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I'm a supporter of the President but his passiveness is starting to piss me off. He looks more like a participant in this whole bullshit deal with the assholes when he should be the leader. Why he can't make a televised prime time address laying all of this out I don't know. He did it for Syria but he can't do it when our entire government is going straight to hell? WTF. And the fact that the assholes don't pay a price for opposing the health care bill when they have no plan of their own is nothing short of political malpractice. I don't get it. I swear I don't. He has the tools to totally smack these bastards down but for some reason he won't use them. This is the same guy who smacked down Hilary and Bill Clinton, John McCain, and Mitt Romney but won't smack down these assholes in congress? I'm venting here but this is getting ridiculous.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Calm is not passive.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Maybe he will share one
CREDO will send John Boehner a pacifier for every person who tells him to end the shutdown
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023781575
Seriously, Obama is the President of the United States. And he acts like it.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)to 200,000!!! I love the visual of trucks filled with pacifiers unloading in his office!!
madokie
(51,076 posts)The president has been all over the tee vee on this and I'm surprise a thinking critical person wouldn't be aware of that.
think_critically
(118 posts)He does it in rose garden speeches during the day when nobody is listening. The only people who see are people who have internet access at work or who are home all day. His message is not getting through.
madokie
(51,076 posts)You're sounding like you don't want to hear is all
We're about as red neck around here as it gets and he's been all over our nightly news so I don't understand where you're coming from.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Somewhere over there.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)The one in 1995 allegedly lasted 28 days (I don't remember, honestly) so this one's still young. It's bad, but the thing is, you have to do this so that the next time they think about this tactic they remember the unpleasantness from this one. I'm sure former Pres Clinton is advising him as to what happened last time with Gingrich.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I forget.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)This one will be unique in combining the two. But that actually gives Obama more, not less leverage. Basically, this one will have to be over in two weeks because of the debt ceiling. Boehner is not going to let his name be the one mentioned next to the first default ever of the US. That's not happening.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)He was hip deep in the last one as well, all smarmy theatrics and self promotion.
CatWoman
(80,275 posts)I remember being off work for about 3 weeks, as I visited my brother in Houston during that time.
MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)but I've been listening to him pound those a-holes into the ground every day.
backscatter712
(26,357 posts)I've been critical as hell of the President, but on this fight, he's doing things right.
The only thing to do is continue to wait, watch the people get angrier and angrier, watch them figure out it's the GOP trying to extort Obamacare out of existence, threatening their livelihoods in the process, and the GOP will watch their poll numbers and their support go down the toilet. That's when they'll cave.
LuvNewcastle
(17,748 posts)handling this problem exactly as he should, in my opinion. I don't think he's going to cut a deal with them this time.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Moments like this certainly separate legit left-wing critics of the president and RW trolls around here. The former's approval and backing of Obama certainly has the latter displeased.
And you are right. He just needs to keep standing up to them. No quarter.
Edited to say: the trolls don't know which way to go. Here is Skinner's love letter to the one that posted the OP
"Today he's saying Obama should take control. Three days ago he was saying Obama should compromise. And a few months back he was calling for social security cuts."
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...who care only about diminishing Obama and raking in Koch dollars?
TheCowsCameHome
(40,270 posts)n/t
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Autumn
(48,871 posts)He's handling this just right.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)lostincalifornia
(5,111 posts)both houses there will be NO compromise on blackmail. Pass a clean bill period.
At this time it is Congress that needs to act. They are trying to force a floor vote on the house, using a unique procedure, however, if the so called 21 republicans who have said they would vote for a clean bill do not go along with it, it won't happen
Unless the house brings the bill before the floor to vote on it, not much else will happen.
Raising the debt ceiling is another matter, I suspect if it gets down to the point where the house plays the same games, the President will invoke the 14th amendment and raise the debt limit itself if the house doesn't bring it to the floor to vote on. I also expect that if that happens, the thugs in the house will impeach him, and lose. There will be those in the house that will try to take this to the supreme court to rule it unconstitutional. Those results are less certain. It will depend on Kennedy.
Cirque du So-What
(29,546 posts)They will be your undoing.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)blogslut
(39,111 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)I don't know what the pres can do to make the house republicans vote on a clean CR. I think the dems tried and will try a couple of things - but the president can't force the house to do anything.
What more do you think he could do?
think_critically
(118 posts)He is a very smart man and I think he should get on television and explain that what the republicans are doing is a direct threat to the future of our country. The republicans are fighting back with this whole idea that the democrats won't negotiate but he's gotta counter that. The reason I'm for a prime time address b/c it enables him to take advantage of his role as commander in chief and look like the grown up in the room. Also, it'll give him a chance to defend the ACA and use it to beat the republicans over the head. Every story needs a hero and a villain. People already see the republicans as the assholes that they are but I don't think they see him as the hero. He needs to try and change that.
DireStrike
(6,452 posts)In the media on monday there was a lot of "eventually the Democrats are gonna take some blame" and "well, both sides won't negotiate" going around. It decreased a lot of tuesday and was gone by wednesday, replaced with talk of why the GOP is forced to do such crazy things.
The media conventional wisdom is won, and Obama keeps giving speeches. It seems effective, not sure about the need for a prime time address. On the other hand, could it hurt?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)2. where do I get some?
I could use a break from reality...
think_critically
(118 posts)35% of the people blame Obama for this. I know the country is polarized but that number should be closer to 10 or so. This has become a situation where the blame is close to being spread equally and that is not where he needs to be. His approval ratings are dropping like a rock and that is going to imperil the rest of his presidency if he doesn't get control of it.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)There is no reaching them. I think you need to look at the polls...btw a new one has his approval up 5%.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)That leaves 28% not blaming the GOP. Of that 28%, some percent will be too busy surviving to be watching or even aware there is a shutdown.
You're never going to have 90% blaming the GOP. 25% of diehards conservatives and teabaggers is as good as it's going to get.
Please pass the pipe; you've been smoking too much.
think_critically
(118 posts)72% don't support the shutdown over defunding Obamacare but now it looks like they are blaming everybody equally.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)"44 percent of Americans blame them, while 35 percent (aka RW teahadists/birthers/psychos) put more blame on President Obama and the Democrats in Congress."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605822/poll-americans-not-happy-about-shutdown-more-blame-gop/
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I am far from the President's biggest fan, but damn, what freakin' planet are you on? He's actually showing fortitude and guts this go around. I only wish he had done this 4 years ago. But that's then and this is now.
think_critically
(118 posts)I don't have a problem with his resolve. I think he's doing a good job with that. I have a problem with him being more of a participant in all of this than the President.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Stinky The Clown
(68,941 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Let them dig away, I say! 2014 is down there somewhere

meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)There's a big battle coming up in a just over a week. He knows the rethugs are waiting for the debt ceiling so they have even more extortion power (or so they think). If he were to get on tv now and not later when it might really have more impact with the two disasters coming together, I think he risks his image in some way.
Obama and his staff, I believe, are watching this situation and calculating it carefully. I think he's done a good job of speaking on this and letting the loony toons do the work for him. Michelle Bachman admitting that this is the happiest the members have been in a long time? Nunes admitting this is about respect and demanding a ransom but not even knowing what that is. The loon from Texas scolding the park ranger for doing her job at the closed memorial, something he voted to close. Cruz saying they compromised by defunding Obamacare instead of repealing Obamacare.
They look stupid and transparent out there. So if it's broke don't fix it. Not for now anyway.
Raffi Ella
(4,465 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)You could not be more wrong if you tried.
Specifically, what more could be done?
kentuck
(115,286 posts)FOX doesn't report on what the President is saying or doing.
reddread
(6,896 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Even the big "accomplishments" of Obamacare and Dodd-Frank were mainly constructed by the Democrats in Congress during his first two years.
Media appeals to the people are no substitute for having ones hands on the levers of power in Washington.
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JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)you're doin' it right.
Julie
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)DinahMoeHum
(23,452 posts). . .and realize that this is not the first time we've had a government shutdown, or even the second since 1995. . .
http://www.fidelityinsight.com/hotline/04_oct_13.HTML
(snip)
The government shutdown reached its fourth day on Friday with seemingly little movement on either side over the issue of passing a funding resolution to allow the government to function. Perhaps surprisingly, there has also been seemingly little impact on stocks. For the week the S&P 500 was essentially flat, while the large-cap Dow suffered a bit more falling 1.2%. However, the Nasdaq was up 0.7% and the small-cap Russell 2000 also managed a small gain of 0.4%.
But if we examine history, we find that such a result is not at all unusual. Believe it or not, there have been 17 prior government shutdowns in the US since 1976, with an average duration of 6.4 days. During the shutdown the average return of the S&P 500 was 0.8%, and it had an average return of 1.0% in the month following the end of the stoppage. What if the shutdown drags on much further? Well, the longest shutdown came in late 1995 into early 1996, lasting 21 days. But even then, the S&P 500 rose 0.1% during the stoppage and 4.0% in the month after the shutdown ended.**
A bigger concern, however, is the looming debt ceiling which is projected to be reached around October 17. Should the ceiling not be raised by then, there is the risk of a default on US Treasury bonds. Such a default would have the potential to severely impact the markets. There may be some ways to avoid default even if we do bump up against the ceiling, by paying the interest on our debt and not paying other bills, but that is uncharted legal territory. Because the risks in this case (unlike the shutdown) are so large, we believe that a deal will get done, even though the current stalemate might suggest otherwise.
(snip)
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**Newt Gingrich was Speaker during this particular shutdown - Bill Clinton was POTUS

Turborama
(22,109 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)I love pizza in the morning.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)industry...education because nobody knows much, even those who have signed up.
The Democrats should demand equal time...not to sell the program...it's a law. But to help people understand it, and throw in some better usage instruction...like certain last name initials on certain days...those just looking...7-4:00 Saturday and Sunday..some self-selecting guidelines. Could be right on the website. Health and Human Services, Kathleen Sibelius should be the face of it now. The President has done his job. I had to look it up, but she has talked in front of a few small stations. We need the bully pulpit...PBO could announce it and then turn it over and get it on C-Span. Wonder if Harry Reid would approve it?
But we do need real, live people willing to do this. 21 hours. Again I say, Equal Time. And that will get the press' attention, as did Cruz and he knew it. A little news blip here or there or refuting some RW TPer is a waste of time.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)the GOP is self-destructing before our eyes and you think the president needs to do something?
Rex
(65,616 posts)You do realize that the POTUS IS in control and is enforcing a law passed by Congress? THAT IS his job! Why would you want him to be in charge of Congress too? I mean, I realize Congress is fucked up...but let the POTUS do his job and let Congress do their jobs!
He already told the Repukes to go pound sand, he cannot force them to do anything!
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Cha
(317,807 posts)learn what's going on here.
