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Zynx

(21,328 posts)
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 10:14 AM Oct 2013

Why governments are not like households and should not behave like them

I had been challenged by someone on Facebook to defend the notion of why governments shouldn't budget like households. This was very well-received on FB, so I figured I should share it here:

I know it's a popular visceral response to think that when times are lean governments should learn to "live within their means" like everyone else. The instinct here is appealing. In stressful times, it seems that the appropriate course is to hunker down and consolidate under the logic that you'll be stronger when things right themselves, if indeed such a thing occurs.

To some extent, this phenomenon exists because households behave in ways that they shouldn't where they overextend in times of plenty and are left in precarious positions when incomes fall and asset prices decline. In other words, I think a large number of people are projecting their own financial mismanagement onto government and declaring it to be a moral imperative. I know there are large numbers of people who cannot ever earn enough to really avoid this, but let's speak for the fairly large numbers who can and don't.

The data bear this out, actually, where we see household debt levels relative to income behave in a highly pro-cyclical manner. Not only do individuals seem to spend every dime they earn when incomes are growing, but they tend to radically increase borrowing in anticipation that incomes will keep growing in the future. This is a simple empirical observation of how households behave. When jobs are lost, pay is reduced, or asset prices fall, households are left precariously balanced with insufficient resources and are forced to retrench. Let us therefore not even entertain the notion that the actual real-world function of household finances is something that government should emulate.

Regrettably, a great many people involved in politics force government to behave this way because they indeed do apply household financial principles to the government, but that certainly is not how government should operate. Frankly, households should actually behave in a much more counter-cyclical manner than they do, meaning they should build up large savings during flush times and draw down savings and take on debt during more difficult stretches to smooth things out. Some actually do this, meaning that better operating households *gasp* run deficits while managing their bountiful years better. More should do this. This would cause considerably less grief for everyone, but I digress.

Governments, by their very nature, are not at all like households for a few reasons:

1. Governments are immortal. Individuals need to make provision for their retirement because they will have to draw down large amounts of savings to live on when they are no longer able to work. Individuals must also retire their debts before or on the event of their deaths. Governments, by contrast, are the closest thing to immortal beings we have among us in our mortal world. Governments do not need to make provision for retirement because they need to continue to function in perpetuity. Similarly, government debt never needs to be fully "paid off". Because governments are immortal, a dollar of debt taken out today can just be rolled over again and again and again into the future until that dollar of debt is insignificant in relation to the tax base from which the government derives revenue. Take our World War II debt. That was never "paid off", but the $250ish billion in debt at the end of WWII became peanuts compared to the growth in GDP that occurred over the next few decades. Since government will never have to simply close up shop and settle all of its accounts at once, it's not relevant that its debts are never fully paid off. It can take advantage of the wonderful march of time.

2. Governments can increase their income on demand. When there's a shortfall to pay one's mortgage, you can't exactly go to your boss and say, "Can you please cover the difference?" Well, I guess you can try, but it won't achieve much. Governments have close to an unlimited ability to tax if need be to cover their debts. Granted, this power should be used judiciously since taxes have consequences, but the basic point is that government can, if necessary, make good deficiencies except in truly extreme cases. It does not have to do the equivalent of sacrificing buying prescription drugs in order to have enough fuel to go to work.

3. Government spending needs are either "acyclical" (meaning insensitive to the economic cycle) or counter-cyclical (rising during recessions and falling during booms). Most government services consist of things like police and fire protection, road construction, education, and baseline regulatory activities such as building and food inspections. This is the bulk of what government does. It doesn't make much logical sense for government to pull back on these things when recessions strike since the demand for these services is pretty much a uniform constant with a slight upward trajectory. It similarly doesn't make sense to behave as households do and splurge on them when revenues are growing briskly. Further, at the federal level, many of the functions of government are counter-cyclical such as unemployment insurance, food stamps, etc. This tends to mean that expenditure needs are rising sharply at the same time revenues are falling. Again, it makes no sense to retrench in the face of this and because of the two factors listed before this (government's infinite time horizon so that it can wait for revenues to recover and borrow in the interim plus government's ability to tax to make good shortfalls) it also doesn't have to. For government to behave pro-cyclically in the face of acyclical or counter-cyclical service demands is in defiance of reason.

Governments are regrettably cursed with a pro-cyclical revenue stream and there's no avoiding that. Tax revenues increase when the economy is growing and shrink when the economy contracts. This means governments will appear strained at the precise moments their services need to be maintained. Conversely, government revenues will appear flush when there is lesser need for welfare programs and there is also no need to increase those acyclical portions of government spending. This is why governments must not give into the household temptations to spend your excess and pull in when times get tough. Governments both shouldn't do this and don't need to do this. All that does is sharpen the booms and deepen the busts.

4. Households don't issue their own currency. This is along the same general lines as the point about taxes, but the federal government (though not state and local governments) can just issue more currency if need be. This is a power it has. Granted, that's inflationary, but inflation is another tool open to the government to reduce its debt and right its finances. There are consequences to this and they should be taken into account because governments, unlike households, also have the ability to cause broader pain, but this is certainly a power not open to households.

5. Governments act as conduits for society at large and they are not utility-seeking actors. This is a point that doesn't get made often enough. The term "the Government" gets thrown around a lot, but the government is not a single actor trying to maximize its utility. Governments are societal constructs to provide mutual security, infrastructure, etc. Households seek to maximize their utility at all turns. Governments basically have no utility function, at least not beyond the jumbled mess of differing utility functions society tries to satisfy through it. They are a mechanism. This is a pretty basic point, but the fundamental purpose and functions of the entities are just entirely different.

So, to summarize these points I would say that, firstly, governments are not like households in any real way. They are immortal with infinite time horizons, they are conduits and not utility-maximizing actors in of themselves, and they have the means to generate their own resources to make good shortfalls (within reason). Furthermore, because of the nature of what they do, between acyclical and countercyclical service demands, governments SHOULD NOT behave like households. For governments to behave pro-cyclically makes absolutely no sense given their basic functions. That results in government expanding when it's not needed and shrinking when it is. The idea that government should retrench at the same time households are strained is feel-good nonsense based on visceral notions and completely at odds with logic and reason.

In very brief, governments should not follow the example of the typical household. Because of the different nature of government, it doesn't have to. Therefore, please, let's not have government behave like a household. This is not an exhortation to spend like drunken sailors and print currency with reckless abandon. Rather, it's a plea to please incorporate a sensible analytical framework when assessing government policy.

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Why governments are not like households and should not behave like them (Original Post) Zynx Oct 2013 OP
Congratulations, Sir, On An Excellent Piece The Magistrate Oct 2013 #1
Thank you! Zynx Oct 2013 #3
I Agree It Needs To Be Hammered Home, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2013 #4
Excellent analogy! randome Oct 2013 #6
Very few people live on a balanced budget. vinny9698 Oct 2013 #12
Well, that's not exactly true SnowCritter Oct 2013 #15
This message needs to be said, read, and SPREAD!!!!!!! calimary Oct 2013 #20
Households, corporations and governments all behave in similar ways. randome Oct 2013 #2
The federal government can't go broke, so it's not the same at all. n/t duffyduff Oct 2013 #5
They can in a way but it's very different from what the rest of us consider 'going broke'. randome Oct 2013 #7
I had to borrow this and put it on my FB page. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #8
Thinking about putting this on my FB page. ChazII Oct 2013 #10
Bookmarked. Well-stated. lastlib Oct 2013 #9
Excellent. I'm also amused to see characters like Romney or Trump cheapdate Oct 2013 #11
I just tell them that my mortgage is 5 times more than my income... or 500% of my GDP. ErikJ Oct 2013 #13
Households do not need bombers, tanks, missiles, armies or navies ThoughtCriminal Oct 2013 #14
You conspicuously left out skepticscott Oct 2013 #16
Government demands a raise and gets it RobertEarl Oct 2013 #19
Excellant analysis ZX86 Oct 2013 #17
Thanks Zynx. If you don't mind .... Tanelorn Oct 2013 #18
Nice write-up.... Wounded Bear Oct 2013 #21
Zynx, that was well laid out. Will save and study it to use. freshwest Oct 2013 #22
k&r n/t RainDog Oct 2013 #23
Excellent. drm604 Oct 2013 #24
K & R SunSeeker Oct 2013 #25
I very much prefer to argue that governments DO, in fact, operate like households. Laelth Oct 2013 #26
Even the household budget analogy isn't valid. Cleita Oct 2013 #27
There is a huge difference between borrowing money skepticscott Oct 2013 #29
Really, the most affluent economy in the world can't pay it's bills? Cleita Oct 2013 #30
The "most affluent economy in the world" is paying its bills skepticscott Oct 2013 #31
Oh my so many hair on fire, be afraid, be very afraid, RW talking points in a couple of Cleita Oct 2013 #32
Trying to dismiss something by calling it a "talking point" skepticscott Oct 2013 #33
Whatever. You win. Cleita Oct 2013 #34
If you're going to be skepticscott Oct 2013 #36
Thank you for a succinct exposition of Keynesian economics. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #28
Excellent article and a few things to add if I may. airplaneman Oct 2013 #35

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
4. I Agree It Needs To Be Hammered Home, Sir
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:32 AM
Oct 2013

I like to turn the thing back on 'don't raise taxes/let's lower taxes' types:

Family sits down around the kitchen table to figure how to deal with a mounting stack of bills and Dad says, 'Well, I'll just ask the boss to cut my hours a bit tomorrow. Me getting paid less'll have this straightened out in no time....'

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. Excellent analogy!
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:34 AM
Oct 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
12. Very few people live on a balanced budget.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:19 PM
Oct 2013

If you have a car note or a mortgage then you are not on a balanced budget.
They want the US government to pay everything with cash.
Plus shouldn't our grand kids pay for things they are going to use, such as bridges, dams, highways, in the future. These items last more than one generation.

SnowCritter

(939 posts)
15. Well, that's not exactly true
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 10:48 PM
Oct 2013

You can carry debt and still have a balanced budget. Service on the debt would be part of the budget.

calimary

(89,959 posts)
20. This message needs to be said, read, and SPREAD!!!!!!!
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:50 AM
Oct 2013

TERRIFIC points to make, because that stupid simplistic and entirely unrealistic argument that government budgets are no different from household budgets and should be managed the same way just does not fit reality. The dynamics are totally different. The nature of the beast is totally different. You can't run a government like a household any more than you can run government like a business. They're simply NOT the same in design OR function.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
2. Households, corporations and governments all behave in similar ways.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 10:30 AM
Oct 2013

They take out loans and spend with credit.

The Conservative talking point that private enterprise is more efficient than the government is the lie that always gets me.

It's usually said by someone who has never worked in a large office environment. The bureaucracy is incredible in corporations.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. They can in a way but it's very different from what the rest of us consider 'going broke'.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:37 AM
Oct 2013

The government can default on its obligations, which would cause a financial catastrophe. But you're right in that the government will continue to function most of the time. Sometimes a fallen government gets replaced in the midst of a meltdown.

And individuals and corporations have the added protection of filing for bankruptcy. It doesn't always work but for many it does.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

LuvNewcastle

(17,812 posts)
8. I had to borrow this and put it on my FB page.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 12:09 PM
Oct 2013

I hope you don't mind; if you do, let me know and I'll take it down. I've got some family who sorely need to read it. My friends will enjoy it, but my friends aren't ignorant like my family is.

ChazII

(6,448 posts)
10. Thinking about putting this on my FB page.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 05:24 PM
Oct 2013

It would be great to see this on many other pages.

It should also be on DU's FB page.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
11. Excellent. I'm also amused to see characters like Romney or Trump
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:13 PM
Oct 2013

pretend that debt is not an ordinary part of business (not that government is a business) and not something they've leveraged in scores of business deals before.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
13. I just tell them that my mortgage is 5 times more than my income... or 500% of my GDP.
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 06:25 PM
Oct 2013

And Japan's debt is 200% of their GDP and after WW2 our debt to GDP was 125% vs our 95% now.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,721 posts)
14. Households do not need bombers, tanks, missiles, armies or navies
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 07:00 PM
Oct 2013

Usually a good dog is sufficient.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
16. You conspicuously left out
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 10:49 PM
Oct 2013

an evaluation of the differences in consequences, both short and long-term, between a household defaulting on their debts and a government doing it. Care to weigh in on that? And while you're at it, can you provide some evidence that deficit spending by governments is sustainable over the long term (since sustainability seems to be all the rage these days)?

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
19. Government demands a raise and gets it
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:31 PM
Oct 2013

The TBag party thinks government should never ask for a raise. But households always demand raises so they can live a better life. TBag party people loved getting raises, who doesn't? But now they deny others the opportunity.

Households, unless they way overspend or get caught in depressions don't default. Same with governments. But you can't run a government on short term basis, unless you are a TBagger that is doomed to fail..

ZX86

(1,428 posts)
17. Excellant analysis
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:04 PM
Oct 2013

This is just another example of conservatives who conflate personal responsibility/morality with public policy. While similar at times they are in no way synonymous. They do this on financial matters, religious issues, and especially anything relating to sex. Uninformed hypocrisy is the bedrock of their standard operating procedure.

Tanelorn

(359 posts)
18. Thanks Zynx. If you don't mind ....
Sat Oct 26, 2013, 11:25 PM
Oct 2013

may I paraphrase some of your arguments for an Australian audience . Our new government is insisting on 'living within our means just like households'.

I will use your work as a basis for a letter to the editor of our newspapers.

Wounded Bear

(64,300 posts)
21. Nice write-up....
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:03 AM
Oct 2013


A little OT, perhaps, but your article caused a thought to pop into my mind concerning Welfare reform under Clinton.

Not only was it generally a bad idea, but by the precepts you present it was the wrong time to do it.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
24. Excellent.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:54 AM
Oct 2013

I always tell people that governments are not households or even businesses, but I've always had difficulty putting into words just why this is true. Your essay does an excellent job of this.

I'll add that when people respond to this (and they will) by giving governments like those of Greece or Detroit as examples, a good response is that neither of those governments control their currencies.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
26. I very much prefer to argue that governments DO, in fact, operate like households.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:38 PM
Oct 2013

Nearly every household I know operates on constant debt. People buy houses they can't afford and live in them now but agree to pay for them over time. Most people buy cars the same way. To argue that reasonable people are perfect and never incur debt while the government is evil because it incurs debt is a patently stupid and ill-informed argument from my point of view. The Federal Government of the United States has been in debt through most of it's history. This is not new, nor is it inherently bad.

And, I would add, it's easier and safer for the Federal Government of the United States to borrow money than it is for individuals. I will also add that interest rates are at historic lows, and that makes it even less painful than ever for us to borrow money. In a fragile economy, when most people are suffering and when the private sector is not producing enough jobs, why shouldn't the Federal Government borrow and spend ... a lot?



-Laelth

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
27. Even the household budget analogy isn't valid.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:47 PM
Oct 2013

Most of us borrow to maintain our lifestyles. We have credit cards, mortgages on our houses and take out loans to buy cars and furniture. I spent the decade of my twenties living within my salary. I rented, had only bare bones utilities, no phone, rode the bus or walked and shopped in thrift or discount stores. I furnished my apartment with cast off furniture I found in alleys left for the trash pickup. I was never able to save much.

That all changed when I got married and we jumped on the debt bandwagon, even borrowing to invest in a business. It's just a BS argument about running things like a household budget or a business. Both run on credit. Its a fact.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
29. There is a huge difference between borrowing money
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:57 PM
Oct 2013

that, at least in theory, you are capable of paying back, and simply borrowing more and more and more every year, with no hope (or even any real intent) of ever paying that debt back down to zero. One is credit. The other is a train headed slowly off a cliff.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
30. Really, the most affluent economy in the world can't pay it's bills?
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:17 PM
Oct 2013

You believe that? When we go back to the pre-Reagan tax structure and stop feeding welfare to the MIC, you might be surprised how quickly we can pay our bills.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
31. The "most affluent economy in the world" is paying its bills
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 05:00 PM
Oct 2013

by borrowing money from less affluent economies. Whether we COULD generate more income and eliminate the yearly deficit by levying new or increased taxes is irrelevant, until we actually start doing it. Until then, the debt keeps growing without limit, until servicing the interest eats up the whole budget. At that point, the options are default or rampant inflation.

Deficit spending is simply not sustainable forever, not even for governments. We keep kicking the can down the road, but eventually the road comes to an end. At some point, you have to start living within your means, whether that involves spending less or taking in more. No getting around the cold equations.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
32. Oh my so many hair on fire, be afraid, be very afraid, RW talking points in a couple of
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 05:04 PM
Oct 2013

paragraphs. I think you need to go do some more reading.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
33. Trying to dismiss something by calling it a "talking point"
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 06:04 PM
Oct 2013

is just another way of saying that you have no actual argument to counter it, and really is intellectually bankrupt. If my math or my logic are in error, feel free to correct them, but please use facts and not lame dodges.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
36. If you're going to be
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:42 PM
Oct 2013

as snarky and condescending as you've been, and if you're going to accuse someone here of carrying water for the Republicans, you might at least try being right next time.

airplaneman

(1,386 posts)
35. Excellent article and a few things to add if I may.
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 06:28 PM
Oct 2013

Three other things about our debt:
Although tied to owning the printing press the government can also retire debt.
Being the worlds reserve currency we have no problem selling our debt because that is the only way other countries that use the USD (and a whole lot of countries do) are able to get their hand on our currency. Technically our biggest export is the USD sold as our debt.
Speaking of our debt and a household the 17 trillion in debt is actually only 12 trillion as 5 trillion is assets we loaned to ourselves - thats like saying you have 12K on your credit card and you loaned 5K of your money to you kids so you owe 17K total (5K + 12K)??? - I have not hear anyone add their debt up this way - you would be called stupid if you did!
-Airplane

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