I wonder how many on that jury are also on Democrats for Progress...

the site that refers to DU as a cesspool.

[bunnies]

85. Why the fuck do they post here then?

Are all these leaches just trying to hitch to us because of our traffic? WTF?!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

90. Beats the hell out of me.

It seems rather masochistic. I mean, if they're so miserable here, why keep coming back for more?

[QC]

98. They remind me of the guy who swears he's over his ex

but he talks about her all the time and drives by her house six or eight times a day.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

105. Good analogy. And increasingly unhinged...

something Spamdan likes to accuse The Howling Left (my personal fav) of. The projection is textbook.

[bunnies]

99. Well... now that Im aware of their opinion of us...

Ill treat them the same as this fuckwit. Bash us then post here? Fuck that shit.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

107. Heh! I need the one of the black cat that knocks off...

the pill bottle, then yawns... special for Spamdan.

[bunnies]

159. havent seen that one.

Obviously Im missing out!

[bunnies]

165. lmao! Ta Daaaa!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

174. Good work! :-)

I'm happy to see the vast majority of DUers rejecting this bullshit OP. Maybe there's hope after all.

[bunnies]

176. Fingers crossed.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

227. 19 recs in 5 hours...

I think the Spandan *magic* has worn off.

[URL=http://www.sherv.net/emoticons.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[Puglover]

312. They post here because like OET

those pitiful sites are ghost towns. Can you imagine how stimulating it must be to listen to the musings of NJM a tombstoned troll from DU? And I am starting to think after reading this POS they simply post to divide Democrats.

[bunnies]

313. I think youre exactly right.

No other purpose than to drive that wedge. Thankfully, most of us arent falling for their games. Its like they've taken a play from the teabag playbook.

[Egnever]

387. Most of the people on that site were here way before you

they helped build this site so your sorry ass could come here later and claim it as yours lol. Oh those evil people that think supporting the president is a good idea... the shame ..

[bunnies]

389. What a lovely sentiment.

I was here in 2004. But after a long break and an email & computer switch, I had to start again when I came back. Excuse the shit out of me for wondering why people who BASH DU would post here. What the fuck am I thinking. Maybe you should start a DU sucks thread and see how that goes since you seem to agree with them so much.

ps. and thanks for the personal attack. Speaks volumes about you. Sorry ass indeed.

[frylock]

166. 3 of them are likely in the rec list

[Hydra]

35. Oh, look, it's another bizarre insult

[hootinholler]

43. That is so saved!

[Hydra]

51. Just found it ;)

"He is the most interesting man in the world..."

[hootinholler]

64. I think he's talking to this guy

[bunnies]

73. omfg!

edit: typo. Was laughing too hard.

[Hydra]

76. Isn't that the EmoFascist Right?

Like this one:

[hootinholler]

106. Yawoll, der uber emoreichwing

Pardon the pidgen Deustch

[cui bono]

94. Okay, from now on we should all just post this pic as a reply to all of michigandem##'s posts.

[bunnies]

162. Im in!!!

[DireStrike]

140. lol -nt-

[cali]

39. fuck that little turd with a big rusty farm implement.

and YOU should be booted off du for posting this vile dog shit.

You are utterly shameless neverthefuckingless:

SHAME

SHAME

SHAME on YOU.

[bunnies]

44. I figured out your motto. Shit & Split.

Thats exactly what you do on this board. Shit on liberals and split because you cant take the heat you throw. Pathetic.

[demmiblue]

50. Shit and split... I will have to remember that one!

[bunnies]

57. It just came to me now...

must have been the wafting stench of this OP.

[cui bono]

60. Good one!

[bunnies]

89. Just thought of another...

Shit & Run.

[DireStrike]

141. Fart and dart?

[cui bono]

157. Dump and slump?

This is fun!

[wickerwoman]

198. Pee and flee

[Starry Messenger]

265. Johnny Crapleseed?

I've stolen that from another DUer from ages back, but I think it fits here...

[bunnies]

160. It was the dog.

The blue dog.

[Jamastiene]

146. That one is even better.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. As opposed the Woodchuckarian right?

[scarletwoman]

48. It's truly astounding to me. At a time when all of DU is united in its outrage against the rightwing

vandals in Congress, you and others see fit to attack your fellow Democrats instead.

All these years and months, whenever someone complains about something they dislike that's been done by Obama and/or Congressional Democrats, a certain faction rises up and fires back, "Why aren't you attacking the Republicans?"

So now, when we're ALL attacking the Republicans, that same faction is rising up to attack their fellow DEMOCRATS on this board.

I seriously doubt that anyone here did NOT vote in 2010. We're all political junkies, we're all seriously engaged and informed, we're all politically aware, and we ALL VOTE. We all vote in every damn election, and we vote for Democrats. And if we complain about the Democrats we voted for, well it's our damn right to push them to act on our behalf when it looks like they're catering to the interests of lobbyists and moneyed donors over the interests of the voters - us.

So, I really have to wonder. Why are certain posters here more interested in creating divisions among us at the very moment in time when we are all focused on taking down a dangerous enemy?

There's something very wrong with this picture.

[hobbit709]

58. There's a word for that. It's Scandinavian in origin.

[bunnies]

83. shitstirringfuckwit is Scandinavian?

I never knew that!

[cui bono]

65. Well said.

Thank you!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

100. Good point.

[myrna minx]

130. Hear Hear! my friend.

It's wonderful to see you. I hope you're well.

[scarletwoman]

135. Hello to you, dear friend.

I'm well - and I'm OLD.

I'm so old I was an actual, real, honest-to-goodness hippie back in the day. And these latter-day upstart pipsqueak hippie-punchers are really harshing my mellow.

So I've got one thing to say to them: "Get off my fucking lawn!"

[myrna minx]

216. Yeah, especially when this nonsense isn't based upon any supporting facts, just truthiness.

Hey, we had a few hours of unity. It was kind of nice.

[suffragette]

147. I was about to post a similar point, but you said it MUCH better than I would, scarletwoman

Why the insistence on creating division at this moment when we are mostly in agreement?

[MNBrewer]

319. Well, the Republicans are blaming the shutdown on Democrats

so is this OP... Draw your own conclusions.

[suffragette]

391. Yep, drawing that same conclusion

[Jamastiene]

151. +trillions

For once, DU is united and there are some posters who can't seem to stand it. They want to blame the left on DU for what Teabagger Republicans are doing.

[Warren Stupidity]

153. ^speaks for me^

[Pholus]

218. Very insightful! Thanks for speaking so well about this.

I was planning to say exactly the same thing, but with much less tact.

Anyway, bookmarking the embarassing OP for future reference.

[Blue_In_AK]

234. Frankly, based on this and prior posts/comments by this individual,

I don't understand how he/she/it is allowed to remain on this site.

[onyourleft]

262. I agree.

Very well said.

[laundry_queen]

317. Yep.

They complain about the left not supporting Obama, then when everyone supports Obama, they attack the left.

Which leaves only one reason they are here.

They want to attack the left. It has nothing to do with Obama - they are here to troll, and disrupt, not support Obama.

[Vanje]

325. They are here to cyber-smite their enemies

They are here playing a penny arcade shooting game. Bells ring and they get points , and high-fives from imaginary friends, every time they plink a moving tin target of their terrible foes. THey think they "have Obama's back", but really their just plinking at targets, on the internet all day , every day while their asses get wider, and other, probably useful activities, remain undone.

"In 2009 someone called someone a "Stasi-Bot!" plink! Plink!

"Jane Hamsher!!, because.....Jane HAMSHER!!!!!""" plink. plink PLINK!


But make no mistake, this game is played for a high purpose.

One poster today or last night described her activity here as "protecting Democrats".



It must be exhausting "protecting Democrats" from leftists on the internet all day.

Thankyou for your service.

[MisterP]

390. don't forget "you wicked 70-Percenters always attack the Dems when they're fighting the GOP"

which they then immediately do any chance they get

[demmiblue]

52. Unrec. n/t

[Ohio Joe]

54. It's the fault of repugs... Except for the Dem's...

WTF? What kind of bullshit is this?

[Hydra]

62. He posts from this blog as often as he can

Apparently thinks the Militant Left is the Greatest threat to the Obama Presidency there is...you know, unlike the Republicans who can be trusted and worked with at all times.

[Vanje]

137. Its shit-stirring, blog-spamming, trolling bullshit.

The poster is not a friend of the Dems.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

55. Spandan, you're a child...

consistently wrong, and a total lightweight trying to play in the big leagues.

[Bjorn Against]

61. Quit trying to divide us with your right-wing trash

The left is united with the centrists on the issue of the shut down, we don't need people like you to drive a wedge between us during this moment of unity.

[cui bono]

63. Wait... people on the left only eat emos???

I've never heard of that!

[QC]

71. I hear that emos are actually quite tasty.

They also yield a valuable oil.

[Warren DeMontague]

66. the veeeples poo!

sorry, the people's view.

[QC]

74. The Peehole Spew. n/t

[bunnies]

78. ok.

I now officially love this thread.

[Dragonfli]

211. Isn't he also known as the "GloryHole troll" that lives in Lieberman's bathroom?

[robinlynne]

67. what nonsense. I was expecting a sarcasm emoticon, but it's missing.

[geek tragedy]

68. This is toxic trash. What on earth do you think you're accomplishing? nt

[cui bono]

75. Thanks for speaking up about it.

We've gone a few rounds in the past and it's nice to see you stand up to this.

[geek tragedy]

80. I'll disagree sharply with people on any subject, but this is so blatantly about scoring

points rather than advancing an idea or argument.

It's everything bad about the Internet, with horrid timing as well.

[scarletwoman]

93. I'll add my thanks. I appreciate the integrity behind the objection you've expressed.

[Vanje]

138. He did get 15 recs

The nasty dude sets a pretty obvious trap, ...but his bait is clearly tasty to some here.

[bunnies]

197. Thats the whole point of chumming. nt

[KG]

72. don't quit your barrista job, span.

[Tarheel_Dem]

81. K&R

[Bjorn Against]

88. I guess you are another one trying to destroy Democratic unity

At a time when nearly everyone on this site is united you applaud a post trying to drive a wedge between Democrats.

If you want to help the Republicans in that way go ahead, but most people on this site are united in stopping this shut down and we are not going to allow you or the OP to divide us.

[Tarheel_Dem]

112. OOO!

[Bjorn Against]

116. Ooo all you want, you clearly are trying to divide Democrats during a moment of unity

There are many times we truly are divided, but this is not one of those times. Progressives and centrists alike are united in stopping this shut down, if you want to drive a wedge between us then you are only helping the Republicans.

[Vanje]

139. Good one.

Be proud!

[rhett o rick]

192. Another one trying to split the party. I guess you are working for a Republican victory.

But then I bet you worship the ground that Republicans Gen Clapper and GEn Alexander walk on. Funny how a so-called "politically liberal" DU person would choose those REpublicans over Democrats like Sen Wyden and Rep Grayson.

[Tarheel_Dem]

253. Reread your post and tell me again about "splitting".

[Warren Stupidity]

84. I guess someone had to break the stunning solidarity here on DU.

Congratulations! The ranks were closed in support of our party and our president. Don't let anyone call you an asshole or a troll or a shit-stirring mother fucker. You've stood up and done what nobody else here could do.

Well done sir, well done.

[CakeGrrl]

467. How has 'solidarity' been broken? Do you no longer support the President because of this post?

It's interesting that the people screaming about 'divisiveness' of this post are the ones who typically otherwise go around under MOST other circumstances calling BOG members or anyone who isn't majorly disappointed in the President 'bots' and 'idiots' and 'cheerlearders' and 'apologists' and other lovely names - they just happen to deign to be 'supportive' on this front. Which is funny, considering how many of them were hopping the rec train for posts like "Can't trust Obama" just a couple of weeks ago.

I don't have to say "Emotarian", but anyone who took Big Ed's advice and stayed home in 2010 was an enabler to what we see today.

[Warren Stupidity]

468. So 4 days after fucknutz was evicted

for being a massive douchebag troll, you feel the need to stand up in his defense?

Perhaps you should ask earlg to rescind the eviction.

[CakeGrrl]

469. No, I'm making an independent observation about the responses to this post.

Upthread, I see a bunch of people making lists of who recced the post. Nothing to do with the OP.

Why? To call them MORE names than they already have, like "critters" and all that unifying stuff? To put them on ignore, if they didn't already follow earlier directives to just go to the BOG and put all members on ignore so their DU experience would improve?


I'm just calling out the irony(?) hypocrisy(?) of those lamenting the loss of 'solidarity' on this issue because of the unpleasant driving point of the post being those who don't seem to give a rat's ass otherwise.

[Warren Stupidity]

87. Wait - Lozocolo, is that you?

[bunnies]

95. At least Lozocolo put up a fight.

This one just shits and runs. Doesnt even defend his bullshit. This one is the worst kind...

[WorseBeforeBetter]

114. The site owners seem to be OK with it.

Shitting and sticking around I'd *almost* have some respect for, but shitting and running is just weak.

[bunnies]

158. I couldnt agree more. nt

[Fumesucker]

104. Remember LoZo's battle cry?

Fuck Nader!

Any troll can come on DU and get an instant adoring fan club just by hippie punching the left.

[Spirochete]

113. Naw, he's an even bigger douche.

Probably Operation Mind Crime, still sulking about Lieberman losing the primaries.

[Dragonfli]

213. I was thinking along the same lines, see post #211

[Spirochete]

225. LOL

Twisted minds often think alike.

[laundry_queen]

318. HAHAHA, I'd forgotten about that.

Sounds just like him.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

123. As much of a douche as that one was. At least he had a sense of humor. nt

[Starry Messenger]

267. My theory--Political Tiger/BoomerangDiddle from circa 2008

Sockmeister extraordinaire and totally unhinged. Claimed to be a gay dude, might have also been Indian-American. Used to dump screeds like this on DU. Dump being the operative word...

[QC]

277. Yep, there's a definite match here.

Do you remember the night he came to DU drunk and got his personae mixed up?

High comedy!

[Starry Messenger]

284. I'll never forget that.

It should be enshrined as a Top Ten DU Fail, lol!

[QC]

288. It's right up there with the apologist thread

in the ranks of Great DU Moments.

[Starry Messenger]

302. That's practically in a class of its own!

[ljm2002]

91. Nothing but flamebait...

...

[WilliamPitt]

97. Jury: 3-3 to keep it.

Last edited Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:59 PM - Edit history (1)

My comment on my alert, for what it's worth: "Shit-stirring, period, and to no good end at all. Might as well post Free Republic threads blaming Democrats for the shutdown. Jurors, I implore you: help the community and show that this kind of invective isn't to be tolerated in so diverse a community of liberals. With my thanks."

[cui bono]

136. I alerted as well and it had already been alerted.

One more rule that should be considered: If a post is alerted x number of times it should be hidden.

Of course that opens it up to a mob targeting people. But letting this stand is ridiculous and it's "interesting" how there are several people who rec'd that have not commented on the thread.

[Vanje]

143. Thanks for trying.

The OP is pure garbage.

[Warren Stupidity]

149. I alerted too "Hi Skinner, isn't this about enough already from this jerk?"

Perhaps the message will get through.

[TeeYiYi]

154. FYI...Yours was not the alert that went to a jury...

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

Mail Message
At Wed Oct 2, 2013, 05:06 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

The Emotarian Left Bears Responsibility for The #GOPshutdown
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023770634

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Right wing flamebait from a right wing troll.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Oct 2, 2013, 05:14 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: michigandem58 has been flogging his blog, thepeoplesview, for awhile now. Although I don't necessarily agree with michigandem58, I don't see this post as hide-worthy; especially in light of the new '5-hide' rules now in effect. So, leave it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: So tired of the hippie punching.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: I agree. I personally think that this poster is only on DU to flamebait and cause division.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
_____

TYY

[TDale313]

243. I was Juror 4

Very sorry to see it stood.

[Rex]

187. +1

nt.

[djean111]

102. Maybe for next time - no recs, no comments?

I think the objective here was, sadly, accomplished.
And yeah, I made the second comment. Never again.

[tkmorris]

103. This "analysis" is laughably wrong

That blog is complete garbage, and you have dropped another pile of feces from it into GD and sped off without responding to anyone. Must be Wednesday.

[Scootaloo]

109. Can't help but notice that michigandem isn't posting replies on the thread he started

[rhett o rick]

236. He is off to start a fire elsewhere. nm

[Fumesucker]

118. The odd thing is that the politicians seem to be totally unaware of this fact

Else they wouldn't go out of their way to demotivate those who would vote for them.

[joshcryer]

133. can't disagree with facts

OPs framing is crap though

[cui bono]

142. The left voted in 2010.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023770634#post14

[Warren Stupidity]

152. we always fucking vote. Always. And we always get blamed for the "reagan democrats" dissertion.

[Vanje]

150. But you didnt

You did,nt disagree .
You recc'd the steamy turd.

Elections are important.
Do you think degrading , name calling posts like the OP help to get "Emotarians" to sign up and vote?
Is the OP successful in INSPIRING reluctant liberals to action?
Was it an invitation to join the choir and make a solid, and unstoppable voice?
Was it a rallying to unity?

Is that what you read?

Because I read a bunch of derisive shit-stirring.

[bhikkhu]

263. Point taken, and you are right. nt

[Fumesucker]

117. Even negative attention is better than no attention at all

And the only type of attention michigandem58 is capable of attracting is negative.

More sad than anything.

[whatchamacallit]

119. Thanks for another pantload, Spandan!

[Vanje]

120. Aw Jeez

[SidDithers]

124. DU rec, just for Junkdrawer...

since they thought it was so important to call me out up thread.



Sid

[Junkdrawer]

126. For me....

Aw Sid, you shouldn't have...

[msanthrope]

161. Hell, I recced it because I wanted to get on the infamous 'list' above. Apparently, the cool thing

now is to post lists of our enemies....based on a post's recs.

[sendero]

128. What a load of bollocks..

... Obama abandoned the people who elected him and so they abandoned him. He did almost nothing with the congress he was given so he lost it.

Obama tore himself down with his endless "compromise" crap and his failure to shift decisively away from the policies of his predecessor. He is reaping the result of his quixotic compromise at this very moment, along with 800,000 other people.

If he wants to understand the cause of his predicament he can look in the mirror.

[msanthrope]

181. You are making the point of the OP. nt

[AgingAmerican]

255. That isn't the point of the OP

The OP is projecting. The wishy washy centrists, women, youth, and Independents didn't come out, or voted GOP. The left are the ONLY ones who came out and voted in 2010.

[msanthrope]

276. As an election observer who visited no less than 35 polls that day, and who worked for

several candidates, I can tell you that the OP is inflamatory...and correct. Were you on the ground in 2010? Because I was.

[Bluenorthwest]

299. The facts don't support your theory. Oregon, Blue, liberal Oregon set turnout records

while California, Blue, pot smoking California joined us and Washington in electing Democrats, passing good legislation and moving forward. If the OP was correct, why did the most liberal States have great turnout and big victories while the States doing the 'we have to run moderate centrists' routine had low turnout and lost elections like mad?
We were all 'on the ground' in 2010. You were working 'polling places' so you were in some State not my own. Which State is yours and how did you do in the end.
In some regions, it was youth and minority voters who did not return after 2008. In some regions, meaning 'in regions where they were asked to vote for Blue Dogs'.

[msanthrope]

340. That's Oregon. I'm in PA. Here, we lost a Senate seat and a governorship because the far Left

couldn't generate the votes for their candidates--and I remember this fight--we told 'em, told 'em there was NO WAY Joe Sestak was going to take PA. And sure enough, once it was Sestak and not Spector, the farthest Left could not get the votes out. Why? Because you can't excoriate the President for all his 'mistakes' and still motivate his base.

I will never, ever forget Sestak and his crew telling PA voters that even though the President wasn't doing what they wanted, HE was going to go to DC and be the big, bad, progressive that was going to light a fire under the President's feet. HE was going to be the progressive that fixed it all. Well, that was demotivational.

Guess what? Democrats stayed home because the message from the far Left was too negative. And we got Senator Toomey, in a landslide.

THANKFULLY, Elizabeth Warren's people paid heed to that. She did not run on the Debby Downer Democrat platform that promised to fix the President--she promised to fix the CONGRESS. Guess what??? She WON.

As a personal aside, I still worked my ass off to ensure people who came to polls were able to vote. I'd do that for any candidate.

[AgingAmerican]

352. You are wrong

There was no 'message from the far left'. You are making things up.

[msanthrope]

361. Sorry--I need to go finish reading up on how the President is going to kill us all with catfood...nt

[AgingAmerican]

366. Now you are being silly

nt

[Bluenorthwest]

464. PA still has legal discrimination against gay people, so you don't have many liberals.Much lesss

a 'left' much less a 'far left'.
We don't have polls and the State makes it easy for everyone to vote. If you guys were not so stuck in the centrist mud you'd not have 'issues' at the polls. But you do. So keep losing those elections and sputtering blame at 'liberals'. Each election I hear about PA, Ohio, Florida, long lines confusion, missing ballots, photo ID, electronic video game voting...every election, same few States that just can't get it together......'cause of the 'far left'!!!!!!!!!

[AgingAmerican]

356. If the OP is so correct

...why did the person who wrote it get BANNED for writing it?

MIR Team (EarlG) banned michigandem58

Have a nice day.

[msanthrope]

367. I suspect his "post and run" style of flamebait wasn't appreciated. I do think that the subject of

lowered voter turnout in the census elections should be discussed, though.

What campaign did you work for in 2010, and what were your experiences on the ground?

[AgingAmerican]

370. I have worked on many campaigns and get out the vote drives

...including Obama's, for several decades. I don't have to prove anything to you, and I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you over it.

Have a nice day

[msanthrope]

372. No need for a pissing contest! We just need to all do a better job getting out the vote

in 2014.

Because these bastards cannot be allowed to stay in office.

[AgingAmerican]

375. Indeed!

nt

[LanternWaste]

385. I perceive a precise and relevant difference between discussion and accusation.

I perceive a precise and relevant difference between discussion and accusation. However, I imagine the dogmatic mind may fail to grasp that, regardless of the alleged work one advertises...

[msanthrope]

386. I think you have it, precisely. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

131. *hide thread*

Tired of the divisiveness.

ALL of it.

[FSogol]

156. Same here. Sheeessh. How is this productive of anything?

[Warren DeMontague]

144. "VOOOOOO-lare!"

[fadedrose]

184. +++

[marmar]

148. Just when you think your OPs can't sink any lower.......

You plumb new depths.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

155. Hear that?

?zz=1

[Supersedeas]

311. well done

[kestrel91316]

167. Well if there was any doubt about what you're about, there isn't now.

[morningfog]

169. T R O L L

[Dragonfli]

170. Please stop posting that right wing anti-progressive spam here, or replace it with Alex Jones

He is at least worth a laugh while he insults most Democrats and doesn't really blame Democrats for shit done by Republicans like shutting down the government.

I know you think the only true Scotsmen are those few corporate sell outs on par with or to the right of Rahm Emmanuel, but that Koch inspired DLC infiltration crew is really kinda fringe in the party.

The big money corporate Dems may have all the money but are few in number and are basically Republicans with saner social policies, not the huge heart of the donkey that you think they are and nobody really much likes them or their cooties.

[rug]

182. Egotarian: one who values personality over policy.

[Iggo]

179. Gawd forbid we all be on the same side for a minute.

By all means, proceed with the divide-and-conquer.

[hrmjustin]

186. I really wish that the peoples view was not considered a good site to post here on DU.

I can not say I really care for it. I can not say I see too many here posting their stuff here. Except a few.

[bunnies]

191. Wouldnt it be nice if we could have a petition to expell them from DU?

I thought of starting one, but worried it would be considered a "call-out".

[hrmjustin]

196. I was thinking of people going to ATA and asking skinner to not allow the peoples view to be

posted here.

[bunnies]

205. Im with you.

100%. Wish there was some way all of us could express that. No one except the demcentrist equivalent of the tea party wants this bullshit here. That should count for something.

[hrmjustin]

209. I may be wrong about this but it seems to me that posting the stuff from this site

is done to get people angry here and not in a good way. I may be wrong but that is my opinion.

[bunnies]

212. Once again, I couldnt agree with you more.

Interestingly, I was just informed that people cant be held to their views from one thread to another by a DUer that rec'd this bullshit then posted something on unity. Strange days.

[rhett o rick]

235. I agree with you. nm

[morningfog]

297. To disrupt is the sole purpose. And by previously banned poster.

The admins should look into it. This return poster is not posting in good faith. They are a disruptor, plain and simple.

[hrmjustin]

351. He is gone.

Automated Message
MIR Team (EarlG) banned michigandem58

Mail Message
Reason:
Troll.

http://www.democraticunderground.com?com=profile&uid=292212&sub=trans

Real name:
DU Member for: 12 months, 4 days
Posts: 1,044
Recommendations: 349
Star member: No

[morningfog]

373. I knew that was going to sink him. Great to see.

[hrmjustin]

376. I hate to say this but when I got the notification in my mail I was happy. He was disruptive.

[Rex]

193. It's not, but I've seen the American Spectator, Daily Mail

Foxnews and the Weekly Standard quoted here so I guess more RWing propaganda is nothing new.

[hrmjustin]

203. Yes I hate that. I have to say though I have not seen anyone except the OP use this site.

[Rex]

204. Oh same here, I believe that IS the blog owner.

IMO.

[hrmjustin]

207. Yes I think so as well.

[Fumesucker]

220. Andrew "The Bell Curve makes sense" Sullivan had a much recced piece up lately

[QC]

280. Sully has been a a DU hero for years now.

All those years of raging right wing assholism suddenly meant nothing when he said some nice things about Obama.

Calling liberals fifth columnists, endorsing racist books, attacking gays for promiscuity while soliciting bareback sex, cheerleading for the Iraq War, singing the praises of Bush--all were forgiven when he praised Obama.

[rhett o rick]

194. Funny thing is that the founder of that site claims to be progressive but those here that

link to it are those that are always disparaging the progressives.

[hrmjustin]

201. Well he does not want to have too heavy a hand. The site is not allowed in LBN.

[neverforget]

210. This blogger/poster gets off on Hippy Punching. Pretty sad that DUers rec this shit.

[bunnies]

214. Sadder still when those who rec this thread go on to post about unity.

"History Repeats Itself"

[WorseBeforeBetter]

221. Or post some *hard-hitting* Facebook graphic...

and all is right with the world. See, I'm on YOUR side!

[bunnies]

270. lol!

Who knew it was that easy! What happens in the thread, stays in the thread!

[sheshe2]

226. Ah! You trash me on my own thread and you trash me here too. That's sad Bunnies.

And you speak of Unity~ Got it.

Here is the link!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023771265

[bunnies]

272. Please feel free to take the time to go through this thread...

and respond to everyone who addressed those who rec'd it. I do believe Ive even seen your name a time or two. Looks like promoting disunity is expected of you.

[muriel_volestrangler]

274. You are attacking the supporters of the president. See #273. You are the problem here.

[leftstreet]

222. But it motivates some of us to finally do Jury Blacklist

What a crap OP

[morningfog]

298. Fuck Spanden!

[LWolf]

217. Self-centrist, apologist, 3rd-way

neo-liberals bear responsibility for the rush to the right and the rush to corporatism that has destroyed the nation and lost the support of the left.

"Stuff it" yourself, and good luck trying to lecture and shame the left into shutting the fuck up, lining up, and voting your line.

THAT'S MY FUCKING REPLY TO THAT.

[bullwinkle428]

219. Worst DU thread ever. At least until next week,

whenever Spandork the Omnipotent decides to puke all over his keyboard again.

[Douglas Carpenter]

223. is it not a peculiar coincidence that most of the people who recommended this OP always supported

the NSA surveillance program and wanted to launch a military attack on Syria? I'm trying to decipher a common thread of thinking.

[morningfog]

224. That Spandan Chakrabarti is sure a painfully stupid writer. Why do you post their bile here?

[rhett o rick]

239. Because the aim is to disrupt and split the party. nm

[TroglodyteScholar]

228. Everyone should note that this is a COMPLETE hit-and-run post.

The poster hasn't bothered to reply at all. Just started the shitstorm and disappeared. That should get you thinking.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

232. Noted. And noted with all of the other Spandan threads.

He/his dutiful little minion Michigan dude rarely stick around. I'd like to know why it's tolerated by the site owners. If you're going to fling shit, at least stick around to have it flung back.

[creeksneakers2]

230. This essay lacks evidence

There were people on the left who advocated not voting in 2010, but I don't see any evidence to show that there were enough of them to make a difference.

[grantcart]

233. jesus christ on a cracker

do you have no sense of context or timing.

There is a time to make a point and there is a time link arms.

What time do you think this is?

Show that you can take the high road and use the button called "edit".

A clear and earnest heartfelt apology will actually go along way.

[Fumesucker]

244. I think the OP has an excellent sense of context and timing for their purpose

[cthulu2016]

251. ^^^ This

[QC]

282. Bingo.

[morningfog]

300. He's on borrowed time at DU.

[Iggo]

343. Yep.

[morningfog]

394. And now he's gone!

[Bluenorthwest]

287. This OP is the Voice of Centrist Democrats and it is exactly like many other posts on

DU that deal in invective toward liberals and gay people and peace activists. A hair more intense than say your work, but it is the same tone and theme. Name calling, flame throwing and an underpinning of contempt for minorities defines this OP as well as the work of the BOG. It just does. This sort of work is made possible by the work of many other DUers who type 'you all just hate Larry Summers, it is abject hate!' and those who type 'Latin America is but a cyst on the anus of the world' and those who say 'you gays have plenty of rights already' and those who type 'hair on fire' about anyone who does not agree with them 100% lockstep. This sort of thread exists because of the threads much like it started by others. It exists because so many rec this thread, there is the guy who always kicks and recs this OP's threads because he says 'it pisses off all the right people'.
Clean your own yard before you try to pose as a member of the country club.

[grantcart]

310. No its not

The OP is a relatively new DUer that is a one trick pony that offers nothing in the way of dialogue and represents himself.

[rhett o rick]

328. Did you notice who rec'd this OP? Seems the OP speaks for a number of well known posters here.

I am glad he doesnt speak for you.

[grantcart]

338. meh 300 replies and he gets 2 dozen recs

Some people will rec it because they feel like they are under assault by people who keep track of who is in which group.

No one speaks for me.

Even when I speak for myself I disagree with what I say about half of the time.

[Bluenorthwest]

455. The company one keeps as they say.

The quotes I mentioned are all from those who claim to be THE supporters of Obama. It is what it is.

[rhett o rick]

241. If disruption is your goal, you succeeded. Bonus is in order. nm

[LeftyMom]

248. Until I saw the link I assumed this was a work of parody.

[rhett o rick]

305. I think TPV is funded by the Koch Bros. Goal is to disrupt the DEmocratic Party. And

the conservatives among us are helping.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

315. Could be, or it could be a crass grab at advertising hits at his blog-site.

One of the stalwarts of the Barack Obama Group here says he/she can vouch for the blog author; says he used to be against Obama but has come around to "100% support".

If we take that assertion as true, then the OP is posting about him/herself as the Emotarian Center-Right who is as much or more responsible for Boehner's role as Speaker as any other voter / non-voter.

[rhett o rick]

323. Some people will worship anyone that claims to love Obama. This site (TPV)

damages the Democratic Party.

[cthulu2016]

250. The author of that blog is a moron. Thanks for the constant sharing.

[Agnosticsherbet]

252. I am more of an ecstatic agnostic than an emotarian....

I voted and was happy to do so.

[hrmjustin]

254. I hate hit and run posting. The OP could at least post in the threads a bit.

[deathrind]

256. This post is correct.

After 8 yrs and two wars of the bush admin Dem's showed up in record numbers to elect President Obama... but two years later in 2010 Dem's turnout was pathetic. The over arching message of this post is correct. President Obama was never going to take office and strong arm republicans to see things as Dem's want. Compromise is the only way opposing parties ever come to agreements. But since President Obama did not take office and immediately stop both wars, close Gitmo, hold Wall Street accountable and address an entire litany of other republican injustice during their time in power Dem's did not show up to vote. So now here we are... the fault for our current FUBAR situation lay with both sides not just one.

[AgingAmerican]

257. Wrong

The centrists, youth, women and Independents didn't vote. The left were the only voting block that came out in droves.

The purpose of the OP is to divide and make us lose the house and senate in 2014. Don't fall for the trap.

[Douglas Carpenter]

266. correct

[QC]

283. Sorry, but it is objectively wrong, as exit polling from the time shows.

It was not liberals who stayed home in 2010--it was the so-called moderates and independents.

[JoeyT]

258. Man, y'all don't even attempt to hide it anymore.

I'm loving how several of the people that recced this thread are screaming and tearing at their hair in other threads about how people are being all divisive.

Threads like this make me miss unrec.

[MannyGoldstein]

260. I thought *I* was the Bally table king

But I just handed my pinball crown to michigandem58!

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

[bemildred]

290. Indeed, a superb effort, I stand in awe. nt

[LostOne4Ever]

269. This thread sucks

We should be uniting in an effort to defeat the american taliban rather than dreging up old crap to fight over.

[fredamae]

278. Why do Voters Always

get solely blamed for failed elections when the Likely reason is the Congress people they Elected failed in their job performance(s)?

Why not hold politicians themselves at Least partially responsible-ever?
Many are tired of settling. Low turnout isn't just a symptom of casual dissatisfaction-it's a symptom also-of Being Tired of Having to choose between the "lesser" of two evils and the realization of campaign lies/mistruths and associated corruption that factually exists in BOTH parties.
Not voting? It goes way deeper than being spoiled-and Neither party is Willing to listen to these constituency complaints and and make NO effort to try to correct..that would excite the electorate every bit as much as if there were a true progressive (not just a mouth piece) candidate.
We've already lost our place at the table and "we" are forgotten/ignored immediately after they get the keys to their DC ofc-decades ago and Now being dissatisfied with the quality of their work is "our" fault too?

[QC]

286. +1

[underthematrix]

281. The real reason Americans have terrorists in the House

is the level of ignorance of the American people.

[fredamae]

296. Partially, I agree

However-WE no longer get to Choose Who the candidates are and when the state Reduces education/skews history/reduces access to factual information/resources...what would you do? Believe the person with the "nice eyes, strong commitments and other sweet nothings" or stand up and challenge him/her when the ONLY info you have is what they tell you?
Most of these folks are So uninformed-have been "taught" not to question anything beyond whats in front of them that they can't even think of....Questions to ask them.
If we can't choose who the candidates are--how is it the electorates fault?

[randome]

285. Republicans. 'Nuff said.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[Puzzledtraveller]

289. Emotarian, sounds like an alien race from classic Star Trek

"Captains Log, Stardate 10032013, we have just enteted orbit around Emo-Prime a class BS planet orbiting......"

[NuclearDem]

293. We come in peace YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD

[X_Digger]

294. *hide thread* -- and this post means I won't have to jury a post in it! Yay! n/t

[Autumn]

321. What a beautiful day it is! EarlG rocks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=292212&sub=trans

[QC]

327. Excellent.

[Autumn]

331. He should try pushing his craplog on DFP.

They don't seem to like DU either.

[QC]

334. Yes, they would eat it up over there in that trollfest.

Imagine, a place where NJmaverick is the house intellectual.

[Puglover]

339. Yummie, can't you imagine

the bliss of marinating in his musings?

[QC]

379. Remember how he would always learn a new word or phrase

(like "intellectually dishonest&quot and then seize every opportunity to use it for weeks afterward?

Ah, to be eleven years old again....

[bvar22]

458. LOL.....literally!!!

[font size=3]"Imagine, a place where NJmaverick is the house intellectual."[/font]


Oh man. Make it stop.
I can't breathe.

[QC]

463. It really is mindboggling. n/t

[joeybee12]

322. The shit you post gets more disgusting daily...nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

326. Awww, I guess your little fans can still continue to post that vomitous blog on your behalf. Bye

jerkoff!!

[Puglover]

336. Thank you very much Earlg.

Took ya long enough!

Very good move for DU!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=292212&sub=trans

[KG]

337. so long and thanks for all fish.

[backscatter712]

341. Buh-bye, asshole!

Now, if Skinner would take a looooong look at who recommended this thread...

[Puglover]

342. I note the list has already shrunk by one.

[City Lights]

347. Interesting.

Vewy, vewy intewesting.

[hrmjustin]

346. Thank you EarlG.

Automated Message
MIR Team (EarlG) banned michigandem58

Mail Message
Reason:
Troll.

http://www.democraticunderground.com?com=profile&uid=292212&sub=trans

Real name:
DU Member for: 12 months, 4 days
Posts: 1,044
Recommendations: 349
Star member: No

[Warren Stupidity]

350. The Derp is Done.

Thanks EarlG!

[alarimer]

354. Bullshit

Fuck apologists for right-wing Democrats.

Fuck this author too.

[hobbit709]

357. What will all the reccers do now?

[darkangel218]

374. Go in hiding?

[cthulu2016]

377. Continue posting MichiganDem-lite hate 24/7/365

[City Lights]

380. They're still coming.

Last time I jotted down the names there were 22. Now there are 23.

[QC]

383. They will just line up with the next right wing asshole that comes along. n/t

[MNBrewer]

392. Hang out in The BOG, of course.

[winter is coming]

395. Take up a hobby?

http://www.knitpicks.com/patterns/view-all-patterns/two-at-once-toe-up-sock-pattern.html

[joshcryer]

406. same thing BBI reccers did?

[Bonobo]

475. BBI?

What's that?

[joshcryer]

480. Better Believe It, a notorious troll here.

Here's a thread with a bunch of recs: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=1002485921&info=1#recs

I don't think anyone should be ostracized for their recs.

[Bonobo]

481. I agree, but why in hell do you have that link SAVED? nt

[joshcryer]

482. I Googled it.

Took me a few minutes to find a thread of his you rec'd.

It's invariable, I think I did rec one or two of the OP's threads (I never rec'd a thread after he PM rec begged, however, and I went back and unrec'd the one thread I'd rec'd before that I knew about because PM begging is BS), one might be able to find a thread of the OPs I rec'd but it'd have to be a fairly long ways back (OK, a few pages in my rec history). We all get duped by trolls or find ourselves agreeing with their underlying arguments.

To your credit in the 5-10 search results I found this was the only one you rec'd. Just posted the first one to get at you. Yes, troll-rec's happen. So what. The person I was responding to may have thought it meant we should ban anyone who rec's a banned persons threads. I know Electric Monk came close to recommending that authoritarian idea (Skinner questioned his reasoning and he never responded). Nonsense. People have their own reasons for recs. The only thing that should determine a ban is their language.

[B Calm]

363. Obama won Romney's home states, also Ohio

[Rex]

388. Really?

Poor troll...now where will you post your RWing crap?

EDIT - http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=292212

[DisgustipatedinCA]

410. You got what you had coming.

And for a select few, this should be a teachable moment. Be careful what kind of fuckface you make common cause with. We could all see he was a troll. Those who recced this thread and all of his others should be able to see the same.

[Warren DeMontague]

418. Oh No!

How will we get our daily dose of the Vorpal Spew, now?

[Taverner]

420. "Emotarian Bobblehead"????

I am surprised this drive by hasn't been hidden

I'm not alerting on it

[Rex]

444. NO need to...the OP has been shown the door.

NO MORE The Peoples Spew...at least not until he comes back under another name. Sigh.

[Taverner]

447. This trolling troll is being a troll!

I should know, I've fallen into trollness at times

[Rex]

451. I think everyone does and everyone (if you are here long enough)

gets called a troll, obama hater, obama lover, dare you breath air lover/hater, etc..

However the blog owner refused to vote for Obama and yet had the guts to come here and bash Dems like he was an authority or something...which leads to the rule; troll poorly and get shown the door shortly.

[Taverner]

452. Sounds like a Trollish Republican

[Rex]

453. Here is what he said about Obama before the first election

"Lest you think this is because I was personally offended as a gay man, you are right. But it wasn't only because of that that I made this decision. I draw the line in the sand when politicians pander to any group and sacrifice their stated goals of equal dignity under law and associate themselves, willingly, with known bigots of any kind, be they racists, sexists or homophobes. This is such a line. Obama has crossed it. Good riddance, Barack Obama." - Spandan C.

Good riddance?

I don't think so.

[hrmjustin]

431. I love BOG posters. I may or may not agree with them on an issue but I still love them.

[Douglas Carpenter]

465. perhaps a kick for old time sake

[spanone]

470. the media continues to lie to the american people. carrying the banner that it's all of congress.

utter horse manure.

[Warren DeMontague]

472. Hey dude! Still banned?

Yeah, thought so.

[morningfog]

483. Kick!