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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan Anyone Think of Any Reason to Marry Rush Limbaugh...
Other than for his money or due to actually really liking him?
I'm sure there are some scenarios by which we can give Mrs. Limbaugh the BOTD and neither have her appear to be a gold digger or an insane wingnut herself.
Any ideas?
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)I'm thinking "Alien Mind Control"... or perhaps the "MK Ultra" project. I'm sure rush has friends in the Pentagon.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,270 posts)n/t
think
(11,641 posts)The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)That's DUzy stuff there.
boston bean
(36,851 posts)HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)malaise
(292,327 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)I really did burst out laughing!
11 Bravo
(24,273 posts)geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)Lint Head
(15,064 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)She is SERIOUSLY earning that money.....
boston bean
(36,851 posts)Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)Duh?
MineralMan
(150,552 posts)Some women do not behave in ways that feminists like. Same with men. Some men do not behave in ways some men like. Every person is an individual and has individual motives and reasons for doing what they do. The comment was not directed at women in general, but at one specific woman.
Sexism requires what is said to be directed at the entire class or at the majority of women. In this case it is not so directed. If you do not know women who make decisions about marriages based on monetary issues, then you do not know every woman. Not every woman is a feminist. No every woman marries for the motivations feminists think are appropriate.
It is incorrect to assign sexism to a statement about one, individual woman.
boston bean
(36,851 posts)but yet, there are some, or one woman, who might be one on the face of this earth.
It's still a sexist term used against women.
Sexist stereotypes. That a woman is only in it for the money. Gives sex for the $$.
When no one has offered up any proof that, that is the case. There is NO proof of it. Yet, it continues to be used (this stereotype) to attack Rush by focusing on the woman he married.
Rush is a cretin, a sexist asshole. There are many sexist assholes running around on the face of this earth, and many women happen to be married to them.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)it's vorbotten for us to speculate on his wife's motivations to marry this pig? What do you think...she's the perfect feminist ideal of what a woman should be and her reasons for marrying him are beyond reproach? Give me a break. She fits the perfect sexist stereotype - a woman marrying a man because of the size of his bank account. Where's your proof she isn't?
virgogal
(10,178 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)or dead, than married to him.
boston bean
(36,851 posts)Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)against ALL WOMEN but simple speculation. There are golddiggers of both genders, I'm sure you're aware of that. Noone is stating that the women who marry that "thing"
shudders at the thought), is a golddigger or a sex worker. In fact, the OP actually excluded money.as a reason. Noone meant it that way neither is anyone being disrespectful toward women and I am one. I often wonder about the reasons a woman would marry such a a vile "human being".
boston bean
(36,851 posts)It would be something I could imagine Rush would say about his wife (s).
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)about how he treats his wives. Then, as I was saying, it isn't sexist to speculate why ANYONE male or female, would marry this idiot and the reasons why they would marry him. I don't get it.
boston bean
(36,851 posts)She would only marry him for his $$. She would only have sex with him for $$.
and these stereotypes and arguments have been used against women for ages.
Upton
(9,709 posts)
treestar
(82,383 posts)And suggesting many others might not also? Especially younger, attractive women?
Is it just as sexist to imply women might marry a guy who looks like George Clooney for his looks? We're just talking about sexual attractiveness here, it's not sexist to suggest this man is not sexy to younger women and that they might have married him for his money. That some women might do that is not sexist. Men do it too - they are called gigolos.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)How is the OP in any way sexist?
Drale
(7,932 posts)either a heart attack or he will collapse in on himself.
boston bean
(36,851 posts)Drale
(7,932 posts)boston bean
(36,851 posts)You know rush is a sexist, he doesn't have respect for women, and to try and go after his wife, as a gold digger.
Well, that's just plain sexist, too.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)boston bean
(36,851 posts)if so, prove it please.
if not please stop using sexist stereotypes.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)You're the actual 'sexist' here.
By stating that marrying for money is only a female stereotype, you are suggesting that man can not or do not do the same thing.
That's quite the double-standard.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)And you are sounding like a broken record.
I don't have a problem with the posts you are whining about. Stop trying to censor opinions.
boston bean
(36,851 posts)I think he is an evil human being.
However, talking about his wife, the way Rush talks about women, does seem a bit, well.. weird, off, odd, sexist.
Nice try in trying to insinuate I support Rush.
I can hold two thoughts in my head at the same time.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)Just run around screaming "SEXISM!!!" and maybe you'll get it right once in a while. That works.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)boston bean
(36,851 posts)MineralMan
(150,552 posts)reasons? Truly? Some do, in fact. To say that is true in this particular case is not a sexist statement. It is a statement about one person's motivations.
boston bean
(36,851 posts)By men who think women are only in it for the money.
MineralMan
(150,552 posts)This is a discussion of one woman who married a very loathsome man, and speculates about the reason that individual woman did so. I personally know two women who married men only because they were wealthy. Both admit it. Both now regret it.
Your statement indicates that you are generalizing from a very specific case. That is a logical error. Unless you believe that no woman marries a man because of his money, you are in error in this thread, which talks about one specific woman and one specific man.
It is sexist to say that most or even a large number of women marry for money. It is not sexist to say that a particular woman did so.
cyglet
(529 posts)so 4 women married a very loathsome man...
MineralMan
(150,552 posts)I don't take your point.
boston bean
(36,851 posts)Prove to me she married him for the $$.
MineralMan
(150,552 posts)as people have speculated here. Not one person present can say for sure why she married that loathsome toad of a man. The speculation is about an individual, not a class. No proof is required. It is speculation, based on something that is a fact in some cases. So, it's legitimate and not sexist. To be sexist it would have to be a general statement. It is not such a statement.
I don't have to prove anything. I'm arguing based on pure logic.
Now, if the poster said something like, "The only reason any woman would marry a rich man is for the money," that would be a sexist statement, and I would object to it as sexism. To say, however, "This woman married that loathsome piece of shit for his money," is a judgment that no person could possibly love such a man or marry him for any other reason. One person is being discussed. Since some women do, in fact, marry men for money, it is not sexism to suggest that a particular woman did so in this case.
The difference is in the reference to one, rather than a class.
boston bean
(36,851 posts)There many loathesome men out there, that are married....
The stereotype has been around for ages. That women marry for money. Women divorce and take men to the cleaners.
It is sexist, whether you agree or not, is really not my concern.
I vehemently disagree with you. C'est la vie!
Ruby the Liberal
(26,594 posts)People like that (golddiggers) don't exist?
People who make $20mm a year and are married 4x aren't possibly "attractive" to someone half their age (60 vs 33) because of the lifestyle and cashflow?
"Sexism" allegations can go to far - when they become such black and white issues. You are making this such.
boston bean
(36,851 posts)I would expect it from him.
However, because it could be a possibility, does not mean it is. And it's been a broad base smear used against women for a very long time.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,594 posts)What I was responding to. I get your dissatisfaction with the speculation, but you can't rule it out either.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)entitled to our opinions of that golddigger.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Thanks for playing!
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)There are books and websites dedicated to this very subject. Hell, google "How to Marry for Money" and you will be blessed with hours of reading. So, if someone were to simply point out that due to the spring/fall thing, his genuine acerbity, and poor physical appearance the only thing that appears to be attractive per today's societal norms is his large bank account, I think you have to admit that there is at least a good chance to assume his financial stability had something to do with his much younger wife deeming him a suitable mate.
Mopar151
(10,343 posts)You gotta rememger she's dealt with rich goobers before, as a "party planner" - and the possibility exists that El Rushbo is not the nastiest piece of work in his neighborhood. Beats the hell out of being a "Craigslist" escort.......
He does come well accessorized, and he does leave the swanky house every weekday.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Response to The Doctor. (Original post)
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boston bean
(36,851 posts)Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)Uh oh, now I guess I'm ageist! I said 'old', and stuff.
Ohio Joe
(21,896 posts)Joking about homophobia and encouraging it to continue is ignorant though.
Javaman
(65,058 posts)repeated use of this thread being sexist.
But I could be wrong.
Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)I don't condone any kind of bigotry, but the whole "Captain Obvious" approach to anything and everything deemed offensive somehow in the thread ad nauseam just got to me.
My apologies for stirring the pot unnecessarily.
Ohio Joe
(21,896 posts)Because a shit load of people do not get it yet. Juries keep letting crap like this go so the next option is to point it out.
FreeState
(10,702 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,896 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 4, 2012, 09:19 PM - Edit history (1)
MineralMan
(150,552 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)The first time I ever saw / read the term "beard" was in relation to Joseph P. Kennedy Sr.
Kennedy was a serial adulterer, and he used other men as to cover up he fact he was dating other women while his wife was at home raising the children. The term "beard" was specifically used by more than one author to reference these men.
I thus reject your attempt, and anyone's attempt, to relate the term beard strictly to lesbians and gays.
izquierdista
(11,689 posts)The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)G1!
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)kag
(4,189 posts)If the rumors are true his sexual preferences lean more toward little boys, so if you're an asexual woman with no conscience, why not get married and spend lots of cash? At least until the pre-nup expires and you can divorce him for a bigger wad.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)That's a better deal than the Jackie Kennedy/Ari Onassis marriage!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)If it went into court, of course, it would be anti-copulation stipulation situation litigation.
Or perhaps it's just that, due to his excessive girth he has suffered a form of penile negation.
kag
(4,189 posts)cyglet
(529 posts)if I wanted to be considered a second class citizen and condescended to every day. Must feel good.
jpak
(41,780 posts)lots of it
yup
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I would do it for them, but I can't think of a single other reason.
DFW
(59,696 posts)Sparkly
(24,819 posts)L. Coyote
(51,134 posts)To be mortified?
Better questions, "Would you divorce your partner for saying what Rush said?" or "How would you react ir your own partner or family said the same things?"
Even better question, "In whose culture do people say things like this?"
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)for reasons other than affection or money.
So I just wanted to see what creative and possibly plausible answers DU could come up with.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,594 posts)Cash. Just keeps coming back to cash, no matter what possible reasons could be out there.
Raine
(31,080 posts)auburngrad82
(5,029 posts)I mean, it happened with Anna Nicole Smith, didn't it?
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)and seeing that "thing" waiting for you, grinning at you with more chins than a S.F. phonebook? Ugh.....I get nauseated just thinking about it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)right now and could do no better than someone who looks like Rush, physically, but due to his attitude, still couldn't do it - no amount of money in the world would allow me to develop any relationship with that person! Even I find him repulsive and I'm fat, 50s and poor!
auburngrad82
(5,029 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I find him repulsive and likely most liberal women would not find his sexually attractive. But not everyone has the same standards.
What makes me suspicious, in his case, is the relative attractiveness. Why a slim, 30s, blonde would find him more attractive than other men who would be attracted to her, younger, better looking, slimmer, but not as wealthy - again, anything can happen and we all have different tastes, but it's just weird that she wouldn't find many other, less rich, men much more attractive sexually than Rush.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)There is universal agreement that Limbaugh is a spokesman for the Republican Party. He is someone people on the Right listen to. By being with Limbaugh some of that status transfers to her. Maybe she is thinking "I'm married to Rush Limbaugh."
Maybe she agrees with everything he says.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And just find men attractive when they have money. We women are told that's how we feel anyway - though I don't think it's true for all. The Anna Nicoles and others - I just don't understand, but that's me.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Seriously, though... no, I can't...
ladywnch
(2,672 posts)Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)And I have no doubt Elton performed at that wedding out of curiosity more than anything else! Of course he was paid well but, I think satisfying his curiosity was the big bang in it !Or is that what you call the icing on the old cake!
Elton John was married once for a short time ! He may have even offered Rush some consultation when he is ready !Although that may have been part of the entertainment !
She married the guy ,that in and of itself says it all-.
agree or not she has to be as much of jerk as he is.
Blue Owl
(58,127 posts)n/t
Bluerthanblue
(13,669 posts)It's an ugly, self-righteous thing to do, no matter who does it.
It isn't funny or amusing when people like Rush do it- OR when we do it.
Is that the kind of people we want to be?
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)without whom discourse has become a cauldron of unreason and civility anathema to itself.
You're right, no one should ever be made to face what they are.
Bluerthanblue
(13,669 posts)you judge Limbaugh to be a monstrosity and question how in the world anyone could possibly care about him, or agree to marry him - how is that so different from his disgusting comments and judgements that he uses to attack people he choses to see as 'them' people he disparages and dehumanizes?
It's ok to do it because he does it? screw that.
I believe that who people choose to love, and why is not the business of anyone- to judge or to control. The ugly comments in reply to your OP are no less disturbing than Limbaughs vile words.
You think that because a woman entered into marriage with Limbaugh makes her fair game for hatred and scorn- why do you feel the need to stir up others to join you in this? Are you looking for confirmation that it's ok to do something you claim to hate Limbaugh for doing?
This isn't any less disgusting... but then maybe you'll say "ah well, we're just being humorus" .....
hyprocricy is ugly- Yes, I agree people should face what they are- especially when facing that gives them reason to pause and wonder if they really want to stay the way they are- or continue travelling down the ugly path they've chosen.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)It is your opinion that expressing my opinion of this woman is 'ugly and self-righteous'.
I'll tell you what it is: Deserved.
This woman should recognize that she's either a 'gold-digger' or just as nasty a piece of work as Rush. In fact, I'm sure she does, so I can't see any harm in giving an opinion she herself might agree with... just not out loud.
As for your concern over 'appearances', there's a word for those who would admonish me for stating an opinion they agree with: 'Dishonest'. We should be able to make our opinions and observations known when we want to. In this case, there really isn't much of a reason for me not to because anyone reading this, including Rush's fans, would likely agree that she either really likes/loves him or that she has ulterior motives.
It's really an inescapable dichotomy.
Bluerthanblue
(13,669 posts)comments with what you said.
Apply your statement : [div class =excerpt] there's a word for those who would admonish me for stating an opinion they agree with: 'Dishonest'. We should be able to make our opinions and observations known when we want to.
to what Limbaugh says every day. What is your goal? Limbaugh has several, money being among them What purpose does your questioning whether anyone could possibly have love for Limbaugh serve?
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)Sanity has left the building.
I'd ask you to explain how my statement "justifies" anything Rush said, but I don't think I'd get anything but more nonsense.
I think we're done here.
lpbk2713
(43,243 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,444 posts)HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)MoonRiver
(36,975 posts)So that leaves #1, his money. Even then, I would think that only an arrangement whereby he agrees not touch his wife and can only use her as a prop would fly. Yeah, he's THAT repulsive.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Not much protein, but lipids? Oh yeah, lots.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)But has anyone answered the actual question yet?
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)here are my conditions:
1. A pre-nup that gives me a large lump sum at the end of each year of marriage with a bonus equivalent to the sum of the yearly bonuses times the number of years at the inevitable end of the marriage.
2. A monthly access to sufficient funds to live in the manner in which I would like to become accustomed.
3. Live in separate living quarters with a biannual day-time visit of not more than 2 hours.
4. Hide the Viagra!!
See, it's not ALL about the money.