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Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:48 PM Mar 2012

Taking a break from Rush for a moment... WTF is going on with kids' teeth..?

"A report from The New York Times says dentists around the country are seeing an uptick in preschool-age patients with multiple cavities - sometimes more than 10 - that require surgery under anesthia because the decay is so severe.

"The most severe cases have 12 or 16, which is seen several times a week," Dr. Megann Smiley, a dentist-anesthesiologist at Nationwide Children's Hospital in Columbus, Ohio, told the Times. For these children with severe cases of tooth decay, dentists turn to general anasthesia since it is unlikely a child will sit through drillings on multiple teeth."

Other contributing to factors to the preschool problem are age-old problems of snacking on sweets and drinking sugar-loaded juice from sippy cups. According to the Times, one surgeon said one 3-year-old boy arrived for his second round of dental surgery while holding a bottle of soda.

Alexander told HealthPop that parents sometimes give their kids a bottle of juice to help them fall asleep, which is especially problematic since children's enamel is thin to begin with, and the mouth's natural cleaning processes are less active when people sleep. He said another cause of cavities people might not think of is when a child falls asleep while breastfeeding. Breast milk contains natural sugars that can erode teeth, he said."

Fucking sugar! My doc says sugar should be a controlled substance like heroin. I quit sugar cold turkey and lost 40 lbs in 8 months... after some serious withdrawal discomfort.

Sugar is in everything... natural and added... cane, beet, and HFCS.

If we try to do anything about this, the rightwingnuts will squeal about "nanny state", but we may have to do something drastic.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57391527-10391704/more-preschoolers-showing-up-to-dentists-with-10-cavities-or-more-says-report/

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Taking a break from Rush for a moment... WTF is going on with kids' teeth..? (Original Post) Bigmack Mar 2012 OP
I read an article a few weeks ago that said dentists give too many fillings tridim Mar 2012 #1
Amen. "Brownies" are not cavities but require the same amount of treatment. kickysnana Mar 2012 #28
In the last 15 years or so, I saw more parents giving their children juice shraby Mar 2012 #2
Something I've noticed in the last several years is that kids tote a sippy cup Arkansas Granny Mar 2012 #14
and many people have no dental coverage SoCalDem Mar 2012 #3
...and red teeth! Do you remember the red teeth? Cerridwen Mar 2012 #10
I remember the red "pill" SoCalDem Mar 2012 #11
We had too much fun to be embarrassed. Cerridwen Mar 2012 #12
They still do that here in Canada laundry_queen Mar 2012 #25
Lack of access to dental care Horse with no Name Mar 2012 #4
Probably lack of insurance - we have coverage but we still end up paying quite a bit TBF Mar 2012 #5
NYTimes had similar article, I still cannot believe it, even a toothbrush twice a day would help,,,, benld74 Mar 2012 #6
too much pop, not enough milk. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #7
We don't need to regulate sugar. We need to restrict soda. Kids suck on it kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #8
Bottled/filtered water too. (No flouride.) /nt TheMadMonk Mar 2012 #9
I was thinking bottled water, too. The fluoride issue. Where is PCIntern on this?... truth2power Mar 2012 #20
He is incorrect about breastfeeding. vanlassie Mar 2012 #13
+10000000000 laundry_queen Mar 2012 #23
Maybe the drastic thing that ohheckyeah Mar 2012 #15
How about a nice yogurt for lunch.... Bigmack Mar 2012 #19
I don't like it. ohheckyeah Mar 2012 #22
My kids didn't eat much sugar laundry_queen Mar 2012 #24
I guess we have different experiences. ohheckyeah Mar 2012 #26
Bottled water without fluoride? Warpy Mar 2012 #16
Pottenger's cat experiment Recursion Mar 2012 #17
lack of dental insurance Marrah_G Mar 2012 #18
My daughter got a hole in her front tooth when she was a baby. Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #21
I doubt it was from breast feeding vanlassie Mar 2012 #27
Maybe so. Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #29

tridim

(45,358 posts)
1. I read an article a few weeks ago that said dentists give too many fillings
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:59 PM
Mar 2012

I totally get it since I'm at an age now where my teen filling are getting ready to fall out. Cha-ching.

Had a molar crack awhile back due to a large filling that weakened the tooth.

I really wish I would have asked to see the "decay" on the xrays back when I was a teen, but of course I didn't. I know I've never had a toothache.

kickysnana

(3,908 posts)
28. Amen. "Brownies" are not cavities but require the same amount of treatment.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 10:41 AM
Mar 2012

Pick you dentist wisely. They get a lot for putting kids under.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
2. In the last 15 years or so, I saw more parents giving their children juice
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:02 PM
Mar 2012

instead of milk in their bottles. Milk builds stronger teeth..juice, even pure juice without added sugar still has tons of fruit sugar..called fructose.

The substitute of juice for milk was a bad decision in my mind. I couldn't believe my eyes when mothers started doing that.

Arkansas Granny

(32,265 posts)
14. Something I've noticed in the last several years is that kids tote a sippy cup
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:12 PM
Mar 2012

around with them until they are 3 - 4 years old. I also see most kids drinking juice and soda from those sippy cups instead of water.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
3. and many people have no dental coverage
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:07 PM
Mar 2012

or if they do, the co-pays are so high that dental care often comes last, or only when the kids have a toothache.

same goes for vision care.

Way back in "olden times" (when I was in grade school), we had dentists and optometrists come to the school & give us all cursory check-ups.. polio shots/oral vaccine at school too.
Back then we also all got checks for scoliosis.


They lined us up, checked us, and sent home the results to our parents

Cerridwen

(13,262 posts)
10. ...and red teeth! Do you remember the red teeth?
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:56 PM
Mar 2012

Or was that a different 'olden times'?

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
11. I remember the red "pill"
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:58 PM
Mar 2012

way to embarrass the kiddies about their bad brushing techniques.. We all got a new toothbrush too

Cerridwen

(13,262 posts)
12. We had too much fun to be embarrassed.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:09 PM
Mar 2012

Even the good brushers had red-ish teeth going on.

Yep, toothbrush and toothpaste.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
25. They still do that here in Canada
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:10 AM
Mar 2012

Yeah, the kids had a blast. I remember it too, except I hated it (I got embarrassed easily).

Also here, you can go to the local health unit and they will give you those tablets for free so you can help show your kids how to brush better.

Horse with no Name

(34,237 posts)
4. Lack of access to dental care
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:09 PM
Mar 2012

Many insurance policies don't include dental. The ones that do, have limited coverage.

For those on CHIPS and Medicaid...many dentists don't accept it. The ones that do, give shoddy care and bill for services never rendered. I know this to be a fact.

There are lots of reasons that this could happen, but in a child this kind of disrepair will only come without access to care.

TBF

(36,570 posts)
5. Probably lack of insurance - we have coverage but we still end up paying quite a bit
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:22 PM
Mar 2012

$300 here and there adds up pretty fast ...

benld74

(10,284 posts)
6. NYTimes had similar article, I still cannot believe it, even a toothbrush twice a day would help,,,,
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:24 PM
Mar 2012
 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
8. We don't need to regulate sugar. We need to restrict soda. Kids suck on it
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 10:29 PM
Mar 2012

all day long. And juice drinks, too. PURE sugar.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
20. I was thinking bottled water, too. The fluoride issue. Where is PCIntern on this?...
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 12:18 AM
Mar 2012

Of course it might be a combination of factors.

vanlassie

(6,245 posts)
13. He is incorrect about breastfeeding.
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:10 PM
Mar 2012

Breastfeeding and falling asleep does not cause dental caries. They are caused by strep mutans. It is DUMB to suggest witholding breastmilk. Anyone who does is just not up to date in their breastfeeding education.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
23. +10000000000
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 12:58 AM
Mar 2012

Sheeit, I was so tired of this particular bit of ignorance I had to counter with my children. 3 out of 4 of my kids required dental surgery (ie, fillings, caps and extractions under general anesthesia) by the time they were 3. 2 out of 4 had severe decay. All had cavities. All have had an absess (thanks to their 'solution' of caps that have a 50% chance of absessing). With my first 3 all I heard was 'you need to not breastfeed them when they are asleep. You need to not breastfeed them at night' etc. Funny, how my one child who didn't need surgery nursed at night more than all the other ones. The only difference was she wasn't very demonstrative so didn't kiss us as much. Apparently, that strep mutans bacteria gets transferred from the parents to the child from things like kissing, 'testing' food, cleaning off a paci by sucking on it, etc. In fact, I didn't have any cavities at all, ever, growing up and when I got together with my children's father, suddenly I had cavities constantly. WTF?

Later on I found out that he probably carried the bacteria, passed it to me and I passed it to our children. Add into that non-flouridated water and a genetic predisposition for malformed teeth (on my kids' dad's side) and my kids had teeth that ERUPTED rotten. Where I live I had a public health nurse that did dental for kids at risk and she says she had never quite seen anything like my youngest child's teeth. One month they were under the gums, the next month they were erupted and rotting away. So I asked her, just to 'test' her, "Could that possibly be from night nursing?" and she laughed and said, "GOD no. And don't let anyone ever tell you that either." She said it was likely when the teeth were forming when I was pregnant.

The solution for decay? Flouride varnish. Not the stuff the dentists give you, it's more like a resin that is 'painted' on the teeth and it sticks to the teeth for a day or so. My kids started getting flouride varnish (given out here at the health unit for kids at risk of decay) and the rate of decay slowed dramatically. As in, only a couple of cavities in the years since the varnish. My youngest had her 1 year bottom molars come in rotted (as aforementioned) but her front teeth were beautiful and strong, so the nurse said there is no way her decay had to do with nursing. We kept up the varnish and she's only ever needed those particular molars fixed, everything else has been fine except for an absess from the capped molar, so that got pulled, but didn't require a general anesthesia. But no extra cavities at all on any of her other non-malformed teeth. And since we've moved to an area that now has flouridated water, we've had zero problems.

I did a lot of research about breastfeeding and cavities after my first child's dental surgery and found out that most kids never have an issue. It CAN cause an issue if the teeth are not brushed with flouride toothpaste as they erupt, but I always brused my kids' teeth with flouride toothpaste, I even bought kids' type flouridated rinse and my babies had their mouths often wiped out with a washcloth after they fell asleep at the breast. I was super careful with all of my kids, especially after my first who lost all of her front teeth with her surgery.

Oh, and I'd like to add that while my kids breastfed for a long time, they never walked around with sippy cups full of juice. They all don't particularly care for juice, and I never fed them sugary things. So I think the cause of the rise has a lot to do with lack of insurance and preventative care, as well as the addition of sugar in even traditionally 'non-sugary' foods and also a reduced use of anti-biotics. Plus, when I was younger it was a big thing for kids to go in and get 'sealants'. Now it's hard to find dentists that even DO sealants, because it's not good business if your clients get preventative care and don't need you to fill their cavities anymore. It's probably a lot of issues that are all converging at the same time causing the rate of cavities to go up.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
15. Maybe the drastic thing that
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:14 PM
Mar 2012

needs to happen is for parents to learn to say "No, you can't have soda." Or ice cream, cookies, cake, candy on a daily basis.

We weren't allowed and we lived.

"We" don't need to do something drastic.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
19. How about a nice yogurt for lunch....
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 12:08 AM
Mar 2012

25 to 35 grams of sugar! That shit is everywhere, and even folks who try have to watch everything, because they put sugar in everything!

And then there's diet pop.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
22. I don't like it.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 12:21 AM
Mar 2012

Sugar being in so many food items really isn't a new thing. Parents just used to monitor what their kids ate.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
24. My kids didn't eat much sugar
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:08 AM
Mar 2012

rarely had pop (special occasions only, like Christmas or birthdays), hardly ever had candy (a few times/year maybe), ate vegetables and cheese for snacks, drank milk or water and rarely juice. Yet all of my kids had some decay and 3 required surgery by the age of 3.

My friend, by comparison, constantly gave her kids lollipops and chocolate bars, and her kids were all juice-aholics. Not a single cavity.

BTW, parents monitor what their kids eat just the same as they always did. In fact, most parents where I live are ultra-anal and so are the schools (we brown bag lunches here and always get literature about nutrition). They have 'rainbow lunch' days where they are supposed to bring brightly coloured natural foods and 'fresh fruit Fridays' which is self-explanatory. There's a huge movement here for people feeding their kids organic. In my 14 years as a parent, I have yet to meet a single parent who didn't care what their kids ate. Even my friend who gave her kids all kinds of candy was very careful about giving them tons of veggies and fruits regularly. She just didn't see sugar as a problem, like I did (of course it helps to have kids who are so sensitive to chocolate that a chocolate ice cream cone will make them run circles in the yard for hours on end - makes you aware of their sugar intake pretty darn quick, lol). But yeah, haven't seen any parents who are laissez-faire when it comes to their kids' food. I think it's a myth, myself.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
26. I guess we have different experiences.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:12 AM
Mar 2012

I know many kids who are allowed to drink sodas all day long.

Warpy

(114,585 posts)
16. Bottled water without fluoride?
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:41 PM
Mar 2012

The only reason kids didn't have to suffer like this for years was fluoridated water.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
17. Pottenger's cat experiment
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:43 PM
Mar 2012

They're the third generation raised on refined sugars and processed foods.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
18. lack of dental insurance
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 11:53 PM
Mar 2012

lack of time for many single parents working multiple lowpaying jobs... probably lots of reasons.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
21. My daughter got a hole in her front tooth when she was a baby.
Wed Mar 7, 2012, 12:21 AM
Mar 2012

It was definitely from falling asleep while breastfeeding. But, I wasn't going to wake her up to brush her teeth. She was one tough cookie to get down for a nap or a night's sleep.

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