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[CreekDog]

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[kydo]

1. Really, Florida isn't in that WOW

I thought all the gun nuts rolled downed to Florida. I mean my state is shaped like a gun and many peeps here love their guns.

[darkangel218]

4. Strigent means strict.

FL doesnt have strict gun laws.

[kydo]

6. I know but with the love of guns

in my state and it seems to always make the news with stories involving crazy people with guns. I figured the amount of gun violence would bump us up on the list despite the lax laws on carrying.

[darkangel218]

8. Nope.

I'm in FL too.

It seems the crime rate is higher in the sates with more gun control rules.

[kydo]

14. while its good to know

A gun store opened around the corner. Right after the election. Its funny because in this corner is a bar, the medical shoppe, a karate school, and a funeral home. Of course across the street is a house with the Israeli Flag and The Confederate Flag (not the rebel flag but the stars and bars).

[darkangel218]

20. Same here. We just had a new gun store open.

Now.. FL may not be perfect. But we have a huge amount of progressive people here. Huge amount of artists, bands , gay people.
Something which I bet doesn't exist in TX or some other gun nut state.

We are different. Like a breed of our own.

Go FL!!

[kydo]

30. I like it here too

I know and we take part in lot of the arts. Music, mainly. But the people are nutty but that's ok because I am nutty too.

[darkangel218]

33. Hahahahaha!

+1

[SQUEE]

38. Never heard of 6th street?

Hippy Hollow? Deep Ellum? All pretty cool places in Texas for music, SXSW has always been pretty artsy...
Other "gun nut" States? How bout little 5 points in Atlanta, the Ryman in Nashville, Bealle Street in Memphis, there's this place in Lousiana, called New Orleans, little are known as the French Quarter... so yeah we "Gun Nut" states are doing okay when it comes to artists, bands, and gay people... many of whom are "Gun Nuts"...

[darkangel218]

2. Whow , have you changed your stance on the gun laws?

What am I missing here

[SomethingFishy]

3. And?

This proves what?

[darkangel218]

5. That whatever strict ( "strigent") gun control laws exist in those states

Do not work.

Lol

[petronius]

7. Are you sure you didn't mean "least stringent" there?

There's nothing in your link to describe state gun control policies, but those are not the states that come to mind when I think of restrictive or stringent regulation...

Note also that the link isn't specifically about firearms or violence involving firearms - the whole gamut of violent crime is being addressed.

[darkangel218]

11. He probably made a mistake.

Lol

[NuclearDem]

12. The title seems to be sarcastic.

[tosh]

54. Yep!

[cleduc]

9. STUDY: States With Loose Gun Laws Have Higher Rates Of Gun Violence

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/04/03/1811311/study-states-with-loose-gun-laws-have-higher-rates-of-gun-violence/

[cthulu2016]

10. stringent means more gun control, not less

[darkangel218]

13. Creek dog?

[cali]

15. yes, I know you're being sarcastic, but

honestly, I think there are other factors beyond gun laws, like poverty, gang activity, etc.

Vermont has virtually no gun laws and has a low rate of gun violence- and most of that is suicide. Want to carry openly? No permit needed as long as you're over 16. Same goes for cc.

[nomorenomore08]

18. Also population density, I would think. VT has the second fewest people after Wyoming.

[CreekDog]

19. so you're saying the exception proves the rule

you're so smart like that.

[cali]

31. no, I'm saying there are other factors. try being smart like that, dear.

[Fumesucker]

63. Well, Vermont ~is~ rather monochromatic

That would be an "other factor".

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/50000.html

[Agnosticsherbet]

16. Stringent means "strict, precise, and exacting." Alaska one of the most lenienit states.

http://www.deseretnews.com/top/1429/9/Alaska-10-states-with-the-most-lenient-gun-laws-.html

None of these states are among the ten strictest states.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Photo-Galleries/Lists/States-with-the-strictest-gun-laws#259367

Studies show that U.S. states with most gun laws have far fewer gun deaths.

So I'm not really sure what you mean with this OP. The evidence I can finds does not agree. The article you linked to doesn't say this.

[darkangel218]

23. OP is MIA.

[Agnosticsherbet]

26. Missing in Action? Sorry to hear that. I'll play Taps.

[CreekDog]

53. .

[Agnosticsherbet]

62. The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated. Mark Twain

[pintobean]

27. ...

A little souvenir from Meta.

[darkangel218]

28. Umm.. when you OP a thread it kind of sucks when you post and run.

Doesn't it?

[CreekDog]

36. I didn't post and run

I'm here. I've responded.

[darkangel218]

40. Not to me, you havent.

[CreekDog]

41. so it's post and run if I don't respond to you ?

ok.

[darkangel218]

46. How many others have you responded so far?

And you posted something completely innacurate. Unless it was sarcasm, which you didn't specify.

LOL!!!

[pintobean]

44. Depends on the thread

but this one, yeah. It's failed sarcasm.

[Skip Intro]

64. That has been apparent for years.

[DarkTirade]

32. *facepalm*

sar·casm
ˈsärˌkazəm/
noun
noun: sarcasm; plural noun: sarcasms

1.
the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
"his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment"
synonyms: derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing;

[darkangel218]

34. Kind of bs if not mentioned. nt

[DarkTirade]

42. No. When the list he provides includes South Caroline and Alaska, the sarcasm is in full bloom.

Not every post needs a smiley face to help the reader interpret it. Common sense is a useful tool.

[darkangel218]

43. So i can post mislesding OPs without any sarcasm tag

Ok, good to know.

[DarkTirade]

50. I am genuinely baffled why anyone is confused here.

Let alone multiple people.

Are people that genuinely incapable of rational thought or common sense? Or basic comprehension?

South Carolina. The butt of every southern joke that isn't directly about Texas. Alaska. The home of Sarah Palin. New Mexico. Seriously? You genuinely can't tell that this is sarcasm? Do you need emoticons to tell you how to feel about everything?

[darkangel218]

52. Well, go on and ask all the other posters who call BS.

[DarkTirade]

56. Yes, all of the other posters who also lack basic common sense.

I assume that most of DU will read this post, roll their eyes, and move on.

As I think I'm going to do. Adieu.

[darkangel218]

59. Sarcams tag is there for a reason, especially when posting stats

Not our fault he is not using it

[pintobean]

65. As someone else pointed out

sarcasm doesn't work well with statistics. That's basic common sense.

[Aerows]

17. TN and AK have stringent gun laws?

What?

[Shrike47]

21. No, they don't.

The states with the most stringent guns laws are:

California

New Jersey

Massachusetts

New York

Connecticutt

I think in Alaska you are required to shoot something at least weekly or Sarah Palin comes to your house and jabbers at you until you cry.

[darkangel218]

22. OP? do you have me on iggy

[CreekDog]

37. No I don't.

[darkangel218]

39. Aw goodie!!

[Callmecrazy]

60. I did for a while...

because you keep insisting that Coors Light is beer.
But it didn't last long because I was missing you.


BUT COORS IS NOT BEER!

[darkangel218]

61. LMAO!!!

[spanone]

24. bullshit.

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Summary tables[edit]

Subject/Law Long guns Handguns Relevant Statutes Notes
State Permit to Purchase? No No None No
Firearm registration? No No None No
"Assault weapon" law? No No None No
Magazine Capacity Restriction? No No
Owner license required? No No None No
Carry permits issued? No* Yes TCA 39-17-1351 Permits are "shall-issue". Concealed or open carry of a handgun is allowed with permit. *Loaded long gun carry is generally illegal. Those with a Handgun Carry Permit(HCP) holders may have loaded longs in a private vehicle so long as there is not a round in the chamber 39-17-1307(e) There are also other exceptions (like for hunting) listed in 39-17-1307
Open carry permitted? Yes Yes § 39-17-1307, 39-17-1308 Open carry of loaded handguns is permitted for those who have been issued a license to carry. Long guns may only be carried unloaded.
State Preemption of local restrictions? Yes Yes 39-17-1314 Tennessee is an anomalous State. The Legislature made a loop hole for cities and municipalities with laws in effect prior to April 8, 1986. The local ordinances in effect before April 8, 1986 pre-empt State law see TCA 39-17-1314(a). Local governments may post signs per 39-17-1359 to prohibit carry on government property, just like private property owners.
NFA weapons restricted? No No None On July 1, 2003 public chapter 275 is in effect. It requires the CLEO, chief law enforcement officer, to sign NFA paperwork in 15 days if the applicant is not prohibited from possessing firearms. see TCA 39-17-1361 .
Peaceable Journey laws? No No None Federal rules observed.
Self-Defense Law Yes Yes 39-11-611 There is not duty to retreat before using deadly force, as long as you are acting lawfully and are in a place you have a right to be in. It is presumed you had a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury if someone unlawfully and forcibly enters a residence, business, dwelling or vehicle.

[LiberalEsto]

25. I thought NY, NJ, Maryland and DC had some of the toughest gun laws. nt

[HereSince1628]

29. Some stuff studies in this thread is about crimes and some of it is about gun violence

I'm wondering if the difference between those two superficially related things account for the seeming contradictions?

[Jenoch]

35. Statistics don't tell the whole story.

These violent crime rates don't seem to differentiate between crimes that involve gang on gang violence, or criminal upon criminal violence, or husband/wife violence. The statistics might have more merrit if they only used stranger on stranger crime statistics.

[Motown_Johnny]

45. Please delete these lies, Only Maryland makes the top 10 in both.

And the simple fact that people must lie to make their point means that the point is wrong. From your link.. the top 10 most violent states in the USA

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2013/10/04/the-most-dangerous-states-in-america/2/

^snip^

10) Oklahoma
9) Maryland
8) Florida
7) Louisiana
6) Delaware
5) South Carolina
4) New Mexico
3) Alaska
2) Nevada
1) Tennessee


And the 10 states with the strictest gun control laws (ranked from the Brady Campaign as they do every year)

http://www.deseretnews.com/top/1428/10/California-10-states-with-the-strictest-gun-laws.html

^snip^

10) Pennsylvania
9) Illinois
8) Rhode Island
7) Maryland
6) Hawaii
5) Connecticut
4) New York
3) Massachusetts
2) New York
1) California




If you want to spread lies there are plenty of other websites out there for you. Please keep to reality here.

[darkangel218]

47. OP claims it was sarcasm.

Without no sarcasm tag.

[Motown_Johnny]

48. all the more reason to delete

[darkangel218]

49. He never will.

....

[The Straight Story]

57. Creekdog is a he? Damn, no wonder I couldn't get a date

[darkangel218]

58. Not sure of the gender.

I only assumed. My bad if I was wrong

[CreekDog]

51. quote?

[darkangel218]

55. So youre saying what you posted is true?

No sarcasm?

[CreekDog]

68. don't put words in my mouth

[darkangel218]

69. So it is or is not??

[CreekDog]

70. you don't get to put words in my mouth and then make demands of me

no.

[pintobean]

71. Why not? Do you have a patent on that?

[darkangel218]

73. lmao!!!

[bhikkhu]

66. Cause and effect? Perhaps the level of violence requires stricter gun control laws

...and wouldn't it be logical, as laws are usually passed based on the need for them, that gun violence would lead to gun control?

[rrneck]

67. That was a major league fake out.

[jmowreader]

72. What is Alaska's gun law? "Must carry"?