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[former9thward]

1. I assume you are done with all booksellers everywhere.

You can find books you don't like in every venue. Booksellers do not read and critique books they sell. Especially something like amazon which has millions. An impossible task.

[hobbit709]

3. +1

If you don't like a book, then don't buy it.

I can think of 100's of book that I don't like the subject matter. I don't buy them.

[Miranda4peace]

9. Rarely will you find books that have been linked to tortured and murdered children

in every venue. Barnes and Noble doesn't have this disgusting book for sale, so you're wrong.
It certainly isn't an impossible task. Obviously the book had to be added along with the extremely misleading synopsis.

[hobbit709]

27. Amazon also sells Mein Kampf-how many died as a result of that book?

When you start banning books, where do you draw the line?

[Miranda4peace]

41. Mein Kampf???? Have you read it?

Hitler became worse long after he wrote that book. It's an egotistical bio, not a call to arms.

[hobbit709]

53. I've read it, and thousands of other books.

The signs of what Hitler became were evident in the book.

Reading a book doesn't turn you into a child killer any more than reading the Bible turns you into a Christian.

For me it's a First Amendment issue. NO ONE has the right to tell me what I can or cannot read.

But there's always someone out there who knows what's good for you instead of worrying about what's good for theirselves.

[Miranda4peace]

69. Actually they do.

See Mein kampf gave you a glimpse into his mental illness, it however did not advocate murder.

This book advocates child abuse, which is ILLEGAL SPEECH. So yeah, you shouldn't have the right to read it because it wasn't constitutionally protected speech, therefore should never have been published.

[hobbit709]

76. so what makes your ideological fanaticism better than anyone else's?

[Miranda4peace]

79. You lost me. So now advocating against child abuse and murder

in your words is "ideological fanatacism". Hmmmmmmm

Trailllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllling into oblivion.

[hobbit709]

81. "What does it all mean, Mr. Natural?"

[matt819]

85. Very true

I would like nothing more than to rid book stores and libraries of books I find vile. But others here are right. Where do you draw the line? On man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. And to continue the bad cliches, it's a slippery slope. At least you have the opportunity on Amazon to post reviews that cite the articles you mention.

[msongs]

2. and Amazon also sells bibles as well nt

[TeamPooka]

4. so you boycott the bookstore because you don't like a book? Sorry but I'll pass on that.

That's how the right goes after bookstores and libraries by targeting one book like TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD, TOM SAWYER or CATCHER IN THE RYE.
Amazon sells a lot of shit I don't like or agree with like oh any book from Rush Limbaugh or Bill OReilly.
That's what they do so to essentially blame them for the book in your subject line is silly.
If you focus your protest on the book and it's publisher not the retailer as your OP subject infers then you might get somewhere.

[Miranda4peace]

18. Those books were boycotted because of subjective religious morality

I'm boycotting this book because it specifically condones child abuse and resulted in the deaths of children, KNOWN FACT.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two.

[TeamPooka]

149. Your subject line says you are bocotting Amazon.com not the book. Your words not mine.

you could change them to be more specific.

[MADem]

5. NO.

I am not going to be "done with Amazon" because they sell a stupid and dumbass book. They sell LOTS of stupid and dumbass books, you know.

They sell many good books, too.

They sell stuff I need that I can't get locally.

Why not write a nasty review of the book instead? Call it out and explain to other Amazon users why it sucks?

Much more effective than taking your ball and going home.

If you think you're going to incite a boycott over a book I won't read and won't buy, that ain't happening here with me. I have a dog with liver disease, who needs that vegan food to stay healthy that I can't find nearby or at as good a price, that Amazon dumps at my door every couple of weeks.

I would suggest that you cut and paste your post, and turn it into a review and warn people off. Be advised that AMAZON takes out links so find another way to describe the link to people (e.g. if you google dubya-dubya-dubya dot blahblahblah dot com, etc. you will find it).

[Miranda4peace]

12. It's more expensive to have it shipped. I have already price checked the localy organic animal depo

against Amazon. There was a 30% market at Amazon, not even including the tax and shipping.

[MADem]

29. What's "it?" There's no shipping associated with the price I pay.

I have Amazon Prime and I use it for streaming video, the free digital books, and the free shipping that comes with it.

The food I buy for my dog and parrot costs the same--if not more--at Petco/Petsmart. Further, I would have to get in my car, drive, shop, hope they had it in stock (they often do not), load it myself into my car, hump it into my house, etc.

Further, my dog is an orphan-rescue, old, and she likes what she likes--I'm not going to start trying out artsy fartsy foods with her when she's doing very well in her existing routine.

With Amazon, I hear a thump on the porch and voila--I got dog food. And anything else I need.
No driving, no humping cans, no time out of my day that could be better spent helping some old lady get to the doctor.


So again--NO SALE. I like Amazon and I use it. I get stuff from them that businesses near me just don't want to carry because there's an insufficient market for them.

[Miranda4peace]

36. Amazon prime? LMAO

Once you sign up for that prices get jacked up. Prime will only offer you "free shipping" on premium priced items. You end up paying the prime fee every year, plus premium prices for everything you buy.

I'm sorry, since it sounds like you deserve to be saving some money. But you aren't

Prime is one of the biggest scams Amazon came up with.

[closeupready]

73. You have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about.

[Miranda4peace]

77. Yea. Amazon prime is all marked up junk. You can get the same thing much cheaper

if you don't buy the prime items.

but uh that's just logical. No company every offers your a way to save money, that would just be................suicidal.

[closeupready]

86. Duh, there is no separate Amazon Prime inventory or pricing, except

except for the DISCOUNT you get if you are a Prime member, lol.

[zappaman]

90. No kidding.

Is this thread for real?

[closeupready]

100. LOL, I know - did Bellevue close for the day,

or wat? ...

[MADem]

126. The poster is very precocious, I must say.

Been here for ten days, and wasting no time at all stirring the pot!!

[xmas74]

82. Most of the people who sign up for Prime don't do it for the shipping.

The shipping is secondary.

The big market for Prime happens to be cord-cutters. (Cord cutters are people who have "cut the cord" on cable and satellite.) With a yearly membership to Prime you receive free shipping on a number of products plus a large catalog of streaming shows/movies.

I've had Prime for a couple of years now. I pay once a year and that's it. I also have Netflix and the two do have different shows-I've checked.

Either way, a yearly subscription to Prime and a monthly to Netflix is much cheaper than a monthly cable bill.

[Miranda4peace]

91. It really isn't if you use it to purchase products.

For instance prime marked up my fish oil 8 bucks! so free shipping didn't matter.

For the time being, for what you use it for, you are correct. Unfortunately if you add in extra shows that take a season or two to make it to netflix, the cost of per episode or per season means you could end up paying way more than cable.

Only difference is no commercials, which is a giant plus.

[xmas74]

114. But many in the cord-cutter group don't mind waiting for the shows to finally make it

without an extra cost.

Because of netflix and prime I've watched entire series that I never would watch otherwise.

The cheapest cable package in my area? Over $50 a month and that's before taxes and fees. (And they're crappy channels-there are over the air channels that I cannot get on my cable package without going into a larger package. Over the air from the local PBS station!) Netflix? About $8 a month. Prime? $79 a year, which is about $7 a month. A decent outdoor antenna is around $100 and that's a one time fee.

With an antenna and my Roku (with Prime, Netflix and Hulu Plus) I'm way better off than with cable. For those three channels I'm running about $24-and I watch them more than I watch my Dish. When my Dish contract is up next year, I'm dropping it and going completely with the antenna and Roku channels.

[Miranda4peace]

123. Prime doens't offer much over that of Netflix and Hulu plus

So if you're paying extra for prime you're really throwing away 79$

But who am I to comment. I only watch docu's and my school lectures, no time for entertainment

[pipi_k]

87. Actually

that's not true.

We've had Amazon Prime here for a few years, and the prices on most things are equal to, or less than, prices I find on other places.

Believe me, I always check. Always.

If I look at certain things on Amazon without logging in with my account, then look at them again with my account, the prices are the same. Except with Amazon Prime, I can get them shipped 2nd Day for free. Sometimes they even come the next day.

So please...no more false information, OK?

[MADem]

125. I forgot about the two day shipping--something else I appreciate.

And I agree that the false information being shopped on this thread is just flat-out unnecessary, along with the personal insults and mockery.

[oldhippie]

88. Oh, really?

Happy Amazon prime user here also. I watch these things pretty closely. Go ahead and boycott Amazon if it makes you happy. I don't care.

[zappaman]

92. Love Amazon Prime.

Free 2 day shipping is awesome.
Is this thread for real?

[BumRushDaShow]

112. Bwah!

Prime user here too who likes the shipping. I ordered something just this past Saturday at like 4pm and it was delivered yesterday at noon.



I also like that I can order from the participating Mom and Pop businesses who may get very little traffic in their stores in their own localities but they offer something that I am looking for that I could purchase through them.

[MADem]

120. You can LOL all you want; it works for me. The stuff I buy is the same stuff I bought without

PRIME, from the same vendors.

I think you deserve to spend your time more fruitfully as well--you've seen the shitty reception your "Boycott Amazon Right Effin' Now" thread has gotten, perhaps you might want to just give it up and realize that people just aren't going to see things your way, rather than trying to mock and "LOL" them for buying choices that work--BRILLIANTLY, I must say--for them.

I'm trying to find the people rallying round your flag on this thread...and there simply aren't any. See, progressives believe in pesky things like free speech, even if the speech is offensive. You counter it with MORE speech, not boycotts against businesses that didn't even write the objectionable material, but are only a seller of a wide variety of tomes.

So, you have a nice day, now, and mark me down as someone who is NOT going to join your ineffectual, hit-the-wrong-target, boycott.

[MADem]

143. You'll find posters who troll here on DU too--that sign up just to stir shit.

They'll get their post count up into triple digits and start flinging bullshit.

They're very easy to spot, though.

[HappyMe]

6. Sorry, no.

There are plenty of books out there I don't like - all of the Ann Coulter drivel for example. That doesn't mean I refuse to buy other books from a book store.

[Miranda4peace]

13. This book resulted in dead children. Obviously whether you boycott is your choice.

I certainly am.

[HappyMe]

21. I have no reason to buy that book.

I won't be boycotting. I think it would be best if you let Amazon and the publisher of that book know your concerns.. I never bought any child rearing books.

[Miranda4peace]

34. Amazon was told, there was a petition years ago

obviously nothing came of it.

[tabbycat31]

95. Very few things come out of online petitions

They're only effective when it comes to data mining. Sign an online petition and you will end up on the call/email list of the organization that is circulating the petition (I work for one, and I know how it works).

[Miranda4peace]

131. Ok lol

[cleanhippie]

71. You should boycott religion instead. THAT'S the culprit here.

[Miranda4peace]

83. Remember the purges? atheists killed millions.

[cleanhippie]

106. Sorry, wrong answer.

Stalinists killed millions. Atheism, the lack of belief in a god, killed no one.

[Miranda4peace]

110. With your logic religion can't be blamed either,

You aren't being consistent at all. I try to debate within the context you present then you just up and demolish your own logic.

So which is it? I have no time for circular bs.

[cleanhippie]

157. "How to train up a child" is a religious belief-based ideology.

You brought up Stalin, so you knock down that straw man.

Regardless whether you think atheists killed millions during Stalin's reign is irrelevant to the fact that it IS religion being taught in that book.

And I don't think you are using the word "logic" correctly. Boycotting one of the largest retailers on the planet because they sell a book you don't approve of is hardly logical at all, it's asinine.

[justiceischeap]

7. There are better reasons to boycott Amazon.com

than this. If you really want to make a difference, work to get the booked pulled from Amazon and other retailers if it offends you so badly.

[Cal Carpenter]

8. Soo... not their shitty labor practices, or their undercutting of small local business everywhere

or their shirking of sales tax obligations in most states...

But because they aren't censoring to your liking? You think the job of a bookseller, or of a librarian, is to choose what is acceptable? You don't think there is any merit to reading things critically? You'd rather...what...see the book banned? Or burned?

Things that make ya go hmmm...

I've no doubt that the book you refer to is a piece of shit, I believe your analysis. But I disagree *vehemently* with your conclusion that it is a bookseller's job to censor and ban books!

But fuck Amazon anyway, for other reasons I've mentioned and then some...

[LanternWaste]

22. The realization that often hits the mind in childhood

"Things that make ya go hmmm..."

1. The realization that often hits the mind in childhood (yet, obviously, often bides its time into older ages) that not everyone is aware of the precise same things as we ourselves are.


Hmmm....

[Miranda4peace]

32. All great reason to boycott Amazon

Censorship? Maybe

Some things need to be censored, obviously. Free speech doesn't mean you can say anything, for instance you can't say "kill so and so, or beat so and so" which is exactly what this book does.

[pipi_k]

96. You read the book? n/t

[Miranda4peace]

98. That would mean I need to buy it, that isn't happening

On p.65 co-author Debi Pearl whips the bare leg of a 15 month old she is babysitting, 10 separate times, for not playing with something she tells him to play with.

After about ten acts of stubborn defiance, followed by ten switchings, he surrendered his will to one higher than himself. In rolling the wheel, he did what every accountable human being must do-he humbled himself before the "highest" and admitted that his interests are not paramount. After one begrudged roll, my wife turned to other chores

On p.59 they recommend spanking a 3 year old until he is "totally broken."

She then administers about ten slow, patient licks on his bare legs. He cries in pain. If he continues to show defiance by jerking around and defending himself, or by expressing anger, then she will wait a moment and again lecture him and again spank him. When it is obvious he is totally broken, she will hand him the rag and very calmly say, "Johnny, clean up your mess." He should very contritely wipe up the water.

On p.79 they recommend switching a 7 month old for screaming.

A seven-month-old boy had, upon failing to get his way, stiffened clenched his fists, bared his toothless gums and called down damnation on the whole place. At a time like that, the angry expression on a baby's face can resemble that of one instigating a riot. The young mother, wanting to do the right thing, stood there in helpless consternation, apologetically shrugged her shoulders and said, "What can I do?" My incredulous nine-year-old whipped back, "Switch him." The mother responded, "I can't, he's too little." With the wisdom of a veteran who had been on the little end of the switch, my daughter answered, "If he is old enough to pitch a fit, he is old enough to be spanked."
http://www.amazon.com/To-Train-Child-Michael-Pearl/product-reviews/1892112000/ref=cm_cr_dp_qt_hist_one/181-9732346-7111561?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0

[HappyMe]

109. If you haven't read it, how can you make any claims?

If that is from the reviews you said that they aren't reliable, 'click farms', people being paid...

I'm not saying it's a good book, I'm saying you shouldn't be berating people to boycott if you personally haven't read it.

[Miranda4peace]

111. Those excerpts are from the book.

the excerpts were verified, the opinions however were not.

So either they bother you or they don'.

They certainly bother me.

[HappyMe]

122. It is horrible stuff.

I think that people that want to beat their kids will do so without a book.

[Miranda4peace]

124. Maybe, Maybe not

Nontheless Amazon is profiting from a book that condones child abuse.

[HappyMe]

130. Amazon profits from a lot of books I don't like.

I order out of print embroidery books from them, I'm not boycotting because of one book.

If people don't buy the book, then the author and publisher suffers. Those are the people that need to be taken to task, not book sellers.

[Miranda4peace]

133. It's not about not liking the book!

America obviously has done a horrible job making sure the constitution is followed.

Precedent shows that certain speech, like that of this book(condoning child abuse) is not protected.

If it was simply that I didn't like the book, well, I just wouldn't buy it.

This is about people using their dollars to defund a profiteer of unconstitutional speech.

[HappyMe]

138. What precedent would that be?

What speech exactly is constitutional? Isn't the Bible chock full of violence?

[Miranda4peace]

144. You will never hear me defending the bible

It's unconstitutional speech to yell fire in a theatre if there isn't a fire BECAUSE PEOPLE MAY BE HARMED.

This book directs people to harm children. not "may be or might harm" it flat out tells them to beat their children.

[HappyMe]

146. Then sue the author.

Again, that is the person you should be focusing on.

[Miranda4peace]

152. I just want the book removed from Amazon.

Sue? Oh yea let me see if I can s#$t out a golden egg first.

[HappyMe]

166. Why only Amazon?

Good luck with that.

[leftstreet]

38. I predict a huge thread, inadvertently supporting Amazon

hmm

And yeah, Fuck Amazon for their shitty labor practices

[Miranda4peace]

43. Exactly what happened.

Hey, no biggie. This will be going EVERYWHERE. Pamphlets, family, etc. EVERYWHERE.

[closeupready]

60. On shitty labor practices, that's a better reason to

not shop at Amazon, if you feel strongly about it.

But on the issue of the fact that Amazon sells an offensive book, I don't feel that's a legitimate reason.

[MisterP]

103. and what do the librarians say?

http://awfullibrarybooks.net/

[Egnever]

10. Sorry I don't do book burnings

No matter how offensive I find them.

[LanternWaste]

25. I was told the very same thing by an acquaintance who was deleting pdf books from his digital librar

I was told the very same thing by an acquaintance who was deleting pdf books from his digital library. I doubt he realized the irony... or if he did, had a wonderful rationalization to justify his actions.

[Egnever]

33. I don't get it

?

[Miranda4peace]

46. Apparently the poster thinks people shouldn't control what they have on their dig library

Scary.

[bravenak]

11. Nope.

They sell a lot of books that I don't like. Decision points is one I can think of.
Just don't buy the book, most people won't.
Complain to amazon if you want.

[Archae]

14. This is why boycotts are now meaningless.

It seems every time I turn around I'm being told to boycott everything.

Now, I've been told to boycott chocolate and toilet paper!
(For various reasons.)

[HappyMe]

24. Chocolate and toilet paper?

*sigh*

[Archae]

35. Suuposedly because chocolate is made with slave labor, and TP is from the Kochs.

[HappyMe]

42. Okay then!

The boycott thing has gotten out of hand a bit.

[Miranda4peace]

48. So we should never boycott anything?

Or just you're competition?

[HappyMe]

56. Competition?

Sometimes boycotting is effective. Like the Chik-fil-A boycott. Other times, it has no effect.

[Jamaal510]

15. Amazon is like my best friend

when it comes to shopping; there's way too much stuff that I can get on there much easier than I can elsewhere for me to part ways with it.

[Miranda4peace]

28. Well if my best friend got three children killed

I'd haul his ass right into the police station myself.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

68. Wait, Mr Amazon wrote this book? nt

[Miranda4peace]

94. Mr Amazon sells this book which advocates child abuse.

Other booksellers, less ebay, do not sell it.

[TeamPooka]

159. So the retailer is totally responsible for the book? Wow you are bad at making a case

and you are now blocked.
I don't need to listen to your fake logic and misdirected anger.

[nobodyspecial]

89. A book DID NOT make anybody do anything

any more than violent lyrics saying kill pigs or video games depicting people running over grandma. Individuals are responsible for their actions.

The authors, the publisher, the book seller is not responsible for killing those children. The people who beat them are solely responsible for their actions and I hope they are in jail being appropriately punished.

[Miranda4peace]

97. I'm not getting into the underlying psychology, of which is debateable.

The book told people its ok to abuse your children, yes the writers are responsible as are the parents who read it and couldn't differentiate abuse from discipline.

[TeamPooka]

154. Straw Man alert!

[Crabby Appleton]

16. No thanks

I'll pass

[Jackpine Radical]

17. The nice thing about Amazon is that they publish all those reviews.

In this case, the clear majority of the reviews give the book one star & clearly explain what is so fucked-up about the book.

Any fundie wandering into a "christian" bookstore would not have access to all this cautionary information. Whatever else I may have against Amazon, it is in many ways a powerful educational resource.

[FarCenter]

19. Out of 2,173 reviews, 1,158 gave it one star, while 905 gave it 5 stars.

Amazon reviews are very useful.

[Miranda4peace]

26. They are also loaded. There are sweatshops in Korea with children uprating on Amazon

[HappyMe]

30. Oh come on.

[Miranda4peace]

50. Did you miss the news???

The ‘click farm’ sweatshops-google and read.

[HappyMe]

70. I guess I did.

What with the insignificant government shut down and the ACA and all....


Reading a book doesn't make a person into a murdering asshole.

[Miranda4peace]

75. Wayyyyyyy before all that, click farms have been known about for years

Unless you one of those people who sits and watches repetitive stories and political fights over and over and over. In which case your not my target audience. I don't really like "doom addicts" nor care for their mindset.

[HappyMe]

80. Wtf are you talking about?

Doom addicts? Watches repetitive stories and political fights over and over? Seriously, what does that even mean?

I have never heard of click farms.


Seems to me book burners are your target audience. Reading a book doesn't make a person a murderer. Who exactly is your target audience?

[pintobean]

66. Duzy

[tblue37]

55. AND all the positive reviews ended up with

comments telling them how full of s**t they were and how abusive the book's methods are. Comments also highlighted the cases where the book led to torture and killing of children.

Go to the positive reviews on Amazon, OP, and tell those idiots who follow those abusive methods and praise this book exactly why the book is evil and why their positive review is so wrong.

That's one genuinely good thing about Amazon, which is in so many *other* ways guilty and offensive.

(You could also contact Amazon directly and tell them how evil this book's influence has been.)

[shedevil69taz]

63. Anyone that rated it a 5 star

Should be closely looked at...

[mysuzuki2]

20. I agree that this book is monstrous.

It is nothing more than a how-to manual for sadists. The Amazon ratings system is useful in this regard however. There are actually many more 1 star ratings than 5 star ones. There are almost no reviews in the middle. This tells me that the Pearls are more or less preaching to the choir - no one buys or reads this book who does not already believe in their principles(?). Those who disagree will never follow them. So, those who buy it are already convinced. I won't boycott Amazon over this just as I will not boycott them over selling that homophobe Orson Scott Card's books.

[Miranda4peace]

23. Wait what. The raiting system has been proven to be fixed by sellers and corps alike.

So when exactly is it alright to boycott them.

When 10 more children die?

30?

Or is it never alright simply because it is amazon, and since amazon has destroyed all competition you have nowhere else to turn?

[pipi_k]

51. It's alright

for YOU to boycott them when YOU think it's appropriate.

But it's not OK to tell others what they "should be" doing.

Like someone a bit upthread pointed out...this whole boycotting shit is getting real silly.

In the last few years we've been commanded to boycott at least 20 things. Including whole states.

You know, there's just not enough time in the day for keeping lists of places we're not supposed to buy from or products we're not supposed to buy.

So I hereby declare a boycott on boycotts.

I'm too old to remember without writing it down, and too crabby to give a flying rat's ass.

[Miranda4peace]

64. So you've given up on changing anything, gotchya.

Why exactly are you on DU?

I have the freedom to tell people they should boycott amazon, they have the right to tell me to fuck off.

Unlike this book, which promotes child abuse, there is no right under the sun protecting that speech.

[pipi_k]

128. If there

were "no right under the sun protecting that speech", then it wouldn't be necessary, in your view, to boycott Amazon, now would it?

Because that speech would be illegal, now wouldn't it?

So if you think the author of that book is violating some law, then you'd be better off taking this to some court of law.

I still think that someone's attempt at censorship is way more objectionable and offensive, in the long run, than the thing s/he is trying to censor.

As to effecting change, there are certain things I have a HUGE issue with. One of them is alcohol. I've seen way too many people die from it. Including little kids, killed in drunk driving accidents. Probably tens of thousands more than will ever be harmed by the words in that book.

I'm not naive enough to suggest we all boycott alcohol because of it just because I find alcohol and drunks to be vile beyond words.

So really...have your little boycott over a book, but remember there are kids out there being treated exactly the same way by parents who are drunken assholes and don't even NEED a book to do the shit they're doing.

[MADem]

142. You have a LOT of nerve saying shit like "Why exactly are you on DU?" to a long term DUer that all

of us know and respect.

Why exactly are YOU on DU, and since you seem to know so much about it, and YOU brought up the subject of "why people are on DU" I think it's only fair to ask YOU the same damn question, particularly since you seem awfully familiar with the place for someone who has been here for ten short days.

Gotta love DU3 transparency.....you enjoy your time here, now.

[Miranda4peace]

150. Fair question to ask someone who has admitted

they aren't for boycotts? I have seen plenty call for a boycott on Koch brother, of course THATS A JUST BOYCOTT lmao

Not quite as transparent as you think

[MADem]

161. "LMAO"--you are entirely transparent, and the community sees you for what you are.

Too clever by half, you are.

And rude as all get out.

Further, you seem to be confusing me with other DUers on this thread who aren't putting up with your guff, either.

You enjoy your stay.

[Atman]

39. Do you honestly think sadists need a "how to" manual?

"Hmmm...sitting at home watching Price Is Right is getting boring. Maybe I'll become a sadist. Fit only there was a good book which could offer proper instruction."

Come on...once you're that f00ked up, buying a book from Amazon is just whipped cream on your creepy pudding. Focus your anger (ironically, that is what these books apparently espouse).

[mysuzuki2]

84. I doubt that they do.

But this book gives them a way to justify and rationalize their sadism.

[Atman]

31. Some horrible stuff, but it's not Amazon's "fault."

They sell books and washers and dildos and lawn mowers and tires and pubic razors...and "50 Shades of Grey." Write them a letter. Write the publisher of the book a letter. But to blame a bookseller for selling a book is, uhm...never mind.

[snooper2]

37. I bet this book has killed more children

[Atman]

52. I bet this book has killed even more...

[snooper2]

61. sadly, you win-

[pipi_k]

104. There is

absolutely no doubt about that!

I say we boycott every single place that sells the Bible...

AND

we should also boycott the homes of people who have one lying around someplace.

Boycott motels that still put a copy of the Bible in a bedside stand.

What the hell...if we're gonna boycott, better do it big time and really make it count!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

72. It's certainly killed some wallets nt

[pipi_k]

40. Nope.

The title of your OP says why you are done with Amazon and why we should be as well.

So because you find that book offensive and dangerous...which is no doubt is...you think we all should follow suit and boycott Amazon.

Not gonna happen. Sorry.

There are other places where it's also sold. One of them is eBay.

Should we all boycott eBay now, too?

Abe Books sells it. Boycott?

[Atman]

49. I dislike Amazon for lots of other reasons. I'm not boycotting them for selling a book.

Your post is spot-on, pipi. I accept that the OP is upset that Amazon sells that particular book. I'm 100% certain that a search through their catalog could find many, many more books equally as offensive. But this book caught the OP's eye, and therefore everyone else should boycott Amazon. Plenty of other good reasons to hate Amazon.

[xmas74]

99. And my local thrift store.

There was a copy there, too.

[pipi_k]

107. Aughhhhh!!!!

Those bastards!!!

I hope you never go in there again!!!

[xmas74]

118. I guess I just need to say "Screw you, Sheltered Workshops!"

I can't support a place with that book, even though they have great deals on other things, have a recycling center on campus, have a really good deli with a lovely seating area and highly attentive wait staff and make the best cinnamon rolls ever!

[BlueToTheBone]

44. Can those people be charged with torture and murder?

Conspiring to commit? They are monsters.

And you hate Amazon because they're selling it? Have you gone through their complaint department? Do they even know they're selling it?

[Miranda4peace]

57. Do they know they are selling it?

lol

[BluegrassStateBlues]

45. It is not up to a major retailer to screen the products they sell.

They merely provide the platform.

[closeupready]

47. I disagree, if that's your only objection.

Amazon does not, and should not, act as a Censorship Board.

[BumRushDaShow]

54. Might as well add Facebook to the boycott list

Last edited Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:12 PM - Edit history (1)

http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/22/news/companies/facebook-violent-videos/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

[Miranda4peace]

58. I don't use facebook. You might as well just write a bio, full of personal info

likes and dislikes, and hand it right over to the corporate advertisers.

[BumRushDaShow]

93. I don't use it either

nor do I use any of the other popular, so-called "social media". But this is an example of something that just got announced today and is in line with any "media" (whether written, audio, visual) that may have controversial content. I.e., you would need to essentially be done with any media outlet, including DU.

[gollygee]

59. Amazon isn't the only place that sells this

I searched B&N and only found it in Spanish when I quickly searched. I found other books by Michael Pearl which are probably just as bad.

It's always best to shop at small local stores, and it's possible a small local bookstore would refuse to carry it.

[bunnies]

62. People who beat their kids are going to do it, book or not.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

[pipi_k]

78. Yep, they've

been doing it for ages, and will continue to do it long after that book is a pile of dust.

Some of them even use the Bible to justify the beatings.

[bunnies]

102. Exactly. Spare the rod, spoil the child and all that.

The Fundie nutjobs who wrote that other book just took it to another level. Shocker.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. You might as well boycott your local library

I will be all but shocked if this book is on the shelves.

[IdaBriggs]

67. I do not understand the tie between your subject line and the post.

Please clarify. Thank you.

[xmas74]

74. The book is also available at my local chain bookstore

and at some of the locally owned bookstores. The demand is there for the book.

Amazon sells all kinds of crap. A friend sells her products on Amazon and makes good money. If I boycotted Amazon I wouldn't be supporting my friend and her business.

[Jim__]

105. Powells Books and The Tattered Cover have it too.

http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781892112002-2

http://www.tatteredcover.com/book/9781892112002

I really don't downgrade my rating of book stores because they sell books I dislike or disagree with.

[kcr]

108. Well, apparently you have to shop at Amazon

and not at the bookstores that don't carry this awful book, according to some in this thread. Because it's a rule or something? I'm not getting that. You keep on doing what you're doing. You have every right. THat book is indeed awful. There's no law that says every bookstore everywhere has to carry every book everywhere, and that you have to support every bookstore that carries it. Ridiculous.

[quinnox]

113. Not gonna happen

I love amazon, and buy tons of stuff from them, not just books. And I'm not the censoring type in the first place. I'm actually all about the opposite, everyone has the freedom to decide what they want to read and buy.

[Turbineguy]

115. From the reviews, it's pretty obvious that child abusers like the book.

No, I did not read all the nearly 2200 reviews. Bad reviews outnumber good ones.



http://www.amazon.com/To-Train-Child-Michael-Pearl/dp/1892112000/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382468644&sr=8-1&keywords=how+to+train+up+a+child

Here's a real classic. Godly home schooler who keeps children at home so as to beat them more:

http://www.amazon.com/review/R311XE854PI1VQ/ref=cm_cr_quotes_dprb_2?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1892112000&nodeID=283155&store=books

People who write this shit serve a purpose. They remind you that there are people in the world to stay the fuck away from.

[stklurker]

116. non-sequitur?

Let me get this straight... you aren't after the author, you aren't after the publisher, you are not even about if its legal to actually sell this book. You want us to jump straight to Amazon and have them responsible for censoring what I can buy or not, because it is deemed offensive to you (and probably a lot of people, but what we 'feel' is offensive is not the point here).. if its not illegal, I sure as hell do NOT want the re-seller to be censoring content... failing because no one buys it is fine... censorship without any legal merit is not.

[kcr]

121. How is Amazon censoring the book by not selling it?

Will all other bookstores stop selling it if Amazon does? Are other bookstores that don't sell it censoring it? Are bookstores with bargain bins getting rid of the books they no longer sell censoring? I wasn't aware that all bookstores were selling all books that are currently available in print.

[stklurker]

135. ?

was this meant as a reply to my post?

[kcr]

139. Yes

How does my reply to you not make sense? You used the word censor.

[pnwmom]

117. No, that's why you should write a review about the deaths this book has caused.

Amazon, unlike some other places you could buy a book, has a way individual customers can post about a book, that other people do read. You should do so -- and should encourage everyone you know. It isn't even necessary to buy the book to post about it.

[PeteSelman]

119. You can ask them to pull the book.

A campaign for such could be effective. And really, anyone who needs a book to raise a child probably shouldn't be raising a child. Particularly some whacked out fundie idiot book.

I'm a Prime member. I won't be leaving any time soon.

[Miranda4peace]

140. The same thing is being repeated over and over.

Prime items, with free shipping, generally cost anywhere between 10 and 20% more than if you just paid for shipping. Prime only offers items that are priced premium.

Besides, I hear plenty of people on here calling for a koch boycott, and Koch never published a book condoning child abuse.

So everyone repeating the meme that "I'm hooked on Amazon and my convenience matters more than so and so" keep it up.

It's sad. Millions are unemployed because of the Walmart of the internet.

[PeteSelman]

160. There isn't much to be done about it.

And, no, the items are not marked up from other sites. I'm not an idiot.

[ecstatic]

132. So you think they should censor/ban certain books, but whose standard

should be used in deciding which books to censor? Sounds like a slippery slope.

Personally, Amazon saves me so much time. I hate shopping!

[Miranda4peace]

136. Well the constitution says speech condoning abuse, murder or physical harm is

illegal. So lets start there.

Amazon saves you time, so basically you wouldn't boycott anyone simply because of your convenience, even if they profit from child abuse? That is sad! New clinical diagnosis: Amazon addiction.

[ecstatic]

148. You're focused on the wrong thing

Your ire should be directed towards the author of the book and any organizations that promote that kind of child rearing.

I don't want retailers like Amazon picking and choosing which *legal* items I should have access to.

Furthermore, the book can be found at any other retailer and/or the public library so it doesn't make sense to single out Amazon.

[MADem]

153. No it doesn't. Stop making shit up.

You could say "I condone abuse, murder and physical harm" all the live-long day and no one would come arrest you.

You're really making some egregious statements in this thread.

[get the red out]

134. There's an upside to it's Amazon listing

People can see this and realize that these insane "Christian" extremist groups are simply monstrous and not to be ignored as if they were harmless. I like having this crap out where anyone and everyone can see that it's real and not just nasty lies told about "poor widdle fringe groups" to make them look bad.

[Miranda4peace]

137. I'd rather the constitution be followed

and this book, which condones child abuse, be removed from listing and Amazon not profit from its sale any longer.

Until then, I'm gonna boycott amazon.

[get the red out]

141. I agree, this book is evil

What they promote boils my blood! But the Constitution permits it to be published and sold apparently. If not, maybe some kind of legal action should take place, I am not a lawyer so that aspect is over my head.

I am uncomfortable with the default American perspective that someone's religion is their business only. I think that when innocent children are harmed by teachings in a particular cult, it becomes society's business as much as any pedophile ring does. We need a big perception change in this country and not automatically give anything listed under religion a pass.

[LittleBlue]

145. I disagree. It's not Amazon's job to ban books

If you don't wish to buy it, then don't.

I will continue to shop at Amazon for their huge variety of products and prices.

[Miranda4peace]

158. Yes the Walmart of the internet

Shopping for convenience and killing jobs the American Way.

[LittleBlue]

163. Amazon is based in my city

It certainly creates jobs around here!

[Lex]

147. #winning

[jberryhill]

151. I hereby pronounce this thread a fail

And I do so having actually beaten the putz who wrote that book in a legal dispute some years ago.

[Miranda4peace]

155. Post makes little sense.

You should be behind the boycott then, or could you link this "legal dispute" please????

[jberryhill]

162. Sure, here's what we did to him

My client owns the domain name nogreaterjoy.com.

This asshole owns nogreaterjoy.org.

He tried to take the domain name from my client:

http://www.adrforum.com/domains/decisions/326235.htm

Complainant is No Greater Joy Ministries (“Complainant”), 1000 Pearl Road, Pleasantville, TN 37033. Respondent is Name Administration Inc. (BVI) (“Respondent”), represented by John Berryhill...

REGISTRAR AND DISPUTED DOMAIN NAME

The domain name at issue is <nogreaterjoy.com> registered with Domain Name Sales Corp.

...

DECISION

As Complainant has failed to establish the requirements of Policy § 4(a)(i), Complainant’s requested relief is hereby DENIED.

Now, go take a look at what the domain name nogreaterjoy.com does today:


The abusive teachings of Michael and Debi Pearl


So, why do you use quotes around "legal dispute"?

I not only beat his ass, but my client, who has two children of his own, decided never to use the domain name, but instead to use it to warn people about this psychopathic asshole.

Did you think I was making it up?

[quinnox]

156. yep, and I suspect this is not just a fail, but a trolling attempt fail

[jberryhill]

164. Go up one

Poster thinks I jest about having beaten the guy.

[MADem]

165. This is like the breast feeding while drinking wine and smoking a cigarette at Olive Garden threads.

The poster isn't even subtle, and won't be participating in this thread anymore.

And good for you, that you had that legal victory!!!

This thread is NOT a total fail, just because of that neat-o tidbit!