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[Pretzel_Warrior]

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[RobertEarl]

1. After all your trolling for spying love, you post this?

You were all for the spying and the Libertarians were against it.

Now even Feinstein, the spying heroine, has become a Libertarian and you have the gall to question people standing up for liberty?

Twisted up like a Pretzel, aren't you?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

3. That's your response? Where are my threads where I advocate for what the NSA is doing

Hoovering up vast amounts of our communications just because they can?

And what is your point? Libertarians don't want the EPA, Department of Education or food inspectors but at least with Libertarians we wouldn't have government spying? You'd also have unlimited corporate spying on you and sale of that information to anyone.

[RobertEarl]

4. You deny you advocated for the spying?

really?

[Pretzel_Warrior]

6. Yes. Why would I want my emails, cell phone calls, etc. Saved by the government?

I've committed no crimes. I have no reason to think I should be under investigation. So the government shouldn't be hauling in my data along with millions of other Americans' "just in case".

Did I direct people to information I was reading about meta data and think that is not the same thing as spying? Yes I did. As did others. But when it becomes apparent that a lot more than that is going on, I think a lot of Americans flipped from passive disinterest to "WTF?!" as per the polling data.

[pnwmom]

10. There is a critical difference between someone who believes in civil liberties --

as all progressives do -- and someone who believes in libertarianism, which at its heart is an anti-progessive economic policy.

Feinstein will never be a Libertarian no matter what she says in support of civil liberties.

[Puzzledtraveller]

33. PW loves The Party

[applegrove]

2. Yeah, what is up with all the pro libertarian

threads? Do libertarians and gopers want to knock off a few anarchists and marajuana enthusiasts from voting democratic? I'm sure they do.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

7. I believe that is the idea. They say reading Ayn Rand while high is a hoot.

[hobbit709]

26. Reading Ayn Rand while high is the best sleeping pill ever.

But then reading Ayn Rand at any time is the best sleeping pill ever.

[Southside]

47. Very funny

Ayn Rand is a diety for some of these folks.

[BluegrassStateBlues]

5. They ignored my thread about the Third Way being pissed off at Obama...

for not starting enough wars in the Middle East.

That would fuck up their version of the truth.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

8. I think Obama is learning about NSA spying this year along with the rest of us

And I bet he is playing it cool and letting these revelations eat the monster rather than try to take on the giant political power and entrenched thinking of NSA/CIA/FBI from just the executive. We shall see.

[BluegrassStateBlues]

9. He's full of surprise endings when it comes to the big issues,

so you are probably right.

[Jesus Malverde]

11. President Obama gets a daily presidential briefing.

This briefing is a summary of intelligence reports, largely composed of signal intercepts.

[BluegrassStateBlues]

12. On the information. Not the methods. nt

[Jesus Malverde]

38. Seems like you've read the PDB's...right?..nt

[Pretzel_Warrior]

13. It's a "briefing" not a slog through everything.

[BluegrassStateBlues]

15. Wouldn't that be called a "longing"

[demwing]

28. clever /nt

[Union Scribe]

23. Why bother posting in your threads

You just delete them when you contradict yourself later.

[hootinholler]

30. BWAHAHAHA

Yeah, I was going to suggest everyone has him on ignore.

[hrmjustin]

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[Autumn]

56. No more self deletes. Thanks EarlG

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[ZombieHorde]

14. I have seen some pro social libertarian threads,

but I haven't seen the pro Libertarian Party threads. I am not saying they're not here, I am just saying I have not seen them.

I like social/civil libertarianism, but I am strongly against the Libertarian Party. That said, I have no problems with Democrats working with the Libertarians on issues I agree with, such as ending the war on drugs, but that doesn't mean I will ever vote for the Libertarian Party.

[SunSeeker]

18. Believing in "social liberties" does not make you a Libertarian.

Believing in civil liberties does not make you a Libertarian, any more than being liberal makes you a Libertarian. Dems believe in civil liberties, like choice, marriage equality, etc. Rand Paul does not believe in either.

[NuclearDem]

32. That doesn't seem to stop a segment of people here from screaming "Libertarian!"

Despite being told exactly what you said constantly.

[SunSeeker]

41. By the same token, being against the NSA does not make you a progressive.

Particularly the trolls who come here to flog Obama, but were nowhere to be heard when Bush set up the programs they are now railing against.

Libertarians are against the NSA because they think government should have no power. Of course, neutering government allows the the rich to abuse working people and the environment, unfettered by regulators and without recourse by their victims. Yeah, they don't want the government storing your meta data. But they are fine with you being a corporation's serf.

[BlueCaliDem]

51. ^^^This!^^^ eom

[Bonobo]

16. Why post Meta crap? nt

[Luminous Animal]

17. So we can all be very suspicious of each other.

[joshcryer]

19. You started it!

I hope I don't have the urge to post about how much I hate Libertarians tomorrow. They were fundamental to my becoming a socialist because of their lies and deceit.

[BluegrassStateBlues]

20. Me too.

I still cringe when I come across the old photo of me with a bumper sticker that reads, "Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul" plastered across my laptop.

[Luminous Animal]

21. I started nothing. I find the constant "warnings" to DUers insulting to

our intelligence. And disgusting that long time DUers are being accused of being libertarians.

I find the hysteria far out of proportion to the influence that libertarian ideology has on this board.

[joshcryer]

24. The Libertarians are certainly, almost 100%, driving the narrative.

It's not that the Libertarian Party has "influence" so much that their ideas are legitimized, to me. They are illegitimate, vile, utterly despicable capitalists... if we followed their corrupt ideology we'd look like Somalia.

[Kolesar]

27. the hysteria far out of proportion to the influence that libertarian ideology has on this board

And that is where we are now, in 2013
very impressive /sarcasm

[Union Scribe]

22. If by "this" you mean your thread

then I agree. But it's not like that wasn't the point right?

[Fumesucker]

25. I've only got one destination

[morningfog]

29. Link?

[NuclearDem]

31. While some are just openly trolling.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

34. If you're referring to me? I don't think it's trolling to say

That it is bizarre that the community is ok with open discussion around "why are you afraid of Libertarians" and an attempts to say Democrats are working with Libertarians in Congress so why can't we champion Libertarians on DU.

I find it against the goals of DU and Democrats but that's just me.

[Tanuki]

35. Based on the level of defensiveness in this thread, I would say you hit a nerve. n/t

[SidDithers]

37. +1...nt

Sid

[BlueCaliDem]

53. Yep. He sure did.

[whatchamacallit]

36. Link please

[Bluenorthwest]

39. All the Meta posts of late remind me why the admins got rid of Meta.

nt

[grantcart]

42. As a former host of GD I am astonished at the logic that would allow this thread.

If this isn't whining about DU then I would find it difficult to find any that are sans "I am whining about DU" titled threads.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. There are still 'hosts'? I assumed that had been ended since there are so many Meta

threads.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

45. Feel free to chat with your friends and have it locked

If this bothers everyone so much.

[grantcart]

49. I found the interference of non hosts unhelpful at the time.

If you are not complaining about a trend at DU what would you classify it as?


If you think that this post is OK then you can't raise an objection to one that comments on a Meta thread that you disagree with.

I actually agree with the content of your OP but not the methodology.


If you have a problem with a particular thread then make it in the thread but let's not open the door to wide open Meta discussions that consist chiefly of whining about other DUers.


You could contribute to that by locking the thread.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

50. I may do that. But this site is driving me bonkers

The constant Obama hate and Libertarian love is SOOO FUCKING obvious. Most of these people posting that shit destroy the meaning and purpose of this site.

[SidDithers]

52. They Hosting system is completely dysfunctional...

especially in GD. Might as well eliminate the SOP completely, and officially make GD a free-for-all.

That's what it is anyway.

Sid

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. Not to mention Vegetarian, Presbyterian, and Kittenarian Love.

[Logical]

46. Your posts always make me laugh. Not in a good way! nt

[Capt. Obvious]

48. Are you looking to add to your collection of hidden posts?

This is a poor yet valiant effort. I get it 5.2.

Try harder.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

54. are you saying that we are not supposed to work with each other?

[Comrade Grumpy]

57. Speaking of trolling...

Some posters seem consistently combative, snarky, and aggressive. Know what I mean?