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HarveyDarkey

(9,077 posts)
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 02:25 AM Oct 2013

Extinct tree grows anew from ancient jar of seeds unearthed by archaeologists

Stephen Messenger
Science / Natural Sciences
October 5, 2013



For thousands of years, Judean date palm trees were one of the most recognizable and welcome sights for people living in the Middle East -- widely cultivated throughout the region for their sweet fruit, and for the cool shade they offered from the blazing desert sun.

From its founding some 3,000 years ago, to the dawn of the Common Era, the trees became a staple crop in the Kingdom of Judea, even garnering several shout-outs in the Old Testament. Judean palm trees would come to serve as one of the kingdom's chief symbols of good fortune; King David named his daughter, Tamar, after the plant's name in Hebrew.

By the time the Roman Empire sought to usurp control of the kingdom in 70 AD, broad forests of these trees flourished as a staple crop to the Judean economy -- a fact that made them a prime resource for the invading army to destroy. Sadly, around the year 500 AD, the once plentiful palm had been completely wiped out, driven to extinction for the sake of conquest.

In the centuries that followed, first-hand knowledge of the tree slipped from memory to legend. Up until recently, that is.

During excavations at the site of Herod the Great's palace in Israel in the early 1960's, archeologists unearthed a small stockpile of seeds stowed in a clay jar dating back 2,000 years. For the next four decades, the ancient seeds were kept in a drawer at Tel Aviv's Bar-Ilan University. But then, in 2005, botanical researcher Elaine Solowey decided to plant one and see what, if anything, would sprout.

http://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/extinct-tree-grows-anew-after-archaeologists-dig-ancient-seed-stockpile.html

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Extinct tree grows anew from ancient jar of seeds unearthed by archaeologists (Original Post) HarveyDarkey Oct 2013 OP
Very cool. Thank you for posting, Harvey. 1000words Oct 2013 #1
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #2
I hope they're able to grow lots more of them. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #3
Whoa! cui bono Oct 2013 #4
Makes sense that a desert plant would have seeds with long shelf-life. Scootaloo Oct 2013 #7
K&R DeSwiss Oct 2013 #5
Next they can bring back egg laying reptile dinosaurs ffr Oct 2013 #6
Nah, this variety just lays turds. n/t Beartracks Oct 2013 #8
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Ednahilda Oct 2013 #42
This is very, very cool. n/t Beartracks Oct 2013 #9
How cool is that... thanks for posting. Ellipsis Oct 2013 #10
Some insight to dates (which never went extinct) Rstrstx Oct 2013 #11
Thanks for the more detailed info. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #13
They can just backcross like crazy, no matter what sex this one is, to get very close. Eventually. enki23 Oct 2013 #36
Interesting, hope it outlasts the ones I buy. Historic NY Oct 2013 #12
Beautiful! Awesome! cer7711 Oct 2013 #14
Nifty. k&r Laelth Oct 2013 #15
reminds me of the shoe with a plant growing in it from the movie wall-e a kennedy Oct 2013 #16
So this is how the zombie apocalypse starts. nt Javaman Oct 2013 #17
You're thinking of The Day of the Triffids. kentauros Oct 2013 #19
Ya got me. Javaman Oct 2013 #20
I just remember watching those old movies kentauros Oct 2013 #21
Loved that scene. Javaman Oct 2013 #24
That is a great scene. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #25
Ohh yeah mikeysnot Oct 2013 #35
du rec. xchrom Oct 2013 #18
Jurassic Garden Berlum Oct 2013 #22
Nice! That is incredible and very hopeful. nt raouldukelives Oct 2013 #23
I'm thrilled that they were able to successfully germinate the seeds. However, it seems that it ladjf Oct 2013 #26
It probably wasn't a desk drawer HarveyDarkey Oct 2013 #30
Why Plant Just One?? Leopolds Ghost Oct 2013 #27
In related news Dreamer Tatum Oct 2013 #28
K&R. Very cool. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #29
Now, can they find some Silphium seeds ? eppur_se_muova Oct 2013 #31
OK. THIS IS SPECTACULAR!!!! excuse the caps. robinlynne Oct 2013 #32
IT IS THE END TIMES!! THE PROPHECY HAS COME TRUE!! Motown_Johnny Oct 2013 #33
That is amazing!!! kentuck Oct 2013 #34
k/r 840high Oct 2013 #37
that is totally freakin wicked!! n/t NMDemDist2 Oct 2013 #38
Great post! gulliver Oct 2013 #39
that is a cool story Liberal_in_LA Oct 2013 #40
Coolness! n/t malthaussen Oct 2013 #41

LuvNewcastle

(17,821 posts)
3. I hope they're able to grow lots more of them.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:18 AM
Oct 2013

Since they're native to the area, they could serve a variety of purposes, especially considering that they produce edible fruit. It's like seeing an old friend brought back to life.

Rstrstx

(1,648 posts)
11. Some insight to dates (which never went extinct)
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:16 AM
Oct 2013

They may have been destroyed in one local area but the trees have been around for millennia. Dates are dioecious (separate male and female plants, like people), the female trees bear the fruit while the male plants supply the pollen. Given that Phoenix (the botanical name for date palms) are dioecious and complete whores - they'll cross with any of their kinfolk - it's possible the edible date is some sort of hybrid or a distinct ecotype that was discovered by man and subsequently cultivated, possibly enhanced by eugenics.

The better edible dates have to be grown from offshoots of specific cultivars (e.g. Deglet Noor, Medjool), the male parent usually doesn't matter. I'm not sure how long ago clonal propagation first began but it's been many many centuries if not millennia. It's not hard to do: a hammer and chisel can split a pup off of the parent plant at the base and it'll easily grow into a clone of its parent once new roots are established.

Still, random seedling female dates will often have tasty fruit - down here in South Texas you can pick up a ripe date and it usually isn't half bad even if it didn't come from some fancy pants cultivar (though a number can taste pretty underwhelming. Hybrid dates occasionally have decent tasting fruit but it's pretty rare). From the article it sounds like the Judean dates were just grown wild and the fruit was simply gathered off female plants, presumably the ones that tasted good.

The article stated that the sex of the tree should be known by 2012 (no word yet?), if it's female it'd be interesting to see what kind of taste it has. Unfortunately with only one tree it will be impossible to bring this particular strain back into horticulture without another tree of the opposite sex; at best you'll get a half-Judean date palm. I'm sure extensive genetic analysis of this plant will be conducted, in fact I believe the article stated as much. There may be strains of dates around somewhere that are very close to the ancient Judean strain.

I'm pretty sure this is the same tree I read about not that long ago, and it wasn't anywhere near as simple as just picking a seed out of a jar and planting it; very extensive preparation and treatment of the seed was done in a laboratory to enhance its chances of germinating. Luckily it worked, they didn't just throw the seed in a pot and stick it out by the back door to see if it sprouted.

Always neat to read about these things.

LuvNewcastle

(17,821 posts)
13. Thanks for the more detailed info.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:39 AM
Oct 2013

I'm thinking that maybe there are more seeds where that one came from. Surely the cache of seeds they found contained more than one Judean palm seed. I hope so, because from your post I gather that a hybrid tree wouldn't produce fruit as good as a pure breed. I'm guessing that they already have other varieties of date palms growing in Israel though, so a hybrid might be very similar to the Judean palm breed.

Sometimes I can eat dates, but usually they're too sweet for me. I imagine they were quite a treat for people thousands of years ago since they had never tried sugar. They probably looked at them like candy growing on trees. I wonder if they mixed them with carob and made candy bars out of them.

enki23

(7,795 posts)
36. They can just backcross like crazy, no matter what sex this one is, to get very close. Eventually.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 05:40 PM
Oct 2013

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cer7711

(612 posts)
14. Beautiful! Awesome!
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:56 AM
Oct 2013

Just think--we're looking at a tree that hasn't been seen for some 1500 years.

Blessed are the peacemakers. And the tree planters.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
21. I just remember watching those old movies
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 09:36 AM
Oct 2013

especially Jason and the Argonauts, and the skeleton fight scene

Javaman

(65,711 posts)
24. Loved that scene.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 10:17 AM
Oct 2013

I still will stay up and watch it if I see it's on.

simpler times. Harryhausen was a genius

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
26. I'm thrilled that they were able to successfully germinate the seeds. However, it seems that it
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 12:17 PM
Oct 2013

was careless to "toss the seeds" into the desk drawer. They could well have died right there.

 

HarveyDarkey

(9,077 posts)
30. It probably wasn't a desk drawer
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:49 PM
Oct 2013

was probably in an environmentally controlled room for the storage of artifacts.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,996 posts)
28. In related news
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 12:53 PM
Oct 2013

I found a pair of dirty boxers in the corner of my closet, probably left there since 2009 or so.

I washed them and am wearing them now.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
33. IT IS THE END TIMES!! THE PROPHECY HAS COME TRUE!!
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:30 PM
Oct 2013
but you know we are going to be hearing this from the nut jobs soon enough

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=CEB

^snip^

Matthew 24

32 “Learn this parable from the fig tree. After its branch becomes tender and it sprouts new leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 In the same way, when you see all these things, you know that the Human One[e] is near, at the door. 34 I assure you that this generation won’t pass away until all these things happen. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will certainly not pass away.


Edit to add: Papal prophecies had this Pope as the last one (although they seem to have gotten his name wrong).
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