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think_critically

(118 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:30 AM Oct 2013

Damnit Mr. President Take Control


I'm a supporter of the President but his passiveness is starting to piss me off. He looks more like a participant in this whole bullshit deal with the assholes when he should be the leader. Why he can't make a televised prime time address laying all of this out I don't know. He did it for Syria but he can't do it when our entire government is going straight to hell? WTF. And the fact that the assholes don't pay a price for opposing the health care bill when they have no plan of their own is nothing short of political malpractice. I don't get it. I swear I don't. He has the tools to totally smack these bastards down but for some reason he won't use them. This is the same guy who smacked down Hilary and Bill Clinton, John McCain, and Mitt Romney but won't smack down these assholes in congress? I'm venting here but this is getting ridiculous.
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Damnit Mr. President Take Control (Original Post) think_critically Oct 2013 OP
Oh for god's sake. Put on a new diaper and take a nap. Schema Thing Oct 2013 #1
+1 Paulie Oct 2013 #7
+ 1,000 DonViejo Oct 2013 #15
+ 2000. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #29
Don't forget the pacifier. Rep. Boehner has a 100,000 pacifiers delivery on the way to his office. Coyotl Oct 2013 #42
I signed late last night and they upped the number of pacifiers BlueToTheBone Oct 2013 #54
Come out from whatever you've been under please madokie Oct 2013 #2
that's the problem think_critically Oct 2013 #27
Sure it is madokie Oct 2013 #33
Look to your Right to see where OP is coming from. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #56
It's called letting em stew in their own juices. Benton D Struckcheon Oct 2013 #3
But did the 1995 one include the deby ceiling fight? pangaia Oct 2013 #4
No, it didn't. Benton D Struckcheon Oct 2013 #9
I sure hope you are right. pangaia Oct 2013 #22
You know what both shutdowns DO have in common? John Boehner. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #61
I remember it as I was furloughed then, too CatWoman Oct 2013 #18
I don't know where you're hiding, MoonRiver Oct 2013 #5
Same here - he's been kicking ass lately. backscatter712 Oct 2013 #10
Same here. I've been plenty critical of him before, but he's LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #23
critical as hell is putting it mildly arely staircase Oct 2013 #64
He wants prime-time, baby.nt Barack_America Oct 2013 #11
Tell me why you think this will influence a bunch of despots... Barack_America Oct 2013 #6
Be patient. They are digging furiously to get out of their hole. TheCowsCameHome Oct 2013 #8
lol. nt sufrommich Oct 2013 #12
To use a saying that I'm not fond of, Chill out, he's got this. Autumn Oct 2013 #13
Congrats on finding a way to bash the President in this mess wholely created by the Republicans. DCBob Oct 2013 #14
+ 1000 ^^^This!^^^ eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #30
First of all he has been exposing the republicans extortion for days. He has told the leadership in lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #16
You must learn to govern your passions Cirque du So-What Oct 2013 #17
What tools do you think he is not using? maddezmom Oct 2013 #19
What an odd thing to say. blogslut Oct 2013 #20
Not so odd, when you think about it Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #24
Looks to be a drive by maddezmom Oct 2013 #25
I'm curious about what tactics he has at his disposal to smack them down meadowlark5 Oct 2013 #21
I think he needs to do a prime time address and explain why he can't negotiate think_critically Oct 2013 #31
His tactics seem to be working DireStrike Oct 2013 #39
What a strange world some DUers seem to live in Recursion Oct 2013 #26
two questions: 1. what are you smoking? magical thyme Oct 2013 #28
do you look at polls think_critically Oct 2013 #34
The 35% are the teahadist...you know the Birthers maddezmom Oct 2013 #36
Last polls I looked at -- just yesterday -- said 72% blame the GOP magical thyme Oct 2013 #37
that's wrong think_critically Oct 2013 #40
proof, please? nt magical thyme Oct 2013 #41
CBS poll: "Republicans in Congress receive more of the blame for the shutdown" DCBob Oct 2013 #49
What? 99Forever Oct 2013 #32
i agree think_critically Oct 2013 #35
I see, you prefer a dictator, unitary executive, a bushitler maybe? lonestarnot Oct 2013 #51
Thanks for your concern about things. And thanks for thinking critically. Stinky The Clown Oct 2013 #38
Remember "Please proceed."? Coyotl Oct 2013 #43
I think he will do an address when he and his advisors feel it's productive meadowlark5 Oct 2013 #44
said think_critically. Raffi Ella Oct 2013 #45
Derp. WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #46
As someone who has been critical of The President in the recent past... Earth_First Oct 2013 #47
Change the channel.. kentuck Oct 2013 #48
good advice reddread Oct 2013 #63
He's very Presidential, but not much of a Politician FarCenter Oct 2013 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2013 #52
Yeah, speaking of "tools""... JNelson6563 Oct 2013 #53
Yeah, right. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #55
Methinks we should put things in perspective. . . DinahMoeHum Oct 2013 #57
This poster has had a pizza delivered personally by Skinner... Turborama Oct 2013 #58
Yummy maddezmom Oct 2013 #59
We need a 21 hour tutorial...not by the President, but by Congressfolk, leaders in the health care libdem4life Oct 2013 #60
this is a joke, right? arely staircase Oct 2013 #62
Take control of what? You want him to run Congress and be the POTUS as well? Rex Oct 2013 #65
OP sleeps with the fishes. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #66
Oh dear...think critically, trolled poorly. Rex Oct 2013 #68
No, you're ridiculous. Open your damn eyes and Cha Oct 2013 #67
TOMBSTONED. BumRushDaShow Oct 2013 #69
hush Liberal_in_LA Oct 2013 #70
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
42. Don't forget the pacifier. Rep. Boehner has a 100,000 pacifiers delivery on the way to his office.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:18 AM
Oct 2013

Maybe he will share one

CREDO will send John Boehner a pacifier for every person who tells him to end the shutdown
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023781575

Seriously, Obama is the President of the United States. And he acts like it.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
54. I signed late last night and they upped the number of pacifiers
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:55 AM
Oct 2013

to 200,000!!! I love the visual of trucks filled with pacifiers unloading in his office!!

madokie

(51,076 posts)
2. Come out from whatever you've been under please
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:33 AM
Oct 2013

The president has been all over the tee vee on this and I'm surprise a thinking critical person wouldn't be aware of that.

 

think_critically

(118 posts)
27. that's the problem
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:55 AM
Oct 2013

He does it in rose garden speeches during the day when nobody is listening. The only people who see are people who have internet access at work or who are home all day. His message is not getting through.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
33. Sure it is
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:05 AM
Oct 2013

You're sounding like you don't want to hear is all
We're about as red neck around here as it gets and he's been all over our nightly news so I don't understand where you're coming from.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
3. It's called letting em stew in their own juices.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:34 AM
Oct 2013

The one in 1995 allegedly lasted 28 days (I don't remember, honestly) so this one's still young. It's bad, but the thing is, you have to do this so that the next time they think about this tactic they remember the unpleasantness from this one. I'm sure former Pres Clinton is advising him as to what happened last time with Gingrich.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
9. No, it didn't.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:38 AM
Oct 2013

This one will be unique in combining the two. But that actually gives Obama more, not less leverage. Basically, this one will have to be over in two weeks because of the debt ceiling. Boehner is not going to let his name be the one mentioned next to the first default ever of the US. That's not happening.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
61. You know what both shutdowns DO have in common? John Boehner.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 12:19 PM
Oct 2013

He was hip deep in the last one as well, all smarmy theatrics and self promotion.

CatWoman

(80,275 posts)
18. I remember it as I was furloughed then, too
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:45 AM
Oct 2013

I remember being off work for about 3 weeks, as I visited my brother in Houston during that time.

backscatter712

(26,357 posts)
10. Same here - he's been kicking ass lately.
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:39 AM
Oct 2013

I've been critical as hell of the President, but on this fight, he's doing things right.

The only thing to do is continue to wait, watch the people get angrier and angrier, watch them figure out it's the GOP trying to extort Obamacare out of existence, threatening their livelihoods in the process, and the GOP will watch their poll numbers and their support go down the toilet. That's when they'll cave.

LuvNewcastle

(17,748 posts)
23. Same here. I've been plenty critical of him before, but he's
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:51 AM
Oct 2013

handling this problem exactly as he should, in my opinion. I don't think he's going to cut a deal with them this time.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
64. critical as hell is putting it mildly
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 02:16 PM
Oct 2013

Moments like this certainly separate legit left-wing critics of the president and RW trolls around here. The former's approval and backing of Obama certainly has the latter displeased.

And you are right. He just needs to keep standing up to them. No quarter.

Edited to say: the trolls don't know which way to go. Here is Skinner's love letter to the one that posted the OP

"Today he's saying Obama should take control. Three days ago he was saying Obama should compromise. And a few months back he was calling for social security cuts."

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
6. Tell me why you think this will influence a bunch of despots...
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:36 AM
Oct 2013

...who care only about diminishing Obama and raking in Koch dollars?

lostincalifornia

(5,111 posts)
16. First of all he has been exposing the republicans extortion for days. He has told the leadership in
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:43 AM
Oct 2013

both houses there will be NO compromise on blackmail. Pass a clean bill period.

At this time it is Congress that needs to act. They are trying to force a floor vote on the house, using a unique procedure, however, if the so called 21 republicans who have said they would vote for a clean bill do not go along with it, it won't happen

Unless the house brings the bill before the floor to vote on it, not much else will happen.

Raising the debt ceiling is another matter, I suspect if it gets down to the point where the house plays the same games, the President will invoke the 14th amendment and raise the debt limit itself if the house doesn't bring it to the floor to vote on. I also expect that if that happens, the thugs in the house will impeach him, and lose. There will be those in the house that will try to take this to the supreme court to rule it unconstitutional. Those results are less certain. It will depend on Kennedy.



meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
21. I'm curious about what tactics he has at his disposal to smack them down
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 08:49 AM
Oct 2013

I don't know what the pres can do to make the house republicans vote on a clean CR. I think the dems tried and will try a couple of things - but the president can't force the house to do anything.

What more do you think he could do?

 

think_critically

(118 posts)
31. I think he needs to do a prime time address and explain why he can't negotiate
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:03 AM
Oct 2013

He is a very smart man and I think he should get on television and explain that what the republicans are doing is a direct threat to the future of our country. The republicans are fighting back with this whole idea that the democrats won't negotiate but he's gotta counter that. The reason I'm for a prime time address b/c it enables him to take advantage of his role as commander in chief and look like the grown up in the room. Also, it'll give him a chance to defend the ACA and use it to beat the republicans over the head. Every story needs a hero and a villain. People already see the republicans as the assholes that they are but I don't think they see him as the hero. He needs to try and change that.

DireStrike

(6,452 posts)
39. His tactics seem to be working
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:13 AM
Oct 2013

In the media on monday there was a lot of "eventually the Democrats are gonna take some blame" and "well, both sides won't negotiate" going around. It decreased a lot of tuesday and was gone by wednesday, replaced with talk of why the GOP is forced to do such crazy things.

The media conventional wisdom is won, and Obama keeps giving speeches. It seems effective, not sure about the need for a prime time address. On the other hand, could it hurt?

 

think_critically

(118 posts)
34. do you look at polls
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:05 AM
Oct 2013

35% of the people blame Obama for this. I know the country is polarized but that number should be closer to 10 or so. This has become a situation where the blame is close to being spread equally and that is not where he needs to be. His approval ratings are dropping like a rock and that is going to imperil the rest of his presidency if he doesn't get control of it.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
36. The 35% are the teahadist...you know the Birthers
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:09 AM
Oct 2013

There is no reaching them. I think you need to look at the polls...btw a new one has his approval up 5%.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
37. Last polls I looked at -- just yesterday -- said 72% blame the GOP
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:09 AM
Oct 2013

That leaves 28% not blaming the GOP. Of that 28%, some percent will be too busy surviving to be watching or even aware there is a shutdown.

You're never going to have 90% blaming the GOP. 25% of diehards conservatives and teabaggers is as good as it's going to get.

Please pass the pipe; you've been smoking too much.

 

think_critically

(118 posts)
40. that's wrong
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:15 AM
Oct 2013

72% don't support the shutdown over defunding Obamacare but now it looks like they are blaming everybody equally.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
49. CBS poll: "Republicans in Congress receive more of the blame for the shutdown"
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:43 AM
Oct 2013

"44 percent of Americans blame them, while 35 percent (aka RW teahadists/birthers/psychos) put more blame on President Obama and the Democrats in Congress."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605822/poll-americans-not-happy-about-shutdown-more-blame-gop/

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
32. What?
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:03 AM
Oct 2013

I am far from the President's biggest fan, but damn, what freakin' planet are you on? He's actually showing fortitude and guts this go around. I only wish he had done this 4 years ago. But that's then and this is now.

 

think_critically

(118 posts)
35. i agree
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:08 AM
Oct 2013


I don't have a problem with his resolve. I think he's doing a good job with that. I have a problem with him being more of a participant in all of this than the President.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
44. I think he will do an address when he and his advisors feel it's productive
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:24 AM
Oct 2013

There's a big battle coming up in a just over a week. He knows the rethugs are waiting for the debt ceiling so they have even more extortion power (or so they think). If he were to get on tv now and not later when it might really have more impact with the two disasters coming together, I think he risks his image in some way.

Obama and his staff, I believe, are watching this situation and calculating it carefully. I think he's done a good job of speaking on this and letting the loony toons do the work for him. Michelle Bachman admitting that this is the happiest the members have been in a long time? Nunes admitting this is about respect and demanding a ransom but not even knowing what that is. The loon from Texas scolding the park ranger for doing her job at the closed memorial, something he voted to close. Cruz saying they compromised by defunding Obamacare instead of repealing Obamacare.

They look stupid and transparent out there. So if it's broke don't fix it. Not for now anyway.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
47. As someone who has been critical of The President in the recent past...
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:36 AM
Oct 2013

You could not be more wrong if you tried.

Specifically, what more could be done?

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
50. He's very Presidential, but not much of a Politician
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 09:45 AM
Oct 2013

Even the big "accomplishments" of Obamacare and Dodd-Frank were mainly constructed by the Democrats in Congress during his first two years.

Media appeals to the people are no substitute for having ones hands on the levers of power in Washington.

Response to think_critically (Original post)

DinahMoeHum

(23,452 posts)
57. Methinks we should put things in perspective. . .
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 10:00 AM
Oct 2013

. . .and realize that this is not the first time we've had a government shutdown, or even the second since 1995. . .

http://www.fidelityinsight.com/hotline/04_oct_13.HTML

(snip)
The government shutdown reached its fourth day on Friday with seemingly little movement on either side over the issue of passing a funding resolution to allow the government to function. Perhaps surprisingly, there has also been seemingly little impact on stocks. For the week the S&P 500 was essentially flat, while the large-cap Dow suffered a bit more falling 1.2%. However, the Nasdaq was up 0.7% and the small-cap Russell 2000 also managed a small gain of 0.4%.

But if we examine history, we find that such a result is not at all unusual. Believe it or not, there have been 17 prior government shutdowns in the US since 1976, with an average duration of 6.4 days. During the shutdown the average return of the S&P 500 was 0.8%, and it had an average return of 1.0% in the month following the end of the stoppage. What if the shutdown drags on much further? Well, the longest shutdown came in late 1995 into early 1996, lasting 21 days. But even then, the S&P 500 rose 0.1% during the stoppage and 4.0% in the month after the shutdown ended.**

A bigger concern, however, is the looming debt ceiling which is projected to be reached around October 17. Should the ceiling not be raised by then, there is the risk of a default on US Treasury bonds. Such a default would have the potential to severely impact the markets. There may be some ways to avoid default even if we do bump up against the ceiling, by paying the interest on our debt and not paying other bills, but that is uncharted legal territory. Because the risks in this case (unlike the shutdown) are so large, we believe that a deal will get done, even though the current stalemate might suggest otherwise.

(snip)

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**Newt Gingrich was Speaker during this particular shutdown - Bill Clinton was POTUS









 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
60. We need a 21 hour tutorial...not by the President, but by Congressfolk, leaders in the health care
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 11:16 AM
Oct 2013

industry...education because nobody knows much, even those who have signed up.

The Democrats should demand equal time...not to sell the program...it's a law. But to help people understand it, and throw in some better usage instruction...like certain last name initials on certain days...those just looking...7-4:00 Saturday and Sunday..some self-selecting guidelines. Could be right on the website. Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sibelius should be the face of it now. The President has done his job. I had to look it up, but she has talked in front of a few small stations. We need the bully pulpit...PBO could announce it and then turn it over and get it on C-Span. Wonder if Harry Reid would approve it?

But we do need real, live people willing to do this. 21 hours. Again I say, Equal Time. And that will get the press' attention, as did Cruz and he knew it. A little news blip here or there or refuting some RW TPer is a waste of time.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
65. Take control of what? You want him to run Congress and be the POTUS as well?
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 02:20 PM
Oct 2013

You do realize that the POTUS IS in control and is enforcing a law passed by Congress? THAT IS his job! Why would you want him to be in charge of Congress too? I mean, I realize Congress is fucked up...but let the POTUS do his job and let Congress do their jobs!

He already told the Repukes to go pound sand, he cannot force them to do anything!

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