Former doctor who killed two over HOA disputes, and threw water on cop in jail, commits suicide.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

The friction caused by homeowners' associations is not altogether unknown. But there are times when it can get out of hand.

In one running dispute, a frustrated homeowner had been involved in longstanding property disputes with the board of a homeowners' association. One dispute was over a fence that he erected in his yard. It seems that they didn't like the size and location of the fence. Later, they didn't like his driveway extension.

After being sued several times in the name of the HOA, he went to his last meeting where he killed the HOA president. He also killed another member.

He told the police:

"I was hoping that I could reason with them." "But I said to myself, if they are not going to resolve peace(fully) with me, honestly, I had to kill them."

http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Man-charged-in-HOA-deaths-commits-suicide-4911643.php

And kill them he did.

Then, in an altercation with the police while in jail, he threw some water on one of them. Then they beat him up. And sent him to a hospital. They then charged him with assault and making a terroristic threat. The former doctor's name may have influenced them: Hindi.

Apparently, he saw no hope. He hung himself.

[loli phabay]

1. phew thought this was about john pertree or tom baker, got a fright

[CBGLuthier]

7. I would not worry too much about Mr. Pertwee

What with his being dead for 17 years and all.

[loli phabay]

9. he is a time lord, you just believe he died.

[KT2000]

2. HOA's need a higher authority

Most probably operate reasonably but I also know of a case where a couple were constantly sued by their HOA - with high interest. He parked a trailer on the street as others had done. They didn't like his landscaping etc. etc. They finally just walked away from the house and now it is abandoned and rundown.
The president had it in for the people and harassed them.
Not everyone can handle power.

[Loudly]

3. Took a gun to the HOA meeting. Guns and ammo in the hands of the public.

Guns settle personal grievances.

Suicide by hanging was preferable to prison life for the offender.

[seattle15]

4. Medical bills just keep getting larger because of things like this

Too many doctors are no longer practising because of crap like that. The reduced supply raises prices.

[DURHAM D]

6. Are you saying that HOA's are the reason why fewer doctors are not practicing?

Or are you saying that too many doctors are in jail.

[loli phabay]

21. its a wierd post to be sure, i cant fathom what he means by it

[Orrex]

13. His bedside manner could certainly have used some work, that's for sure

[CreekDog]

5. If anyone brought a gun to one of our HOA's meetings, I would call for adjournment

and leave and recommend everyone else do likewise.

[CBGLuthier]

8. OP seems rather sympathetic

considering the guy was a murderer.

The comment about his name being the reason for the terroristic threat charge is sophomoric.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

10. If you can justify charging someone who threw water w being a terrorist, what's your justification?

Normally, when doctors and former doctors are incarcerated (even in Louisville, Kentucky), they are not considered to be terrorists. This is true even if they get to the point in their life when they throw water on someone who is jailing them.

On the other hand, this guy's full name is Mahmoud Yousef Hindi.

Do you really think that the police did not engage in over-charging in this case? Do you really think that his ethnic background had no effect on that?

[Orrex]

15. He wasn't charged "w being a terrorist"

He was charged with "terroristic threatening" after threatening to kill a police officer.

As for the water-throwing, it's hard to say what the circumstances were. Did the cops know that it was water at the time? If someone douses you with an unknown liquid, do you assume that it's water and leave it at that?


Also, when a murderer threatens to kill you, that's a bit different from a similar threat from someone who simply pirated a copy of Twilight.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

17. If you are talking about KRS 508.080, that is the formal reference to the statute. The statute uses

the word "terroristic". The word "terrorist" is an approprate synonym for a person who has violated the statute just as much as the word "criminal" would be.

[Orrex]

18. When discussing legal terminology, are you qualified to determine what is synonymous?

You claim that being charged with making a terrorist threat is the same as behing charged for being a terrorist. Nothing that I can see in the statute supports this claim.

It would be like claiming that being charged with threating to kill someone is the same as being charged for being a murderer.

Charging someone with a crime is a very specific legal process. In casual discourse he might be "an accused terrorist," but he is not charged with "being a terrorist." In legal terms, your choice of synonym doesn't cut it.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

22. 1) Yes. 2) Under KY law, threatening to kill someone is not equivalent to being a murderer.

A person is not a murderer until they murder someone.

A person is a terrorist when they use an unlawful means to cause terror. Causing terror by threatening to kill someone does not mean that a person cannot be a terrorist until the threatened murder occurs.

You should know that.

[Orrex]

26. So was he charged with being a terrorist?

Or was he charged with making a terroristic threat? They are synonyms in casual discourse but not in legal terms.

Given your impressive legal credentials, I'm sure that you have a lot of experience adlibbing it when it comes to formal declaration of charges in court.

A person is a terrorist when they use an unlawful means to cause terror.

A person is suspected or accused of being a terrorist when they use unlawful means to cause terror. Are you asserting that such a person is actually charged "with being a terrorist" during formal legal proceedings? That was your claim in your initial post. You should know that.


I will be very interested to see your citaton of cases in which someone is formally charged "with being a terrorist."

[rustydog]

11. Did they: "Beat him up"? or did he resist the officers

when they attempted to physically control him. IF, and it is a big if, he continued to resist, the officers can increase their level of force to contain the PRISONER, the suspected murderer who assaulted one of the corrections officers.

There is a law on the books now about making "Terroristic threats" Generally it refers to threats of violence. What was the prisoner saying to the police as he resisted them AFTER he assaulted one?

race, religious background, belief has nothing to do with facts in this case: He planned to murder those people, he did assault the corrections officer...his race, ethnicity, beliefs has nothing to do with the facts or the filing of terroristic threats, his actions drove this.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

12. Since you seem to be more familiar with the facts, did he "lunge" at them?

[FSogol]

14. Unrec. Strange support for a double murderer.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

16. Strange conclusion that reporting a story is "support for a double murderer."

The frustrations and despair that some people experience when dealing with authoritarian-type people in HOAs and in jails is interesting in and of itself. The story is an example of that.

If you don't want to know certain things, close your eyes.

[FSogol]

20. So, murder is justified if you are frustated or in despair? It is justified if you hate HOAs or

the police?

There are plenty of jerks in the world, both authoritarian-type and others. The secret is figuring out how to get along with them or avoid them. Your post treats the murdered members of the HOA as the problem and the murderer as the victim. It whines about the police arresting a double murderer. How bizarre!

[AnotherMcIntosh]

23. No, those are your false words.

[Blue_Tires]

24. Not supporting him

since I don't know the details of the dispute, but in my time I have seen a lot of batshit insanity from HOAs (including flat-out illegal decisions which wouldn't last 30 seconds in court), and neighbors coming close to fistfights in meetings...

HOA councils almost become little Hitlers, and it seems like the smaller and more petty the dispute, the more draconian and hardline their stance...

[FSogol]

25. I agree on HOAs, but you still can't kill them and assualt the police when they come to

get you. Also, when buying or renting, everyone has to sign a paper saying they agree to be bound by those rules, then the minute they disagree with those rules they get mad. Hate HOAs? Don't live in neighborhoods that have them.

[SamYeager]

19. This is why the board of our HOA works through a management company

No need to handle the disputes with HOA members by the board, let the management company handle them.

We are also a lot more reasonable and try to offload any property standards to the village as it allows us to force the village to enforce the standards and keeps the HOA out of it. The one thing we do not allow that the village does is chain link fencing. Everything else is village standards.

[ecstatic]

27. More gun violence. We either have to find

the courage to change these laws or get used to stories like this.

On a side note, I can relate to the feeling of being harassed by the HOA. You feel a little helpless and cornered, especially when it's somewhere you don't want to be in the first place... but this guy needed some serious psychiatric help. RIP to everyone involved.

[nobodyspecial]

28. Sounds like a mental breakdown

Of course he belonged in jail for the murders, but I wish he would have gotten some mental help as well.