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Here are some of the things the owner of a brick-and-mortar store is in a position to learn about his business these days, as Jules Polonetsky, the director of a Washington think tank, told me recently:
The average wait time at the back register is two minutes. Half of your customers have been in your store twice in a week. Ten percent of the people who come in your store never come near a register, meaning they don't buy anything. There are a lot of people not finding what they want. The big promotion on the east side entrance of your store was more successful at bringing people to purchase than the promotion on the west side of your store. Here's the hotspot in your store that draws the most users. The typical user comes in and purchases one thing. Ten percent of your users have been at more than one of your stores.
The list of insights is staggeringly specific, made possible by combining commercial ingenuity with an everyday technology that was never intended to be used this way.
Every smartphone these days comes equipped with a WiFi card. When the card is on and looking for networks to join, it's detectable by local routers. In your home, the router connects to your device, and then voila -- you have the Internet on your phone. But in a retail environment, other in-store equipment can pick up your WiFi card, learn your device's unique ID number and use it to keep tabs on that device over time as you move through the store.
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Creepy!
msongs
(73,754 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)It wastes battery if it's constantly scanning for WiFi networks. I sometimes forget to turn it off. This gives me one more incentive to remember.
LTR
(13,227 posts)It's a battery killer. Same with 3G/4G data (though I always leave this on) and GPS. It's not that I worry about anonymous data being collected, since they have no idea who I am and only have a simple MAC number. It's about wasting battery power when I'm not near a charger.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)Turn off the phone unless you're using it. People treat the damned things like pacemakers.
Logical
(22,457 posts)enlightenment
(8,830 posts)I use them - they don't use me.
Logical
(22,457 posts)enlightenment
(8,830 posts)phylny
(8,818 posts)"My cellphone is for my convenience." So, I call him when I need him and he doesn't answer. Fair enough, it's for his convenience. Until the day he called me about ten times and I didn't answer. When I got home, he asked if my phone rang, and I said "Yes."
"Why didn't you answer?"
You know what I said in return.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)On the other hand, if you regularly keep your phone on (and answer it when it rings), then it could be argued that he had a reasonable expectation that you would answer it . . .
Which is as far into a marital moment of tit for tat as I intend to get!
phylny
(8,818 posts)and I used this "teachable moment" to explain to him that since I rarely call him during the day unless I need him, it would really help if he kept his phone on and close to him.
CAN THIS MARRIAGE BE SAVED?
32+ years and if this is the worst problem, we'll be okay
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)If the phone isn't looking for wifi networks, wifi networks aren't seeing the phone. No problem.
Logical
(22,457 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)It's easy to just turn it on if you happen to need it.
But honestly, I am so sick of this mindless tracking of us. And I'm ready to join together with others in making a mockery of it.
I thought of this the other day. I'd been out to get a present for a friend at a department store, and on my way out had seen a display of a particular brand of shoes in the shoe department. I'm not a material girl, but I was really drooling over a pair (two styles actually) that caught my eye not just because they were beautiful and beautifully made but because they looked truly and honestly comfortable. They also cost a small fortune--more than two and a half times the cost of any pair of shoes I'd ever bought in my life. Oh well, I wasn't going to buy them anyway.
Later that afternoon, taking a break from my work, I decided to google the shoes and see if perhaps they ever went on sale anywhere. No, they do not seem ever to have been on sale anywhere. Okay, I felt better and decided I could put away my dream of these beautiful shoes forever. They were merely aspirational anyway, and really quite out of my league.
Then I went to check the news at Talking Points Memo. And there was an ad for the shoes I'd just moments before googled. This always pisses me off (TPM is one of the worst offenders on the Internet.) I mean, I just sought out these shoes myself; I didn't need to be reminded of something I was never going to get anyway.
And then I thought: They are profiling me, or at least profiling the "typical" TPM user. But it's not me. I'm honestly not the type that's going to buy a pair of $425 shoes ever. And then I thought, why not start messing with their heads and screw up their micro-targeting? Every time before I'm about to visit TPM, why not google something weird and completely out-of-character from the last thing? Combine fancy shoes with toilet seat covers; army surplus and a luxury hotel; ice-fishing gear and Twix bars; low-rent best sellers and an obscure philosophical treatise; K-Mart and Nieman Marcus one after the other?
Ugh, I hate feeling like I'm being followed and "pegged." Wait, I don't just feel it; there's proof positive every day that I am being followed.
dkf
(37,305 posts)I'm still not happy about it.
The do not follow Mac list looks good to me.
Journeyman
(15,449 posts)Best of all, it's free. . .
dkf
(37,305 posts)Journeyman
(15,449 posts)More important, in the two or more years I've used it, I haven't seen any negative effects that I can attribute to AdBlock. I use it on a Mac, running both Safari and Firefox.
Just Google "Adblock." It's a nice, ironic twist to getting it . . .
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)and when I just went to install Adblock, Firefox blocked it, although gave me the option to install it anyway. Should I? It's these sorts of things that leave me totally befuddled about how to use my computer, or what to be willing to download.
Journeyman
(15,449 posts)and I'm somewhat reluctant to advise you to go forward (I too am somewhat befuddled at times by the magic of the computer).
I don't suspect there would be a problem with going ahead and installing it (the initial block from Firefox may be something built in to the browser to make people think twice before they install items they've downloaded from the web), but you may wish to check with some other people first. Check with the Computer groups here on DU - there's one for both Macintosh and for the PC.
Good luck. If I find anything out myself, I'll send you a PM.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Maybe when I get back home I'll go ask the nice Geek Squad guys at my local Best Buy. We've been very good friends in recent weeks as both laptop and desktop computers have needed servicing.
phylny
(8,818 posts)Adblock majorly messed up so much of my browsing, I had to get rid of it.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I kind of think Firefox already blocks a lot of crap.
phylny
(8,818 posts)but it got so bad that I actually had to go back to a "clean" copy of Firefox and add things back in again.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)do that stuff for me.
As much as I love computers, I am frustrated by how unnecessarily complicated they can be to use. I want them to be at least as easy as my stick shift car, and sometimes they are not.
LTR
(13,227 posts)I use it with ABP on Firefox. Blocks all trackers.
reflection
(6,287 posts)First thing I install on all computers.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Possibly even the purchaser. That's life in the big city.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)Hmm that means thieves can also figure out when you've left it in the car.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)simply by tracking the unique ID around the store. They're monitoring traffic patterns in the store. That's very useful information for self-service retail stores. By analyzing traffic patterns they can optimize the store's design to increase sales.
Simply knowing that a phone is logged by the wife signature tells them nothing about the person carrying it. They use store loyalty cards for that. Swipe one of those, and the store knows exactly what you purchase. Now, that's useful information, which they'll use to print out coupons and other stuff to try to sell you more, or other, stuff.
I use mine, because it saves me 5 cents per gallon of gas every time I buy $50 worth of stuff at the supermarket. I don't care if they know what I buy, and I don't use those store coupons, because I buy the products I buy because I like them. I never seem to get coupons for the stuff I buy, so I don't use coupons at all.
I do use that 5 cents a gallon discount when I buy gas, though. The other day, I got 30 cents off my fuel purchase, which will last me for couple of weeks of driving. I like that. I paid under $3.00 per gallon. Yay!
dkf
(37,305 posts)It ties their wifi intrusion to your name. I guess that is worth a 5-10% discount.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)When the stuff I buy is rung up, it is stored with my name, via the loyalty card. That's how they use loyalty cards. It doesn't matter to me, because I don't care if they know what I buy.
The wifi thing is just for traffic pattern mapping. Some stores have RFID chips on the shopping carts to do that tracking. Others use cameras. The old method was to use human observers. But understanding the traffic patterns in retail stores has long been known as important information for store design. For example, the end caps on each aisle are stocked according to the traffic patterns. The more expensive stuff is at the ends of the busiest aisles.
Retailing is a science, and retailers are always looking for ways to understand their stores.
They can't track me with wifi, because I never have a phone or other device with me. If I did, I wouldn't care anyhow. They already know what I buy, anyhow.
I don't care. They're welcome to that information, frankly.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Someone out there really will know more about you than you do.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)I don't buy things based on advertising. I buy things based on my need for them, and I shop for quality and value at all times. They're welcome to sell that info to whomever they wish. It won't affect my behavior in any way.
Are you really not aware of all of this? It's been going on for a very long time. Unless you don't shop at all, and pay only with cash, your purchases are all logged and filed in databases.
It's a matter of no interest to me, because it's ubiquitous. The only interesting thing is that people aren't aware of this and are shocked and alarmed by it.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Both by the government and the private sector.
Well now we know where to invest. Storage will be big.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Something I recommend to anyone who values their privacy, and wants to fuck with those who wish to invade it.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)loyalty programs which offer 5¢ off per gallon of gas, but I never settle for anything less than 20¢ off per gallon. I get plenty of coupons from various petroleum companies for 10¢ off per gallon. There is one chain of convenience stores/gas stations that accepts all coupons and on Tuesdays, they double them.
Robb
(39,665 posts)You think department stores are laid out in some kind of haphazard way?
The worst thing I can say about this is it's eliminated a few on-site jobs in favor of a technology.
MineralMan
(151,269 posts)I can't imagine worrying about stuff like this. They've been watching us shop for decades.
dkf
(37,305 posts)No way the camera guy recognizes you and knows how many times you visited in a month.
Logical
(22,457 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)ALL THE FUCKING SCANNERS CAN YOU HEAR ME!!!!11!!!

MineralMan
(151,269 posts)might be tracked. I can't really see the reason for your concern, but if it exists, you can control when your phone is on and trackable. Seems basic to me. I don't carry a phone most of the time. When I do, it's off, unless I need to use it. If I get calls, they'll be on my voice mail when I turn it back on.
I just can't go through life worrying about what retail stores are doing when I shop in them. Who cares. I'm there to buy something. When I find it, I'll take it to the check stand and leave. Retail strategies don't interest me, although I hate it when they rearrange stores I visit often. It slows me down.
dkf
(37,305 posts)Maybe because I'm female I've always felt more sensitive about that sort of thing. It makes me feel vulnerable.
sendero
(28,552 posts).... have a pretty easy way to enable and disable the wifi. I can't think of a reason to leave your wifi on all the time unless you like charging your phone.
dkf
(37,305 posts)I wish we had an app that would turn it off based on location. Once I leave certain areas I have no need for wifi.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)I've already lost three of them. They are probably in the house somewhere, but the batteries are dead so I can't locate them by calling them. I didn't buy them. Someone gave them to me. They're inconvenient. I hate 'em.
Raine
(31,179 posts)what they want to know.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)call mine.