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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs it too soon to start lamenting the NSA Security State again? Or is that over now that we have
other faux crises on the tee vee? Just kinda wondering...I know we are all giddy at the prospects heading into 2014, so this topic is kind of the albatross of the decade that the PTB would rather we all forgot about whilst electioneering is underway...
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)Thanks for the thread, silvershadow.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)choose a year, month and week, suicide, plane crash, drone strike or falling piano.
followed by a creative writing contest for supporters of targeted killings.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts).....unless, somehow, he outlives his usefulness to TPTB.....whenever that may be.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)I read a news article saying several senators are going to introduce bills to beef up privacy protections and put a leash on the NSA, so there has been positive developments.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)...but the fantasy that someone might actually be so interested in the inane scribblings you wrote while sipping your $5 dollar soy-latte (comparing U.S. Signal Intelligence to the holocaust) that they'd actually look at it without your permission is a "real" one.
Gotcha.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
/ Ah, D.U. You'll never change.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)reactionary community. Gotcha. (You must be part of the "clean-up" crew, that goes around deflecting on internet boards).
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)That is the problem with conservatives in the party, they bring in all that Reagan and police state baggage with them and claim since it came in the party with THEM it is a valid view all of a sudden of the party.
Whose to say they're wrong? If we applaud the entrance of the Liebermans and Reaganites into the party, are they then not valid members with their views added to the party with them?
What will be really interesting is when we start inviting the Birchers as well and have to adopt their ideas as valid to go along with the trickle down economics and police state authoritarian worship, can't wait for them to join the ranks of the Reaganites in our party and add even more of these "good" right wing ideals.
I personally think we should have kept the party liberal and sewn shut the giant gaping hole in the tent that let these ideals replace our own, but I was not consulted when the Kochs helped form the DLC and PPI think tank to engineer our new improved ideology and so was told along with everybody else, "accept it 'cause what other party are you going to vote for".
Is it too late for a needle and thread now? Probably.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)re-districting at that time. By then, maybe demographics shifts may be in our favor as well. Of course, a lot depends on how successful the fascists are at doing more damage in Michigan and Wisconsin, etc. Once they split up the unions and drove the Democrats out of the midwest, they have virtually grabbed control. Of course, then they stand around and say "where are the jobs?". We are so truly messed up right now that I doubt we will ever again be what I knew us as, not in my lifetime.
RC
(25,592 posts)Guess not. No more than being some kind of Progressive or Liberal being a requirement for being a member of DU.
Which side of the tipping point are you on?
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)It's OK, they expect that.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)the center-center left space. Because of our campaign funding system corporations have too much influence in the Party but the fact we want health care for all, want everyone to easily vote, prefer higher taxes on the wealthy to pay for more services for the poor and working class, want equal rights for the LGBT community puts us in the center - center/left position.
opinions can differ.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)moonbat progressives. Why even bother, your profound "conservative Democrat" wisdom won't penetrate. Of course, you can always write some rants about those silly liberals and get a lot of attention that way I suppose.
Skittles
(152,963 posts)not at ALL
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)People are welcome to state that they dislike the U.S. having an intelligence service (though George Washington spent more than twice the percentage of his Federal budget on intelligence than we do today). But when they start throwing around the terms "Fascist" and claiming that well balanced programs supported by most Democratic electeds and overseen by the courts - are somehow much worse than "Faux" crises of children going physically hungry every night, then the Democrats who represent the non-wingnut side of the Democratic party feel obligated to step in.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
Skittles
(152,963 posts)I give that effort a 6
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Is #12 on this list.
Please try to start using reason and logic. It's one of the chief differentiators between Democrats and Republicans. (The other is that we're not run by our wingnuts, while they clearly are.)
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
Skittles
(152,963 posts)you get more entertaining by the day
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)One extra point for trying though.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
Skittles
(152,963 posts)uh huh
Lonr
(103 posts)K & R
MirrorAshes
(1,262 posts)We do kind of have other pressing matters to deal with. Lets get the government operational again and then continue the push for NSA reform.
Unless you just want the shutdown/debt ceiling/whatever the next repuke-manufactured crisis is to bring the whole freaking country down I suppose.
First you amputate the gangrenous limb, THEN you treat the long term cancer-- no?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)want to miss the chance to get back to work.
Democat
(11,617 posts)How about focusing on what Republicans are doing wrong for a few days?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)pony show wraps up. I hear the calliopes winding down in the distance...
randome
(34,845 posts)...they're a little busy ensuring that the world economy crashes. Don't worry. They'll be back to reading your emails at the earliest opportunity.
Meanwhile, back in the real world...
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Shivering Jemmy
(900 posts)If that's what gets your motor running post away.