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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:11 PM Oct 2013

Suzanne Somers: The Affordable Care Act Is a Socialist Ponzi Scheme

What will the Affordable Care Act mean for retirees?

SUZANNE SOMERS: As a writer of 24 books mostly on health and wellness and by using my celebrity to get to the best and brightest doctors, scientists and medical professionals in the alternative and integrative health-care world, I have come to the following conclusions:

First of all, let’s call affordable health care what it really is: It’s socialized medicine.


I’ve had an opportunity to watch the Canadian version of affordable health care in action with all its limitations with my Canadian husband’s family. A few years ago, I was startled to see the cover of Maclean’s, a national Canadian magazine, showing a picture of a dog on an examining table with the headline, “Your Dog Can Get Better Health Care Than You.” It went on to say that young Canadian medical students have no incentive to become doctors to humans because they can’t make any money. Instead, there is a great surge of Canadian students becoming veterinarians. That’s where the money is. A Canadian animal can have timely MRIs, surgeries and any number of tests it needs to receive quality health care.

My sister-in-law had to wait two months to get a General Practitioner. During this period she spent her days in bed vomiting continuously, unable to get any food or drink down because she couldn’t get an appointment with the doctor. When she finally did, the doctor said, “Oh you don’t need me, you need a specialist.” That took another two weeks until she got a pill that corrected the problem.


more crap http://blogs.wsj.com/experts/2013/10/28/suzanne-somers-the-affordable-care-act-is-a-socialist-ponzi-scheme/

She's an Expert!

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Suzanne Somers: The Affordable Care Act Is a Socialist Ponzi Scheme (Original Post) n2doc Oct 2013 OP
Another person that never has to worry about anything against something that helps those that do. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #1
This is also a person who is against chemotherapy... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #3
What the fuck? BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #4
I know. The fact that they give her air time blows me away... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #14
Alternative medicine nuts do a disservice to all Americans. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #20
Well, to be fair she did sell thigh masters. n/t cynatnite Oct 2013 #2
All this talk of socialized medicine must be making our veterans feel uncomfortable. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #5
She didn't just PLAY a clueless blonde. trof Oct 2013 #6
Fake Blonde. They're the ones that drag down the IQ of naturals. nt adirondacker Oct 2013 #30
LOL ailsagirl Oct 2013 #53
I thought Social Security was supposed to be the ponzi scheme? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #7
BI: Wall Street Journal Enlists Suzanne Somers To Critique Obamacare, And Of Course It's A Disaster pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #8
Well she is an expert on being in a low brow sitcom. Rex Oct 2013 #9
So Suzanne the Humanist let her SIL vomit for months and didn't PCIntern Oct 2013 #10
Seriously. Plus, this would warrant an ER visit, not waiting months for a GP. anneboleyn Oct 2013 #25
no food and vomiting continuously rurallib Oct 2013 #46
Continuous vomiting, huh? NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #11
So she wasn't just faking Chrissy's stupid? marmar Oct 2013 #12
Yet oddly enough, my American husband got health-care immediately in and near Montreal, twice. WinkyDink Oct 2013 #13
Suzanne Somers give medical and nutrition advice even though she knows nothing ..... Botany Oct 2013 #15
Well if Suzanne says it… Oh forget it. Just look: tblue Oct 2013 #16
Proof that bleach soaks into the brain through hair follicles. lpbk2713 Oct 2013 #17
Welcome to my shit list Somers Boudica the Lyoness Oct 2013 #18
Just sent a tweet her way. WTF, why is she talking about things she hasn't researched at all. stevenleser Oct 2013 #19
I'm not interested in anything that vapid, uninformed twit has to say, lol. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #21
Shouldn't her friend have gone to the emergency room, Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #22
Not only that nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #62
I see a Fox News vankuria Oct 2013 #23
I think she meant Potsie scheme. /nt pintobean Oct 2013 #24
bwaahahahahaaa... spanone Oct 2013 #26
Translation: "If poor people don't needlessly get sick and die, rich people may have Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #27
How can the brilliant mind behind the Thighmaster be so wrong?! nt Deep13 Oct 2013 #28
She is angry because Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #29
well there, see? mike_c Oct 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Oct 2013 #32
She really is the the same as the idiot character she played on tv. Unfortunately it isn't lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #33
I know a lot of Canadians who disagree with her. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #34
So do I DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #38
every RW nutjob i know "knows" or "has a canadian relative" who "died because of waiting times" dionysus Oct 2013 #49
Lest we forget...for years FLyellowdog Oct 2013 #35
and let's not forget this!!! Skittles Oct 2013 #39
*sigh* nt FLyellowdog Oct 2013 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #36
Consider Ms Somers' "credentials." DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #37
Well, like her sister in law, she's a fucking idiot. laundry_queen Oct 2013 #40
I absolutely love it when our Canadians DUers chime in on these threads. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #42
NP. It just pisses me off SO much. laundry_queen Oct 2013 #44
i don't like the meme that it's free. more like you didn't have to pay for it at the door because dionysus Oct 2013 #50
ugh. laundry_queen Oct 2013 #56
sorry! dionysus Oct 2013 #68
Expert at Wall Street Journal !!! lunasun Oct 2013 #41
heh. She and the other capitalist pigs aren't thinking this through. SammyWinstonJack Oct 2013 #43
She's off her rocker, polly7 Oct 2013 #45
LOL-- love that idiom "off her rocker!!" ailsagirl Oct 2013 #52
This is the person who suppressed her immune system with "natural" medicine... longship Oct 2013 #48
HAHAHAHAHAHA ailsagirl Oct 2013 #51
Yes, you damn twit Veterinarians are rich!! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #54
Three's Company was a a funny sitcom Chrissy, ConcernedCanuk Oct 2013 #55
Why do TV or movie stars, current or past their prime think they know what they are talking about Packerowner740 Oct 2013 #57
She meant Fonzie Scheme rokkitman Oct 2013 #58
Cool story nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #59
Im guessing Stephanie Miller won't be having her back on the show! bullwinkle428 Oct 2013 #60
Yep, expert observation. jsr Oct 2013 #61
ha! if only! MisterP Oct 2013 #63
Hey Chrissy! Don't use the thighmaster with complex yoga exercises Zambero Oct 2013 #64
What an idiot! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #66
A friend of mine PasadenaTrudy Oct 2013 #67
 
1. Another person that never has to worry about anything against something that helps those that do.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:13 PM
Oct 2013

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
3. This is also a person who is against chemotherapy...
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:16 PM
Oct 2013

who has received numerous criticisms from the American Cancer Society for using her celebrity to keep people from seeking actual real treatment for their cancer.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
14. I know. The fact that they give her air time blows me away...
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:22 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.celebitchy.com/76583/suzanne_somers_anti-chemotherapy_book_questioned_by_american_cancer_society/

snip-

Suzanne Somers is promoting an incredibly dangerous message according to many medical professionals and the American Cancer Society. In her latest book she argues that chemotherapy does not work for most cancers and that patients should turn to alternative medicine instead. This is something she’s believed for a long time – when she had breast cancer ten years ago, she chose to undergo radiation along with a lumpectomy. Since she’s doing okay, that’s evidence to Somers that chemotherapy is unnecessary for breast cancer. She also recently said that chemo killed Patrick Swayze, not pancreatic cancer.

Somers has some very extreme views on the lengths she’ll go to in order to remain looking and feeling young and healthy. She messes around with complex bioidentical hormones and pops over 60 pills a day. In January she was on Oprah espousing her ideals, and frankly she came off as a whack job. I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt at the time, but in hindsight I should not have. She’s careful about phrasing things in terms of “this is just what I think I should do, you have to make your own choice,” but saying things like chemo kills, not cancer, shows that’s not what she really believes.

And health professionals are saying she’s downright dangerous. Here are some excerpts from the Huffington Post’s article about Somers’ medical advice.

Suzanne Somers is at it again. Less than a year after the former sitcom actress frustrated mainstream doctors (and cheered some fans) by touting bioidentical hormones on “The Oprah Winfrey Show,” she’s back with a new book. This one’s on an even more emotional topic: Cancer treatment. Specifically, she argues against what she sees as the vast and often pointless use of chemotherapy.

-snip

The last two paragraphs are from an article on Huffington:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/20/suzanne-somers-new-target_n_328063.html
 
20. Alternative medicine nuts do a disservice to all Americans.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:41 PM
Oct 2013

Just saw this on Twitter. Apparently there's 3 corrections already. Here's 2:

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
5. All this talk of socialized medicine must be making our veterans feel uncomfortable.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:17 PM
Oct 2013
 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
7. I thought Social Security was supposed to be the ponzi scheme?
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:18 PM
Oct 2013

they keep mixing up their memes

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
8. BI: Wall Street Journal Enlists Suzanne Somers To Critique Obamacare, And Of Course It's A Disaster
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:18 PM
Oct 2013
Josh Barro Oct. 28, 2013, 5:56 PM




In a web feature titled "The Experts," the Wall Street Journal ran a column today called "The Affordable Care Act Is a Socialist Ponzi Scheme."

The author is Suzanne Somers, whom millennials might recognize from her starring role on ABC's family-oriented '90s sitcom "Step By Step."

Somers warns:

Medical care will be degraded, the costs will skyrocket, and most frightening of all, your most intimate and personal information is now up for grabs. And then there is another consideration: It’s the dark underbelly of the Affordable Care Act reminiscent of what Lenin and Churchill both said. Lenin: “Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state.” Churchill: “Control your citizens’ health care and you control your citizens.”

Philip Bump and Jonathan Chait have both written takedowns noting, politely, that the piece does not provide the sort of airtight argument you might expect from the star of the first five seasons of "Three's Company."

...


http://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-journal-enlists-noted-health-policy-expert-suzanne-somers-to-critique-obamacare-2013-10





PCIntern

(28,369 posts)
10. So Suzanne the Humanist let her SIL vomit for months and didn't
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:19 PM
Oct 2013

offer to help her gain assistance, with all her money and influence? Glad I'm not related to her...

anneboleyn

(5,626 posts)
25. Seriously. Plus, this would warrant an ER visit, not waiting months for a GP.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:52 PM
Oct 2013

Suzanne is an idiot. As you point out, why wouldn't she help an obviously severely ill relative (continuous vomiting would be very dangerous -- even fatal)?

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
13. Yet oddly enough, my American husband got health-care immediately in and near Montreal, twice.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:20 PM
Oct 2013

It might even have been free of charge.

Botany

(77,323 posts)
15. Suzanne Somers give medical and nutrition advice even though she knows nothing .....
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:24 PM
Oct 2013

... I heard her on the Stephanie Miller show talking about the human endocrine
system and she didn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. She is just a shill
and her co-stars on her TV show did not like her and the writers and producers
wrote her out of the show.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
18. Welcome to my shit list Somers
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:28 PM
Oct 2013

My husband and I are both 60 this year. Here in the USA we pay almost $1500 a month in medical insurance premiums.

I have had major surgeries this year, and even with this expensive insurance, I have had to wait for many months, in pain, to see specialists.

It looks like we're going to save $1,000 a month with Obama care!!!!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
19. Just sent a tweet her way. WTF, why is she talking about things she hasn't researched at all.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:37 PM
Oct 2013
https://twitter.com/stevenleser/status/394970318063665152

@SuzanneSomers With #Obamacare, you go to private doctor & have private health insurance. Nothing remotely Socialist about it.

Baitball Blogger

(52,345 posts)
22. Shouldn't her friend have gone to the emergency room,
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:45 PM
Oct 2013

which would have referred her to a specialist?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
62. Not only that
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:07 AM
Oct 2013

But emergency cases are prioritized in Canada, like everywhere else. In Canada she could have gone to an urgent care facility, not even the ER after two months, oh the dehydration, weight loss and electrolytic imbalance qualify for the ICU.

Summers counts on the ignorance of her marks.

vankuria

(968 posts)
23. I see a Fox News
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:45 PM
Oct 2013

correspondent job opening for her very soon. May-be she'll be the new "health" consultant.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
27. Translation: "If poor people don't needlessly get sick and die, rich people may have
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:54 PM
Oct 2013

To occasionally wait for something."

I mean, that's the gist if it.

mike_c

(37,051 posts)
31. well there, see?
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:00 PM
Oct 2013

The matter is FINALLY settled. The world's foremost authority on Canadian medicine has pronounced the ACA DOA.

Response to n2doc (Original post)

lostincalifornia

(5,362 posts)
33. She really is the the same as the idiot character she played on tv. Unfortunately it isn't
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:06 PM
Oct 2013

Socialized medicine. Medicare is pretty close. Is she against that also? Why doesn't she tell that to people 65 and over to see how much it would cost to get coverage if they didn't have Medicare.

No surprise it is from the wsj.

Anything more I have to say about HER opinion on healthcare insurance I can not repeat, it would be too profane


DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
38. So do I
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:24 PM
Oct 2013

I live within walking distance of the Canadian border.

The next time I go over I'm going to mention this to some of my friends in the Dominion of Canada...including one whose life was saved by triple-bypass open heart surgery in a Canadian hospital, no "waiting list," and he wasn't bankrupted.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
49. every RW nutjob i know "knows" or "has a canadian relative" who "died because of waiting times"
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:31 PM
Oct 2013

funny, I have tons of colleagues from the UK and Canada at work, and every single one of them loves the health care they have.

the myth about waiting a long time for surgery, my Canadian friend told me, was maybe because sometimes you (might) have to wait a month or two for elective surgery (say there's a small wait for a knee replacement, for example) if they were swamped. they would never deny care to a sick person or someone who would perish without medical attention.

FLyellowdog

(4,276 posts)
35. Lest we forget...for years
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:13 PM
Oct 2013

she hawked beautiful fake diamonds on HSN. I know...I own a closet full.

Response to n2doc (Original post)

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
37. Consider Ms Somers' "credentials."
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:22 PM
Oct 2013

"Chrissy Snow"...and the actress who almost destroyed a hit TV show because of her egotistic demands for more $$$ because she thought she was the "centre" of the show (personally, I thought the late John Ritter MADE "Three's Company&quot .

"She's The Sheriff"...one of the most bog-awful excuses for a TV show I can think of.

Dr Somers, what is your prescription?

Are you afraid that the ACA, which unfortunately comes nowhere near being true "socialised medicine," will lessen the profits on the 24 books you've written?

And consider the source: The Wall Street Journal, the most ardently right-wing, pro-big business publication in the country. My wife's former boss, a bank CFO, used to read it on the shitter. No joke.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
40. Well, like her sister in law, she's a fucking idiot.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:29 PM
Oct 2013

Her sister in law had to wait 2 months to get a GP? Let's read into that shall we?

She had to wait 2 months to get a GP. Yes, there are waits for getting in with a family doctor IN A FEW AREAS in the entire country. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T SEE A DOCTOR! Her SIL must be as dumb as shit, because at any time she could've made an appointment to go to a 24-hour mediclinic or gone to the ER. For free. And in the end, she got to see a specialist in 2 weeks and got her cure. FOR FREE. Instead, she was too fucking stupid to haul herself to either a mediclinic or and ER and CHOSE....let me reiterate that...CHOSE to suffer until she got in to a GP.




This Canadian says Suzanne Somers is a TFM and knows shit about our system.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
42. I absolutely love it when our Canadians DUers chime in on these threads.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:39 PM
Oct 2013
Thank you laundry_queen

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
44. NP. It just pisses me off SO much.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:55 PM
Oct 2013

I used to live far away from my parents...in another province. Everytime we went for a visit, never failed, one of my kids would get sick. Once it was the norovirus that wouldn't quit, once it was scarlet fever, once I started bleeding while pregnant....I NEVER HAD TO WAIT TO SEE A GP. I went to the walk-in mediclinic once, the ER once, and the local doctor's office (was not my family doctor or GP but saw my daughter anyway, no questions asked). We got looked after right away - no one asked if we had a GP, no one refused to see us, no one said, "Wait until you have a GP". We walked in, we got examined, we got the tests we needed and we went home, no charge.

The ONLY reason her SIL had to wait is because her SIL is a fucking moron. The end.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
50. i don't like the meme that it's free. more like you didn't have to pay for it at the door because
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:35 PM
Oct 2013

you already paid your taxes for it. and since there isn't a profit motive in a govt program... shazaam, awesome system...

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
56. ugh.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:19 PM
Oct 2013

I hate how I always have to qualify my 'free' with 'free at the point of use'. Really? I think DUers already know this. Most do anyway. I leave it off once and I get this.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,316 posts)
43. heh. She and the other capitalist pigs aren't thinking this through.
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:54 PM
Oct 2013

The less us peons spend on health care, the more we have, to spend on her and others crap products.





If they weren't so damn greedy, they would realize that.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
45. She's off her rocker,
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:56 PM
Oct 2013

and just from a quick look at this post - knows absolutely fuck all about the Canadian health care system.

longship

(40,416 posts)
48. This is the person who suppressed her immune system with "natural" medicine...
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:21 PM
Oct 2013

...and almost died from the resulting fungal infection. Taking so-called bio identical hormones (I.E. steroids) without being under the care of a doctor isn't advisable. Nevertheless, that's what she did. She blames the doctors in the ER who saved her life.

Her story of this is so full of shit you kind of know she's made much of it up.

pitbullgirl1965

(564 posts)
54. Yes, you damn twit Veterinarians are rich!!
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:52 PM
Oct 2013
Instead, there is a great surge of Canadian students becoming veterinarians. That’s where the money is. A Canadian animal can have timely MRIs, surgeries and any number of tests it needs to receive quality health care.

It costs just as much to go to vet school as med school, it's tougher to graduate (the wide variety of species) and Vets can't charge what Doctors do you silly gd twit!

Go to a Vet then. GOD I hate this argument. So let's not give pets quality health care lets make them suffer! and magically this will alleviate problems with human health care.
I knew I didn't like her. What a bubblehead
 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
55. Three's Company was a a funny sitcom Chrissy,
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:16 PM
Oct 2013

.
.
.

but making lies about our system is just plain pathetic.

I haven't had a GP(Family Doctor) for over a decade - but NEVER denied care for even the simplest ailment.

I live in a small town where the aging population (I'm part of that) has strained our GPs to the point where they cannot take any more patients -

BUT they all take turns covering our emergency ward sort of like a clinic - larger towns/cities have permanent clinics - sometime you might have to wait an hour or so, but our triage system makes certain that the more serious ailments get taken care of first.

If you go in for a painful ingrown toenail, you may have to wait many hours while Doctors and nurses take care of burns, broken bones, heart pain, etc., BUT YOU WILL GET YOUR TOENAIL TAKEN CARE OF!

Heck, I even got an ambulance ride in minutes just for severe diarrhea, so bad I figured I wouldn't make the 5 mile drive without shitting myself, and certainly was not going to call a cab or a friend to shit their vehicle up.

I was diagnosed quickly, vitals and blood work done, then x-rays (in video mode no less) - given some medication, and fed a good meal 3 hours later, observed for 2 hours then sent home.

My cost - NOT ONE DIME - well, except fr the cab ride home - $10.

The meal and meds were worth more than that . . .

On the dog thing Chrissy - YA GOTTA PAY BIG BUCKS FOR THAT - doh!

And either your sister-in-law is as dumb as Chrissy, or that story is just baloney.

By the way, our healthcare is funded through taxes on our paychecks, of which I have had none (paychecks) for over 5 years - Welfare, then a small pension - -

I'm covered the same as anyone else.

Dis be Canada, Chrissy - -

you be

CC

Packerowner740

(676 posts)
57. Why do TV or movie stars, current or past their prime think they know what they are talking about
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:25 PM
Oct 2013

When it comes to matters like these?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
59. Cool story
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:44 PM
Oct 2013
My sister-in-law had to wait two months to get a General Practitioner. During this period she spent her days in bed vomiting continuously, unable to get any food or drink down because she couldn’t get an appointment with the doctor. When she finally did, the doctor said, “Oh you don’t need me, you need a specialist.” That took another two weeks until she got a pill that corrected the problem.


Of course, summers does count on her marks ignorance

bullwinkle428

(20,662 posts)
60. Im guessing Stephanie Miller won't be having her back on the show!
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:49 PM
Oct 2013

She made a number of guest appearances, usually hawking her latest book. I swear her last appearance wasn't more than 2 weeks ago.

Zambero

(9,990 posts)
64. Hey Chrissy! Don't use the thighmaster with complex yoga exercises
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:44 AM
Oct 2013

Getting your empty noggin thighmastered will result in delusional thought processes, absent the thought part in your instance.

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PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
67. A friend of mine
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 10:47 AM
Oct 2013

in his 70s recently got very sick. He had a UTI and treated it with cranberry juice and other "natural" remedies. Well, it got worse, and he ended up with toxemia. Sorry, but I don't mess around when I'm feeling like shit.

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