OReilly To Fluke: "You want me to give you my hard earned money so you can have sex?"

[kpete]

Bill O’Reilly’s attack is not only sexist and mean spirited, he has his facts completely wrong. Fluke is advocating for contraception to be covered under Georgetown University’s private insurance plan. Fluke became active on the issue “after her friend developed ovarian cysts and found that the oral contraception she needed to stop the cysts from growing was not covered under the school’s insurance.”

Later in the broadcast O’Reilly said: “So let me get this straight, Ms. Fluke, and I ask this with all due respect, I am: You want me to give you my hard earned money so you can have sex.” He also states that, while he opposes contraception coverage, Viagra should be covered.

video & more:
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2012/03/02/437076/bill-oreilly-attacks-sandra-fluke/

[liberal N proud]

1. Jumping on the Limbaugh meesage, just not as harsh words.

But the ignorance spews forth.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

9. I can't remember who it was. But many years ago

one of his guests called him "Rush Limbaugh with perfume". He was spot on.

[ronnie624]

47. Bishop John Spong

A smiling, soft spoken, dedicated progressive of the Episcopal Church.

"Everything is a spin on this program. There's nothing wrong with that. You do it with great style. You're sort of a Rush Limbaugh with perfume."

I watched the interview. He tied O'Reilly in knots.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

49. Thanks. Can't find the video. Maybe the ''Fox Police'' purged it from the intertubes. But I

did find the transcript.

http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/transcripts/spongoreilly.htm

[11 Bravo]

53. Thanks for that G W C. An excellent read!

[quaker bill]

61. Try Shelby Spong

I most often hear of him referred to by that name.

[dixiegrrrrl]

2. Everything boils down to sex with these Regressives.

I swear, sex and violence are the underlying issues with them.

[MarkCharles]

4. Sex and violence is all they do or understand. n/t

[Maine-ah]

80. I don't think they really under stand sex, either.

[Kookaburra]

12. It's all about control

They don't care about sex, except that if people have more sex they're usually happier, and people who are happier usually don't vote for republicans, and ... well you see where I'm going here.

[Tennessee Gal]

13. and race .... don't forget race.

[UpInArms]

3. if all the flucknuts take up the torch

(of burning women) - do you suppose that they will think that makes it all go away?

looks like a duck
quacks like a duck
smells like a duck

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

5. Let me guess. This splotchy ass clown looked at his ratings

and decided to jump on the bandwagon to get attention.

[Drale]

6. O'Reilly has never worked hard a day in his life. /nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

11. He seemed pretty dedicated at the whole sexual harrassment

thing. Other than that........

[Andy823]

17. True

Being an asshole isn't hard work, not for him, it's just what he is!

[liberal_mama]

50. That's right! He calls what he does "work?"

He's an idiot and a pervert.

[Atman]

7. How is YOUR money involved, Mr. O'Reilly? Please explain.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002378013

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. hard earned money ?!

[Historic NY]

19. Its hard being a GOP prostitute on Fox News..,.

he has to go out everyday and put lipstick on a pig.

[treestar]

26. +1

Thank for for taking the time to make that very appropriate set of smilies.

[HappyMe]

10. I would have been more surprised if O'Lielly

didn't jump on the RL bandwagon.
Two old fools running their mouths. It's all they know how to do.

[Cant trust em]

14. It's the women who take the pills, but its so that men can have sex too.

It takes two to tango.

Tango here is a metaphor here for sex.

[Loudmxr]

15. Why should I spend my money to have hard sex with you?

There is the O'Falafel response.

And you know it!!!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. I'm still in stitches about the "hard earned" part.

[WI_DEM]

18. Bill O'Reilly: Limbaugh with a velvet glove.

I guess these guys feel like real men for attacking a 30 year old college student and personalizing this.

[PA Democrat]

20. There is no government money involved!!!!

Students at Georgetown pay their own premiums. If the religious institution does not want to cover contraceptives, the insurance company provides it free of charge because...

it saves them money in the long run.

Why is everyone in the media letting these blowhards get away with lying about the use of tax dollars?

[nenagh]

21. Wow...thanks...

Very interesting...the students pay for their insurance premiums...not O'Reilly ... NB info, thanks again.

[Odin2005]

22. But it's OK to pay for Viagra so creepy old men can still have sex.

[elias7]

59. With creepy old women?

[csziggy]

64. In O'Reilly's case it's so he can sexually harass employees

Just research his history.

[HopeHoops]

23. O'Reilly hasn't worked a day in his life. All he does is go on tirades and talk over people.

That's not "work".

[hfojvt]

24. How is it wrong though?

If Billo is speaking for those who are covered under Georgetown's insurance, then they will be paying more so that other people can have sex. For every woman taking birth control for a medical reason, like cysts, there are probably 99 women taking it so they can have sex without getting pregnant.

[Ikonoklast]

34. You couldn't be more wrong.

You are either deliberately missing the point, or have no clue as to how risk is spread by insurance companies and how that lowers costs for all in that class of insured.

[hfojvt]

52. you couldn't be less convincing

You are either deliberately missing the point, or have no clue how to make a logical argument based on facts and sans insults.

[Ikonoklast]

54. You created a position O'Reilly never took, then based an argument on that fabrication.

Straw Man.

How does O'Reilly's tax money paid to the Federal government end up paying for a Georgetown law student's PRIVATE insurance?

Answer: it doesn't.

Explain to me then how risk is assessed by insurance companies, and spread among policyholders.

[hfojvt]

63. uhm, the point is that Billo is speaking FOR others.

Suppose I am a Georgetown student and I have private insurance that does not cover birth control. Now the Government steps in and forces them to cover birth control. What happens to my premiums? Do I, or do I not, end up paying more because of that extra coverage. Sure, the extra coverage benefits some people, but it does not benefit me. Some people are asking other people to buy them stuff that THEY want.

Risk? What is risk? A risk implies something unexpected. There is a chance, hopefully small, that I could get into an accident and get hurt. There is a risk that lighning or bad wiring could start my house on fire. There is no risk that I will have to cut my grass. That is a certainty. Homeowners insurance does not pay for grass cutting. If it did, we would all be paying more.

Which might not be so bad, since we all have to cut our grass. However, there is also a certainty that dandylions will grow in my law. Some people spray poisons on their dandylions to get rid of them. If homeowners insurance covered the cost of spraying dandylions, that would not be "sharing of risk" it would be a subsidy paid to those who spray dandylions by those who don't.

[shcrane71]

70. Ask any physician, insurance actuary, or mathematician... childbirth is exponentially more expensive

than birth control. It's that simple.

[shcrane71]

68. You are spot on! In my 20s, my health insurance premiums were much higher than that of an elderly

mans. Why? Because 20-something women have babies, and that's expensive. Who picked up the costs? Not men, but women in that demographic. Thank you Obama and all the brave Dems who voted for Healthcare reform that spreads the costs of births to the entire population, and not just women.

[eShirl]

38. You are in error if you think pregnancy & childbirth are cheaper than hormonal contraceptives.

[hfojvt]

51. I think you are in error

because even without the insurance company paying for it, most women are going to still use birth control. Sorta like they already do today.

[shcrane71]

69. Listen to eShirl.

[loyalsister]

67. Without access to any kind of BC

most of those 99 women will still have sex. BC does not open that door. The difference between having it covered and not is more women get pregnant.
People who have children they do not want or can not afford to support is not good for any of those parties.
The claim that BC increases sex is bull. The truth is, it reduces the likelihood of problems that conservatives also love to rant about.

[hfojvt]

73. this is not about a denial of access

it is about a subsidy. If BC is not covered under insurance, people can (and will) still get it on their own. In the latter case, those who want it will be the ones paying for it, instead of having other people help pay for it.

But the other thing is true as well. For most of them, if they are not having sex, they would not need the pill. They need the pill not for some medical condiditon, but so that they can have sex without worrying about the consequences.

[loyalsister]

75. Two questions

Are you a man?
Are financial limitations beyond your experience?

If you are not or have not been a woman with financial limitations who has had to strenuously argue with a trusted husband\boyfriend to use a condom to avoid pregnancy, you have no clue what it means to have access to affordable birth control.

Not all but many women have had those experiences. BC is not about a social life or even an intimate relationship. It's about avoiding the reality of difficult decisions.

[Sparkly]

71. Let me count the ways.

1. It does NOT mean people's insurance premiums will go up. If anything, costs associated with the results of NOT having access to healthcare/birth control are higher.

2. Women pay for health insurance.

3. People have sex. So what if women WERE using birth control to avoid getting pregnant? Why is that seen as a "recreational" frill rather than NORMAL human functioning??

4. It's nobody's business why women are taking ANY prescribed drugs. It's their health, their bodies, their choice.

5. Billo said "Why should *I* pay..." It's been framed as a matter of taxpayers giving FREE stuff away to people who aren't paying, which is the big emotional hot button for right-wingers. Now added to the stereotype of the Lazy Welfare Queen, we have the Oversexed College Coed.

[hfojvt]

74. Well, it so happens that I, myself, ask the same question as Billo

Why should "I" pay?

1. The other obvious question is this - if covering birth control means that insurance company costs will go down, then why aren't insurance companies ALREADY doing it in order to increase their profits. Why does the government have to step in and force the issue? Is that because insurance companies hate making money?

2. So? What else are you gonna tell me that is obvious? The sun rises in the East? Water is wet? Their insurance currently does not provide them with $1200 in automatic benefits, but it does cover them if they break an arm, need and EGD or knee surgery or an appendectomy. I am sure they will be happy to pay another $10 a month to get their $1200 in automatic benefits. However, what do I get out of it?

3. Not everybody has sex. Not everybody has the opportunity, and unlike catching pneumonia or getting banged up in a car accident - normal diseases and injuries - having sex is a choice. It doesn't happen to you like an injury or illness (except in cases of rape obviously) you choose to do it.

4. See above. I am not butting into their business. The question is - should I pay for things they choose to do? If they choose to drink Mt. Dew, should Mt. Dew be covered by their health insurance? I personally am pushing for that since I drink lots of Mt. Dew. If people object, I will tell them to mind their own business. It's my choice if I want to drink Mt. Dew and clearly they should help me pay for it, unless they are some sort of control freak.

5. It may or may not be taxpayers, depending on if it is covered by medicaid, which I think it should be since people getting medicaid, unlike others, cannot afford it on their own. Then there are people who work for the government, now getting this extra benefit, paid for by the taxpayers. But it is people like me paying, who are part of group insurance.

[loyalsister]

78. Soooo

What about the janitor who chose to play football in HS and winds up needing multiple surgeries to fix damaged legs shoulders, etc?

[hfojvt]

81. many medical issues are the result of choices

However, not quite as directly. For example, I could catch pneumonia, like my mom always warned, by sitting on the cold basement floor. I could break some bones in a roller skating accident as Lana feared. I mentioned roller skating and she said "I have no insurance, there is no way I am going roller skating". Yet many people can engage in those activities repeatedly with no serious consequences. It's a bit harder to engage in unprotected sex without consequences.

As for the janitor, he probably needs knee surgery, not because of old football injuries, but because he walks 8-10 miles a day at his job, often carrying thousands of pounds of tables too.

[loyalsister]

82. "It's a bit harder to engage in unprotected sex without consequences"

You left out "for women." It's quite easy for men to engage in sexual activity without "consequences." Barring transmission of an STD, real unintended consequences fall ONLY on the woman. Women have to make the difficult decisions (the range of which are being limited more and more), while men can walk away and maybe have to write a check once a month (assuming he is located).
Making BC more available helps to even the playing field when it comes to not only sexual activity but also in having and raising children. Pregnancy does not just result in physical symptoms and a baby, discrimination against pregnant women in the workplace is rampant.

Of course, evening the playing field when it comes to those consequences has been the underlying objection when it first became available and again today.

[Hippo_Tron]

77. Humanity's population growth is unsustainable

I'm more than happy to have my insurance dollars or even my tax dollars going to pay for birth control. This is an instance where if we subsidize something, society as a whole benefits.

[treestar]

25. Morons. They are overlooking something

If she can't have sex, then some men can't either. They're cutting off their nose to spite their face.

[AsahinaKimi]

27. Bill O' the clown...

Always was..always will be ...

[Johonny]

28. Does he date his left hand

Why would a guy not want women either sexual active or sexually healthy? Hmm...

[Quantess]

72. O Reilly dates a loofah and falafels.

At least, we know he likes to talk dirty about loofahs and falafels.

[Bluerthanblue]

29. sure seems to me that very few people actually heard what Ms.Fluke actually said-

they are all just going on limbaughs twisted non-interpretation of what they thought might have been said.

Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh want people to give them money for vocally masturbating themselves and stroking their enormous engorged egos on air.

That is pretty obscene in itself.

[Motown_Johnny]

30. "Billo needs his money to pay off the women he sexually harasses!!!"

[i heart xenu]

31. Jesus H. Krishna, dewd!

How many threads do you start in one day?!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

32. I wish Andrea Mackris would go public with what she knows

even if it violates the terms of her settlement against O'Reilly and Fox for sexual harassment: Bill O'Reilly using a vibrator on himself and ejaculating while speaking to her on the phone needs to be described in intimate detail before a national audience.

Counts 83 - 86 of her complaint:


83. During the course of Defendant BILL O'REILLY's sexual rant, it became clear that he was using a vibrator upon himself, and that he ejaculated. Plaintiff was repulsed.

84. Immediately after climaxing, Defendant BILL O'REILLY launched into a discussion concerning how good he was during a recent appearance on "The Tonight Show" with Jay Leno: "It was funny, they used a big clip of me...Right after Brokaw and Brokaw was absolutely the most unfunny guy in the world, and the audience got a big charge out of my...It was good."

85. After climaxing, Defendant BILL O'REILLY again boasted that none of the women he'd engaged in sexual relations with would ever tell:

"Nobody'd believe 'em...they wouldn't [tell] anyway, I can't imagine any of them ever doing that 'cuz I always made friends with women before I bedded them down."

86. Defendant BILL O'REILLY concluded stating:

"You know, Mackris, in these days of your celibacy and your hibernation this is good for you to have a little fantasy outlet, you know, just to keep it tuned, keep that sensuality tuned until you know Mr. Right comes along and then you can put him in traction...I'm trying to tell you, this is good for your mental health."

[ohheckyeah]

37. Seriously?

Poisonous and toxic? Why because it allows women to make their own decisions about reproduction?

I doubt seriously you have the credentials to declare them poisonous and toxic.

[Atman]

40. With all if four posts, doubtful xena has the "credentials" to be posting here

If ya know what I mean.

[ohheckyeah]

44. Yes, I certainly do.

Seems I've heard comments like xena made before elsewhere. Xena had a very short stay.

[eShirl]

39. Say "Hi" to Xenu for us.

[alphafemale]

41. enjoy your stay.

go the fuck away.

[Courtesy Flush]

35. Am I missing something here?

I think maybe they're just re-framing the dialog to fire up their base, but as understand it, nobody is asking for anybody else to pay for their contraception.

Aren't they just asking that it be covered by insurance... which they will pay for themselves?

[pansypoo53219]

36. penny wise, POUND foolish.

i had the same arguement w/ a more conservative epal on paying for abortions. i tthink i opened her mind a little. IF you pay for birth control/abortion, you ar not paying for more schools, social services, especially for a mother who does not WANT her kids. kids are expensive + they use resources. everybody should just grow up.

[Autumn]

42. How nice of him to pay for her health insurance

Whats that? he doesn't pay for her health insurance? Then the stupid dumb ass fuck is not giving her his hard earned money so she can have sex.

[Justice wanted]

43. Let me understand Mr. OReilly's logic Birth Control is something he does NOT want to have to

pay for BUT that little BLUE pill and Snips to keep men from having babies WOMEN SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR?!

JERK

[gulliver]

45. Fox News viewers were forced to pay old horn dog Bill's...

Last edited Sat Mar 3, 2012, 04:34 PM - Edit history (1)

...sexual harassment lawsuit bill. Limbaugh's many orc-like listeners were forced to pay for his Oxycontin.

I don't see that these two upstanding Republican representatives have much room to talk.

[LynneSin]

46. I have known 14 year olds on birth control because of Ovarian cysts

Shame on him for assuming it's all about sex!

[Matariki]

48. So, O'Reilly and Limbaugh are personally funding every insurance provider in the country?

What the hell are they talking about anyway? As far as I can tell they are pushing a lie that the issue is the "government" giving out "free" birth control, when in fact this issue is mandating birth control be covered in health insurance coverage.

I don't get it, are they that knee jerk stupid, or are they lying as usual to cloud the truth?

[LeftishBrit]

55. What a horrible man

All I can say, is I wish his parents had used contraception!

[barbtries]

56. he's such a pig.

and always will be.

[Incitatus]

57. "put your pipe down and get my pipe up"

[sakabatou]

58. So O'Reilly doesn't understand what BC is and/or works either.

What a pig.

[quaker bill]

60. No, the sex is free

it is the babies that cost money.

[spanone]

62. 'all due respect' my ass.

[Arugula Latte]

65. I have to pay my hard-earned tax dollars so soldiers can get an earful of your hateful misogyny

and racism, Rush?

Fuck you.

[Faryn Balyncd]

66. The same O'Reilly whose work INSPIRED Jim David Adkisson to massacre Knoxville Unitarians:

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/

"Adkisson targeted the church, Still wrote in the document obtained by WBIR-TV, Channel 10, "because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of media outlets."

Adkisson told Still that "he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them in to office."

Adkisson told officers he left the house unlocked for them because "he expected to be killed during the assault."

Inside the house, officers found "Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by radio talk show host Michael Savage, "Let Freedom Ring" by talk show host Sean Hannity, and "The O'Reilly Factor," by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly.

Apparently, shame has not inspired O'Reilly to cease inspiring hate based on his repetitive lies.

[Whisp]

76. putrid porcine puke

[Initech]

79. Ah, the old "I've got mine so fuck you" sydrome at work.

Classic, O'Reilly, way to take a predictable page out of the GOP playbook. Bravo.