Obama: No deal. Open the government AND lift the debt limit, then we can talk

[geek tragedy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/government-shutdown_n_4076802.html#388_white-house-rejects-gop-idea-to-keep-government-closed-through-november

The President has made clear that he will not pay a ransom for Congress doing its job and paying our bills. It is better for economic certainty for Congress to take the threat of default off the table for as long as possible, which is why we support the Senate Democrats’ efforts to raise the debt limit for a year with no extraneous political strings attached. The President also believes that the Republican Leadership in the House should allow for an up or down vote on the clean continuing resolution passed by the Senate that would pass with a bipartisan majority to reopen the government. Once Republicans in Congress act to remove the threat of default and end this harmful government shutdown, the President will be willing to negotiate on a broader budget agreement to create jobs, grow the economy, and put our fiscal house in order. While we are willing to look at any proposal Congress puts forward to end these manufactured crises, we will not allow a faction of the Republicans in the House to hold the economy hostage to its extraneous and extreme political demands. Congress needs to pass a clean debt limit increase and a funding bill to reopen the government.

[Scurrilous]

1. K & R

[corkhead]

2. Bwaaaah! The President won't let us out of the corner we painted ourselves into!

[Junkdrawer]

3. Not what I'm reading....

"It is better for economic certainty for Congress to take the threat of default off the table for as long as possible, which is why we support the Senate Democrats’ efforts to raise the debt limit for a year with no extraneous political strings attached."

[geek tragedy]

4. Keep on reading

Once Republicans in Congress act to remove the threat of default and end this harmful government shutdown, the President will be willing to negotiate on a broader budget agreement to create jobs, grow the economy, and put our fiscal house in order. While we are willing to look at any proposal Congress puts forward to end these manufactured crises, we will not allow a faction of the Republicans in the House to hold the economy hostage to its extraneous and extreme political demands. Congress needs to pass a clean debt limit increase and a funding bill to reopen the government.

[Junkdrawer]

5. Right...so it's raise the debt limit and talk about a clean CR....n/t

[geek tragedy]

7. Maybe in your imagination, but not in reality nt

[Junkdrawer]

15. If/when the Senate one year debt limit is passed by both houses, it will be signed.

That won't end the government shutdown.

[geek tragedy]

16. But no negotiations. nt

[Junkdrawer]

17. We agree. Debt limit will be lifted, but the shutdown will continue....

with no negotiations.

[geek tragedy]

18. Yes, we do. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

10. It says: "remove the threat of default and end this harmful government shutdown".

Not "remove the threat of default and maybe think about ending this harmful government shutdown".

[Uncle Joe]

14. It seems to me, Obama is requiring both before negotiating on financial and economic policies.

The President has made clear that he will not pay a ransom for Congress doing its job and paying our bills. It is better for economic certainty for Congress to take the threat of default off the table for as long as possible, which is why we support the Senate Democrats’ efforts to raise the debt limit for a year with no extraneous political strings attached. The President also believes that the Republican Leadership in the House should allow for an up or down vote on the clean continuing resolution passed by the Senate that would pass with a bipartisan majority to reopen the government. Once Republicans in Congress act to remove the threat of default and end this harmful government shutdown, the President will be willing to negotiate on a broader budget agreement to create jobs, grow the economy, and put our fiscal house in order. While we are willing to look at any proposal Congress puts forward to end these manufactured crises, we will not allow a faction of the Republicans in the House to hold the economy hostage to its extraneous and extreme political demands. Congress needs to pass a clean debt limit increase and a funding bill to reopen the government.

[Wounded Bear]

6. K & R

[jwirr]

8. And not for just a few weeks.

[Auntie Bush]

9. Keep up the good work Obama. Put the hostage takers

in a box where they belong...then drop them over Siberia and let Putin deal with them.

[awoke_in_2003]

22. Putin might consider that an act of war. nt

[Chan790]

29. Only if we give them parachutes.

Otherwise it's just feeding the wolves and bears.

[awoke_in_2003]

30. Thanks for the laugh. nt

[A Simple Game]

58. Wolves and bears can usually stomach rancid meat without much harm. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Huzzah!

[Kingofalldems]

12. Uh oh, chicken hawk James Woods not liking this one.

[seabeyond]

19. meh... doesnt matter, hollywood rejects him anyway. he has nuthin'. lol. nt

[Liberalynn]

13. Thank you Mr. President

David Schuster tweeted there is going to be Presidential Press Confernce at 1:00 p.m today.

[kydo]

20. Ditto Thanks Mr. President!

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. K&R

[Samantha]

23. Now he is being proactive instead of reactive and I love it

Just get ahead of the Te Party crowd and let them eat your dust.

Sam

[Sunlei]

24. "Congress needs to pass a clean debt limit increase and a funding bill to reopen the government"

period.

[Iliyah]

25. K & R

[Roland99]

26. "UP OR DOWN VOTE!" "UP OR DOWN VOTE!" "UP OR DOWN VOTE!"

all we heard year after year under Bush.

[appacom]

27. On CNN now talking heads are saying the president "blinked", NOT SO

[AAO]

28. They're as much liars as the teabaggers.

And isn't the debt limit and budget between the house and senate to produce? All Obama does is sign it or not, and nothings gotten to his desk yet! So how the hell are they deflecting the crisis onto him? The repukes orchestrated this all by their small-minded selves.

BONER is DICKLESS!

[Cha]

31. Thanks geek..

http://theobamadiary.com/

[freshwest]

41. Very good! *steals*

[denbot]

32. President O's greatest legacy will be giving democrats a spine.

Thank you Mr. President.

[SunSeeker]

33. K & R

[frylock]

34. stand strong, Mr. President!

THIS is what I voted for in 2008, right here!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

56. what did you vote for in 2012?

[frylock]

62. i voted for not romney

[RitchieRich]

63. ...better

I went Green in 2012 (just for the presidential vote), but lately have been wondering if I am starting to warm up to him again. a little.

[colsohlibgal]

35. Happy Day

It took him awhile but better late then never.

[sheshe2]

36. K&R

[LaPera]

37. Exactly correct! Fuck the republicans extortion tactics!

[ffr]

38. Boehner got to save face. He got his conversation.

[Blue Owl]

39. That's our man

No more deals with the devil.

[konnie]

40. FINALLY!!!!!!

it only took 6 years, but looks like the guy we voted for learned his lesson. limpuglicants can never be trusted.
ever. none of them. not in any elected office, and not one of their string yanking owners.

let's keep our fingers crossed that for the first time he goes BIG! BOLD! BALLS TO THE WALL.
he has a few hours to pull off the coup of a poltical life time and crush these teavangel wingnuts and
the kochroach brigade once and for all.

it's actually his duty to not only save the country from financial Armageddon, but take this
tactic out of the political arsenal once and for all for him and future presidents.

the president should demand an end to the shutdown.
the president should demand an end to the sequestration.
the president should demand the scrapping of the continuing resolution.
the president should demand the house agree to his last budget numbers
and
the president should demand that the debt ceiling be eliminated or put on
automatic pilot.

hang them out to dry.

[calimary]

43. Welcome to DU, konnie!

Glad you're here! I love your "cochroach brigade" and your pointing out that the opposition is simply NOT to be trusted. They have a bigger agenda - to wipe out all the gains we made as progressives in the modern era, for voting, for women, for workers, etc. And I'm glad he's standing firm - mentioning the reality he has to consider, which is ALL future presidents facing crises. He has to take the long view. This is standing up for democracy itself, and the whole notion upon which our democracy is built: the majority rule. One little sliver of the population does NOT get to have its way just because it thinks it's superior and entitled. I don't care how fervently they believe it, how tightly they hold to its supposed roots in the Bible, how fiercely the embrace the whole "lord of the manor" thing being entitled to rule, because of some "Divine Right" of white males, preferably those who also are property owners. Heck, even the mostly radical extremist and war-monger Thomas Friedman in the NYTimes writes about this as THE reason Obama MUST stand firm! Even Thomas Friedman.

This stupid shit they're pulling HAS to stop. It must NOT become embedded in our culture as the way we do business.

[russspeakeasy]

45. + 1 and Welcome....

[freshwest]

46. All you said.

[mostlyconfused]

57. Ok. Then what next?

After he gets those things and wins this battle, what are the strategies to balance the budget and start reducing the debt, because that would be another way to eliminate the debt ceiling as a political weapon.

[freshwest]

42. Glad to hear this after discussing it at a gathering tonight, some thought he'd made a deal.

And everyone was furious at the GOP threatening their retirement and the care of people they know, and the veterans as well.

Not only from the debt ceiling, but the shutdown and the sequester!



(And I got another solution to get into Obamacare at no extra monthly cost.)

[calimary]

51. Well, goodness gracious, are we starting to discover that government can actually be a good

and useful thing? Something WORTH having? Something that helps people? Something of value that's good to have? That government is NOT the problem? Hmmm... well, how 'bout that? Maybe we can finally do more than simply take back the House. Maybe we can start taking back our country from the fucking reagan legacy!

The bad guys have been trying to reprogram the public for 30 years - ever since reagan - and condition the mainstream thinking such that government is a bad thing, unnecessary, meddling, superfluous, wasteful, bloated, awful, icky, and did nothing but give away free stuff to the undeserving. Unless you start drilling down - or they're FORCED to start drilling down, themselves - to find out that the purported undeserving are the nation's war dead, or their grieving families, or children stricken with cancer, or the disabled, or ... it goes on and on. Gee, guess what? The government does stuff we actually do want and need and appreciate. Stuff we think is worthwhile paying for and for which we'll agree to open the spigot back up even if it's tax money. Fellow Americans who've been furloughed who need their jobs. And we can see their faces and sympathize. Probably would, at this very instant, be fucking grover norquist straight in the heart - assuming he had one.

For so long America has been force-taught that all that amiable, presumably harmless, kindly old uncle stuff that reagan sold on behalf of his fat-cat benefactors and industrialists and capitalists about the government being bad, undesirable, and "the problem." That's 30-plus years of thought conditioning and perception management that we may finally be able to start reversing. Although some of us expected as much from the eye-opening jolt of Hurricane Katrina, and since then, Hurricane Sandy and a few monster tornados - that underscored how important - CRITICALLY important and necessary and appreciated and helpful and positive - government actually was. And that sure didn't last long. Wonder how long it'll take before this lesson finally takes root?

[freshwest]

53. +1 million. Thanks for your words on this thread!

[tallahasseedem]

44. That's our President!

[Tigress DEM]

47. K & R

[arcane1]

49. nice try n/t

[uppityperson]

50. Influx, isn't there.

[texanwitch]

52. Stick it to them.

They started this mess.

They need a major ass kicking or it will happen again.

The tea party or other groups like them will run more fools for congress.

This has to stop, better now then later.

[BillyRibs]

54. Then yank the G.D. football out of the kick!

[Divine Discontent]

55. the repugs deserve something out of this darnit! it's hard work causing economic duress on millions

I think they deserve a 2014 defeat!



http://www.zazzle.com/shutdown_the_gop_by_voting_in_2014_government-128195183613839642?rf=238107662556833486

[happypeacebug]

59. k&R

[Spitfire of ATJ]

60. However, Obama tranforming into a white guy is off the table.

[lonestarnot]

61. Yes we are!

[IkeRepublican]

64. The Uhmurricun peepul...

...muh daddy owned a tavern...err, ugh - (vomiting sound)

Err, I'm in the mood for luuuuuv. Simply 'cause yer near me. Funny but when you're near me...uh, (vomiting sound)...oh yeah.

Anybody who's heard Steve Martin's Wild And Crazy Guy album will know what I mean.