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[Pretzel_Warrior]

1. welcome to DU!

Who is putting you down? And where were you born? My wife is a first generation immigrant from China.

[NYC_SKP]

3. Whoa, wait, I love you Pretzel_Warrior and the OP, darkangel218!!!!

We're all pink inside!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

9. thanks!! we are all very similar and only alotted a few decades here.

it's crazy what we spend our time doing while here.

[NYC_SKP]

27. Zactly!

Not the best video or audio but if you hang, it's worth it.

[darkangel218]

4. Just about everyone. The latest post i got was that i dont hail from a nordic country,

So fuck me for that.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

5. really? Wow. that is horrible.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

10. Link?

[tammywammy]

14. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023904140

[Katashi_itto]

16. Well, must be that Nordic Menace I read so much about...

[jberryhill]

58. Now you've done it

[cyberswede]

66. I don't see that in the reply.

[pinboy3niner]

87. Nope. This is the entire text of the reply that led to this OP:

1. Where did you grow up? How did you know about America at such a young age?
Why did you dream about American parents? That sounds strange to me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023903974

[BluegrassStateBlues]

2. Anyone doing that is a jackass.

Most people that take this great country for granted were born and raised here.

Some people want to shame us for calling America great and believing in its exceptionalism, but I am not ashamed and never will be.

[VanillaRhapsody]

74. Atell me about it...some expat Anarchist on another thread calling Obamacares a "Shitpile"

and thinks we are supposed to care what HE thinks......He seems to think we suck in general because we are not Anarcho-somethings or other (denies what anarchy means). He fled years ago...and now looks down his nose at us....

[BluegrassStateBlues]

131. You'd think an anarchist expat would be too busy in their utopia right now.

Too busy to post bitter rants on the Internet all day about a nation they left behind.

[VanillaRhapsody]

136. agree totally!

and they also accused me of being some kind of Republican apparently for caring about my country....can you believe that?!?

[tammywammy]

6. I see your delete thread.

I didn't see it as anyone being a "hater."

I didn't think there was a loving the country contest going on. Maybe you just need a break from DU.

[darkangel218]

8. No thanks, i wont have a "break from DU".

[tammywammy]

24. That's your choice.

Just my two cents...it seems a bit silly to start a pissing contest over who loves the country more.

[Rex]

21. There was ONE reply in that thread!

I have no idea what the OP is referring to either.

[tammywammy]

31. Apparently it's also this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023904140

Which was in response to her deleted thread.

[Rex]

37. I don't see the hate.

And if it is there, the OP should alert on it ASAP.

[tammywammy]

42. Me either.

Which is why starting a thread calling out the "haters" seems silly to me.

[Electric Monk]

86. PWI again, would be my educated guess. nt

[tammywammy]

90. Ahh, yes that would make sense.

My advice to take a break from DU would be even more appropriate then.

[darkangel218]

112. follow your won advice.

[tammywammy]

115. I'm not the one trying to start a pissing contest

Over what I've seen is some imagined slight by the "haters".

[darkangel218]

116. Contest in your eyes only.

No go follow your own advice. Thanks.

[tammywammy]

118. Whatever.

Have a good evening, I'm not the only one on the thread that doesn't see the "haters" you referenced in the OP. But continue on with your bad self.

[darkangel218]

119. You too

[jberryhill]

85. Some folks....

...make an occasional habit of acting out certain issues by posting on DU.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. Love means understanding that America has serious flaws, and

to state that it stands for the truth and equal opportunity of all its citizens doesn't explain away a financial rigged system where the rich get richer while preying on everybody it can.


That's not hate. It's just the truth.

[Southside]

128. So sorry about your mom

Very sorry they have not made her well. All my best to you family.

[Change has come]

11. Blah Blah Blah...

Sorry, this reads like a comment one would find on the faux news website.

[darkangel218]

13. Yah?? I dont visit faux news websites, so you would only know.

[Ranchemp.]

49. I don't watch Fox Nooze and I agree with her 100%.

I have always love my country and have served her honorably for over 35 years now, so take your comment and place it ..........................................................................!

[kentauros]

12. And here's proof of that:

My girlfriend, a New Zealander, wants to move here instead of me moving there. And not only that. She wants to move to Texas! (She fell in love with The Texas Hill Country after only one five-day visit.)

How's that for selling us?

[truebluegreen]

15. Because she knows it so well?

I'm not sure what that proves, but I don't think it is your point.

[kentauros]

22. She knows it well enough through me.

Plus, she isn't one to judge people based on where they live, something that could go a long way on DU

[truebluegreen]

29. I'm betting it is you she knows, not Texas or the US.

All I know is living in a foreign country, even one with a common language, can wear on a person after a while.

[kentauros]

36. She's tired of NZ; it's changing for the worse (i.e., conservatively.)

And she's a good judge of things, not to mention my previous statement of not judging people by where they live. DU still has that problem...

[truebluegreen]

44. Given it is the second time you have mentioned it,

are you trying to imply that I am judging people by where they live?

[kentauros]

53. Your own statement implies that for me, unless you wish to point me

in a different direction with it; I'm not seeing it if you meant something else:

"I'm betting it is you she knows, not Texas or the US."

She knows enough about Texas through me, my parents, my family, and other people she knows that live here. Plus, her visit showed her plenty of what's important to her, not us. We've been influenced by the politics and all that nastiness. I'd rather not pop her bubble. It would be rude, and I'm not a rude Texan

[truebluegreen]

62. You kinda made my point: it is you she knows.

Do you, your family and friends = Texas, or the US?

[kentauros]

69. All of it.

She has plenty of friends around the world, including the US. Politics is never a subject of discussion. I'm the same way, except here. I don't discuss politics with anyone else but one friend. So, I don't speak ill of either my home state or my home country (or my home planet.)

So, I guess I made your point if you ignore all of my other points about her also loving the US, the state of Texas, my family, her friends here, and then me. That's a lot to ignore to make a point...

[truebluegreen]

81. Whatevs. I guess I just find it interesting that she, or you, or anyone

is prepared to say that he or she "loves" something, without knowing much about it. That's exceptional.

[kentauros]

89. We see things differently than most, or

we allow the beauty of a place, beyond simply the geography, to come through. I'd rather experience the good of every place on the planet than to go there expecting the worst due to others telling me to expect the worst. Texas is a great state! And the US is a great country! If you look at it without the negative filters, then you might be amazed at what you see

[darkangel218]

123. I know nothing about "it"???

I've been here for 2 decades. No , I know nothing about it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

50. Well it wasn't NZ, but it was Michigan. All it took was a visit to Texas' beautiful

Piney Woods for me to want to move. I've never looked back after a tiny bout of homesickness (and realizing the person I was sick for wasn't there anymore anyway).

[kentauros]

63. The Piney Woods are amazing, aren't they?

Even though DUer Manifestor_of_Light doesn't have much good to say about the residents, she does agree that it still makes for a great drive in the country!

[ScreamingMeemie]

67. I, like what appears to be at least a few other DUers, had a misconception about the state.

The different geographical experiences available in Texas are truly amazing...and Inspiring.

[kentauros]

73. Just subscribe to Texas Highways and forget about the problems

with certain "types" of people. Then you can blend in and enjoy it all

[Violet_Crumble]

137. I don't think moving somewhere infinitely more conservative would work well...

The conservatives in NZ are nowhere near as conservative as US Republicans. I don't live in either NZ or the US, but if I had a choice NZ would win hands down with its universal healthcare, pensions, far superior work conditions, and other things like that which are pretty much the same as where I am. I'd be guessing she's moving there because of you, and if you weren't in the picture she'd be content with thinking that bit of Texas she fell in love with was a great place to visit again sometime...

[MADem]

127. That is the story of my life. I spent half my life outside USA.

I speak (and/or remember unimportant snippets of ) a lot of languages....BADLY....as a consequence!!!!

[1000words]

18. I would gladly swap citizenships with her

Even trade. No strings.

[kentauros]

25. US immigration doesn't quite work that way.

Maybe you can get them to change the laws?

[Nevernose]

40. The Texas Hill Country is truly beautiful

We used to camping there a lot when I was a kid. Floating in inner tubes on the San Marcos river under a full moon is one of my favorite memories of nature.

[kentauros]

47. We used to always go to Camp Warneke

It's been taken over by the Schlitterbahn, so that childhood landmark is forever erased.

San Marcos could have been another place to go, yet we only went once that I recall. Did you ever float down the Comal, or visit Landa Park in New Braunfels?

[Bigmack]

17. I love my country....

Hell... I've killed for my country.

But I feel about the US the way a child of an alcoholic mom feels.

I love her with all my heart, but I want her to do better.

[Bluenorthwest]

19. Links please, such comments should be alerted and are not welcome on nor

typical of DU. DU has a ton of people who are everywhere and who are from everywhere.

[darkangel218]

26. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023904140#post14

[ScreamingMeemie]

23. Yeah...ummm... that's rather rude to "fuck you" to us all...

Especially since I have no idea what the heck you're going on about.

Maybe it's time to walk away and take a breath. Just a thought.

[darkangel218]

28. I didnt mean it that way.

But why does it matter where in Europe I was born??

[ScreamingMeemie]

33. It doesn't to me. Not in the least.

People here can be massive jerks because they've got a screen protecting them from the reality of the crappiness of their words.

Sorry that happened to you.

[jberryhill]

41. It doesn't

The internet is accessible to millions of people.

They don't all like you.

Why does it matter if someone on the internet gives a shit where someone is born?

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

139. The person who posted about Nordic countries was making a point about government, not about where

you personally were born. They disagreed with you about the US being the greatest country in the world, which they have every right to do. You posting a flame bait OP about who loves America best is more of a problem.

Plenty of great things and plenty to criticize in this country. Pretending there's nothing wrong does not make it so. Even if we were the greatest country in the world, that doesn't mean we couldn't improve.

[Gravitycollapse]

30. This OP oozes a kind of idiotic dickishness not seen often here.

[darkangel218]

32. Huh??

Good luck on DU.

[Gravitycollapse]

35. You gave us all the proverbial middle finger. Thanks.

[darkangel218]

38. I gave the middle finger to those who deserved it.

Do you belong to that category?

[Gravitycollapse]

45. Read the title of your OP and get back to me. You appear to have just told...

Everyone on DU to go fuck themselves.

[ScreamingMeemie]

52. Calm down. She explained herself and the word "some" lets a good many of us

off the "fucking" hook (oooo, that sounds gross, but whatever).

[REP]

34. I was born a broad. My brother was born a dude.

[darkangel218]

43. lol

[kentauros]

77. I must be tired.

I only just now got it

[Ranchemp.]

39. I'm right there with you sister.

I love this country, I've taught my kids and grand kids to love this country, I'm very patriotic, I think the USA is an exceptional country and fuck all those that disagree with me.

[Gravitycollapse]

46. Seriously? Fuck everyone who disagrees with you?

You sound like a Tea Party member waxing unpoetic about American Exceptionalism.

[Ranchemp.]

56. What's the matter? You can't handle a difference of opinion?

You have to make false accusations? You're the one who sounds like a teabagger, not accepting that others might have a different take on the subject.
BTW, I do believe in American Exceptionalism, even if you don't and I will never apologize for it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

65. Swerving a little bit on/off topic, Modern Marvels had the episode about Mount Rushmore

on yesterday. It was the first time I felt, what I would call, patriotic in a long time.

And you are right, I believe in America being exceptional as well... we need to fight to keep her that way.

[Ranchemp.]

75. Thank you.

I've given my life to this wonderful country, keeping her safe, serving her in the federal capacity for more than 35 years now.

[tkmorris]

78. "BTW, I do believe in American Exceptionalism"

Interesting. What does "American Exceptionalism" mean to you exactly?

[Ranchemp.]

80. That we are a country that, despite it's faults,

still preservers in it's moral obligation to democracy and we are a can do nation.

[Violet_Crumble]

138. How exactly is the US exceptional?

The idea of American Exceptionalism was a driving force behind the Bush Doctrine, which was all about the mindset of the US being so exceptional that it could act unilaterally while demanding other countries didn't, imposing 'democratic' regime change on other countries that the US deemed a potential threat to it, preventative war and a host of other nasty stuff.

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/nsc/nss/2006/print/index.html

I'm guessing yr talking about how the US is better or unique in some way other countries aren't. I can think of one or two things where it's exceptional in a negative way compared to other First World countries (lack of universal healthcare, the gun thing) but I can't think of any positive ones that other countries wouldn't share...

[snooper2]

76. Do you actually know what happends whe gravity collapses?

Let's start with the black hole in the center of the Milky Way-

Has gravity collapsed there?

[Make7]

48. The best whisky is from Scotland. ( n/t )

[opiate69]

94. Aye, Laddie.. 'Deed it does.

Though, I wouldn't say nae to a glass of the Jameson, time to time.

[Whisp]

51. nope. Canada is the bestest, most amazing. Sorry!

but you don't get to decide that where I live is inferior to where you live.

[NoOneMan]

54. And fuck Canada

I think it believes in truth and equality a little less because its not the most amazing after all

[Skittles]

55. I would say America is very unique

but she's headed towards un-uniqueness

[darkangel218]

61. Not really.

You will never get the rights we have here elsewhere. The air we have here elsewhere. The beauty you have here elsewhere.

At least not in Europe.

[Schema Thing]

57. "I dance now at every chance at honky-tonks for drinks and tips....

[a la izquierda]

59. I won the lucky sperm lottery and...

Was born in a country. Yay. I hate rah rah nationalism. If I ever get pregnant, I'm moving abroad.

[darkangel218]

64. Good luck.

[a la izquierda]

82. It is getting incredibly difficult to do my job here...

Hence my disgust. But I admire your attitude, I do. I just can't take the stress here anymore.

[bowens43]

60. The US is not the best or most amazing....it has good and bad like every other country.

But hey , love it all you want. Personally I think loving a country is a bit a silly.

[darkangel218]

70. A bit silly?

I have left most of my family behind to move here. And guess what: I love it just as much as ever!!!

Go USA!!! X

[Vashta Nerada]

79. Agreed.

The OP sounds trollish.

[darkangel218]

88. I think your post sou sounds trollish to be honest.

Accusing other DUers if being trolls without proof is pretty messed up. Good luck to tout too.

[ScreamingMeemie]

91. The OP sounds trollish because she has a differing opinion on her adopted country?

Is this really what we're about on DU now, Vashta Nerada (who could be a troll as well for all I know because I don't think I've ever seen you before...)?

[NoOneMan]

68. When America dies, will its soul goto heaven, hell, or the Caymans?

[Vashta Nerada]

71. The US is best at what?

Very little.

The only things we're good at is being obese and self - absorbed.

[darkangel218]

83. lol ok.

If you had said that when I grew up, you would have been gone and never heard from.

We had no food, no heat, light.

Think twice what you wish for.

[Vashta Nerada]

125. Watch this.

You might learn something.

It's from a tv show, but there's a point that's still to be made.

[snooper2]

72. Whatever people say online doesn't matter

the spirit angels will whisk you away to be on beautiful cloud with Thatcher, watching hummingbirds breed

[Go Vols]

84. What a fucked up thread

East Block vs US

:/

[darkangel218]

92. Easf block???

I'm an American!!! ( fill in the rest )

[Go Vols]

93. You are drinking?

[darkangel218]

96. No im not!! are you??????????

[cyberswede]

97. !

[tammywammy]

95. I don't see any East Block vs US

I have yet to see these "haters" the OP referenced even after looking at her two previous threads.

[Kali]

98. ...

[kentauros]

100. Are you sharing with your cattle, horses, dogs, ...

[darkangel218]

103. ....

[kentauros]

105. Not necessarily the alcohol,

but the festive attitude

[darkangel218]

101. Thanks Kali.

Coming from you, I appreciate it.

[Arcanetrance]

99. I'm sorry people felt the need to be asses.

You are trying to voice your own unique opinion on this country from the view of someone who grew up on the outside.

[darkangel218]

102. Its ok, karma is a b***=.

[Arcanetrance]

104. Tis is true . Besides the rude people have you been doing ok

[darkangel218]

106. Im great thanks.

2 more months to go and I'm graduating.

What about you?

[Arcanetrance]

108. That's great news.

I'm doing so-so these days. Moving to Fort Lauderdale in December. I have family and my dad keeps having mini strokes on top of the big one he had that keeps setting his recovery back added to that my step moms kidney issues I need help. So theres family there that said if we move they'll help me take care of him.

[darkangel218]

110. FT Lauderdale is nice.

I personally would stay away from Miami.


You're going to like FL.

[Arcanetrance]

111. That's what my relatives keep saying.

They don't know I hate sunlight and heat with a burning passion.

[darkangel218]

113. You could get a job working nights and be a night owl like me

[Arcanetrance]

114. As a chef I basically do

I wouldn't hate sunlight quite as much if it wasn't for the fact that do to my eyes having a fucked up shape sunlight completely blinds me.

[darkangel218]

117. Same here. I get blinded even by headlights.

[Arcanetrance]

120. So do I

[darkangel218]

121. I guess we is vampyres

[Arcanetrance]

122. Yeah real vampires not sparkly ones

[HangOnKids]

132. due to my eyes

not do. Reading helps.

[opiate69]

107. 100+ posts, and nobody's posted this yet?

http://m.

Y'all be slacking, DU....

(all in good fun, Darkangel... I personally don't care where you're from.. You're here now, so be a good egg, and it's all good.)

[kentauros]

109. Well, that movie was

made in America, and probably by union people, too! Fuck yeah!

[quinnox]

124. well, goody for you! You win the ultra-nationalist award!

[FairWinds]

126. Read Some Howard Zinn . .

It's hard to take because it explodes so many chauvinistic myths.
But it's a part of your recovery from ultra-nationalism, maybe even jingoism !!
At least it was for me.
The truth is the truth.

[liberalmuse]

129. I think we all recognize this.

But being humans in one of the greatest countries on earth, we are lucky enough to have been given the luxury of seeing where we could improve. On the matter of survival, I could furnish an entire place for free with high quality goods by simply answering Craigslist ads and being able to get hold of a truck to pick up the stuff (and most of us could do this easily in America). I could dumpster dive in Seattle and get the best food imaginable - my daughter once brought home crates of food I couldn't afford to buy that she'd found in dumpsters (sealed and spoil-free). You just need to know where to go. Yes, we live in an amazing country. Those of us living here have already hit the lottery. But we need to be aware of those who want to drag us back into the Stone Age, and fight them whenever they pop up.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

130. Don't you know the main thing it takes to be a 'Merican is to not know stuff?

[YOHABLO]

133. No one really loves a country .. what you love are the people and their values .. huh?

[JayhawkSD]

134. All of you are posting your undying love for the United States.

Please include how many years you served in the armed forces defending the country you love so much.

Six years, US Navy Submarine Service.

[BootinUp]

143. thank you for your service

I am just a broke taxpayer, I probably should have enlisted. Thought about it for awhile when I was in high school.

[gopiscrap]

135. where were you born? I was born in Germany.

[MrsKirkley]

140. I honestly don't understand why citizens of countries with single-payer health care prefer the US.

Watching Michael Moore's documentary Sicko and learning what citizens of other countries have that Americans don't changed my opinion of the United States. Do countries like France, Canada, Norway, Sweden, etc. have entire political parties that are incapable of feeling empathy and think the poor deserve to die just because they get sick? On top of that there's so much greed.

[BootinUp]

141. I just want us to be better

but I think I can understand where you are coming from.

[applegrove]

142. Did you have an affair with Calista Gingrich too?

[Violet_Crumble]

144. That's nice. I certainly don't love the US...

I have never had the desire to live there, and never will. And it's not the best and most amazing country in the world, coz there's no country that's the best and most amazing. And when it comes to truth, that was sorely lacking during the Bush era. As for equal opportunity, it looks like it's sorely lacking for some minorities in some parts of the US. And don't get me started on US foreign policy...

Y'know, you can be happy you moved somewhere without making out that anyone who lives somewhere else is in some way inferior and missing out on some great experience. I know I've got things much better living where I am than if I'd been born in or moved to the US...