32 Republicans Who Caused the Government Shutdown ( 20 from ex-Confederacy)

[coldmountain]

32 Republicans Who Caused the Government Shutdown

"So who are those hardliners? To compile this list, we started with a roster that the Senate Conservatives Fund, a group aligned with Ted Cruz, created of representatives who were allied with them. We cross-checked it with the list of members who signed an August letter by Rep. Mark Meadows demanding that Boehner use a shutdown as a threat to defund Obamacare, and against other public statements this week. It's not a comprehensive roll — there’s no official “wacko bird” caucus that keeps a register — but it's a window into the small but powerful group of men and women in the House of Representatives who brought the federal government to a standstill."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-who-caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

[pacalo]

1. "20 from ex-Confederacy".

Why did you add that? It wasn't included in the article's actual title.

[mwrguy]

2. Because it's true?

That's a pretty good reason.

[pacalo]

3. It's strictly south-bashing bait.

[SaveAmerica]

4. What Pacalo said, meant to divide

[Tx4obama]

6. I believe on DU2 there was rule about region bashing...

... maybe it's time to get a petition going to ask Skinner to bring it back for DU3!

[klook]

12. +1. Meanwhile, the Trash Thread button is your friend. (n/t)

[cordelia]

53. There was. And there should be now, no matter what region it is.

I hate the posts that trash the Midwest, Arizona, whatever. It's not fair to those of us who live in those areas who are trying to make changes for the better.

And we are in every State.

[LittleBlue]

8. Yep

This north-south argument is getting old. Thought it would have been played out by now, but somehow it's still going strong on DU.

[Niceguy1]

65. I guess some people are still fighting the Civil War.

otherwise they would just can't seem to move past it

[Nanjing to Seoul]

9. When southern politicians do something stupid, bash them. I'm from Arizona

And on the Top Ten Conservative Idiots of the Week article I write each week, I savage them. People in the south need to develop thicker skin.

[SoapBox]

26. Ditto to the thicker skin.

I have to work with many of those thin skins...don't EVEN dare say anything about their "region."

BUT they WILL put you in your place and a knife in your back in a heartbeat.

It's a whole different mentality that I have never understood for 30 years.

[IrishAyes]

36. Pssst.... It's called the Sore Losers Club.

[pintobean]

39. When politicians do something stupid, bash them.

The region that they are from only seems to matter if it's the south.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

41. Hmmm. . .next time I hear someone call Arizona an embarrassment to the country, I'll remember

this post and try to remember that it "only seems to matter if it's the south."

Honestly. . .people in the south need thicker skin.

[pintobean]

43. I'm not in the south

and my skin is just fine. Arizona is not a region, it's a state. If one refers to an asshole from Arizona as being typical of the southwest, you would have something comparable.

People are not 'guilty' by regional or state association, or for the sins of their fathers.

Constantly trying to find ways of dividing ourselves is destructive.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

46. Yes, let's all sing Kumbiyah and give a group hug.

I love the ignore button.

[pintobean]

47. Yes, ignore everyone who disagrees with you.

It will make your opinion seem more popular.

[cordelia]

52. And I trash your little article every week because of your

bigotry toward the South.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

54. whatever floats your boat.

This week I lambasted Ted Cruz (southerner), Lindsay Graham (southerner), Rand Paul (southerner), Marsha Blackburn (southerner), Louie Gohmert (southerner), and Mick Mulvaney (southerner).

I also attacked Paul Ryan, Tom Corbett, Rush Limbaugh, John "Ohio Tearduct" Boehner, Teabagger Ranchers from SD, Frank Balles, Rob Schneider, Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber. These are not southerners.

I count six southerners to nine non-southerners.

But I have an anti-south bigotry in a feature that I am trying to resurrect that brought many people (like me) to this website back when it first started.

Yawn. . .and dismissed.

[pacalo]

68. The top 10 conservative idiots is something I looked forward to reading

& I've recommended it whenever I was online to read it. I wish you had remained neutral on the South in this thread, though. It's not like I didn't have a point about coldmountain's intent.

The person who submitted this OP & editorialized the article's title has been a jerk in other threads as well. Coldmountain's name is seen throughout this thread baiting others:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023866471

[Nanjing to Seoul]

69. When southern politicians do something stupid, bash them. Same with Southerners

Being from the South doesn't excuse people from idiotic and being called on it.

Again, I am from Arizona. I have no sympathy.

[YoungDemCA]

19. Indeed

But, some can't help themselves.

[pecwae]

38. Division, division, division.

[cordelia]

51. Winning comment.

[Eleanors38]

64. The OP is aggressively seeking legitimacy for regionalism.

And will probably continue to do so. There is NOTHING constructive in the post, nor was there any purpose in the post but to divide and cast opprobrium onto Southerners and fellow DUers.

Again. The OP is regionalist, divisive, and devoid of any positive or constructive content.

[Billybob76]

7. Petition

Would you guys mind signing this? The shut down was an act of sedition and am investigation might help deter it from happening again.


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-republican-leadership-crime-seditious-conspiracy-against-united-states-america/Vg7Dh3J6

[Tigress DEM]

29. DONE

[Logical]

63. Is it s lie? I am from fucking GOP Kansas and we are a right wing heaven. I am not defending...

Kansas bashing and never will.

[VanillaRhapsody]

5. Why ...were all Southerners Confederates during the Civil War?

I think pinning the Confederate moniker on them is appropriate now that we have seen their "flag bearer" in front of the White House..


If it walks like a Confederate...talks like a Confederate....It must BE a Confederate.

[Uncle Joe]

13. They had at least three flag bearers sporting the Stars and Stripes to one Confederate Flag

Using your logic if it walks like an American...talks like an American...It must be BE an American.

So should we pin the American moniker on them?

[VanillaRhapsody]

14. Oh right...they so Identify with the Union....go ahead ask em...

"War of Northern Agression"

:snort:

[Uncle Joe]

17. Well flags mean everything with some people and the majority of flags are U.S. Flags.

If they're regionalists as you contend, you might ask some of our regionalist supporting posters here at D.U. to "ask em."

The regionalists here would have more in common with the protesters as both seek to further division of the nation.

[IrishAyes]

33. uh... is 'regionalist' the right term for anyone who dares dis the demigod Lee?

Apparently it's immoral to snatch the fig leaf off this sacred cow, then? (How I do love mixed metaphors!) Those of us who rightfully excorciate the man and his 'principles' are not the divisionists here. In fact we're actually doing the nation a service by pointing out the dangers of defending the indefensible.

[IrishAyes]

37. No, YOU don't understand; schizophrenic mindsets

allow them to claim that they can serve two masters, a long and well-debunked theory.

[melody]

15. The southern Appalachians were neutral during the Civil War

My ancestor had to leave his home and move to join the confederacy.

[VanillaRhapsody]

16. Nit picking...every rule has its exceptions...

My ancestors from the Southern Appalachians were conscripted but escaped and joined the Union Army over the border.

[melody]

20. The entire southern Appalachians is not "nit-picking"

The region was neutral.

[VanillaRhapsody]

21. lots of people were NOT Confederates....how can you not understand that?

I am not calling the entire south the Confederates...I AM calling the Tea Party that!

[melody]

24. Why are you arguing with my simple point as if it refutes your statements?

I'm not trying to win a war -- just point out a fact.

Chill.

[VanillaRhapsody]

25. It's always something around here....

It was a thread jack is what it was...

[IrishAyes]

34. Then your ancestors are heroes to me.

[VanillaRhapsody]

22. Oh and there were LOTS that were neutral during the Revolutionary war too...

[melody]

23. Two entirely different wars -- two entirely different reasons

If you need to feel superior to southerners, be my guest and do so. Doesn't make it true.

The only south I'm from is the south end of California, but we should be fair.

[VanillaRhapsody]

27. I am talking about Confederates...

not Southerners.....there is a difference. Not all Southerners were Confederates...

[IrishAyes]

10. Anyway,

We shouldn't have to make nice to Southern apologists (wherever they're located) who essentially are aiding and abetting dreams of a second Civil War with a different outcome from the first. Arguing for the Union is NOT - I repeat NOT - region bashing. We are quite well aware, thank you each and every one, that such treasonous behavior is to be found throughout the land. We are bashing treason, not a region, although it would take a blind man not to notice where most of the perpetrators seem to appear.

Yes, I do know where SP comes from. A state with a strong secessionist sentiment. In fact, she and her dear hubby Todd were members of the biggest group until they had to resign so she could run for governor. For half a term, so she could then unleash that venom across the land.

I'll quit railing about this when the modern day secessionist wannabes and their apologists shut up. Not before. Please note that I'm not including you in that group, coldmountain. Pointing out where 20 of those Republicans hail from was in no way excessive on your part but rather a matter of critical importance for which I applaud you.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

45. Except the OP isn't arguing for the Union, just the opposite

He's making every effort to push the division, increase alienation and keep people excluded from the political process. Who need neo-confederates when you have division such as the OP?

Heck, I bet you could find plenty of people in the South with Confederate ancestors who would A) disown the CSA and/or B) state their preference for the modern Union but they have no opportunity to make good on their sentiments because the OP segregates them out-of-hand for no reason except where they reside.

[IrishAyes]

55. Just for you, I'll go back and re-read the OP with binoculars

searching for a shred of evidence to support your claim.

Later:

Nope, sorry. Couldn't find anything because it's not there.

You're making a rash assumption that proper hammering of certain individuals and creeds necessarily involves divisionist region bashing when that's not the case at all.

Get This Straight, Everybody! THE SOUTH OR ANY OTHER REGION AS A WHOLE CANNOT CLAIM SACRED COW STATUS. That's so egocentric it boggles the mind. I join you in bashing McCarthyism, Guilliani and others. Do you accuse me/us of region bashing then? Hardly. But let anybody look askance at anything - anything at all! - regarding anyone or anything past or present in the Sacred South, and by damn them's fightin' words.

Can you see the inconsistencies there?

Here's a good old southern expression for you; clean up your own back yard before you throw dirt in mine. Thank you for listening! Another springs to mind - should the pot call the kettle black?

Trust me, I have an unending supply of such slogans. Most of them I learned from my own dear mother, who fled the South just like Robert E. Lee's daughter did. She turned her back on a sizable inheritance to marry my damnYankee father, and she would've had a heart attack if confronted with white supremacy apologists because she had a bellyful of that mess as a child. That's exactly what defending 'traditional Southern values and heritage' amounts to. White supremacy, no matter how much lipstick that pig wears on Sunday.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

57. "Nope, sorry. Couldn't find anything because it's not there."

Here's a slogan -- "There are none so blind as those who will not see."

If the OP isn't region bashing then why the repeated threads blaming southern states in general for the actions of particular people?

You're making a rash assumption that proper hammering of certain individuals and creeds

"Southern states" is not a creed or an individual.

THE SOUTH OR ANY OTHER REGION AS A WHOLE CANNOT CLAIM SACRED COW STATUS.

Ranter -- "You're from the south, you suck!"

Onlooker -- "I don't think that's a fair thing to say."

Ranter -- "OMG! Now you want sacred cow status!"

Who wants sacred cow status? I think people living in southern states would rather be judged for their individual accomplishments or faults. Found a neo-confederate? Okay. Have at but living in Georgia or the Carolinas or Tennessee etc. does not make a person a neo-confederate.

clean up your own back yard before you throw dirt in mine.

Said the guy chucking dirt over people's fences and then yelling at them for the mess.

There's another expression about dealing with the beam in your own eye before complaining about the mote in someone else's eye.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2011/tables/table-12

And then we can talk about minorities being ghettoized in those bastions of racial harmony known as northern states.

Most of them I learned from my own dear mother, who fled the South just like Robert E. Lee's daughter did. She turned her back on a sizable inheritance to marry my damnYankee father, and she would've had a heart attack if confronted with white supremacy apologists

Big whoop. You're making the fallacy that southerner = white supremacist.

BTW -- I'm not a southerner; the confederacy had no legal or moral right to secede, especially not over constitutionally advancing abolition and my state fought for the Union. I just choose to not paint with a broad brush and then whine about the color.

[IrishAyes]

59. There you go again, twisting my words

I take great pains to point out individual errors but you insist on doing exactly what you blindly accuse me of doing. I say that certain rabid secessionist politicians, many of whom may be found in the South BUT NOT EXCLUSIVELY, are tearing the nation apart and all of a sudden you morph that into region bashing?

When you stop bleating such drivel as when you wildly paraphrase things I never said, then maybe you'll have room to talk. Check with your doctor about paranoia - science has wonderful meds to offer you for that.

Until you remove the scales from your eyes, kindly don't pester me anymore. I've only persisted thus far in the futile effort to clear up your confusion because this website gets a lot of traffic, and I feel very protective towards innocent passersby who might fall for your inane accusations.

One last word from me, though; a belated thank you to my debate team instructors from high school onward who taught me to pick childish tactics like yours into a million tiny shards. While I'm busy handing out accolades, I mustn't forget to honor the book Games People Play. It had nothing to do with pinochle btw. Maybe brass knuckles, but that's another story.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

60. Where, exactly, have you refuted anything I stated. Granted, you've done a marvelous job

declaring yourself both the victim and the victor but you haven't really said anything.

I started in this thread noting that claiming 20/32 shutdown GOPers = all southern states suck is an absence of logic. Next thing I know you're on a word salad binge that not slamming an entire region simply for being an entire region somehow equates apologizing for white supremacists.

She turned her back on a sizable inheritance to marry my damnYankee father, and she would've had a heart attack if confronted with white supremacy apologists

Why even bring that up unless it's some sad attempt to make yourself look better through no virtue of your own and/or to associate southern with racist. It is possible to be a southerner and NOT be a white supremacist or an apologist thereof. That's the point people are trying to hammer into your stuck-up, tribalist skull.

[Eleanors38]

61. Ah! "aiding and abetting." Rings a bell from the 1950s.

Find any here on DU?

[MFrohike]

11. Only 20 are American?

I tend to think of every state that enforced the Fugitive Slave Acts as the Confederacy.

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. and they used "Militias" to enforce the Fugitive Slave Acts

and that is why the Second Amendment was put in there...because the South wanted to protect slavery by ensuring their was no standing army that could have overpowered their measly little Militias....and thus end slavery.

[Art_from_Ark]

42. The 2nd Amendment was added

in large part to be prepared for a possible invasion by England or other European power. Many songs from the Revolutionary War, such as The Riflemen of Bennington, extolled the virtues of owning firearms. Also, the frontier was an expansive and dangerous place, and a large number Americans at that time got much of their food from hunting.

[VanillaRhapsody]

44. no in fact it was not....

You need to read this:

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to-preserve-slavery

[Nuclear Unicorn]

48. Read it. That article is a load of tripe masquerading as anecdotal spin.

Part of the rationale behind Dredd Scott was if slaves had constitutional rights they would be allowed to own guns...and golly, wouldn't THAT be dangerous. Also note the number of free states that enshrined their own version of the 2A in their state constitutions as well as militias. The Federalist Papers also argue at length over the virtues and perils of maintaining a standing professional army. The 2A is about personal and national defense. And seeing as the early republic was rather cash-strapped militias were essential to national defense. It's simply too outlandish to suggest militias were exclusively for slave hunting.

Gun control was/is reserved for slaves.

[VanillaRhapsody]

66. the discussion wasn't about Dredd Scott...

you didn't read it then...

[IrishAyes]

31. Excellent point! I agree.

[bonniebgood]

18. Haven't these people been saying for 200 years that the South will rise again? n/t

[IrishAyes]

32. Another excellent point.

"Save your Confederate $, boys, the South's gonna rise again!"

[Nuclear Unicorn]

49. "200 years"?

[Eleanors38]

62. Yes. They are card-carrying clairvoyants.

[Southside]

30. Scott Garrett 5th district NJ, Needs to go in 2014

Take him down for shutting down the government and always voting against the rights of women, immigrants and anything else that helps working families

Thank you for the post. Now we know who they are.

[B Calm]

35. Indiana Representative: Marlin Stutzman = Big Time Dumb Ass

Representative: Marlin Stutzman

Home District: Howe, Indiana

Quoted: “We aren't going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

[IrishAyes]

40. Someone of whom I'm quite fond sent me a message yesterday evening

While I certainly won't betray his/her identity or personal correspondence, I want to share a portion of my reply:
..............................................................

"It's a cold hard fact that a large majority of Republicans Who Caused the Government Shutdown did come from the South. Pointing out that unfortunate but still critical fact doesn't even remotely imply that everyone in the South (or anywhere else) is cut from a single fabric. Conversely, the fact that they are NOT all the same does not change the fact to which I refer. When you appear to assume that all Southerners are being tarred with the same brush, it seems to indicate a bit of hypersensitivity. (Not that the Irish are immune to that either. You should see me leap into hyperdrive when anyone looks cross eyed at Gerry Adams!) When I attack Hitler, I do not attack all Germans, many of whom I admire. Neibhur(sp?) is as much President Obama's North Star as Lincoln. Same for myself. When I attack treasonous people wherever they show their colors, that's also not region bashing. I've tried to make it perfectly clear to one and all that I know, know of, and appreciate all sorts of people from around the world.

Besides, do you really think I want to summon the ghosts of Ann Richards and Barbara Jordan down on my poor little noggin? Naturally fractious as I might be at times, I ain't that stoopid. Let's also not forget that they might bring Molly Ivins with them for good measure. Really, I loved either one of those stalwarts every bit as much as I do Eleanor Roosevelt and Frances Perkins, the first female presidential cabinet member. The old joke with her was that she was in labor longer than any other woman in history. In fact, Social Security was really her idea, one she had to press upon FDR."
...................................................................................................

May I add this morning, dear hearts, that when anyone goes after McCarthyism for instance, I JOIN the pile-on. I don't shout "regionalism!" if that person happens to come from/reside in/favor the South. And hey, my favorite state in the entire Union, the most beautiful of all, MAINE, currently has inflicted upon itself one of the most odious Rethugs in the nation. I'll support anyone who cries foul against him. Anyone, anywhere. Go ahead, try me. He deserves his own thread actually to even scratch the surface.

Just don't make the tactical error of blaming the messenger or taking undue offense.

[seveneyes]

50. And School shooters are from blue states

Makes about as much sense as this ignorance.

[dawg]

56. And people accuse Southerners of never getting over the Civil War.

Good Grief!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

58. There is NO elephant in this room

I repeat, there is NO elephant in this room.

Please ignore the elephant....

[DemocraticWing]

67. I only counted 19

Which state are you retroactively adding to the Confederacy?

[dawg]

73. The total is 18.

He is retroactively adding both Kentucky & Missouri to the Confederacy.

[Rex]

70. SO the other 12 are from the Union?

What fresh crazy is this OP?

[YoungDemCA]

71. It seems odd that Tea Party *supporters* actually aren't over-represented in the South....

...but Tea Party politicians are.



The South contains about the same percentage of the American population as the percentage it contains of the nation's Tea Party supporters.

[coldmountain]

72. Link please?