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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:51 PM Oct 2013

Jake Tapper BUSTS Dick Cheney on His ‘DEFICITS DON'T MATTER’ Comment




The Art Of Stacking Sh*t Ten Feet High...........




Jake Tapper has gone rogue since moving to CNN. He busted the Benghazi email lies this summer and today his interview with former Vice President Dick Cheney was aired, in which he challenged Cheney on his “deficits don’t matter” comment. Cheney told former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill that “(Ronald) Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter.” Tapper wondered how Cheney squared that with deficit concerns now. Cheney responded to Tapper’s question by saying that the Bush administration was running surpluses at the time. From CNN:



Cheney said at the time he made that comment about the former President, the administration was running surpluses, and they were trying to determine whether they could – like Reagan – run a deficit in order to build up military capability.
“I’m not opposed, under certain circumstances, to running deficits,” said Cheney.
“The debt is another problem. And we’ve gotten to the point now, where especially because of entitlement programs, but because there really hasn’t been much done by way of trying to restrain spending, when we have, you know, trillion-dollar deficits every year,” said Cheney.


Hmmm. That’s a lot of not true. Tapper stepped up with some reality. He pointed out that economists look at the data and in addition to “entitlements”, they blame things that happened under Bush and Cheney for the deficit, “such as funding the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, the Medicare prescription drug benefit, and tax cuts.”


Cheney pooh-poohed that away because you see, it was necessary for our security (remember the days when anything was justified by invoking “security” but these days Republicans defund Libya and then investigate when it goes wrong). Cheney said, “In terms of what we had to spend with respect to the aftermath of 9/11, setting up security systems, TSA, Homeland Security and so forth, we thought that was a necessary and legitimate expense. We did it because we believed it was important to do and, still do.”


Or, “deficits don’t matter”? Yes. That’s what he’s trying to say.


Cheney won’t take responsibility for the unfunded Medicare Part D – he dumped that on Bush, and why shouldn’t we believe that Dick Cheney wanted nothing to do with Medicare Part D. It helped people and as such is an “entitlement” program.


“But how were the programs paid for?” CNN wondered.


Cheney hemmed and hawed his away around but the bottom line is it was not paid for. He claimed they tried to pay for it but mean people would not let them take away Social Security, so, “We were totally unsuccessful,” Cheney admitted to Tapper.


Oh, a speck of truth. Cherish this moment people because it didn’t last long. Cheney also claimed that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars “were paid for. The funds were appropriated.”


Oh really?

http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/28/dick-cheney-on-latest-nsa-disclosure-you-never-know-what-youre-going-to-need-when-you-need-it/




David Leonhardt of the New York Times disagrees:



He started a very expensive war in Iraq, and even apart from the debate about whether that war was a good idea, he clearly didn’t pay for the war. He didn’t even put it in his budget in the main way they budgeted, so he didn’t really even pretend to pay for it.

“And the combination of the tax cuts, the war in Iraq, Medicare Part D and some other things meant that he essentially did not run the government as if it needed to make its payments over the long term. He ran it as if it was fine to have a huge deficit.”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tentrillion/themes/bush.html




Clive Cook of the Financial Times (via PBS) added, “But it had huge implications for deficits. Any fiscally responsible administration would’ve attended to that. And if you were going to cut taxes as much as they did, at the very least you would’ve tried very hard to squeeze down on the spending side, so the deficit didn’t run out of control. And they failed to do that.”


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Jake Tapper BUSTS Dick Cheney on His ‘DEFICITS DON'T MATTER’ Comment (Original Post) Segami Oct 2013 OP
Shorter Cheney: "Deficits matter only when Republicans aren't in office." ( n/t ) Make7 Oct 2013 #1
+1 KeepItReal Oct 2013 #6
Accurate. n/t Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #13
Exactly. Well said...nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #14
"....The truth is that Bush cut taxes for the rich and increased spending tremendously... Segami Oct 2013 #2
That is what Republicans always do, and then they blame the next Democratic president Samantha Oct 2013 #8
LIAR LIAR spanone Oct 2013 #3
Running a surplus at the time? BeyondGeography Oct 2013 #4
Yeah they were running surpluses of cocaine across the border and past the SS. cui bono Oct 2013 #5
LOL! Segami Oct 2013 #7
Glad you liked it! cui bono Oct 2013 #10
How come Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2013 #9
Yeah, I was thinking "where has Cheney been" just last month... tofuandbeer Oct 2013 #12
Important to note, Cheney claims surpluses during Bush years and $T deficits now ffr Oct 2013 #11
He should have died in a prison cell by now.......nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #15
What surpluses? JHB Oct 2013 #16
K & R Scurrilous Oct 2013 #17
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
2. "....The truth is that Bush cut taxes for the rich and increased spending tremendously...
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:05 AM
Oct 2013
...Dick Cheney knew what they were doing and they didn’t care. They ran up the tab like drunken frat boys with daddy’s credit card. In fact, “Bush was the only American president to fail to increase taxes to pay for a foreign war launched on his watch.” No problem, because they just stuck Obama with the bill and then spent the next five years concern trolling the deficit they created and blaming Obama for it.

Estimates come in at $3.7 trillion and counting for the wars, when factoring in the long-term costs of caring for the wounded and the families of those killed. Some estimates are as high as $4.4 trillion...."

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
8. That is what Republicans always do, and then they blame the next Democratic president
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:30 AM
Oct 2013

Jake Tapper did pretty well in his questioning, but I wish he would have asked if both wars were paid for why the need to keep 10.5 Trillion Dollars in debt off the general ledger....

Sam

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
4. Running a surplus at the time?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:12 AM
Oct 2013

He should have had his left pinky in the corner of his mouth when he said that.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
9. How come
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 01:46 AM
Oct 2013

we're seeing such a rash of LIARS on the teevee these days? Cheney, Rove, Greenspan, Cruz - resurrected vampires all.

tofuandbeer

(1,314 posts)
12. Yeah, I was thinking "where has Cheney been" just last month...
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:57 AM
Oct 2013

and then "TAH DAH!"
But I see him as the problem with the GOP: it's like watching a college football team use the same plays they used for 20 years, and can't figure out why they are getting the socks beat off 'em.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
11. Important to note, Cheney claims surpluses during Bush years and $T deficits now
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 02:34 AM
Oct 2013

Yes, Cheney, thank you for crediting Bill Clinton with gifting your administration (GWB) $5.6T - $5.7T estimated surpluses had you done nothing to the tax code after Jan 20, 2001. Those were the CBO forecasts, that laid it out that the total public debt would be $0.00 by 2009, again, had you and GWB done nothing but sit in the WH on your thumbs. But instead, not only did we not see total public debt dwindle to $0.00, but instead, we find it landed at a whopping $10.6T in the red.

That's all you Cheney. That's all owned by the GOP, Republicans and your supposed fiscal conservatism. WHAT A JOKE you are. Then sit there all smug like speaking of the $ trillion deficits that concern you. Well, well, well. In fact, Obama may have the below $600 million this year, you phucking turd!

JHB

(37,158 posts)
16. What surpluses?
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 06:43 AM
Oct 2013

The only Bush year there was a surplus was 2001, and that only because his tax cuts hadn't taken effect yet. All seven other years were deficits, and big ones.

All he and his pals care about is cutting their own taxes and gutting anything that gets in their way, like programs that help ordinary people.

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